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Recent Supreme Court Decisions and the Non-Establishment Principle
I participated last Fall on a Wisconsin Law Review symposium panel on "Is the Court out of Control?," and wrote up a short (12-page) article for that. I'm posting it in several pieces; I hope some of you find it interesting, and I also still have time to make any corrections, if need be. Here's the third part (you can also read the first part and second part):
Some have suggested that the problem with Dobbs is that it lets states implement one particular, religious understanding of when life begins, or more precisely of when the right to life vests. But of course, any legal system must adopt some rule on this subject. The line could be drawn at conception, at the end of the first trimester, at viability, at the end of the second trimester, at birth, or after birth—ancient Romans, for instance, allowed exposing unwanted children to leave them to die.[1] All these decisions are based on unproven and unprovable views, whether moral, spiritual, or otherwise.
Likewise for animal rights. In my own state of California, it's a crime to sell horse meat for human consumption.[2] That's based on a nonrational moral or spiritual judgment: One argument for a similar proposal in Illinois, for instance, described eating horse meat as "morally perverse," "a perversion of the human-animal bond."[3] And it's a judgment that controls what people can put into their own bodies. Yet it's precisely the sort of judgment that democracies generally leave to the political process. The same is true for many other decisions about which animals the law should protect, and against what forms of treatment.
And of course, many voters' and legislators' moral judgments turn on their religious beliefs. Consider the draft, or the decision whether to start a war (or to stop one). Some people oppose all war for religious reasons. Some oppose unjust war for religious reasons.[4] Some support some wars for religious reasons. ("As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free."[5])
Most of the coercive laws that we hotly debate involve forcing a majority's views on the minority. That is true, as noted above, of laws protecting endangered species, antislavery laws, antidiscrimination laws, animal cruelty laws, environmental laws, intellectual property laws—or for that matter, bans on infanticide, child sexual abuse, or more generally, theft, sexual assault, or murder. Some of these laws may be sound on the merits and others unsound. But the fact that they force one group's views on another doesn't make them violations of the Establishment Clause, regardless of the source of the first group's views.
Religious people are as entitled as nonreligious people to implement into law their views about right and wrong, even if those views are matters not of logic or empirical evidence but of fundamentally moral and spiritual (or, to religious people, religious) judgment. And of course, the Supreme Court has repeatedly reaffirmed this, for instance in Harris v. McRae,[6] a case involving bans on abortion funding.[7]
To be sure, Justices shouldn't decide cases purely based on their theological beliefs, or skew their readings of, say, text or original meaning or tradition based on what their own religious beliefs (or their own secular philosophical beliefs) command. But there's no Establishment Clause barrier to their returning disputes to the political process, where voters and legislators can make decisions based on their own moral judgment, including religiously informed moral judgment. And of course, if Justices are supposed to evaluate rights questions with an eye towards what they think is the proper standard of human dignity or liberty or equality, then religious Justices must be as free to consider their own religiously informed moral thoughts as much as, say, Kantian or Rawlsian or Dworkinian Justices are free to consider their own philosophically informed moral thoughts.
Naturally, this doesn't preclude arguments that the Constitution does secure a right to abortion, or a broader individual right to control one's own body (whether that means a right to get an abortion or a right not to have the body used to kill enemy soldiers), entirely apart from whether restrictions on such rights are motivated by religion. My point is simply that, whenever this question turns on matters of morality, religious people are as entitled as secular people to use their own morality to decide them, even when that morality is religiously infused.
[1]. See, e.g., Judith Evans Grubbs, Infant Exposure and Infanticide, in The Oxford Handbook of Childhood and Education in the Classical World 83, 85 (Judith Evans Grubbs, Tim Parkin & Roslynne Bell eds., 2013). Indeed, ancient Roman law allowed the eldest male in the family to kill any family member, even an adult, though the power may have been more formal than real. See, e.g., Barry Nicholas, An Introduction to Roman Law 65–67 (1975).
[2]. Cal. Penal Code § 598d (West 2022).
[3]. Horse Lovers Tell Illinois Lawmakers: Stop Turning Mr. Ed into Mr. Edible, Ill. Times: Neighsayers (Nov. 6, 2003), https://www.illinoistimes.com/springfield/neighsayers/Content?oid=11436462 [https://perma.cc/8LPF-FUGH].
[4]. See Gillette v. United States, 401 U.S. 437, 441 (1971).
[5]. Julia Ward Howe, The Battle Hymn of the Republic, in The New Oxford Book of War Poetry 140 (Jon Stallworthy ed., 2014).
