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More on Federal Power Over Immigration and James Madison's Report of 1800
My response to Rob Natelson's argument that Madison's Report is largely irrelevant to the constitutional debate over immigration.

In a recent post at the Originalism Blog, legal scholar Rob Natelson criticizes me for relying on James Madison's Report of 1800 to support the conclusion that the original meaning of the Constitution does not give the federal government a general power to restrict immigration. Natelson contends that the Report has little relevance to the original meaning of the Constitution, and that it doesn't really address the issue of immigration restriction, in any event. In this post, I continue the discussion by respond to Natelson. I think he's wrong on both points.
Natelson's post is the latest contribution to an ongoing debate that began with my post critiquing conservative arguments claiming that illegal immigration qualifies as an "invasion" under under relevant provisions of the Constitution, and thereby empowers federal and state governments to use military force to prevent it. Andrew Hyman, one of those I criticized in that post, responded to me in a post I put up (with his permission) here at the VC blog. I posted a rejoinder in that same post. In both of my posts, I highlighted the passage in the Report of 1800 where Madison denies that immigration qualifies as "invasion" and therefore denies that the Alien Acts of 1798 (and federal immigration restrictions generally) were authorized by the invasion provisions of the Constitution.
While my exchange with Hyman was mostly focused on the "invasion" issue, Natelson broadens the focus by considering the more general relevance of the Report of 1800. He contends that the Report has little relevance for modern debates over federal power over immigration because "it was primarily directed at deportation, and a closer reading of this passage shows Madison was discussing only deportation, not immigration per se." I already addressed this point in some detail in my rejoinder to Hyman, where I pointed out that the Alien Friends Act of 1798 (which Madison, in the Report, argued was unconstitutional in its entirety) actually went far beyond mere deportation authority.
Much the same response applies to Natelson's claim that Madison's argument applies only to aliens who entered the United States legally. The whole point of Madison's position is that the federal government lacked the power to bar the entry of foreigners from countries not at war with the United States. Natelson may well be right to suggest that Madison's position would still allow the US to bar individuals engaged in armed hostilities against the US, even if they were citizens of countries whose governments were not at war with the US government. But merely crossing a border in contravention of a US law does not constitute such - especially if that law were a federal law that Madison denied to be constitutional in the first place. I covered these issues in some detail in my earlier posts addressing the "invasion" issue and Hyman's arguments.
Natelson also makes a more general argument against relying on the Report to shed light on the text and original meaning of the Constitution, based on the fact that it was written a decade after ratification:
There are all sorts of reasons why post-ratification statements are generally useless for showing ratification-era understanding. Here are some:
* Memories fade.
* Ratification-era participants who might have contradicted those statements often were not around to do so: When the 1800 Report was published, such leading participants in the constitutional debates as Benjamin Franklin, Patrick Henry, George Mason, Roger Sherman, Melancton Smith, and George Washington were all dead. John Rutledge was still alive, but suffering from mental illness. Rufus King was abroad. And so forth.
* Incentives change. The same person who, when presenting the Constitution to the public in 1788, had an incentive to characterize the federal government's powers one way, often had an incentive to characterize them differently later on. By way of illustration, the difference is great between Alexander Hamilton's constitutional arguments in Federalist No. 16 (prior to ratification) and in his Report on Manufactures (after ratification).
* Alliances change. In particular, they changed dramatically after the first session of the First Federal Congress, as the case of Madison illustrates: Prior to that time, he was allied with Hamilton. After that time, he was allied with Thomas Jefferson.
* Context and language change.
Using Madison's 1800 Report to show the understanding of the ratifiers a decade earlier is subject to all of those objections.
If this is correct, it invalidates not only the use of the Report of 1800 to shed light on constitutional meaning, but the use of any post-ratification material. Thus, judges, historians, legal scholars, and others are wrong to rely on 1790s debates over the Bank of the United States, the assumption of state debts, the use of foreign affairs powers in US relations with Britain, and France, and much else. The same goes for extensive judicial and scholarly reliance on Reconstruction-era evidence to shed light on the meaning of the Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendment. A high percentage of what we know (or at least think we know) about the original meaning of the Constitution would have to be rejected.
