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The New Yorker Profiles "The Conservative Who Wants to Bring Down the Supreme Court."
Jonathan Mitchell failed in his effort to become a legal academic, so he put his theories into practice instead.
The New Yorker has published a profile of Jonathan Mitchell, author of Texas' SB 8 abortion law. The article, written by Jeannie Suk-Gersen, is revealing and paints a very fair portrait of the now-infamous legal thinker and litigator. It is definitely worth a read.
A few portions of the article discuss Mitchell's efforts to become a tenured law professor, and they are quite interesting.
Adam Mortara, who describes himself as Mitchell's "best intellectual buddy and law friend," was his classmate at Chicago, where, Mortara recalled, Mitchell's dream was to join the faculty. In their third year, they both took Federal Courts with David Strauss, a leading proponent of "living constitutionalism," the idea that constitutional meaning evolves along with changing social values. Led by Scalia, conservatives had for decades railed against living constitutionalism as an undisciplined approach that allowed unelected judges to impose their preferences on the populace under the guise of constitutional interpretation. But both Mitchell and Mortara told me that they consider Strauss one of their deepest influences. Strauss showed through his rigorous scholarship that originalism did not constrain judges to the extent that it claimed to, nor was it even the original method for interpreting the Constitution. Mitchell would later suggest in print that some of Scalia's opinions "were too quick to find an original meaning in cases where the historical evidence is at best conflicting or unclear." Rather than heartily embrace originalism, as many conservatives did, the duo gravitated toward suspicion of strong judicial review under any method.
As the article notes, Mitchell was briefly a tenure-track professor at George Mason (before it had become the Scalia Law School), but left to serve as the Texas Solicitor General. When he sought to return to academia, however, he had a difficult time.
Mitchell went on the academic job market again but received very little interest. (Strauss, his former professor, said, "I think it's mostly that his scholarship was so doctrinal and kind of narrow-feeling. I think in some places it's undoubtedly because of the politics.") Meanwhile, Trump's 2016 win meant a new Republican Administration was forming, which led him to pursue a job in the White House or the Justice Department. After working on the Trump transition team as a volunteer attorney reviewing draft executive orders, he was promised a senior position in the Office of Legal Counsel. But that, too, did not pan out. "I was vetoed by somebody for some reason. I don't know what or why," Mitchell said. He was then nominated to lead the Administrative Conference of the U.S., a little-known independent agency, but, after Democrats objected to him as too partisan, the nomination languished, with no Senate vote.
Mitchell said, "I needed to figure out something else to do." In 2018, just as a conservative majority solidified on the Supreme Court, he launched a solo law practice that has been active in dozens of suits involving conservative causes. As Goldsmith put it, "Suddenly he starts doing these strange cases. I thought they were strange cases. He didn't have a ton of trial-court litigation experience. But then suddenly he's filing all manner of amazingly consequential, imaginative lawsuits"—some of them on behalf of extreme cultural conservatives.
In one case, Mitchell prevailed in federal district court on behalf of Christian employers seeking a religious exemption from Title VII, the employment-discrimination law, in order to hire and fire according to their religious beliefs about homosexuality and transgender status. In another case, he successfully argued, on behalf of a Christian corporation owned by the G.O.P. donor Steven Hotze, that the Affordable Care Act's requirement that insurance providers cover H.I.V.-prevention drugs violates the company's religious freedom. He has offered to defend Sanctuary Cities for the Unborn ordinances at no cost to the cities. (Mitchell didn't deny that interested groups or individuals have funded his work, but he refused to name them.)
Mitchell said that some of the matters he handles are ones that the big law firms "would never touch with a ten-foot pole" for fear of offending liberals. His attitude has been, "Fine, I will bring those cases." And, "if big law firms were doing this stuff, I wouldn't have any clients," he said. "In a way, I think I found a niche." Mortara noted the irony that, if law schools whose left-wing faculties are displeased with Mitchell had given him a job years ago, he would have been busy trying to get tenure. "And then none of these things would have happened."
And then there is this discussion of Mitchell and one of his former mentors, Professor David Strauss.
Last spring, Mitchell and Mortara were walking on the University of Chicago campus after a Federalist Society event. They bumped into Strauss, their Federal Courts professor, who had been kind to them and for whom they have great esteem and affection. But, as they walked away from the chance meeting, the two shared the feeling that their teacher had seemed unhappy to see them. "It was hurtful . . . and eye-opening," Mortara said. "You're fine when you're just a yappy little dog that can't bite. But, if you grow up to be a big dog that can actually do stuff, then you're probably going to be put down." Mitchell wanted to think that Strauss was just tired or having a bad day.
Strauss told me that what happened was a slight delay in recognizing the two former students, the kind that occurs "when you see people you know perfectly well, but totally unexpectedly." But, he acknowledged, "maybe I did give off some kind of negativity, even though I didn't mean to be anything other than cordial." In truth, he told me, "I feel betrayed by Jonathan." Strauss had recommended him on the job market and "spent some time telling liberals at various schools that, while Jonathan had conservative instincts, he was absolutely a straight shooter, plenty of intellectual integrity, not at all a hack," he said. But S.B. 8 reminded Strauss of what Jim Crow states did before the federal civil-rights statutes were enacted: states could not discriminate on the basis of race, but private individuals could, "so of course all the discrimination got laundered through private action."
Strauss told me, "I'm disappointed that one of the best students I've ever had, whom I very much like personally, has used his enormous talents on behalf of right-wing litigation campaigns—not just S.B. 8—that I think are harmful to the law, and to the country." I asked Strauss how he would have felt if a former student had crafted the same tool as S.B. 8 in order to undermine gun rights. He paused for a long time, and then said, "I would think, as I do with Jonathan, that's a smart person, you're doing a smart thing. I'd think you shouldn't have done it."
The whole article is worth a read.
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This must be law academia, inside baseball, palace intrigue geek fest.
A lawyer doing lawyer stuff. ummm got it
"ortara noted the irony that, if law schools whose left-wing faculties are displeased with Mitchell had given him a job years ago, he would have been busy trying to get tenure. "And then none of these things would have happened."
It's not just law faculties....
It's also the UMass Board of Trustees,
Look what they've done with Dr. Ed 2!.
Well, I wasn't thinking of myself, but you may have a point.
I am by no means the most important nor the most vocal critic of that purgutorial cesspool.
They haven’t done anything notable since they appointed Whitey Bulger’s brother President of the University of Massachusetts.
Recognizing that an unlimited right to free taxpayer funded abortion clinics until birth (and sometimes after) on every street corner, is in fact not written on the back of the Constitution in invisible ink = BRINGING DOWN THE SUPREME COURT.
I’m a proud New Yorker subscriber and anything Ms. Suk Gersen writes is worth reading. But she is a Harvard Law professor and not a journalist. Missing in this depiction is any attempt to explain why Mitchell is the way he is. He is man possessed by a single idea, no matter what the real world consequences. He has a sheltered, within-the-profession mindset. Why is that?
He’s a bad person.
Maybe “soulless” is a better word.
Nah. Long ago I realized there is no point in euphemisms. Sometimes people are just bad people and there’s no point in pretending otherwise.
I assume Mitchell is an antisocial, on-the-spectrum, disaffected, friendless religious kook.
https://twitter.com/opinonhaver/status/1611184675665620993?s=46&t=A_nLiBStQOXq8rKKI2PHdg
I think this explains it. But the 40-50 year olds have prestige law degrees and are slightly more realistic so their machinations are all the more creepy.
In the end, they will all be roadkill — bigoted, gullible, delusional, downscale roadkill — along the journey of American progress.
I’m not as optimistic as you. They’ll be here for a long time.
That seems likely, but who cares? Have you ever notice how long roadkill lasts?
When I had an office more than 50 floors above street level, birds would occasionally leave remnants of prey (usually parts of other birds) on the ledges outside our windows. Decomposition (of bone, especially) sometimes required years of exposure.
Roadkill may be visible for a long time, but it's still just roadkill.
sounds like another of your Pre-versions Jerry. I drive, work in tall buildings, never noticed what the birds of pray are doing (you Shyster's have way too much time)
I guess that's why Ted Kenned Asphyxiated (NOT drowned, there's a difference) his victim, if he just hadn't driven his Oldsmobile off the "Dyke" Bridge (you can't make this stuff up) he'd have been golden in 72"
Frank "Who says there's not a Jay-hovah?"
It must aggravate the Conspirators that many (if not most) of their fans -- at an ostensibly "legal" blog -- are illiterate, bigoted assholes.
The bad people are liberals like you who worship baby killing and gay anal sex.
You literally advocate violence and mass murder! You are a bad person and have a personality disorder. Everyone in your life who you haven’t alienated can’t stand you. Go to therapy.
I understand the opposition to abortion, it's murder, got it. But why do you care what other people do with their dicks and butts? What possible reason is their to call it any of your business? Or to put it another way, if you feel justified in that, why do you object when liberals think it just cromulent that 10 year olds get gender mutilation surgery?
Why is one your business and the other not their business?
It's two things.
Primarily it's a matter of visceral disgust. And let's not pretend that a lot of existing laws aren't based on that, and nothing more. I agree that a law should require more than this. The legal system doesn't agree with me about that.
Secondarily, due to the way civil rights laws work, once something is declared a civil right, people who disapprove of it, (Bakers, for instance.) will be forced to be complicit in it.
So you're complicit in people not being persecuted and oppressed just for being gay? How viscerally disgusting for you.
Complicit?
I think the baker case is not sufficient excuse. You can take the bakery side, up to a point, without having to interfere with same-sex relationships in general.
You are positing a frictionless slope.
I'm not positing a frictionless slope, I'm positing the slope that demonstrably exists. It hardly needs to be frictionless when people are willing to put a lot of effort into pushing you down it.
I agree that involuntary servitude isn't a logically necessary consequence of 'gay rights'. It was a perfectly predictable consequence, and for a lot of people who might otherwise have said, "Fine, do what you want!" it makes the difference.
Your concept of involuntary servitude is ridiculous.
He's 100% right.
You're just as ridiculous.
These are your fans, Volokh Conspirators.
And the reason conservative law professors are not respected by mainstream America.
What a bad libertarian you are, Brett.
The system is bad so you can also be bad, plus the system may one day be bad so you can be bad now.
Thus can you rationalize any authoritarian move you want - just complain about future authoritarianism if you don't get oppressing now!
I'm a bad libertarian for clearing up Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf 's confusion? How's that work? He said he didn't understand something, and I tried to explain it for him.
I'm fine with people doing stupid and even disgusting things, if they're willing to leave me out of it. Too bad a critical mass of them aren't willing to. But if we could get rid of these damned public accommodation laws, or at least reduce them to some sane reach, have at it!
Just don't insist on doing it in front of children.
This would be fine if people hadn't used the personal revulsion they share with you as a pretext for mistreating people.
You also shouldn't be homophobic in front of children.
Just don’t insist on doing it in front of children.
Which is, of course, not happening.
You above aren't explaining, you're rationalizing. You don't say 'this is why people think this' you seem to be posting your own thoughts - including how public accommodation laws are forcing you into authoritarianism.
"Public accommodation laws" are authoritarianism!
Brett: "I’m fine with people doing stupid and even disgusting things, if they... don’t insist on doing it in front of children."
Gaslightr0 (fully justifying that moniker): ""Which is, of course, not happening."
Oh, yes it is.
I usually agree with you, but not here. Gay sex is entirely personal, even if prostitution is legalized, and in no way comparable to opening a business, unless that business is being a prostitute who advertises his specialty is butt sex and then refuses to service both sexes. And I would support his right to specialize, but the courts probably would not.
That's a flimsy comparison to florists and bakers and photographers. It has nothing to do with freedom of association.
On the other hand, you do say
and that I do agree with. The loss of freedom of association in favor of social engineering is one of the worst things to happen for civil rights. Mandated slavery -- mandated segregation -- mandated integration -- why not, instead, just stop mandating social engineering and let society develop on its own?
The Louisiana railroad and its patrons wanted integrated trains, the state said no, the courts said no, and it took 70 years to undo that. How long will it take to undo mandated integration and restore freedom?
This issue is not whether fags should be prevented from engaging in butt sex but whether others should be forced to subsidize their insurance against the medical consequences of doing so.
Some moron upthread said that Mitchell was a bad person for bringing a case to deny that proposition.
But the article says he won his case. So there's that.
Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf — By the way, with the new wars on penumbras, what are we to expect for the future of, "freedom of association?"
We spend more on AIDS than we do on Cancer and NASA combined.
AIDS could be rendered obsolete with selfish people would wear a condom.
My families insurance premiums are higher because I am in the same risk pool as homosexuals, therefore my family has to pay for selfish gay party drugs like PrEP, which only exist because homosexuals refuse to wear a condom.
Why should the cost of a persons private sexual pleasure be a burden on anyone else? It's so disgustingly selfish. Yet everyone has to get roped into the consequences because these filthy degenerates refuse to wear a condom.
everyone has to get roped into the consequences because these filthy degenerates refuse to wear a condom.
Just think, if everyone wore a condom, we'd save money because our insurer would hardly ever have to pay for pregnancy and childbirth.
And if all those degenerates quit smoking we'd save tons on lung cancer and heart disease.
And those other degenerates need to get off their fat asses and onto the treadmill, and stop eating cheeseburgers, too.
Why do you think those examples would change my mind?
Why should your private, personal lifestyle choices impose a burden on anyone else?
Fast food isn’t a necessity. Smoking isn’t a necessity. High-risk bareback sodomy isn’t a necessity.
Your family planning also should be your burden. Why are we forced into the same risk pools?
Denying the pandemic was real, opposing pandemic measures and spreading lies about the vaccines weren't necessities, but they imposed a hell of a burden.
Why are you bringing up Fauci during the AIDS epidemic?
Guess you'd have preferred it if he hadn't learned from his mistakes.
He obviously didn't. He funded COVID and GoF research, then lied about it, and lied about public safety and lied so much I can't believe that even you ignorant bootlickers still worship him.
I know, you’re in the ‘let the disease kill as many as it likes’ camp and feel betrayed because you thought he was one of you.
I promise you, I never thought that rich Federal lifer was "one of us".
Millionaire Federals are the US Elite Ruling Class. Definitely not "one of us".
Yeah, he only hit your radar when he decided the pandemic was real.
What point of time was when that happened? Can you pinpoint it?
Whenever your favourite swamp bubble said so.
So just more made bullNige.
Got it.
Oh sorry, you secretly LUUUUV Fauci but your swamp friends will tease you if they find out.
Why should your private, personal lifestyle choices impose a burden on anyone else?
So you basically think there should be no such thing as insurance (I mean in the real world, as opposed to a fantasy where the insurance company can carefully measure every individual's actuarial risk and price accordingly.)
It's perfectly possible to have insurance without compulsion - where everyone involved is doing it of their own free will. The insurers cover whatever they want to cover, consistent with their own wishes and their own consciences; and their customers buy the insurance cover they want, consistent wth their consciences, from the selection available. And if some people don't want to buy what other people want to sell, then they don't have to.
But none of this is about any of that. Because we have an insurance market where the government - backed up by police, bailiffs, court orders, fines, regulatory punishment etc - orders insurance companies as to what they may or may not sell, thus allowing buyers of insurance any color they like, so long as it's black. Even if the insurance companies would be happy to sell green, pink or orange insurance absent government prohibition. If you don't want black insurance, for whatever reason, religious or other, it's tough noogies time.
So, no, no one is against insurance per se. Some folk are against the government prohibiting willing insurance sellers and willing insurance buyers from entering into any contracts that the government disapproves of.
Lee Moore — Your first paragraph is rational to the extent you expect single-payer taxpayer-supplied insurance to pay the vast majority of medical costs—which predictably occur at a stage of life commercial insurers wisely avoid covering. I would be fine with that. Are you?
Lee,
Insurance markets, and especially health insurance markets, are prone to all sorts of problems, including outright failure, from asymmetric information issues. It's not like selling vegetables.
When I see a thread like that (every post muted) with about 30 alternating posts from 2 people I’ve muted because they’re just here for mindless bickering, I can just smile and move on.
People keep pointing out that a health system that relies mostly on private insurance is a shitty one.
Why on Earth do people believe that the institutions that pay $8000 for a toilet, single serve jelly-beans, and whose projects routinely cost billions over and take years longer would be a good choice to manage your healthcare?
It's like your Jesus on Toast. You just know in your heart of hearts government run healthcare won't be like government run schools, or government run housing, or government run defense, or government run prisons. No matter what your eyes see, your heart sees something different. Something magical that doesn't exist in reality.
It's bizarre.
Because it’s better than the fraud-ridden profit-driven insurance industry. The aspects of the health system you don’t like are still there, it’s just that there’s an entirely unnecessary middlemen interposed between you and it demanding your money. All those government-run things can be fine, or they can be bad. When you hand them over to to private rent-seekers, they get worse, and more expensive.
Who do you think has more waste, fraud, and inefficiencies? The government or a private company?
By the way, before the people in government forced me to do otherwise, I self-insured for non-catastrophic healthcare events. There was no middle man between me and getting a physical. The Democrats forced one in there.
Private companies that act as entirely unnecessary middle-men are entirely fraudulent, wasteful and inefficent.
The Democrats keep trying to reform a system that needs to be burned to the ground.
Insurance companries are unnecessary middleman? lmao, are you for real?
Quick question, if the federal government controlled all of our healthcare, is there a middle man between you and your doctor?
Obviously not, unless you treat the doctor as a middleman to you receiving healthcare, in which case it would be one less, utterly useless and expensive middle-man out of the way.
Would the government be a middle man between you and your doctor?
No, the government is paying the doctors and running the health service. That's the opposite of a middleman.
Do you really believe that a nationalized healthcare system will be you, your doctor, and a blank check for him to do whatever he wants or belives is best?
I seriously believe that you're more likley to get the treatment you need and not go bankrupt because of it, yeah.
You’re answering a different question than I asked.
What's stunning is that after watching the government kill millions with their COVID incompetency, you still believe that lol
You're a True Believer Bootlicker.
That’s what I think, not your version of what I think.
Oh, so now the government didn't do ENOUGH? Agreed! Probably would have helped if you lot hadn't squealed like pigs and vomited endless lies at every effort to save lives.
Yeah bullNige, it’s my fault the Federals failed us on the pandemic. They were totally listening to me and doing what I said!
How can you manage to simultaneously lick their boots and suck their balls?
And when the Federals get involved in your healthcare, they tell the doctors to do whatever is necessary and give them a blank check! Just like with Medicare and the VA! Total blank checks!
lmao
Are you an anti-vaxxer? Anti-masker? Anti any pandemic measure? If so, then, yes, you helped kill lots of people.
I know you think that people getting the treatment they need without going bankrupt is some sort of insane utopian dream because you’ve been effectively gaslit by insurance companies and Republican underfunding and sabotage of public services.
Who do you think killed more people:
A.) Me by not getting myself and my family vaccinated B.) Democrat governors by sending COVID positive patients into those senior nursing homes
?? I will ignore any comment that does not answer the question.
P.S. Socialized healthcare like Medicare and the VA are only bad because they are underfunded!!!! If only they were properly funded they would be great! lmao
Good grief, is that still true today? These days the US reports about 50 times as many cancer deaths as AIDS deaths, the latter currently sitting at about 1.75 per 100,000.
I'm not finding a lot of evidence for this.
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"The U.S. government investment in the domestic response to HIV has risen to more than $28 billion per year"
From hiv.gov
"The Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2023, allocated $7.3 billion to NCI, a $408 million increase over the FY 2022 enacted level, including $216 million for the NCI component of the Cancer Moonshot"
From cancer.gov
"Omnibus spending bill includes $24 billion for NASA for 2022"
From spacenews.com
I don't think you really looked very hard...
I suspect if he looked at all, he just silently redefined "a lot" to mean "more than I found."
Quit mind-reading.
And check out BCD's weak-ass offering here.
The U.S. government investment in the domestic response to HIV has risen to more than $28 billion per year, including discretionary spending as well as mandatory spending for Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security benefits, and other mandatory spending
Versus just the NCI.
This is not comparing like with like.
But keep analyzing what I'm thinking and taking BCD's shitposts as gospel.
An hour ago you couldn't find shit, all of a sudden you're an expert.
lol good one
NCI, at least, appears to spend more on other areas.
https://www.cancer.gov/about-nci/budget/fact-book/data/research-funding
It's pretty hard to tell if you're really dumb or really dishonest.
First, $24 billion plus $7 billion is $31 billion, which turns out to be more than $28 billion. So even taking your own numbers at face value, you're wrong. For that one we're going to have to stick with "dumb".
Second, the $28 billion includes any spending relating to HIV, including treating people with AIDS. Medicare alone spends something like $65 billion on cancer treatment (Medicare is about a third of total cancer spending, which is estimated to be $200 billion as of 2020). If you wanted to compare HIV research so that we're comparing like for like with the NCI line item, then the US government spends about $3 billion on HIV research, so less than half of what it spends on cancer research.
C'mon Man!
everyone (even if they don't admit it) gets squeeved out by the Homos, it's why kids play "Smear the Queer"
https://dysfunctionalliteracy.com/2021/09/07/old-things-that-are-tough-to-explain-playing-a-game-called-smear-the-queer/
and not "Smear the Heterosexual Kid"
And why the Red Cross doesn't take blood from Homos ("Men who've had Sex with Men (even once!)") until recently, which is just a BS PR move, because no way they're giving Pete Booty-Judges Corpuscles to anyone in Senescent Joe's family.
Why even our "Woke" youth call things they don't like (Work, