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No Pseudonymity for Sorority Members Suing to Challenge Sorority's Admission of Transgender Student
In Doe v. Kappa Kappa Gamma Fraternity, decided last Thursday by Judge Alan Johnson (D. Wyo.), several members of the KKG sorority at the University of Wyoming (despite the corporate name, KKG is a sorority) sued the central KKG organization for breach of contract and related claims, arising out of KKG's decision to allow Terry Smith, a male-to-female transgender student, to become a member:
Plaintiffs ask this Court for declaratory judgments ordering: (1) that "men who identify as women" are ineligible for KKG membership, including voiding, ab initio, Smith's admission; (2) Defendants' violation of their obligations to the KKG organization; and (3) Defendants' violation of a campus housing contract. Plaintiffs also seek permanent injunctive relief invalidating Smith's membership and prohibiting men from admission to KKG, as well as monetary damages. {Plaintiffs do not allege claims against Defendant Smith, but [named Smith as a defendant because they] maintain that Smith is a required party under Fed. R. Civ. P. 19(a)(l)(B).}
At this stage, the preliminary question has been whether the Does could proceed pseudonymously, on the theory that "Plaintiffs argue that they have 'already faced threats, harassment, and safety concerns' from this litigation, including a 'social media maelstrom' often encircling matters of intense public scrutiny like transgender rights." No, said the court:
Proceeding anonymously is uncontemplated by the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. See, e.g., Fed. R. Civ. P. 10(a) (requiring that a complaint's title "name all the parties"), 17(a)(l) (prescribing that "[a]n action must be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest"). Nevertheless, the Tenth Circuit has recognized certain "exceptional cases" where parties may proceed anonymously. Exceptional circumstances exist: (1) in "'cases involving matters of a highly sensitive and personal nature;"' (2) in cases involving a "'real danger of physical harm;"' or (3) "'where the injury litigated against would be incurred as a result of the disclosure of the plaintiffs identity."' Femedeer v. Haun (10th Cir. 2000)….
I conclude that Plaintiffs do not meet the high pseudonymity bar reserved for exceptional cases. Two of Femedeer's "exceptional circumstances" warrant consideration, including whether this case involves "matters of a highly sensitive and personal nature" or a "real danger of physical harm."
I begin with the former, which, I find, is unmet. Pseudonymous litigation has been permitted under this exception where the issues involve, as examples, "birth control, abortion, homosexuality or the welfare rights of illegitimate children or abandoned families." … Preliminarily, Plaintiffs' names are not highly sensitive or personal. "Courts facing … actions for sexual … harassment … in university settings have generally required adult plaintiffs to proceed in their own names."
Plaintiffs are also adults. Notably, this is not a case solely between members of the same sorority, nor is it a sexual harassment action. Rather, it is a breach of fiduciary-duty and contract case against out-of-state Defendants; Plaintiffs also seek declaratory judgments, injunctive relief, and damages. Courts generally disallow parties to proceed anonymously in such cases, finding that the public's interest outweighs the movants' privacy interests…. Thus, Plaintiffs' names are relevant and warrant disclosure…. See Doe v. Regents of the Univ. of Colo. (D. Colo. 2022) (stressing "the public interest in knowing … the identities of the parties" that "far outweigh[ed] the claimed privacy interests"—given that the suit was "a matter of public concern [that was] being litigated in a public court, and the public ha[d] a strong interest in knowing how our court system is being used to resolve such a dispute [involving misconduct accusations of individuals at a public university] and who is involved in the case"); Doe v. U.S. Dep't of Justice (D. Colo. 1982) ("[L]awsuits are public events and the public has a legitimate interest in knowing the facts involved in them. Among the facts is the identity of the parties.")….
I turn to the crux of Plaintiffs' Motion: that denying anonymity will lead to threats, harassment, and safety risks. Plaintiffs point to a recent protestor's uninvited visit to the KKG house and threatening social media communications as examples. The standard, however, is a "real danger of physical harm"—and one Plaintiffs have not met.