Some of Natelson's concerns here are reasonable. For example, it is true that memories fade and that politicians might opportunistically shift positions in response to new political circumstances and alliances. But I don't think this counsels total or near-total rejection of post-ratification material. The latter is simply too valuable to reject entirely. In many situations - including this one - it gives extensive evidence of understanding of constitutional meaning by the very people who drafted and ratified the provisions in question, often even addressing issues similar to those that led the Constitution (or a given amendment) to be enacted in the first place.
James Madison's views on federal power over immigration are a dramatic example. He was clearly one of the most important drafters of the Constitution, as well as a key participant in the ratification process. And, while it is true that some framers and ratifiers had died by 1800, the audience he wrote the Report of 1800 for included large numbers of people who well remembered the framing and ratification and could be expected to object if they thought Madison got it wrong.
Instead of wholesale rejection, we should - on a case-by-case basis consider whether a given post-ratification statement, whether by Madison or anyone else, is likely to be a product of later political shifts or not. In this case, the answer is probably not. Madison's denial that the federal government had power to exclude "alien friends" is entirely consistent with positions he took during the ratification debates, such as his rejection, in Federalist 42, of claims that the the Migration or Importation Clause of the Constitution (which prevented Congress from barring the "migration or importation of such Persons as any of the States now existing shall think proper to admit" until 1808) implied that Congress otherwise had a general power to "prevent voluntary and beneficial emigrations" (as opposed to restricting the slave trade and the migration of indentured servants). Madison's position here would make little sense if, in fact, he believed that Congress had a general power to exclude migrants anytime it wanted, subject to limitations that would expire in 1808.
Natelson argues that Madison had shifted alliances from Hamilton to Jefferson between ratification and 1800. But, while Madison and Hamilton were allied in seeking ratification of the Constitution, Madison and Jefferson were also close political allies in the 1780s, and always had far more in common on both constitutional and political issues than either had with Hamilton. At any rate, Madison never endorsed the constitutionality of federal restrictions on the migration of "alien friends" and his position on this issue is a natural outgrowth of his generally narrow interpretation of federal power from the ratification debates onwards.
Much more can be said about these issues. Among other things, the "invasion" rationale for immigration restrictions is just one of several that has been advanced to justify federal power over immigration. I discussed many of the others here, and am in the process of working on a much more in-depth academic treatment of these issues. In the present exchange with Hyman and Natelson, I hope only to explain why the invasion theory is flawed, and why Madison's Report both supports that position, and is a relevant and valuable source of evidence.
I thank both Natelson and Hyman for their thoughtful contributions to this debate, and for pushing me to elaborate further on some of the issues involved.
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If the PRC settled upon a policy of sending (tens of) millions of regime loyalists as civilians into the the USA illegally (simply in order for them to live there, and eventually vote there, not to engage in acts of sabotage, spying, etc) would that count as an ‘invasion’?
Imagine if China purchased all tickets for literally all international flights entering into the USA in 2024 (from everywhere on the globe) for its citizens, sent thousands of civilian ships packed with Chinese nationals to drop them off on the West coast (and repeated this shipping process all year), and send millions into Mexico solely in to cross the border by foot illegally into the USA. Let’s further imagine that, over the course of sustaining this policy for a couple of years, China is able to send 30-40 million nationals into the continental USA. Upon arrival, every such Chinese national would declare a desire for political asylum and a path towards US citizenship, and express a fear of political reprisal and torture if returned to China.
What would the scope of the US federal government’s power be to turn all such people away from airports, ports, back to Mexico, etc, immediately without need for some administrative tribunals?
What if there were a Chinese regime loyalist under every bed in the US? That would be very scary!
The Chinese government wouldn't have police stations here to keep their people in line if they thought the Chinese already here were that loyal. Buying large numbers of international flight tickets would drive the price up and eventually increase the supply, and they'd still need visas to come here. Illegal immigration would be difficult to ramp up with nobody noticing and reacting to it, and it's clear that Congress could change relevant laws.
If that's "clear", shouldn't you point out why that's clear to to Ilya Somin, since his post is declaring that Congress has no power to make laws regulating immigration?
Based on actual laws and practice in the present day versus argument over an 1800 report?
Don't be stupid or facetious: millions of people enter your country every year illegally and you let them stay. Indeed, your legal system has a double standard for those who require visas and those who don't.