[6]. 448 U.S. 297, 319 (1980).
[7]. See also Bob Jones Univ. v. United States, 461 U.S. 574, 604 n.30 (1983); McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420, 442 (1961).
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Well explained.
I would just add that though most of those who think a human life has moral value from conception, are religious, it is quite possible to reach the same conclusion from a non religious perspective.
So it’s mistaken to claim that legislating against abortion is simply putting religious dogma into law.
Exactly -- and the same thing was true with slavery -- in fact, it was the abolitionist arguments that convinced me about abortion also being wrong.
The Baby killers really don't like being compared to Slave Owners, which is fair, because most Slave Owners didn't support killing their Slaves.
But slave owners did enjoy exercising dominion of female slaves' reproductive capacity.
“”As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free.”
ABOLITION was the religious cause, and the initial song was “John Brown’d body lies a moldering in the grave” — see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wI7RgyCPhY
Of course one doesn't have to be a Congregationalist to oppose slavery -- or Jewish to support food safety laws.
Professor Volokh's observations are reasonable. That a law may be supported by religious adherents, or a subgroup thereof, does not by itself show an Establishment Clause violation. For example, all states criminalize murder, theft and perjury. (Sixteen states criminalize adultery. https://legalhearsay.com/is-adultery-illegal-a-state-by-state-guide/#:~:text=In%20Which%20States%20Is%20Adultery%20Illegal%3F%201%20Alabama,7%20Michigan%20...%208%20Minnesota%20...%20More%20items) That such conduct is also prohibited by the Ten Commandments does not establish Judaism as a state religion.
Our society would be better off IMO though, if more self-proclaimed "Christians" were to find a deity whom they do not regard as such a weenie that He needs help from Caesar.
Donald Trump is likely glad that his tryst with Stephanie Clifford, a/k/a Stormy Daniels, took place in Lake Tahoe. If they had done it in New York, he would be less able to dispute that the falsification of business records was intended to conceal commission of another crime.
Doesn't matter, Trump is nothing more than a ham sandwich to Bragg and the grand jury.
Are you saying that society would be better off if states decriminalized murder, theft, and perjury, and left the deterrence and punishment of those actions to the pangs of individual conscience and divine retribution? I think most people, regardless of their religious beliefs or lack thereof, would strongly disagree, and I suspect such an experiment would end very, very badly.
No, I am not saying that at all. I said that the states' criminalization of murder, theft and perjury does not amount to establishment of the Jewish religion in those states. Obviously there are secular reasons for prosecuting those crimes.
"Our society would be better off IMO though, if more self-proclaimed "Christians” were to find a deity whom they do not regard as such a weenie that He needs help from Caesar."
Ah, good ol' anti-religious bigotry.
You ever wonder if ol' NG or people like him were in charge of hiring at a law firm, and they see two identical female candidates. But one is wearing a set of pearls...and the other is wearing a small silver cross. Identical in all other aspects. And for some reason, the one wearing the cross never seems to get the job.
And then of course, I'm sure you'll have some people like defending the decision....
Did...did you even get the reference he was making?
Also, speculating yourself into an accusation of bigotry based on nothing is an Ed move, not an AL move.
Stay in your lane.
Not_guilty is an open bigot and racist - the suggestion that someone who proudly displays their bigotry against one group he doesn't like in one case would also display bigotry against another group he doesn't like in a different case is hardly "based on nothing".
Propensity evidence, Toranth?
How low you stoop.
Also not something AL cites, so you’re just making things up.
I don't love how some on here talk about Thomas, but most on here don't have a lot of standing to call him out on it.
You mean his bigoted "reference" that was directly quoted? (BTW, that's evidence)
Explain the bigotry here.
He's not criticizing Christians as a group, he's referencing scripture and noting those who don't seem to follow it.
I may not agree with him, but I'm not seeing the bigotry.
Why not have horsemeat here? Wasn't POTUS Truman called 'Horsemeat Harry' back in the day? Horsemeat is commonly eaten in France, among the cultured.
What gives? 🙂
“Horsemeat is commonly eaten in France, among the cultured.”
Best argument for not allowing it.
Tried it in Italy, tastes like Horse.
Frank "The Native Italians call it "Ca-val-lo"
"President Truman was nicknamed “Horse meat Harry” by Republicans during food shortages in the run up to the 1948 “Beefsteak Election.”" Remember "Dewey Defeats Truman"?
