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Court Reverses Order That Father "Shall Not Discuss Religion with" Child
Easterday v. Everhart, decided Thursday by the Indiana Court of Appeals, in an opinion by Judge Melissa May, joined by Judges Terry Crone and Leanna Weissmann, involved the custody of the parties' 12-year-old daughter. The parties' original agreement was for joint legal custody but for mother to have primary physical custody, with father having the child "Wednesday evenings and every other weekend." In 2022, mother asked for a change in custody:
During the hearing, the parties presented evidence and testimony about their different views regarding Child's religious upbringing. Mother testified she and her family, including child, changed churches and now attend "Seymour Christ Temple Apostolic" in Seymour, Indiana. Since changing churches, Child stopped painting her nails and now wears only long skirts. Child attends church three times a week, on Sunday morning and Sunday evening for services and on Thursday night for youth group. Mother admitted Child was baptized without Mother informing Father until after the baptism occurred. Mother testified she wanted the trial court to modify the parenting time "to eliminate [Father's] ability to question [Child's] religion or try to talk [Child] into believing that there is no God[.]"
Father testified he is an agnostic. He denied telling Child "there wasn't a God" and testified he had not tried to "convince her the church she goes to isn't something she should be attending[.]" He testified he wanted Child "to make her own choice" about religion.
The trial court gave the mother full legal custody, and added:
The Court finds that there has been a change in circumstances relating to legal custody. The Court finds that [Child's] parents hold very different views on religion. The Court having considered the evidence and in-camera interview, finds that [Child] has made an independent well reasoned decision about her faith, which should be respected and encouraged. The Court finds that to allow [Child] to pursue and express her faith, that [Mother] should have sole legal custody of [Child] as well as primary physical custody. [Father] shall not discuss religion with [Child]….
The Court of Appeals reversed those aspects of the order (the correct result, I think, see my Parent-Child Speech and Child Custody Speech Restrictions):
Here, the trial court's modification of legal custody in favor of Mother was based entirely on religion—Child expressed an interest in participating in religious activities at a church she attended with Mother. The trial court did not make a finding regarding, nor can we locate in the record, another substantial change in circumstances to warrant a change in legal custody. Therefore, we conclude the trial court erred when it awarded Mother sole legal custody of Child based solely on Child's desire to "pursue and express her faith[.]" …
Father also argues the trial court's order prohibiting him from discussing religion with Child violates his First Amendment right to free speech….
[T]he trial court did not find, nor does the evidence suggest, that Father was discussing religion with Child in a way that had a negative impact on Child. Mother testified Child "cries[,] … is withdrawn[,] … presents with a rash and/or hives[,] … [and] [h]er face is puffy" after visiting with Father. However, Mother did not specifically attribute Child's reactions to discussions of religion between Father and Child.
Mother asked the court to "eliminate [Father's] ability to question [Child's] religion or try to talk her into believing that there is no God" because those discussions are "harmful to [Child]." However, there is no evidence in the record that Father was having such discussions with Child. Mother did not testify about a specific instance during which Father spoke to Child about religion in general, much less a time when Father disparaged Child's religious views or attempted to persuade Child there was not a God, and Father testified he did not tell Child there was no God and he wanted Child to make her own choices regarding religion.
Even if Child reported during the in-camera interview that Father was disparaging her religious views and telling her there was no God, the trial court's total prohibition of Father's right to discuss religion with Child is not narrowly tailored to further the State's compelling interest in protecting Child's welfare. There are likely many topics related to religion that Father could discuss with Child without causing harm to Child, including support for her decision to express and pursue her faith. With the trial court's order as it is, Father can neither encourage Child's faith nor encourage her to learn about how other people may believe and worship so that she grows up to be an educated citizen of our pluralistic country. Therefore, we hold the trial court's order totally prohibiting Father from discussing religion with Child violated his right to free speech under the First Amendment.
{Father also argues the trial court's order prohibiting him from discussing religion with Child also violates the Establishment and Free Exercise of Religion Clauses of the First Amendment. As we conclude the prohibition violates Father's free speech rights under the First Amendment, we need not address whether the language violates his rights under other clauses.}
Congratulations to Daniel J. Canon and Jessica Wegg (Saeed & Little), who represent the father.
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What an idiot trial judge . . . . what can state supreme courts do about these dorks.
Wonder if any states have continuing education requirements for judges.
STATES RANKED BY EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT
(includes territories; 52 jurisdictions ranked)
HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA
Indiana 31
UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE
Indiana 43
ADVANCED DEGREE
Indiana 43
Again, I hope this child overcomes the substantial obstacles of her family and hometown and gets the hell out of Indiana at the first reasonable opportunity (which customarily is the day of high school graduation). Get out and never go back. Most people -- better people, especially -- will credit you for overcoming these circumstances rather than fault you for experiencing them, Miss Everhart. Good luck to you!