Plaintiffs have not shown that they are in real danger of physical harm. Despite the undoubtedly frightening presence of an uninvited visitor to one's home, it seems to this Court that the protester, in fact, supported Plaintiffs' views on transgender rights. Plaintiffs certainly expose themselves to criticism, ostracism, and vitriol by suing in federal court. However, such "subjective, psychogenic harms" plainly fall short of this exceptional circumstance. See Oklahoma v. Biden (W.D. Okla. 2022) (holding that possible criticism for refusing to take the COVID-19 vaccine did not warrant anonymity). Embarrassment from exposure of one's sex offender status was also insufficient in Femedeer. Similarly, here, broadcasting of Plaintiffs' views regarding the legitimacy of their fellow sorority member, or their alleged "psychological distress," both fall short. Oklahoma ("In any event, being subject to criticism in the public sphere, even if intense, does not pose a risk of mental harm sufficient to support anonymity."). Of-age Plaintiffs bring any social media backlash, or celebrity, on themselves.
I end by taking a step back. The First Circuit recently opined:
Litigation by pseudonym should occur only in 'exceptional cases.' Lawsuits in federal courts frequently invade customary notions of privacy and—in the bargain—threaten parties' reputations. The allegations are often serious (at least to the parties) and motivated adversaries do not lack for procedural weapons. Facing the court of public opinion under these conditions is sometimes stressful—but that is the nature of adversarial litigation.
Roe v. Heil (D. Colo. 2011) ("[T]hose using the courts must be prepared to accept the public scrutiny that is an inherent part of public trials.").
The bottom line is this. Lawsuits are public events, and the public, especially here, has an important interest in access to legal proceedings. Plaintiffs may not levy serious accusations without standing behind them. Our system of dispute resolution does not allow Plaintiffs to cower behind an anonymity shield, especially one that is so rarely bestowed in this District or Circuit. Defendants do not have the option of proceeding pseudonymously. {Plaintiffs' motion for Defendant Smith's anonymity is belied by their own Complaint, which reveals Smith's real name in an unredacted email by Plaintiffs' counsel. The Court also notes that numerous media outlets have reported Smith's real name. See Raiser (10th Cir. 2005) (noting that when a party's name was already in the public domain, a request to proceed anonymously was "equivalent to asking us to put jack back in the box").} Defendant Smith, for example, stands publicly accused of concerning misconduct. Plaintiffs must so too endure the scrutiny that accompanies public lawsuits.
At the end of the day, I find that Plaintiffs have not demonstrated that this is one of those few exceptional cases involving highly sensitive or personal matters or a real danger of physical harm. Furthermore, after weighing Plaintiffs' alleged privacy rights against the public interest favoring openness, this case, at present, does not warrant pseudonymity.
The following day, plaintiffs asked for reconsideration "in light of developments since the filing of the Complaint ten days ago"; that motion is still pending:
The Court held that Plaintiffs "have not shown that they are in real danger of physical harm." To the extent that this Court requires concrete evidence of threats of violence directed against each individual Plaintiff, this is impossible: no one knows their identities. But the experience of the past ten days is instructive.
Last night, on April 6, 2023, Riley Gaines was speaking about the need for protected spaces for women on a university campus in California, and she was assaulted by individuals asserting that "trans-women are women." Ms. Gaines was barricaded in a room for three hours; she was physically assaulted as she was escorted out of the event by law enforcement, all the while being screamed at and called a "fucking transphobic bitch" by biological men.
On April 2, 2023, Representative Karlee Provenza CD-Laramie), who serves as the sitting House member for the district of the University of Wyoming where the Plaintiffs are currently located, posted an ANTIFA referenced meme that received national attention. See Exhibit 1. The meme depicts a woman holding an assault rifle with a scope and the words, "Auntie Fa Says protect trans folks against fascists & bigots!" Rep. Provenza has been publicly censured by the House Leadership. At the same time, the Speaker of the House noted that Rep. Provenza has received death threats as a result of her post on social media. {The statement by Rep. Provenza stated that she intended to convey the need for the 2nd Amendment to protect individuals and minority "communities." Rep. Provenza is a personal acquaintance of Smith, and it remains unclear whether Rep. Provenza considers Plaintiffs to be some of the 'bigots' who are attacking the transgender community and whose actions must be met with firearms.}
Also of note, after this case was filed, undersigned counsel were informed by university officials that the Church Elder who recently hosted a table in the University of Wyoming Student Union related to Terry Smith has also received death threats.
Contrary to the suggestion in the Court's order on April 6, 2023, death threats and safety concerns in this matter go both ways. Doc. 3 at 8 (stating "[i]t seems to this Court that the protester, in fact, supported Plaintiffs' views on transgender rights").
The original request made to this Court contemplated relief for both the male (selfidentified transgendered individual) referred to as "Terry Smith" and the Plaintiff Jane Does. Various publications then chose to identify Smith by name. A March 30, 2023, article in the Branding Iron [the University of Wyoming student newspaper] reported that Smith has "faced statewide and national backlash" since induction.
The Sorority members have been told to not wear their sorority letters around campus for their own safety and the UW law enforcement presence has increased to keep them safe. But the Plaintiffs have a vulnerability that extends beyond the individual above and almost all of the plaintiffs in the cases cited by the Court: everyone knows where they live. Their only current protection is that the general public does not know which of the forty or so residents they are. If the Court's standard for anonymity is that Plaintiffs must wait for personalized death threats and harassment before they can become anonymous, then the Court has eliminated protection for all litigants.
The Court's opinion also states social media attacks are the sort of "criticism, ostracism, and vitriol" that should be expected, and Plaintiffs have brought "any social media backlash, or celebrity, on themselves." It is unclear whether this means that Internet death threats are not to be taken seriously or that the Plaintiffs are like the sexual assault victim who "asked for it." These women are understandably concerned about their lives and their safety. Everyone already knows where they live on campus. The present climate regarding transgender issues, particularly in the wake of the Nashville school shooting and attempted Colorado shooting, both with transgender individuals, remains real and present.
The Court's opinion noted that "numerous media outlets have reported Smith's real name." Plaintiffs would also add that some of these media outlets have exaggerated the allegations in the verified Complaint. Defendant Smith deserves kindness, not anger and harassment. Although some of Smith's behavior is troubling, the Plaintiffs want him treated with respect. {Nor should a missed redaction in 235 pages of attachments be seen to reflect hidden motive. Usually, such oversights are resolved with a call from the clerk's office so a corrected version can be provided.} This was the basis for the request for his anonymity.
As to anonymity, however, the Plaintiffs are not similarly situated. Smith has put his own name out in the public forum; the Plaintiffs have not. In the past ten days, Smith has engaged with the press and consented to the revelation of his identity. A call between undersigned counsel and the Branding Iron publication at UW revealed that Smith consented to his identification in the March 30, 2023 story. In addition, the first news article in early October about Mr. Smith's membership in Kappa Kappa Gamma was created with his involvement. The girls, as Plaintiffs, have not done so. Moreover, without their consent their sorority house down to the house number was doxed online.
Some of the women in this matter sleep with bars over their doors. To say that Plaintiffs "cower behind an anonymity shield" is untrue and does not reflect this Court's usual temperate approach to difficult issues. The Complaint was verified, as it must be. While the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure contains the presumption that, "Every action shall be prosecuted in the name of the real party in interest," exigent circumstances warrant the request that the Jane Does at least, remain confidential to the public.
Here's what I wrote about risk-of-physical-harm arguments for pseudonymity in my The Law of Pseudonymous Litigationarticle (see the article for citations, of which there are very many):
Courts generally allow pseudonymity if there is "reasonable[]" "fear[]" of "retaliatory physical … harm to the requesting party or even more critically, to innocent non-parties," which may be considered in light of "the anonymous party's vulnerability to such retaliation." Express threats of violence would likely qualify, as would specific past incidents of violence or vandalism. Lack of such express threats or incidents—or at least lack of highly plausible predictions of possible future violence—will usually count against pseudonymity.
Risk of harm in a foreign country or from a foreign government would also qualify. "[R]easonable[] … fears" of other kinds of "extraordinary retaliation," such as "deportation, arrest, and imprisonment" in a foreign country, may also qualify, though perhaps mere deportation might not. So might "harassment or other form of retaliation" against a prisoner by guards.
Courts also generally require that the risk of threatened violence flow from the revelation of the party's name in the litigation, not from other factors (such as the party already being known to the people who might want to attack him). And of course, the risk must come from the public revelation: If the risk is that, for instance, the defendant will retaliate against the plaintiff, that can't be avoided by pseudonymity, because the defendant would need to know the plaintiff's identity in order to defend the case even if the plaintiff is allowed to sue pseudonymously (unless perhaps the case involves purely legal questions).