See: https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/06/horse-meat/529665/
I'm having a hard enough time convincing the family that we should stew our old chickens, instead of waiting on them to die of natural causes. My wife grew up on a farm in a 3rd world country, it never occurred to me that she'd let our son name them.
Honestly, I'm kind of curious what horse meat tastes like, I should probably try some the next time I'm in Germany.
I used to live in France, and it was definitely sweet, compared to beef. Similar texture. You have to get the sauce right.
Yes - I used to eat in when I visited Luxemburg and the sauce definitely helped. Texture was perhaps a little tougher than the average steak but the flavour more than made up for it.
Had very good horse bresaola from a specialist horse-meat butcher in Geneva once.
Had some. Wasn't great. But how many horses are slaughtered every year? Why not use their meat? I suppose they're not bred for slaughter, which probably makes a difference to the taste, if nothing else.
My brother said he ate raw horsemeat in Japan. There is even a word for it: bashimi.
What about so-called "Blue Laws" banning both retail sales and sales of alcohol on Sundays.
New Hampshire didn't have them, which (along with no sales tax) is what made it a shopping mecca, but 40 years ago, both Massachusetts and Maine had laws which prevented stores, grocery stores, and liquor stores from being open on Sundays. There were exceptions, e.g. drug stores below a certain square footage and one quite enterprising Jewish merchant who went to the then-all WASP town and said "my sabbath is on Saturday and they said "OK, if you close sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, you can be open on Sunday." (This was Stone's in Reading.)
Surprisingly, all of these regulations are now largely gone without anyone having to raise the First Amendment. The legislatures chipped them away piece by peace and now they are almost all gone. (Alcohol can't be sold before 9AM on Sunday, 7AM other days.)
A Maryland Sunday closing law was upheld against an Establishment Clause challenge in McGowan v. Maryland, 366 U.S. 420 (1961). AFAIK, that decision remains good law.
Wikipedia has a list of blue laws.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_laws_in_the_United_States
Here's a better overview.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/blue-laws-by-state
The Wikipedia list is incomplete. Wisconsin is not listed, but Wisconsin doesn't allow vehicle sales on Sundays.
We got plenty of Blue Laws in the People's Republic of NJ.
It’s worth mentioning that a number of slavery advocates, most notably John Calhoun, pushed the religion argument heavily. They claimed that abolitionism was nothing but a religious dogma, an archaic and superstitious religious dogma, and a dangerously narrow and fanatical one at that. They said that permitting religious fanatics to impose their anti-slavery religious beliefs on everyone else was contrary to the principles of freedom of religion and religious tolerance that this country stood for.
Raised a Presbyterian, Calhoun became a Unitarian in no small part because of Unitarianism’s progressive, liberal, tolerant views on the subject.
Modern Establishment Clause doctrine explicitly excluded religious beliefs regarding moral questions from the definition of establishment in no small part because of this country’s experience with slavery and its advocates. Only establishing beliefs about a Supreme Being or Beings violates the Establishment Clause. Beliefs about moral questions do not.
Thus, among many other examples, the fact that the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. opposed segregation on religious grounds does not make the Civil Rights Act associated with his advocacy an establishment of religion.
Excellent summation!
Religious people are as entitled as nonreligious people to implement into law their views about right and wrong, even if those views are matters not of logic or empirical evidence but of fundamentally moral and spiritual (or, to religious people, religious) judgment.
I think the Establishment Clause requires a caveat or two about that. American constitutionalism makes politics, not religion, the means to “implement into law,” whatever views are to become legal requirements.
Religionists no less than others are entitled to practice politics. And, in almost every case, the practice of politics implies at least some liberty to determine the means of politics. But not in every case. The Establishment Clause excludes religious means within the scope of government. If we are to have a secular government—the Establishment Clause prescribes one—then government must enforce political power, and it cannot enforce religious power.
Whatever moral precepts or other presumed virtues religionists favor as a matter of religion, they remain free to implement into law by purely political means, if they can. But if they organize religiously to implement those same objectives, they skirt the bounds of American constitutionalism when they do it, and risk stepping over.
For instance, religionists should not be permitted to tithe in church to raise money used for political advocacy, at least not while the churches enjoy tax exemptions on the basis of religious purposes. What happens in church must steer clear of politics, or put the tax exemptions at risk. That is a standard previously widely acknowledged, and widely practiced. I think it is now under challenge, and the challenge should be defeated.
