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Counting Up To A Supreme Court Leak
Usually at the Supreme Court, the only number that matters is five. Or so Justice Brennan (allegedly) said. But with respect to the leak investigation, the magic number is 97. According to the Marshal's report, "97 personnel" were interviewed for a total of "126 formal interviews." Apparently, "many" personnel--no more than 29--were "interviewed more than once." How do we count up to 97? We can speculate.
The report identifies two categories of personnel: "temporary (law clerks) and permanent employees." I do not think the nine Justices would be included in the category of "permanent employees." Indeed, it does not seem likely that the Justices were even interviewed. (See update below)
In OT 2021, there were a total of 37 law clerks. Each of the nine active Justices had four clerks, plus Justice Kennedy had one clerk who was likely (though not confirmed) detailed to one of the chambers. (In recent years, the Kennedy clerk spent time in the Gorsuch and Kavanaugh chambers). These numbers would suggest that there were 60 permanent employees who were interviewed.
The report states that "in addition to the Justices, 82 employees had access to electronic or hard copies of the draft opinion." Again, if we assume there were 37 law clerks, then there were 45 permanent employees who had access to the opinion. But we know that 60 permanent employees were interviewed. So approximately 15 permanent employees, who did not have access to the opinion, were still interviewed by the clerk.
The report explains how the draft opinion was circulated:
On February 10, the draft opinion was sent via email to a distribution list consisting of law clerks and permanent personnel who work on opinions. The vote memos were also subsequently sent to this list.
Before diving into the numbers, I'll make a tech comment: email distribution list?! Does the Supreme Court not use a shared-drive with document access control? Email is quite possibly the most un-secure method of transmitting information. The Marshal found that "[t]he existing platform for case-related documents appears to be out of date and in need of an overhaul." Agreed. Back to the numbers.
There were 70 unique, active users on the distribution list.
If there were 37 law clerks on the list, then there were 33 permanent employees on the list. Earlier, we calculated that 45 permanent employees had access to the opinion. Who were the other 12 people with access to the opinion?
The Marshal accounted for two of those people, who received hard copies:
The draft majority opinion was also distributed in hard copy to some Chambers. The two Chambers personnel who were not on the email distribution list would have had access to the circulated hard copies and to any other copies that were printed in Chambers.
Who were these Chambers personnel who would have had access to the hard copies, but not the email copies? Perhaps a secretary, or judicial assistant? Why do some, but not all Chambers receive paper copies? I suspect some of the more tech-savvy chambers are paper free, and do not want any paper copies filing in and out of the office.
More than a month later, there were copies circulated to 8 more people:
On March 22, eight more permanent personnel received the draft opinion via email.
This total does not include any law clerks. Only permanent personnel. And the report does not indicate these were "Chambers personnel." Presumably, these were people outside the chambers. I'm not sure why a draft opinion, that was nearly a month old, would be circulated at this point to eight more people.
The report indicates two more permanent personnel accessed the opinion by "separate means" (unclear what those means were):
The investigators also found that two additional permanent personnel accessed the draft opinion electronically by separate means.
The report indicates that 80 personnel, total, had electronic access to the opinion:
In sum, the investigators determined that 80 personnel received or had access to electronic copies of the draft opinion.
And earlier, the report stated that 82 personnel had either electronic or hard copies.
The investigators determined that in addition to the Justices, 82 employees had access to electronic or hard copies of the draft opinion
My numbers match the report:
- 37 law clerks;
- 33 permanent employees on the February distribution list;
- 2 Chamber personnel who received hard copies;
- 8 permanent employees who received the opinion in March;
- 2 permanent employees who received the opinion by "separate means"
That's a total of 37 law clerks and 43 permanent employees, for a grand total of 82 personnel who had either electronic or hard copies.
Again, 97 people were interviewed. 15 of them who were not part of this batch of 82 personnel. We do not know who these 15 people were.
Update: The Marshal of the court released a statement. She "spoke with each of the Justices, several on multiple occasions."