On the other hand, occasionally courts are more open to speculation about possible violent retaliation; consider this, for instance, from a case where a student sued his university based on what he said was an unfair investigation of domestic violence claims levied by a classmate:
The court thinks that Doe's identification may put him at risk for physical or mental harm by persons who know that he has been found responsible for domestic violence against Roe. Moreover, his identification has the potential to lead persons—especially those who are associated with Doe and Roe or know of Doe and Roe—to identify Roe as his accuser and identify other students who were involved in the investigative process. It is also likely that identification of Roe could result in her facing a risk of harm.
Likewise, one court has allowed such speculation in allowing a police officer accused of misconduct to sue pseudonymously for libel, though that was reversed on appeal, and another appellate court had taken the opposite view. As with many such tests that turn on speculation and predictions, much depends on the instincts of each judge, and the judge's reactions to the factual allegations.
And here's what I wrote about the broader argument that cases involving controversial beliefs on religious and political matters should be litigated pseudonymously:
[a.] Religious Beliefs
An oft-quoted 1981 Fifth Circuit decision, Doe v. Stegall, allowed plaintiffs to pseudonymously challenge public school prayers, partly on the grounds that "the Does complain of public manifestations of religious belief; religion is perhaps the quintessentially private matter…. [T]he Does have, by filing suit, made revelations about their personal beliefs and practices that are shown to have invited an opprobrium analogous to the infamy associated with criminal behavior." Some other cases have likewise allowed Establishment Clause challenges to religiously controversial policies to proceed pseudonymously, especially where there was a risk of public hostility to child plaintiffs, though others have disagreed. Stegall relied on the threat of "violent reprisals," not just social opprobrium, but other courts haven't cited such threats of physical harm.
Yet courts have nearly uniformly refused to let plaintiffs be pseudonymous simply to avoid revealing their membership in minority religions, such as Judaism and Islam, with only one clear exception that I have seen. Indeed, were it otherwise, religious discrimination lawsuits brought by religious minorities could nearly always be litigated pseudonymously. It thus appears that mere disclosure of religious beliefs is not sufficient to justify pseudonymity—there must be a combination of both the plaintiff's religious beliefs and expected public hostility to the specific remedy that the plaintiff is seeking.
[b.] Political Beliefs
Likewise, a recent case rejected pseudonymity where plaintiff argued that his challenge to Twitter policies might draw attacks on his children from "unbalanced people in the world" who "hate President Trump supporters." On the other hand, some other cases allowed challenges to vaccine mandates to proceed pseudonymously, because of concern about public hostility to such challenges. And another case allowed pseudonymity based on the speaker's perceived political views: a case where university students sued over having been disciplined for engaging in actions that were supposedly "racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, sexist, and hostile to people with disabilities"; query whether this may have stemmed from the more general trend of allowing challenges to university discipline to be pseudonymous, as a means of protecting the accused students' reputations.
Some other cases that have allowed pseudonymity in politically controversial contexts have focused on the claims being legal rather than factual challenges, so that naming the parties was seen as less likely to be valuable. And even in such controversial contexts, pseudonymity is not always allowed.
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"Plaintiffs have not shown that they are in real danger of physical harm. "
Tranny just murdered 6 people. No real danger!
Tired old men should retire from being judges. Life tenure was a mistake.
The AR-15 chambered in .223 is a popular weapon with women...
Although I thought the local organization had to vote applicants a bid for membership. That's how fraternities work (or did).
it's more accurately described at "5.56 x 45" but what's a millimeter or 2 between friends
Went to this Autopsy during Residency, British guy found out the "City To Busy To Hate" can hate as well as anyplace if you catch them on a slow day,
"Had "W-O-W" Tattooed above his "Member" but only read that way from the side.
If you looked at it "Head On" (get it? "Head") it read ".303" the Standard Round of the British Empire till they joined the 7.62 NATO crowd in the 50's.
Frank
I almost bought a surplus .303 which I was told had been used in the Falkland Island war of 1982.