I would like to thank Ilya Somin for establishing beyond a doubt that the Federal government was never given the power to regulate immigration, and thus the several states have retained that portion of the general police power and can expel any non-citizens they choose, regardless of any Federal law purporting to give the immigrants the right to live in the United States.
Yes, it's pretty amazing that Somin never addresses the 10th amendment implications of his stance.
This occurred to me while I was reading it. Whether the Federal government had a power or not was in the context of it overriding states. They used to ponder stuff like this, you know.
It's not like the 10th amendment doesn't regularly get pointed out to him, or he's unaware of the existence of the 10th amendment.
He actually invokes it to defend sanctuary cities against federal intervention. But he never seems to consider it when states WANT to restrict immigration. It's only applicable, apparently, when they want to undermine federal efforts to restrict it.
It's a conspicuous hole in his arguments, one he seems unable to bring himself to address, only evade.
Remember when Republicans fought for Elian Gonzalez to remain with his American kidnappers instead of his father?? I will never forget.
“…to remain with his American kidnappers…”
Apparently you are relying on us to forget that neither Elian Gonzalez’ mother nor her partner (his "kidnappers") were American.
...and you are of course ignoring the fact that Somin's argument implies that that bitch Janet Reno should have had no role is sending Gonzalez back to Castro.
A parent can be a kidnapper in America—once the court rules then you have to comply with the ruling…even if you are a family of Cuban nuts that came to America illegally. You apparently sided with kidnappers over a child’s father…wow! But at least you got 8 years of Bush/Cheney and gays can’t get married and health care reform was never implemented and the economy boomed through 2008. Oh wait, everything you feared in 2004 happened even though Bush won his re-election.
"A parent can be a kidnapper in America"
True but irrelevant. The parent in question wasn't American and so would not be an "American kidnapper" in any case.
OK, but if you can't get "Political Asylum" from Literal Fidel-Error-Fucking-Castro-Cuber what the fuck??
Generally parents get to decide what is best for their children…not Jeb! Bush.
Bill! Clinton was POTUS in 2000, Idiot.
And Elian Gonzalez's "Madre" was dead, (drowned attempting to leave the "Worker's Paradise" of Cuber (You go live there, you Fuck)
OK, Elian did pretty well, "In July 2016, he received a degree in industrial engineering from the University of Matanzas, and read a letter to Fidel Castro from his graduating class, vowing "to fight from whatever trench the revolution demands"."
He's making $5,000 year Amurican (thats alot of "Dolores" in Cuber)
Frank
Clinton correctly allowed the legal process to decide the issue…Republicans like the Bush family were the party advocating for the kidnappers over the father. But then you cheered Bush on when he was sending American fathers to get blown up in Iraq…but at least two gay dudes can’t get married so it all worked out.
In my reality-based world Elian Gonzalez' mother wasn't a kidnapper even if all the Castro-worshipping wokesters infesting the US bench declare otherwise. But, hey, if you want to sign your brains over to them it's not like anyone has either lost or gained anything of value.
What about from the PRC?
What about from Putin?
Yeah, and instead of getting an Amurican Ed-jew-ma-cation, perhaps going to University of Florida, South Florida, Florida State, Florida Atlantic, University of Miami, getting an ROTC Scholarship, or perhaps attending one of the Military Academies, (rather go to Gainesville myself) and today he'd be flying F-16's/F-22's maybe in line for Squadron Commander,
He's Insane and Penniless in Habana (Did I say that "Woke" "Habana"??)
OK, maybe he's a Neurosurgeon at Habana Heneral (Did I say that right? "Habana Heneral"??)
Best part was the Clinton-Error ICE Agents kicking down the doors armed with Full Auto M-16's (I'd tell you how to recognize the full auto (Selector, Selector, and the hole for the Auto Sear) but then I'd have to kill you)
Seriously, you're even more stew-pid than the actual Sam Bankman-Fried
Frank "Loves Cubans, especially Cojibas"
How would you deal with kidnappers?? Guns are used 100% of the time. Are you one of those people that pees their panties at the sight of a gun?? I know Ronald Reagan peed his panties when he saw scary Black men carrying guns.
