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Foster Parent Second Amendment Case Sent Back to Trial Court in Light of Bruen
From today's Wisconsin Court of Appeals summary disposition in Lafferty v. Amundson (decided by Justices Gundrum, Neubauer & Grogan):
Brian and Katie Lafferty appeal from a circuit court order rejecting the Laffertys' constitutional challenges to [a] Department of Children and Families Rule, which imposes certain firearm storage requirements for foster parents, as well as the Department's prohibition on foster parents from carrying weapons while in the presence of foster children.
The relevant prohibition requires, among other things, that guns generally be stored unloaded and locked; the prohibition on carrying ready-to-use firearms on one's person would presumably flow from that.
After briefing was completed in this case and while a decision was pending, the United States Supreme Court decided New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc. v. Bruen (2022), in which the Court rejected the means-end scrutiny framework the Respondents rely on in this case. Instead, Bruen said:
[W]hen the Second Amendment's plain text covers an individual's conduct, the Constitution presumptively protects that conduct. To justify its regulation, the government may not simply posit that the regulation promotes an important interest. Rather, the government must demonstrate that the regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition of firearm regulation. Only if a firearm regulation is consistent with this Nation's historical tradition may a court conclude that the individual's conduct falls outside the Second Amendment's "unqualified command."
We vacate the circuit court's order and remand for additional proceedings to allow the parties to address the Department's rule in light of Bruen and to obtain the benefit of the circuit court's decision applying the Bruen standard. On remand, the circuit court should allow the parties to engage in further discovery if necessary and permit additional briefing and/or motions addressing the framework set forth in Bruen and noted above. In doing so, the circuit court should consider the interaction of Bruen and the unconstitutional conditions doctrine. See, e.g., Rumsfeld v. Forum for Acad. & Institutional Rts., Inc., 547 U.S. 47, 59 (2006); Perry v. Sindermann, 408 U.S. 593, 597 (1972); Frost v. Railroad Comm'n of Cal., 271 U.S. 583, 593-94 (1926); Milewski v. Town of Dover, 2017 WI 79, 377 Wis. 2d 38, 899 N.W.2d 303; Madison Tchrs., Inc. v. Walker, 2014 WI 99, 358 Wis. 2d 1, 851 N.W.2d 337.
Additionally, upon remand, the circuit court should permit the parties to address whether the form the Laffertys were required to sign in this case as a condition of being foster parents, which specifically prohibits a foster parent from carrying a weapon in the presence of a foster child, constitutes an administrative rule that has not been promulgated through the rulemaking process.
For a similar recent decision by the federal Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, dealing with an Illinois regulation, see this post. The "unconstitutional conditions" analysis asks whether the government may require people to agree not to exercise their constitutional rights as a condition of participating in a government-run program (such as a foster parenting program). One might view foster parenting, for instance, as being a sort of government employee, and the government does have considerable control over what employees may or may not do on the job; on the other hand, this is an unusual form of government employment where people are "on the job" in their own homes.
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But I bet they require them to have cars which are literally killing machines! Dumb Greta won’t allow me to drive my tank to the grocery store because I’m killing the environment…fucking cunt!
That makes no sense whatsoever but FWIW so long as it is 25 years old in most states you can title and plate a tank as an antique vehicle and operate it on the road with rubber road cleats to prevent pavement damage.
Close to 20 years ago I saw a street-legal WW2 era armored vehicle for sale in my area. More of a scout car than a tank. Still scary enough to win me the right of way. At the time I had no garage.
With apologies for thread derailment, the standards linked as 'relevant prohibition' are worth a read. I tend to think of myself as pretty safety conscious, and our household would have a number of violations:
"No foster home may be maintained at any time at a temperature of less than 68° F"
We never turn our thermostat up that high. Neither did my parents. It sounds like First Degree Aggravated Global Warming to me.
"The licensee shall develop a **written** plan for the immediate and safe evacuation of the foster home in the event of a fire. ...The licensee shall review the fire safety evacuation plan with all household members at least once every 3 months"
I don't have a written plan for 'get out the nearest exit', and thus don't review it quarterly. I'm sure most readers do.