Have a CZ-52 rifle (7.62 x 45mm) that was supposedly used by the Cubans in Grenada 1983, turns out it was just a plain old Czech Army surplus gun, beautiful engineering, Czechs even had their own 7.62 round because they wanted something a little stronger than the AK 7.62 x 39, good luck finding any of (either) today
In the 90's you could get a CZ-52 rifle and 1000 rounds of ammo for $300
Frank "that's "Dr." Gun Nut"
Never used the CZ-52 rifle, but I am quite a fan of the identically named CZ-52 pistol. Lovely true roller locking action, and 7.62x25mm is an interesting round. They conceal nicely as well, being very narrow. I wish I had bought multiples of them back when they were cheap.
When I was a teen (late '50's - early '60's) I had a .303 SMLE ("short, magazine, Lee-Enfield"). Cheap to buy and fun to shoot.
0.223 inches is 5.66 millimeters, so it's only a tenth of a millimeter between friends. A full millimeter would make the rounds entirely incompatible with each other.
They do, but if you read the complaint, the allegation is that "Mr. Smith" was initially rejected, then came in through a non-traditional process, that the national organization and others associated with the organization pressured the local chapter to admit "Mr. Smith," and that the vote was done by open ballot and with a threat that voting against Mr. Smith could result in suspension or expulsion from the organization.
Again, these are just allegations, and I suspect the allegations are disputed. But accepting the allegations as true, this wasn't a fair vote.
You do realise collectively blaming a group for the actions of an individual is bigotry, right? It's one thing to say 'most mass shootings are by straight white males,' another thing to say 'all straight white males are therefore responsible for mass shootings.' You do know this, of course, you're just a bigot.
Most mass shootings are done by darkies in the jungles of Chicago.
Fuck off, racist anti-semite.
You sound upset. Are you okay?
I just had an encounter with a racist anti-semite. I told him to fuck off.
Calling someone a racist is par for the course, and a dodge.
Of course Nige knows nearly half the murders are in 5 or 6 enclaves of democrat controlled inner cities, heavily populated by african americans. Nige would rather call someone a racists instead of addressing the root causes.
Joe, BCD is racist as all hell. And an antisemite. It's not a dodge, you strange man.
And cities are not enclaves. Neither is the party elected by the city particularly correlated, once you control for population.
But you'd rather push partisan bullshit than address actual root causes.
Sacrastro - you know better - the inner cities have a high murder rate due to the culture that pervades those inner cities. The policies advocated by the democratic party since LBJ has done far more harm to the vary people that the democrat party claims to be for.
The go to rant is to call everyone a racist anyone who points out the fallacy and harms of those polices .
You know better - yet you persist in similar fashion
Ahhh yes, that urban culture.
No, go ahead, defend BCD as not racist. Maybe ask him for his opinions on blacks and Jews.
Sarcastro - looking upstream in this thread - looks like Nige started the racist name calling.
Yes culture is the problem - how else to explain
1) the higher crime rate
2) lower academic progress
3) higher out of wedlock births, etc.
I don't care who started it, what are you, five years old?
And even your childlike 'he started it' nonsense is wrong. Nige actually didn't do any racist name calling, in fact he made the opposite point, you yutz.
I blame the south for violence, myself.
https://jabberwocking.com/raw-data-violent-crime-rates-in-a-selection-of-states/
Or maybe that's silly, and you should look for confounding variables.
'looks like Nige started the racist name calling.'
Looks like you just glided over the use of 'darkies.'
Shut up, bootlicker. No one wants to read your gaslighting, tone policing, and concern trolling.
Contribute something for once.
He is racist as hell and an anti-semite to boot. The root causes of inner city violence are poverty and the war on drugs.
Most mass shootings are done by darkies in the jungles of Chicago.
Welcome to just another day at the Volokh Conspiracy, where the conservatism prances around in garish, unconvincing libertarian drag and the bigotry is mostly unvarnished.
And a few legitimate law schools learn the cost of poor hiring decisions . . .
EV refuses to "deplatform" these screaming bigots.
The Volokh Conspiracy courts these bigots.
Yes, but some day he'll undoubtedly get tired of Kirkland and give him the boot.
No need to wait. Ask Prof. Volokh about Artie Ray Lee Wayne Jim-Bob Kirkland.
White man in Louisville AGAIN was a mass murderer using an assault weapon. Another waste of oxygen dude killing innocent people. Then are they going to lock up these mannies?
and the uncomfortable moment when "Terry" pulls out his "Leetle Friend" at the Rush party
Big man in the boat?
Story gets even better,
"Smith", who is 6'2" and weighs 260lbs, will be moving into the Kappa Kappa Gamma (KKG) house alongside 50 other women. Although the 21-year-old currently lives outside of the home, the girls say she is often in their sorority house watching them and they have caught her on at least one occasion with an erection. "
Well, yeah, because "She's" a Man (man!)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11922915/Female-students-sue-University-Wyoming-admitting-trans-woman-sorority-house.html
Frank
Something is off here. National organizations don't force chapters to take members. Chapters decide their own bid process.
I know -- except this is Mathew Shepard's university and who know what the admin has decreed.
You said "Member"
which is Ironic, because the whole sitch-u-asian is about a "Member" in trouble due to his own "Member"
LOL
"Something is off here. National organizations don’t force chapters to take members."
He won't need the national organization to force the local sisters to take members once he lives in the house.
um, rimshot?
Only in Democrat-Reality can a real, authentic woman get an erection.
KKG has a National officer in Arizona who had been in a fraternity but is now in the sorority. No big deal!
Expect Nige & Nelson to post those studies that show 99% satisfaction rate for transgender surgeries.
Low response rates, - typical quality of social science, crappy hard science
And yet we have more data for that conclusion than for any of the bullshit you transphobes spout.
Nige - if the response rate in the social science study where the response rate is less than 50% would discredit any serious science study. You resort to slurs instead of addressing the poor data quality of the studies.
Even if response rates are below 50% it is still more data than the transphobes have.
Slurs do nothing to improve the quality of the poor data nor the conclusions reached using such low quality data.
They neither improve nor disprove; nevertheless, that what he is.
Nige - You again resort to slurs because you cant defend the merits of poor data quality used in the studies. Quite typical
Weird how you don't say anything about BCD's slurs.
It's not a slur - it's an entirely correct and accurate label. I notice you make no effort to address the complete lack of data that is usually used to back up their hateful claims.
Don't forget survivorship bias.
Most trannies off themselves before they get a chance to participate in a study.
Maybe I misread this, but what I find interesting is how the courts make an exception for "homosexuality" but won't here for "heterosexuality" -- which we are taught is the equal to the former.
arising out of KKG's decision to allow Terry Smith, a male-to-female transgender student, to become a member:
"male-to-female transgender student" is a lot of words to say "man".
concur - biologically impossible for a male to become a female.
Does the party of science actually understand actual science? Experts in pseudo science perhaps
Eh, male and female are adjectives, not nouns. That's an accurate way to describe a man who has surgically altered his body to look more like a woman.
No, Smith has not had any surgeries or hormone therapy. Once this is completed, I would accept her into my sorority. Not before the surgery however. Kappas have a reputation of hazing, IU, SMU, UConn, GWU, Rollins, Dartmouth, DePauw, etc. Sisterhood reputation isn’t good. ,
"Plaintiffs argue that they have 'already faced threats, harassment, and safety concerns' from this litigation, including a 'social media maelstrom' often encircling matters of intense public scrutiny like transgender rights."
Come on girls, man up and face down the bullies.
By law and doctrine, you are the same as a man. So act like one.
Beat the crap out of the interloper.
C'mon, (man!) Girls don't do that, they call her/him fat and ugly and wait for him/her to take an overdose (always loved the XX "Overdoses" having to call Poison Control at 3am for a few hundred Ortho Novums (you really really won't get pregnant for awhile) they rarely take the things that would actually kill them, almost like they're just looking for attention,
Frank
Where do they *get* a few hundred???
And yes, suicide attempts usually are a call for help.
Um. from the Pharmacy usually.
Did you not have daughters? The pills come in cute little packs, with cute little names like "Yaz" "Loestrin" usually 28 pills per pack, and you are aware there is this invention called the Internets? Where you can get Rxs filled?