Thank AlGore for your shitty excuse of a life.
The only thing of consequence Bush did was appoint Alito and he didn’t even want to do that. Bush delayed a few things like Obamacare but in the end what Democrats wanted in 2000 they got by 2010. I opposed the Iraq War and so it doesn’t bother me…it was totally pointless and cost 4500 of our best and brightest and $3 trillion.
The concept of staying on subject is completely alien to scatterbrained you.
There is a more fundamental reason why neither the original meaning of the federal government’s power to restrict immigration, nor its meaning in 1800, has any relevance to today.
The federal government’s power to restrict immigration did not come into existence until 1809. Only the post-1809 meaning is relevant to today.
...?
I'm going to "enjoy" an explanation of this, I'm sure.
The Constitution provides:
A plain-language reading of the "Migration or Importation Clause" is that Congress cannot restrict the slave trade or immigration prior to 1808. The natural implication would be that it CAN restrict both after that date.
And, of course, Madison's 1800 report came before 1808, so it is hardly shocking that he would treat Congress as lacking that power.
Check out ChatBox:
The term “free state” in the Second Amendment refers to the states that were part of the newly formed United States of America, which were free from British rule and had their own independent governments. The Second Amendment was added to the United States Constitution in 1791, shortly after the American Revolution, and was intended to protect the right of the people to keep and bear arms in order to maintain a well-regulated militia. The language of the Second Amendment has been the subject of much debate and interpretation over the years, with some arguing that it protects an individual’s right to own firearms for personal use, while others argue that it only protects the right to bear arms in the context of a well-regulated militia.
I'm not sure why you keep spamming threads that don't even have to do with the 2nd amendment with this comment.
I’ve been teaching AI about the Second Amendment. So now whenever any kid writes a paper about the Second Amendment my views will end up in their papers and not Volokh’s.
Does AI read Reason comments? That's a scary thought...
I actually think it might. AI knows more about the 2A than Volokh probably because it reads my comments.
Your 2A mania doesn't explain your injection of your other manias (e.g., about Elian Gonzalez) into this thread. And, no, AI doesn't "know" anything, and its responses will be unaffected by your attempts to raise the level of the oceans by peeing on us here. Get over yourself.
Congress clearly has had the power to regulate slave trafficking since 1808. Why does that imply a corresponding power to regulate immigration of free people?
Because the very same clause that gave it power to regulate the “importation” of chattel slaves also gave it the power to regulate the “migration” of free people. Importation is something done to an object. Migration is something people do (or seek to do) of their own accord.
Of course the power to prohibit or regulate importation doesn’t imply a power to prohibit or regulate migration. That’s why the constitution expressly granted both separate powers.
Immigration is, after all, merely in-migration, migration in. It’s migration! The power to regulate “migration” is directly granted by the constitution. It’s what the text says.
By similar argument, the constitutional rule was only that Congress couldn't prohibit migration or importation until 1808 -- not that Congress couldn't regulate it through lesser restrictions, except for the cap on an importation tax. In that case, an 1800 report would be relevant.
"such Persons ... the States ... shall think proper to admit, ...."
Regarding the power after 1808, just about any regulation can be framed as a conditional prohibition. Immigration of people who aren’t or don’t have or don’t do X, Y, or Z is prohibited. In general, the greater power to prohibit carries with it the lesser power to regulate.
"It’s what the text says."
Yeah, but do you think Somin considers that important?
“Why does that imply a corresponding power to regulate immigration of free people?”
Nothing in the clause, quoted by F.D.Wolf above, restricts its application to slave trafficking.
Indeed, the fact that it applies to migration and not just importation says the exact opposite.
What ReaderY said is silly. That Congress could not restrict the power OF STATES (bookmark that -- THAT is where the power was understood to exist, unrestricted until 1809, and restricted thereafter only to the extent Congress chose to do so) to restrict immigration or migration before 1809 does not mean that the meaning of a provision adopted in 1789 only sprung into existence in 1809. The meaning in 1789 governs.
This also seems to suggest states could control their own immigration. Why would it be an issue if the feds could interfere, if the states had no power to be interfered with?
Somin actually wrote on that in 2016. At least at the time, he opined that the word "migration" there was not in reference to immigration as it was thought of at the time:
https://reason.com/volokh/2016/04/19/why-the-migration-or-importati/
I’m not at all convinced.