Likewise, I think courts must be especially alert to limitations imposed on their rulings by the Establishment Clause. Judges are accustomed to think apolitically—or at least we hope they are. No one wants judges meddling in policy. But that exposes judges to a philosophical conflict. They enforce laws for which American constitutionalism demands judicial deference—deference precisely on the basis of legitimacy conferred by politics, and only by politics.
That, “only by politics,” bit has troubled the courts. Judges too often long for a bit more agency of their own. Plus which, common law tradition seems to stand almost in opposition to the notion of exclusive political legitimacy. In that context, religion has tempted many a judge to find personal agency outside politics, to justify rulings in favor of religion. Thus, the advent (a fine word in this context) of so-called religious freedom restoration acts has apparently been taken as a political cue to move justice in an anti-political direction, to the detriment of legal decisions founded legitimately on politics, and only on politics. That is a trend which an accurate reckoning of the political character of American constitutionalism ought to reverse.
So you would have Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., his Southern Christian Leadership Conference, its various now-famous minister-leaders, etc. etc. etc., all arrested because they unlawfully and willfully did “organize religiously” to achieve political objectives?
Because that’s exactly what they did.
ReaderY, can you think of anything MLK and his followers demanded of government that was not squarely within the bounds of politically determined American constitutionalism as it already was? Can you think of any religious accommodation which MLK and his followers demanded be applied to them on the basis of a particular religious identity they did not share with everyone else, including non-religious Americans?
Perhaps you misunderstand the point of civil rights era religious organizing. It was not an effort to impose religion on anyone, or even to widen the scope for religious practices among adherents. It was an attempt to use religious means to mobilize strength internally, within the movement.
Stephen L. who said "For instance, religionists should not be permitted to tithe in church to raise money used for political advocacy, at least not while the churches enjoy tax exemptions on the basis of religious purposes. What happens in church must steer clear of politics, or put the tax exemptions at risk."
I would like you to meet Stephen L. who also said:
"Perhaps you misunderstand the point of civil rights era religious organizing. It was not an effort to impose religion on anyone, or even to widen the scope for religious practices among adherents. It was an attempt to use religious means to mobilize strength internally, within the movement."
Absolutely. MLK’s religious beliefs were so subversive to the established constitutional order that the FBI had to repearedly investigate him for anti-American activities. His religious beliefs led him to claim that ordinary Southerners, well-established members of the American polity whose peculiar institutions and queer lifestyles had long been completely accepted by the Anerican mainstream, should be cast out as sinners. People who most certainly did NOT share King’s religious views.
It was just as reasonable for Southern segregationists to accuse him of attempting to impose narrow, fanatical, unAmerican, hareful and intolerant religious beliefs on them as their predecessors like John Calhoun accused abolitionists of more than a century ago. Can you seriously claim that destroying someone’s identity, their sense of self, who they are, doesn’t hurt them? That “getting” others, destroying their way of life, out of nothing more than religious animosity towards their peculiar institutions and queer lifestyles, isn’t harmful?
And both were completely right to claim that advocates of change were subverting the established constitutional order. They were.
If it is not permissable to subvert the constitutional order for the sake of religious beliefs, King was as guilty as the abolitionists were.
Like abortion, slavery and segregation hurt Nobodies so far as the established constitutional order was concerned. The idea that the Nobodies they hurt might be Somebodies in the eyes of God was a strictly religious idea. And yet that strictly religious idea eventually resulted in overthrowing the established constitutional order, and bringing in a new one.
MLK’s religious beliefs were so subversive to the established constitutional order that the FBI had to repearedly investigate him for anti-American activities.
That is an idea so peculiar that I wonder if I am supposed to take it ironically.
You don’t have any idea why the FBI repeatedly investigated him?
You think the FBI’s view that MLK’s views and activities were part of a Communist plot to subvert the American constitutional order, that he was a dangerous crazy fringe fanatic, wasn’t a mainstream view at the time?
Of course I’m saying things here from the point of view of his opponents. J. Edgar Hoover was one of his opponents, and far from the only one. Your initial reply indicated you thought he didn’t have any. From the point of view of his opponents, he was extremely dangerous and highly damaging.
Oh, I see what happened. I said, "politically determined American constitutionalism," and you thought I intended by, "politically determined," to mean popularity as measured by election outcomes, or something like that. But I did not mean anything like that.
I meant to connote a distinction among a range of processes available to manage government, with politics being the one the founders expected to be operative in American government under the Constitution—and which indeed had been the process used to found the nation, and to draft and ratify the Constitution.