Update: #SCOTU Marshal says she interviewed the Justices as part of the leak investigation and none of the leads "implicated the Justices or their spouses." pic.twitter.com/YqrpzTzXAO
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Why did Kennedy still have a clerk? Is this common for retired justices?
In Thursday's reporting, different sources said that there were also a fistful of significant others (ie, spouses, boy/girlfriends) who had been told of the opinion. This does not particularly bother me (one should be allowed to talk about work to your husband or wife, for example...absent highly classified documents and the like). And the reporting did not say if the draft opinion was leaked to a spouse by a Justice, or by a clerk, or by others. But I doubt any of us would be shocked to learn that, say, Justice Thomas told his wife about the decision in advance. (We might, however, be shocked to be told that she was the leaker, of course.)
I agree that it probably wouldn't be bothersome if certain significant others learned of the opinion, although that depends on how significant they were. I wonder, however, whether a clerk's roommate learned about it without the knowledge or consent of the clerk with whom they were rooming. This would not be difficult, given that email was the distribution method and that Dobbs was an extremely high profile case that many roommates would be aware of. I agree with Blackman that email is an embarrassingly awful distribution system. The state supreme court for which I worked for a very long time never used an email distribution system, and I began work there before email came into existence.
I think there's a difference between a spouse learning what the decision was — it would hardly have been a surprise anyway! — and actually getting a copy of the draft opinion.
Agreed. There's an enormous difference.
But maybe sharing it with your "best friend" could be understood.
Hmmm. . . does one of the justice's have a spouse identified as their "best friend"?
“one should be allowed to talk about work to your husband or wife, for example”
Not aware of an exception to the lawyer confidentiality rules for spouses.
They apparently discussed the votes. That was confidential info, not mere “talk about work”.
Yes. Retired Justices have one clerk, or at least are entitled to it. The clerk works for the Justice if they sit on a lower court for a case, like O'Connor and Souter did, and if there isn't enough work, which is common, they are detailed to the chambers of one of the sitting Justices. There may be some other work they do for the retired Justice but these are the primary responsibilities.
Thanks. I hadn't realized retired justices still sat the occasional case.
While I believe they do need better document control, seriously no one should have access outside of the clerks and Justices to drafts, I do believe at the end of the day all deliberations and drafts should become public knowledge.
It will be very interesting to watch how the media and political parties play if it is a law clerk who did reveal the information. I doubt either would call for the same treatment if they belong to a favored Justice
Are you saying support staff such as secretaries shouldn't have access? That seems hard to implement. A lot of lawyers of the justices ages (and I'm including the younger ones since work processes vary) rely on non-lawyer staff to compose long documents.
Wow, email distribution?
Teams or google docs has more security than SCOTUS uses?
I'm not an IT guy but I would think SCOTUS would us and air gapped server for sensitive information with limits on distribution and printing. I do contract work for a multi national co. I have limited access to just the stuff I need to do my job. I'm trying to edit a power point presentation, and still haven't gotten it unlocked. I cant e mail to my personal account to get it into mydrive so I can edit it. This is not something with any company secrets and the Power point is a pubic presentation. But the security measures lock it down pretty tight.
Is that Animal House? "your fucked up, you trusted us"
I still dont believe they know who leaked the draft.
>Wow, email distribution?
I wonder if that was a temporary COVID workaround i.e., normally, nothing leaves the building?
"Does the Supreme Court not use a shared-drive with document access control?"
Shared drive access is not all that secure either. The same 82 people would have access. And, you dont need to print it. Just take pictures over someones shoulder with a burner phone. People who want to do something like this are going to find a way do it.
"Trial balloons" (a method used by public figures of leaking certain stories to reporters to see what the political reaction will be) have always been common in D.C. Leakers rarely get caught. Heck I put a substantial probability it was one of the conservatives (with the express permission of a Justice) to see what the reaction would be. Maybe a Roberts clerk, who mysteriously does not get caught.
Welcome to D.C.!
We will find out eventually, in someones memoirs, probably 20 years from now.
The media environment is sufficiently left-wing, that if a Roberts clerk didn't get caught, it was because they covered their tracks on BOTH ends. This is the sort of thing where the media might gladly burn an informant just to damage a Justice.