All in all, it's kind of an odd document. There are detailed requirements for riding in cars. My state has equally detailed requirements for transporting any child in your car, whether the child is your kid, a foster kid, or a random hitchhiker. Maybe Wisconsin doesn't have any kiddie seat requirements for natural children?
Similarly, there are a bunch of requirements that I would think could be replaced with 'you need to meet the building code'.
"The foster home, all other buildings and structures on the premises and all equipment and furnishings shall be maintained in a safe and proper state of repair. Broken, rundown, defective, inoperative or unsafe building parts, **furnishings** and equipment shall be promptly repaired, replaced or discarded."
I grew up in the southeast, where August afternoons could be pretty unpleasant without AC. So I would retreat to the battered, rundown couch in the unfinished basement and read. I remember reading Churchill's 6 volume history of WWII on that couch. If I had only been a foster child so my parents would have had to discard that couch, and I could have laid on the concrete instead (we actually slept on the concrete when it was really hot ... cool hard concrete beat sweating on a soft mattress).
We used to sleep on the porch to stay cool. These days the Nest just maintains 70 year round.
Sinful use of energy for mere comfort! We must go back to the natural environment and the proper use of our sweat glands! You hate the planet if you don't.
In college the authorities dutifully posted the legally required evacuation map in each of the common rooms of the floor I lived on. The map directed us to walk along the single, straight hallway in either direction until an exit was reached. We were on the first floor. In case of emergency we could have gone out the windows right next to the evacuation map. Choose any direction that doesn't lead immediately to a wall with no openings. Walk that way. You are evacuated.
" In case of emergency we could have gone out the windows"
The problem comes when you think it is a routine fire drill instead of a real fire. My high school was a very old building with several wings added on. One original wing had like 6x6 foot windows with sills a foot off the ground. In nice weather, if the teacher was distracted, kids would just step out the open windows, walk down the outside or the building, and step in the window of next period's class. It was one of those strictly forbidden but everyone does it things.
When the fire alarm rang, of course, the teacher was paying attention, so we all slowly crowded into the now overburdened (because of all the addons) narrow hallway, which bottlenecked at a pair of inward opening doors. There I was, courteously holding a door for the shoulder to shoulder, slowly shuffling crowd when there was a coughing sound and a blast of smoke came down the hallway. There was an immediate panic. I was trying to keep the door opened to the wall of the hallway, people were thumping into me, which threatened to pry me off the wall and swinging the door shut. It's a vivid memory.
We managed to keep the doors open, there were no fatalities, and ... no changes to fire drills. It was an early insight into the bureaucratic mind.
"(b) Smoke detector maintenance. The licensee shall check the operating condition of each smoke detector at least once a month and shall immediately repair or replace any unit or part of a unit found to be inoperative. For a single-station battery-operated smoke detector, the battery shall be replaced at least once each year."
Has anyone in history ever checked the operating condition of a smoke detector "once a month"?
Since Bruen was unavailable to the trial court, I understand the need for additional briefing here.
I wonder if the plaintiffs asserted that the foster care regulations impose a substantial burden on their religious exercise, in that firearms are objects of religious veneration and child sacrifices to our Moloch are mere collateral damage. https://www.nybooks.com/online/2012/12/15/our-moloch/
This is a 2nd, not 1st Amendment case.
I understand that, but pleading of alternative theories is certainly permitted.
The unconstitutional conditions doctrine would encompass multiple constitutional rights.
If the government-placed kids had the guns it could've been a 3rd amendment case.
Might it be possible that Bruen could forbid a requirement for safe gun storage as a condition of fostering a child, but also that a person who would sue to overturn a requirement for safe gun storage could on that basis be judged an unfit parent? If not, what's wrong us? If so, what's wrong with Bruen?
If Wisconsin has a general standard for keeping firearms away from children, say via locked storage, then the foster provisions are superfluous.
Might it be possible that First Amendment law could forbid a requirement that foster parents be Catholic as a condition of fostering a child, but also that a person who would sue to overturn a requirement for Catholicism could on that basis be judged an unfit parent? If not, what’s wrong (with) us? If so, what’s wrong with First Amendment Law?
Absaroka, about every 10th time you do it, I will reply to notice your propensity for subject changes via off-topic analogies. If that proves too burdensome, I will do it less frequently.
I realize that people have (appropriately ) criticized you for logorrhea in the past, but I think you are overcompensating. I suppose it is conceivable that a person should be penalized for correctly assertig their constitutional rights, but that seems pretty counterintuitive, and you probably should show your work.
No. There is nothing about safe (or unsafe) gun storage that makes someone an unfit foster parent specifically. As a matter both of justice and social policy (that is, to not disincent fostering), foster parents should be held to no higher nor lower standards than natural parents are held to.
So a race to the bottom then.
I wasn't aware that foster parents and natural parents were in a race. Or in any kind of competition at all.
I'll take "willfully misinterpreting comments" for 100, Alex.
Yes, apparently you did.
I remember many years ago now, after the initial Heller decision, when Professor Volokh was asked, in the comments, whether this decision meant guns everywhere, without any restrictions, and he responded that Scalia's limiting phrase in the decision ensured that gun craziness was not going to be upon us. Somebody should have told his fellow Second Amendment fetishists on this blog, along with all of the crazy commenters, that this was the case. From a basic right to not have your gun confiscated by the government, we now have Steven Halbrook glorifying the AR-15 killing machine, David Kopel hosanna-ing over New Jersey having to allow gun-toting anywhere and everywhere, and Professor Volokh reporting on the probable striking down of reasonable gun storage requirements around foster children in Wisconsin. Meanwhile, the gun death rate, whether by murder, suicide, accident, etc. continues to be many times what other developed countries in the world without a second amendment suffer through. That's thousands of dead people every year, to vindicate a gun fetish. It's time for the Supreme Court to reconsider its now disastrous Heller decision and go back to the common sense thought that the 2nd amendment applies to regulated state militias and does not allow negligent foster parents, mentally disturbed individuals, teenagers, ex-wife-stalkers, and others to own killing machines. Either that, or at least put some meaning into Justice Scalia's words rather than minimizing them into bloody oblivion.
Your post is so full of bad faith and bullshit that I'm not even going to respond.
What are some gun regulations that you think would exceed “common sense”?
If Hugh answers that question, he would be the first.
Common sense gun regulations would allow individuals to own a limited number of guns that have limited killing capacity. I am not expert enough on guns to tell you where that line is drawn, but it certainly doesn't include AR-15s, machine guns, sawed off shotguns, bazookas, low-yield nuclear devices (yes, taking the Holbrook/Kopel/Clarence Thomas logic to its inevitable end, the latter would be allowed). Gun owners would be required to register their weapons with their local or state government. Gun owners would be required to pass a competently-administered background check and would be required to attend training classes to get a license just as someone wanting to operate a motor vehicle is required to do. Gun owners with minors in their household would be required to keep their guns under lock and key.
Noscitur didn't ask which restrictions you were in favor of adding, he asked for examples of regulations you thought would go too far.
Why is an AR-15 more dangerous than a Ruger Mini 14? Be specific.
http://www.quora.com/How-can-a-gun-enthusiast-still-claim-their-right-to-bear-arms-is-more-important-than-public-safety/answer/Paul-Harding-14
Justice Robert Jackson, dissenting in Terminello v. Chicago, 337 U.S. 1, 37 (1949), famously observed, "There is danger that, if the Court does not temper its doctrinaire logic with a little practical wisdom, it will convert the constitutional Bill of Rights into a suicide pact."
Bruen appears to have proven him correct. The Second Amendment has now been converted into a suicide pact, or at least a homicide pact.
"Pundits, Unlike Judges, Tend to Use the 'Suicide Pact' Slogan to Defeat Civil Liberties
If judges have inverted the 'suicide pact' slogan, however, pundit[s] have hewn more closely to Jackson's original meaning. For them, the situation seems always to be so urgent that a compromise with liberty is required.
Rather than being assured that the Constitution was not designed as, and thus will not become, a suicide pact, they are constantly worried that without an immediate crackdown, it will soon morph into just such a pact. Academics invoke 'suicide pacts' in the law reviews when they want to demonstrate that they are tough-minded about hypothetical conflicts between liberty and security; editorialists do the same."
https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/the-clich-that-the-constitution-is-not-a-suicide-pact.html
By the way, it's "Terminiello." Mistakes like that can lose your client's case.