Our little cross-talk mishap affords me a chance to say something I have been meaning to mention for a while. The terms, "political," and "politics," especially as used in media accounts, and way too often among politicians criticizing each other, more often than not imply cynicism and self-interest at best. Speakers, including politicians, tend with those terms to express a range of meanings on a continuum which runs a gamut between, "selfish," and, "treasonous."
I rarely if ever use those words that way. I am mindful that politics was an honored term among the founders, and was meant by them to denote the process by which public affairs would inevitably be managed, for better or worse. Good politics would manage public affairs well, bad politics would deliver trouble.
I think the way those terms have become degraded in modern usage has deprived public life of an indispensable reference which can scarcely be replaced by anything else. You can include, "partisan," as another such word, which now gets thrown around irresponsibly as an epithet.
Wall of Text Translation: I don't think religious organizations should be heard in the public square.
Nope, public square is fine. Say whatever you want. You aren’t even trying, are you? You just want to find something negative to say.
For instance, religionists should not be permitted to tithe in church to raise money used for political advocacy,
Because having faith strips you of free speech.
What happens in church must steer clear of politics, or put the tax exemptions at risk.
Georgia reduced the number of Sundays the polls could be open, churches have 'Pulpit to the Polls' Sundays, sued and a judge sided with the church.
All the 1st A says 'congress shall make no law...', Judges have abandoned the simple words of constitution
I expect the pace of American progress will determine how much longer religious claimants will be able to arrange special privilege as sword and shield ("heads we win, tails you lose" and "we can discriminate against everyone else but no one can discriminate against us") in modern, improving America.
I think this is too broad. Surely there are religious practices which, if enacted into law, would constitute establishment.
Mandatory circumcision for male infants?
A ban on eating meat on Friday?
Mandating the teaching of creationism, of course
Indeed, a state statute prohibiting teaching "that mankind ascended or descended from a lower order of animals" has been held to run afoul of the Establishment Clause. "There is and can be no doubt that the First Amendment does not permit the State to require that teaching and learning must be tailored to the principles or prohibitions of any religious sect or dogma." Epperson v. Arkansas, 393 U.S. 97, 106 (1968).
How long this Warren Court precedent will remain good law, however, is anyone's guess.
1. circumcision – some people think there are health advantages. And some people think it’s OK for the government to enact its perception of health advantages into law. You don’t have to be religious to go for either of these propositions.
2. no meat on Fridays – some people think too much meat in the diet is bad for you / bad for the planet / bad for whatev. So limit consumption by making people cut down. Easier to police if it’s a particular day each week. And since people tend to pig out at the weekend, what better than a meat free Friday ? Again religion is not required.
3. mandating teaching creationism – again, no religion is required. Just as you can teach global warming or Marxism, without requiring pupils to confirm their assent to doctrine, so can you do with creationism. Think of it as anthropology.
And yet, Lee, it seems obvious to me, and I suspect most others, that such laws violate the Establishment Clause.
What do you think? And if you agree that they do, what does that say about Eugene's argument?
Most American men are circumcised. Are most American men Jewish?
Bob, it's about a law being passed mandating it.
Eventually, America will ban circumcision. Without exception.
The future can't get here fast enough.
Health mandates are bad now?
Quit fucking with the scope; the hypothetical is about a circumcision mandate.
That fact that no one seems to want to talk to that particular example says quite a bit about your lack of principles. Just contrarianism, eh?
Right, sarcastro.
I do not see a response to my implicit questions:
Would a law mandating circumcision violate the Establishment Clause? Lee Moore offers ate least some sort of justification for such a law. Is that enough for it to pass muster?
Similar considerations apply to a law banning meat-eating on Friday. What about that?
Is there any religious practice or belief that can not be legislated, on the grounds that it represents the moral view of the majority of the community?
As I read the OP, Eugene says no (with due exception for things like human sacrifice, etc, presumably.)
some people think too much meat
These "some people" just practice a different Religion.
It turns out this is not about freedom of religion. Its about finding paths for the govt to discriminate against religions.
Free exercise, not establishment.
I agree with you.
One emerging theat of theocratic laws is Gaia worshippers wanting to impose a universal ban on meat eating.
Who are you agreeing with?
PETA sucks, but it's not a religion.
Religion has no bearing on the issue of when life commences. When the Constitution was adopted, 12 of the 13 states had established religions. Torturing the 14th Amendment to claim that the states somehow lost the right to establish religions is wrong. For states to declare in a law when life begins is not a religious act, but a medical finding by the legislature, one with legal impact on the behavior of persons in the state. Nothing in the Constitution requires that such findings be uniform among the states.