It’s very common, well-established, for legislation, when (let’s say) giving a tax break to an individual or corporation, to use a form of euphemism that describes things in general-sounding terms rather than referring specifically to the individual or entity. A corporation engaged in auto manufacturing incorporated jn 1929, let’s say.
But if there happens to be another corporation engaged in auto manufacturing incorporated in 1929, it gets the tax break. It just doesn’t matter if Congress actually had a specific corporation in mind but didn’t want to say so so it generalized as a euphemism. Its decision to generalize, and what it generalized to, is as much part of its intent as the specific thing it generalized from.
So here. The Framers’ decision to use general rather than specific terms means that what they wrote gets a general and not a specific meaning. Their decision to use general rather than specific terms is as much a part of their intent as the more specific thing they may have had in mind. What they generalized to is as much part of the meaning of what they wrote, what they intended, as what they generalized from.
Somin's position that the Constitution does not give the federal government the power to regulate immigration is not exactly a mainstream position. I am unaware of any jurist or prominent scholar that agrees with him (though there may be some). He reads too much into the passages he cites in support of his view that the words "migration or" are artful surplusage. Slavery was the dark cloud that hung over the entire convention, and naturally ranked high above immigration as a matter of concern. Frankly, I find the idea that the Framers set about to create the first nation in history that could not regulate immigration to be absurd.
If James Madison was the most influential delegate at the Convention, then James Wilson was the second. Here is Wilson at the Pennsylvania ratifying convention:
So, Wilson obviously felt the clause dealt with both the importation of slaves and free immigration, as did the delegate to whom he was responding.
And here is Charles Pinckney, another influential Convention delegate, on the House floor in 1820:
So, PERHAPS some of the Founders shared Somin's interpretation of the clause, but certainly not all or even most of them, nor even a sizable minority, as far as I can ascertain.
This post was intended as a response to JJJSSS above.
To say the least.
An honest reading of the Report of 1800 would have to admit that it was not an impartial scholarly analysis of the constitution, but a partisan brief intended to support the Virginia Resolutions and tear down the Alien and Sedition Acts. It was part of a campaign that included Mr. Jefferson's Kentucky Resolutions, which similarly threw up a bunch of arguments its author thought might carry the immediate goal. Among those arguments was the claim that, because the constitution only specifically granted Congress the power "to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies, and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations, and no other crimes, whatsoever." So if we're going to follow Madison and Jefferson, we should be prepared to toss out most of Title 18 of the U.S. Code.
In fact, one of the Kentucky Resolutions of 1798 specifically alleges that the Alien Acts are unconstitutional insofar as they operate as a prohibition on migration before 1808, in direct contravention of the Migration or Importance Clause:
(The emphasis on the word "migration" appears in the original.)
I found this rather breathtaking:
"But I don't think this counsels total or near-total rejection of post-ratification material. The latter is simply too valuable to reject entirely."
Look, if you have objective reason to doubt whether a source is accurate, that the source is "valuable" is simply irrelevant. What Somin has engaged in here is the very heart of motivated reasoning. It's not much different from somebody choosing to believe that email really is from a prince of Nigeria, because there's a lot of money in the offing if it's legit.
If the source isn't reliable, the cost of using it, being misled, rises in exact proportion to the value of using it, getting things right. So the value has no bearing on whether you should trust it!
Natelson's considerations don't justify completely ignoring the report, but it's value isn't anything like justification for discounting his concerns. What's needed is appropriate weighting against other sources. And the value if true has no bearing on that weighting.
Pre-ratification statements should always be taken as more reliable, not just because they're better evidence, but because they're evidence of what the people were being TOLD it meant, and the people deserve to get what they were TOLD they were getting. We don't want to reward efforts at a bait and switch.
Are we seriously going to rely on Mr. Madison's Report of 1800 as an authoritative guide to constitutional interpretation? A report that claims that the federal judiciary might bind the other branches of the federal government, but not the individual states, "the parties to the constitutional compact, from which the judicial as well as the other departments hold their delegated trusts," and that the states have authority to determine whether the federal judiciary has exceeded its constitutional power? Good luck with that.