Gun control advocates have been predicting "blood in the streets" at every decision or law against them for decades. This rant is another of the same. Why, precisely, will you be right this time after being wrong so many, many times in the past?
I wonder how this will square with the courts decision that third party foster providers don’t have to comply with constitutional rights? They ruled that Catholic foster agencies could bar gay couples from fostering. I imagine that some pacifist church foster care might ban gun owners alltogether.
As a general rule private entities do not have to comply with constitutional rights. They do not have to allow freedom of speech. They are under no constitutional obligation to avoid unreasonable searches and seizures. Natural persons can choose to sleep only with other persons of a particular sex or race.
The legal question in Fulton v. Philadelphia was whether a particular city regulatory scheme violated the Catholic Church's rights. It did. The court unanimously agreed that the city was wrong. The more liberal justices may have thought the city could rewrite the ordinance to get away with anti-Catholic discrimination. The more conservative justices were dubious.
There’s a safety issue. It’s not the same thing.
A pacifist church-run foster agency could well ban gun owners - and would face no constitutional challenges for doing so. Unless, of course, the state tries to rig the game by making them the only foster agency available.
The problem is judicial bad faith. The courts rule that regulations are consistent with Bruen when so they're soi manifestly not, knowing the delay will take years, which is exactly what they want.
We once again see the problem with a gun-worshipping viewpoint unmoored from the realities of life, oblivious to the dangers faced by children at risk and the considered remedies formulated by social workers who deal with them day by day, a blog with no women in sight (at least no women with serious ideas), and the persistent likelihood that comments like this would be met with misogyny, juvenile hostility, or mindless eye-poking.
Wow. Condescending, factually wrong and blatantly sexist all in one short post. You're really showing your progressive credentials today.
Gun nuts tend to be nuts.
Are gun worshippers similar to privacy worshippers?
When the Chicago PD, HUD, and the Chicago Housing authority cxame up with the common sense, sensible idea to conduct warrantless seartches of the robert Taylor Homes to combat school shootings and gang violence, "privacy worshippers" sued. And they won.
https://archive.md/mgil3
Why? Foster parents aren’t families. They are simply a kind of state boarding school. States can set requirements for guns in their boarding schools, just as they can for their day schools. Individuals have no right to be foster parents.
Interesting argument. I'm not sure I agree with your starting premise, though. If society wanted to run traditional orphanages, they certainly could do so. We looked at the social downsides of that approach and decided instead to use foster parenting - a model explicitly based on the perceived strengths of the adoptive family.
Another significant distinguishment - a boarding school supervisor is unambiguously an employee of the state, paid a wage by the state. Foster parents are not considered employees, are not taxed as employees and have none of the benefits that employees traditionally do. Foster parents are "paid" but it is a stipend that follows the child, not the parent. It is treated more as an offset to expenses than as compensation.
In short, I think foster families are families in more ways than not. But I do understand your argument. Start from a different premise and the case would get very different results.
An explicit part of fostering is that the kids are not yours, that you're just taking care of them for a little while. Reunification with the original is almost always the goal (at least initially, before the other parents prove themselves unfit), and failing that, being adopted out. Kids staying in the foster system for years is seen as a failure of the system, not a success.
And it's not like foster parents are given the full rights and privileges of bio/adoptive-parents either. For a great many things where a bio/adoptive parent would be able to simply make a choice, a foster parent needs to get state permission.
As a trivial example: religion. If the foster kid doesn't want to go to your church, it's a violation of their rights for you to take them. If it was your own bio or adoptive kid? You could drag their heathen ass to church until they're 18.
Which is to say... a foster parent explicitly is a stand-in for a parent, but they are not the parent in a great many ways. They lack the full privileges and rights of a bio/adoptive parent, and are also burdened with additional responsibilities that a bio/adoptive parent would not be required to shoulder.
I won't speak to how the legal case of this can or should work out.
But I will say that any decision that means a state can't consider whether or not the family has a habit of leaving loaded handguns on the coffee table is probably the wrong one.
Big difference between negligence ("leaving loaded handguns on the coffee table") and "stored unloaded and locked."