Educational attainment is largely irrelevant today.
Tens of thousands of folk are leaving the socialist paradise of next-door Illinois each year and moving across the border to Indiana. Very few are crossing the other way.
If they are attracted to Indiana, that chart indicates they likely are mostly uneducated dumbasses. Likely with the usual associated baggage -- bigotry, superstition, disaffectedness, Republican registration. All the more reason for this young woman to get the hell out of there at the first reasonable opportunity.
Parental disputes in child custody cases are always messy. To me, it comes down to: Mother did not allege a single instance of Father discussing religion with the child.
I'd feel a lot differently if Father was saying/doing something to disparage Mother or religion. That was not the case.
Do you doubt that this mother disparages agnosticism and reason, or avoids indoctrinating the child with an obsolete, three-times-a-week brand of superstition? Why is that conduct less objectionable than anything the father could have said that disparaged religion?
Arthur, I think parents should not disparage each other, just as a general matter, in front of their children. I base that judgment on my own lived experience.
I agree. Parents should not try to make their children footsoldiers in a war with their ex-spouse.
Can we assume that literally every belief and valuation you have is derivable from pure reason?
And if so, you should write it out so you can be the most famous philosopher ever for finally managing to ground values in pure reason and nothing else.
(Hint: You can't. They aren't. Nobody's are. That's not how valuations work in human beings.
"Reason" is no more a God than Jesus is. Stop treating it like one.)
The pursuit of purity seems largely a waste of time.
Preferring reason to superstition seems the intensely better course. (Same with science to dogma, modernity to insularity, inclusiveness to bigotry, progress to backwardness, freedom to authoritarianism, etc.)
People are entitled to believe as they wish, of course.
Even if the Father had been disparaging religion, this was a flagrantly wrong decision by the trial judge. The Mother unambiguously disparaged the Father and his beliefs. The anti-father bias in family law is a continuing travesty.
any systemic anti-father bias might well take a back seat for a pro-Jesus Indiana judge in this particular case.
The judge is a Republican from can't-keep-up Indiana.
Is he as Rev.olting as Jerry L. Sandusky?
That does not seem relevant. What is relevant is the likelihood that a Republican judge from rural Indiana would issue a silly decision based on old-timey superstition.
Might want to use some extra Poly-Grip if you tell your typical Afro-Amurican Church Goer that it's "Old Timey Superstition" you'll end up with an Old Timey broken jaw.
Is there any subject that doesn't precipitate a racist comment at this blog?
You're just itching to have the proprietor use a vile racial slur.
Again.
I dunno Rossami, I have to base some of this on my own experience, growing up in a single parent home. I know when my parents were at loggerheads (very rare) post-divorce, it was not good. Things get said in the heat of the moment, and the damage is done. To me, the Mother could not point to a single thing....that is what makes me wonder about the trial judge. At least this was adjudicated relatively quickly (less than a year)
I think when one parent disparages another, it is not in the best interest of the child. Parents should keep that thought uppermost in their minds.
I strongly agree with the last part. But that does require that people act their best when they're at their worst, alas. And it still doesn't excuse the judge making an overtly religion-biased decision.
Reason #253 I stayed far, far away from Family Law both in school and in practice ...
Z, I base my opinion not on weighty tomes of law, but my own lived experience as a child, watching divorced parents over the years. I know that I was lucky, my parents did a great job not making their disputes my disputes. That was huge.
OTOH, when my parents did overtly disagree, and it spilled out publicly, it made emotional problems for me as a kid. It was almost impossible not to be maneuvered into picking a side.
Parents disparage each other all the time. Yes, it's a problem but it doesn't magically become more harmful when the parents divorce than it was while they were still married.
And it especially isn't automatically more harmful when Fathers say mean things than when Mothers say mean things.
My larger point (which may not have been clearly articulated above) is that the "best possible interests" standard is broken and wrong. There are no perfect parents in marriages. Family law people should not be pretending that they can somehow make divorcing parents better than the accepted minimum for still-married parents.
It is the discontinuity of the marriage that gives rise to the state's role as parens patriae. Where parents remain married to one another, no one has invoked the jurisdiction of the court.
When divorced parents want mutually incompatible things for their children, there needs to be some way of deciding what happens. What alternative would you propose?
It was good that the ruling was appealed and overruled the trial court ruling.
In many states, the trial judge in family courts have very wide discretion with very limited ability to sucessfully appeal erroneous
and / or biased rulings. Judge Mary Brown in Dallas County family court is a good example of the wide latitude judges are given in family court. That is the case where the mom got sole custody of a 6 year old boy that the mom is trying to transition into a girl.
I hope this child overcomes the obstacles of a broken home, childhood indoctrination by a substandard mother, poor treatment in the courts, and being raised in desolate, downscale Indiana.
In particular, I hope she departs the Indiana backwaters promptly upon her high school graduation and finds legitimate education, modernity, and economic opportunity elsewhere, in a modern, educated, successful community. There is more to the world than Seymour, Indiana, and I hope she gets to experience the better elements beginning in five years or so.
In my experience the most surefire way to raise an atheist is to send them to Catholic school.
Citation: “Catholic Girls”, F.Zappa (Zappa Records, 1979)
Hey Now!
It was also a reliable way to make a daughter a huge hit at fraternities' freshman orientation parties.
Get Rev.Jerry L. Sandusky trying to act like he's heterosexual.
I know, I know (not firsthand like yourself, but like I learned most of my Criminal Justice knowledge, from TV)
You get "a Pass" for any Homo-ness "In the Joint"
Doesn't explain why Jerry S only went after the Dong-age packing(get it?)
Frank
Quite the out-of-the-blue comment.
(How are those civility standards -- the ostensible standards this blog relies on when censoring comments that criticize conservatives -- coming along at the Volokh Conspiracy?)
Carry on, clingers. So far as better Americans permit, as usual.
Any real Amurican would recognize that as a quote from that Great Italian Amurican, Tony Soprano.
When deciding the fate of one of his Captain's who'd been "Outed" (Vito Spatafore, who outed himself showing up at a fag bar in a Village People Biker outfit), his Shrink asked him about homosexual activity in prison,
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Frank
Maybe she can go to an enlightened progressive utopia like San Francisco and can become a homeless prostitute selling herself on a corner between piles of human shit.
She'd probably earn a cool $100k in free Democrat gibs and the fivers she'll get per blowie.
Another reason to be a Volcell & buy a $4000 sexbot instead.
https://www.foxnews.com/tech/sexbots-societys-friend-or-foe
Time to send in a Blade Runner.
Even if the facts in another case said daughter was crying because father told her she and her mother were going to hell, would be eaten by Cthulhu in the afterlife, etc., that strikes me as statements protected by freedom of religion and speech.
I’d have to file a 51A if I were aware of this — “risk of emotional injury.” Child crying...
See: https://www.mass.gov/info-details/definitions-of-abuse-and-neglect
Now as to expecting a competent response from DC&F…….
"Even if the facts in another case said daughter was crying because father told her she and her mother were going to hell, would be eaten by Cthulhu in the afterlife, etc., that strikes me as statements protected by freedom of religion and speech."
Such statements likely are First Amendment protected, but the state has a compelling interest in the well-being of a child of divorced parents. A prohibition on disparaging the other parent (or perhaps a prohibition on disparaging the other parent's religiosity) probably is narrowly tailored to achieve that end.
Would have been so much simpler if they'd aborted the brat.
Family law courts have assumed that a non-disparagement provision could be narrowly tailored. I disagree and argue that it cannot be compliant in all but the most extreme circumstances - circumstances that go so far beyond mere "disparagement" as to reach actually-prohibited speech such as libel.
Key to the argument is the fact that the government's "compelling interest" does not extend to the control of still-married parents who say mean things about each other. The government does not even attempt to control that speech (and couldn't if they wanted to). The rule only gets applied to divorcing parents which is underinclusive of their alleged interest.
That's right. If that state interest is so compelling, then why not apply it to still-married parents? Because it is does not benefit the child to have her parents taking speech orders from judges.
Shall we create a list of things that can be argued to be 'narrowly tailored' that the Government should be able to ban in the interest of the "well-being" of a child?
Rossami's point is a pretty crucial one. Once you're done making the near-infinitesimal list of what might inhibit the "well-being" of a child, remind yourself that they're only trying to apply that to a child with divorced parents.
"Such statements likely are First Amendment protected, but the state has a compelling interest in the well-being of a child of divorced parents."
The standard in all cases is best interest of the child. As defined by the child protective nazis.
Incorrect, as always.
Yes, the worse nazis are the one who claim to be benefiting someone else's child.
Father should take the child to something more wholesome, like "Drag Queen Story Hour" at the Pubic Library.
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I haven't talked to my mother since she told me she voted for Obama.
I don't hang around jogger-lovers.
Just another day at the Volokh Conspiracy, where the racism, gay-bashing, misogyny, immigrant-hating, and other forms of right-wing bigotry speak loudly, regularly, and with the documented approval (if not encouragement) of the bigot-hugging, right-wing management.
Jerry Sandusky's Prostatism is acting up again I see.