Of course problem with the pills, girls forget to take them, don't take the different colored ones for the last week because they mistakenly thing they're sugar pills (some are, some aren't, if I took them I'd know)
or they leave the cute little pack at home,
Why I gave my daughters Depo 150mg IM every 3 months, "Trust but Contra-Ceve, is my Policty,
all those years, no runs, no drips, no babies,
Frank
She’s not an interloper.THEY APPROVED HER TO BE A MEMBER!
I'm curious: If the plaintiffs, denied anonymity, end up physically attacked, to they at least get an apology from the court?
"an apology from the court"
Federal judges think they are God. God doesn't apologize.
Next time you get a chance you should yell that at a federal judge about to give a talk, a lot.
I'm not a leftist, I don't behave rudely at public events.
So you don't believe in what you say with any degree of strength or conviction.
"any degree of strength or conviction"
Rudeness is not strength. Public protest almost never accomplishes anything. The US civil rights protests, the only exception, did not involve rudely yelling at people.
As Bob and others have noted, the US civil rights protests were in part effective because they tried to remain peaceful, unlike the BLM/antifa protests or the Not-Free speech protests.
That's what someone invested in the staus quo would say.
I thought the stock answer was errybody should be armed to prevent attacks.
They should be. Do you drive without a spare tire? No Flashlight in the House? S&W Model 9 Combat Magnum in the glove compartment?? Pretty sure Senescent J's "Caregivers" have guns, seems to work pretty well, how often is an Amurican POTUS killed??
Frank
The stock answer is that when seconds count, the police are minutes away (or hours away, or maybe they got laid off because Defund The Police) and are always going to be imperfect, so people should have the option of armed self-defense.
Apparently your answer is for women worried about assault by a 6'2", 260-pound housemate to lie back and think of Wyoming.
Has this happened in other cases and how did it work out if so? I'm soft-hearted and would have preferred them to get anonymity, since the response to this kind of thing can be intemperate and immoderate, especially on a campus, and even if it doesn't amount to physical violence that can be rough.
No, why would they? Ridiculous question. The court isn't responsible for the illegal behavior of third parties. Courts shouldn't be granting anonymity on the remote possibility that somebody might be harmed.
This "legal" blog exhibits scant interest in the Fox-Dominion "Defamation Case Of The Century," the Trump indictment(s), the Clarence and Ginni Thomas Show, Ron DeSantis' Florida Censorship And Bigotry Revue, and other important legal developments . . . but it has the drag queen-transgender bathroom-lesbian-Muslim-transgender sorority-gay drama-white grievance-transgender parenting beat covered like white on
ricea Federalist Society cocktail party.Like they say in the Marxist Stream Media,
"If it Bleeds, it Leads" which is why we get days of coverage over every "Mass Shooting" (Unless it's Afro-Amuricans shooting each other, or shooting White Peoples,) and this Sorority story (lots of bleeding with a House of nubile females)
and you really want to die on that Clarence Thomas Hill?? (get it, "Hill"?, "Clarence Thomas?? I made a funny, son!) CT's your Great Black Whale, you guys been trying to lynch him since 1991, and like Godzilla he just gets stronger, first it was "He never talks!" now he talks to much, my money's on my man Clarence,
Frank
Well, like I said yesterday, it appears that the perp was going to be fired.
From a Bank job!!!!! Oh the humanity!!!!!
When do you think your braintenders are going to update your script and give you new material?
I respond to the monotonous stream of cherry-picked partisan bullshit and predictable bigotry that this blog spews.
You respond with, not respond to.
FYI
There’s also the Texas governor goading the state’s parole board to recommend pardoning a man who was unanimously convicted of murder 24 hours earlier. A maneuver apparently inspired by a fat headed tv talker.
Political prosecutions require political responses.
The murderer told the police he shot the victim because he didn't want to give the victim a chance to point his gun at him, which jettisons the self defense argument right there, without visiting the other evidence that he was looking to shoot someone. (That the jury deliberated 17 hours over this argues against a biased jury.)
I usually prefer peoples not to point guns at me, that the jury deliberated 17 hours just shows how biased they were, should have been acquitted in 17 minutes, still proves its better to be "Judged by 12 than carried by 6" no matter when he gets released, it'll be sooner than the dead BLM POS,
Frank
Perry's attorney has filed a motion for a new trial.
Bob, it was as fucking murder. There was a conviction.
Your lack of principles extends to killings, I see.
You are awful.
It was rational self-defense against an armed man who was part of a violent mob that had detained the driver - as the police investigations concluded and the first batch of prosecutors determined as well.
But when a prosecutor with a highly-political agenda got involved, he managed to scrape up a jury to trick. Sure, he's accused by the lead police investigator have having forged and hidden evidence, but that doesn't matter much to you, I'm sure. After all, the outcome of a trial is never something you'd disagree with, right?
We've all seen your 'principles' never apply to criminals you like.
Ah yes, the jury was tricked. Zero evidence of that, but you say what you gotta to defend a murderer because you like that the guy he killed died.
he’s accused by the lead police investigator have having forged and hidden evidence
As DMN pointed out, this is not true. Even the accusation.
After all, the outcome of a trial is never something you’d disagree with, right?
I like evidence. You don't care. You'd defend my murderer, I have no doubt.
You are awful.
Prof. Volokh seems to set aside his hostility toward pseudonymity in certain circumstances.
Can anyone detect the pattern?
Especially the Pseudonyms Jerry Sandusky uses,
or wait, are you really the Dolly Llama??
Frank "Big Kisser, the Dolly"
Riley Gaines couldn't be reached for comment.
Is she STILL trapped at SFSU?!
"Plaintiffs may not levy serious accusations without standing behind them."
Am I the first to point out here that perhaps the sisters of KKG should 'man up'?
If people don't suffer the consequences of their beliefs, how will they ever learn?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IU0ZXjdUVs
How odd that so many who claim to be liberals are bent upon creating a place where women are having their rights to privacy and security taken away by society in favor of those who are male.
It took decades for woman's rights to be second thought and it is being undone in less than one decade.
The existence of trans people doesn't undo women's rights.
Their existence doesn't but their demand to be recognized as actual women does.
They’ve always been recognised as actual women, the current state of affairs is the result of a succesful hate campaign.
When one waves his dick in womans faces it does,
So when he gets "John Bobbitted" will you "Believe the Women"????
Frank
Yeah, Frank, like your boy Kavanaugh did to a female classmate when he was drunk at Yale party. (Then there's the matter of his sexual assault on Christine Blasey Ford when he both were still in high school.)
neurodoc: "Then there’s the matter of his sexual assault on Christine Blasey Ford. . ."
According to Kavanaugh, Ford's allegations were the result of an effort to get "revenge on behalf of the Clintons and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups.” Surely Kavanaugh wouldn't just make that up, would he?
Edgebot has swallowed something and it's stuck in its virtual throat, someone do a virtual heimlich.
Agree! The bigots are putting everyone against the FIRST Group in their hit list to be ‘eradicated’ . Fox News lead with TRANS shooter but they don’t say BLACK six year old shoots teacher. Sex gets the Faux Christians wear in a wad.
I'll repeat a comment I've made before: A male who chooses to present as a female should NOT be called a "transgender female", but a "transgender male". His biology is MALE. His aspiration is FEMALE. If you (or society in general) accept that aspiration, that's fine, but if you (or society) doesn't, that's YOUR choice.
It's a medically recognised condition, not an aspration, not a choice.
Absolutely Nige! My cousin is trans and only happy after her surgery. Time for the trans community to take after the Black community in getting their rights! Peaceful mass protests and boycotts! There is more violence against them looming. When a washed up singer has target practice at beer cans with a trans face on them, it’s very dangerous. Hitler did this with Jews.
So, the "women's only" fraternity won't discriminate on the basis of gender identity? So, if you're a woman who identifies as a woman....you're in.
And if your a man, who identifies as a woman...you're in.
And if you're a woman who is transitioning to a man....you're also in? (Yes, that situation is specifically mentioned as a person being included.)
So....if you're a man, who identifies as a man...shouldn't you also be allowed in the fraternity? I mean...not doing so is discriminating on the basis of gender identity, isn't it?
That's a shame, because the trans mafia will be coming for them now.
It might be time to reevaluate anonymity in the internet age.
There is no trans mafia. Look at the KKK there is a real fearsome group of terrorists!
Yeah, Frank, like your boy Kavanaugh did to a female classmate when he was drunk at Yale party. (Then there's the matter of his sexual assault on Christine Blasey Ford when he both were still in high school.)