You are correct generally about the left wing media, but in this case it was leaked to a national security reporter (Alex Ward) for a reason.
A national security reporter, regardless of political stripes, wont burn a source - or they wont be a national security reporter long in DC.
I think the justices conspired to leak it. I think they thought it would soften the blow - diffuse the reaction over a longer time period, instead of the decision being a bomb that goes off.
That's why no one is going to get caught.
There might not be a human leaker even if I consider a human leaker to be the most probable explanation.
It’s worthwhile to investigate the network system that SCOTUS uses. Google tools are notoriously insecure. Several times I have obtained access to another person’s Google Drive without even trying to hack Google Drive.
Suppose a Google Drive directory, which contained a draft of Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, No. 19-1392 (U.S. Jun. 24, 2022), appeared out of nowhere on my Google Drive. I would probably forward the draft to one of my reporter friends at the Boston Globe because I would consider the draft to be newsworthy and because I signed no confidentiality agreement with SCOTUS. BTW, some might think ill of me, but I agree with Dobbs.
Here is my conspiracy theory: one of the clerks was renting an efficiency appartment (DC is expensive). They had a (old?) draft in a 'to be shredded' pile. The clerk got lucky one night. Their partner saw the draft and seized the opportunity.
Male or female?
OK, am I right in reading that the supreme court, final arbiter of US laws, can't find a leaker from less than 100 people?
Kind of makes me wonder just how smart that group is.
And people only suspect they are losing respect.
(well, we do know that one of them doesn't even know what a woman is, so - - - - )
TBH, the "investigation" was (reportedly) conducted by the Marshal of the United States Supreme Court.
That office/person has ZERO authority to give oaths to witnesses (so they can just lie without legal reprecussion), request warrants and conduct searches, gather evidence, etc., i.e., the Marshal has absolutely none of the traditional investigatory tools.
And this report is the expected result of that weak investigation.
See my comment below. If the IT systems aren't set up such that an exfiltrator must leave digital breadcrumbs, and the person who did it worked around whatever minimal safeguards existed and is capable of steadfastly keeping a straight face while saying "it wasn't me," what material is there to work with regardless of the strength of the investigation?
I disagree that someone could lie to the Marshal without legal repercussions, even though an oath was not administered. 18 U.S.C. § 1001 does not distinguish between false statements made under oath and those made not under oath.
In addition, I would imagine that at least some members of the Supreme Court police are authorized to administer oaths, and they apparently arranged for everyone except the justices to execute affidavits.
I think the broader lesson is that if your institution (judicial, corporate, whatever) is built on trust and decorum and expects people to do the right thing rather than ensuring they do via strict distribution protocols coupled with tight exfiltration controls and monitoring, it's nearly impossible to conclusively pin down someone who breaches that trust. I suspect they're already working on enhancing that side of the coin, as much as they may dislike the implied message of distrust that creates in the overall work environment (nearly exclusively composed of people trying to do the right thing).
The report is careful to say that they've been able to identify the leaker "by a preponderance of the evidence" -- I'd read that to say they have a short list and perhaps strong suspicions within that, but nothing they can nail down (again unsurprising if that person was careful enough, per above).
This can't be good for the Court going forward. I wonder how the Justices feel about this? Whom can you trust?
Democrats. You can always trust democrats. Because Trump.
[Irony alert] I know, how about firing everybody at the Supreme Court, including the Justices? Then let President Biden appoint all of the new justices. There, problem solved. 😉
Darth, but if it was leaked by someone who wanted to precipitate your 'solution' then you have been duped. I know and you know ( as Biden once said--knowing nothing) that you assume it was some Conservative or some nasty person like that. I think it is more likely a liberal under Kagan or Sotomayor.
The States should decide the SC. Each State Legislature gets one vote for each candidate. Easy and more reflective of America.
Each state gets 2 votes through its senators (whose selection is less likely to be gerrymandered). The desire to further empower state legislatures is typically advanced by right-wingers who see that states that are not right-wing have gerrymandered state legislatures controlled by right-wingers.
I dislike conspiracy theories but this reminds me of Biden's silly and lazy attempt to identify the origins of Covid. Can the strongest country on earth , with all its billions not find this out? Of course it could. Biden doesn't want to know. THis is the man that gave a whole speech on the OMNIcron virus.
Do you think it's easy to track a virus to its origins? One which can make transitions from one species to another?
*slow clap*
I'm betting that they know who the leaker is, but, don't have enough proof to take action.
This feels like a Silver Blaze report (see, Doyle, Arthur Conan).
The Marshal's office interviewed 97 personnel, none of whom were Justices. The investigation concluded that these interviews did not point to a leaker. Isn't the report basically begging us to spot the dog that did not bark...?
Systems with effective security are annoying to use. Do you expect justices and clerks to leave their electronic devices at the entrance? Does their word processing software even work if not connected to the internet regularly?
Just a thought.
Use paper and pens. Use a copy machine that requires an account code.
Actually ignore politics.
Yeah, I know, crazy talk.
But seriously, who needs computers to coordinate 9 people?
Yet another triumph of the leadership of John Roberts, for whom the attempted assassination of one of his colleagues generates a shrug.
While I imagine the personnel were questioned by individuals less skilled in interrogation than your average security guard, I still suspect the leaker was a justice. Frankly, I think a clerk would be too scared to do it, fearing for their future. Same for court personnel. Additionally, I believe if Inspector Clouseau accidently did uncover the culprit, the decision would be made to keep this from the public.
Which justice do I suspect? Naturally, the only rash hothead on the Court. (If you asked a large group of Court observers who was the Justice most likely to act rashly or impulsively, I suspect a solid majority would give the same name).
Or indeed, the justice thought to have leaked the outcome of Hobby Lobby over dinner with a conservative activist. Whatever happened there? Oh, right, a half-denial from the justice in question.
What makes you think the leak was rash or impulsive? All evidence (or perhaps the lack thereof) suggests it was strategically planned.
"the only rash hothead on the Court"
Kavanaugh? Possible, but I don't really see it. Most likely it would be the justice with a known history of leaking the court's internal deliberations in past cases.
The only real question was whether it was Alito or Thomas (or Thomas->Ginny->public).
“Again, 97 people were interviewed. 15 of them who were not part of this batch of 82 personnel. We do not know who these 15 people were.”
The investigators were trying to conduct as comprehensive an investigation as possible, so they checked with these extra 15 sources, none of whom turned out to have useful information (no information that they were willing to share, that is):
3 Lizard People
The chief engineer, head meteorologist, and supervising rabbi of the Rothschild Weather Machine Company, Inc.
The Esteemed Grand Masters of the Scottish Rite, Eastern Rite and Keokuk, Iowa Masons.
The Commander of the Templars and his two Templarettes (hired as part of the new Templar gender-equity policy)
and
The Illuminati Triumvirate
They could check the handwriting in the snow.
Oops, wrong kind of leak, punch line to the wrong joke.
Had they just interviewed Ginni Thomas, they could have solved the whole thing.
Assuming that Ginni Thomas would tell the truth about anything is a leap I'm not willing to take.
Why do you think the Thomas family bagwoman would have scruples about lying? Her husband had no compunction about serially filing false financial disclosures that omitted her income.
Read David Lats substack today on this.
"it does not seem likely that the Justices were even interviewed."
Kinda seems like a pretty big oversight, what with the opinion's author already being a confirmed leaker and all...
Kinda seems like a fictional oversight, actually.
Supreme Court’s Inquiry Into Leak Included Interviews With Justices
Bring in the reporter from Politico and threaten him with the espionage act (since it can be used pretty much however the feds want it to)...he will sing in a few minutes.
Here's what you do:
Until we find out who did it, why they did it, and how they did it, NONE of the law clerks are eligible for federal judiciary service. None of them will be nominated. If nominated, none will be confirmed.
Problem solved.
But that's assuming a clerk did it. What if it was leaked by a law clerk's roommate or housemate, without the clerk's knowledge or consent? Because the court used an email distribution system, it would have been fairly easy for the roommate to access it.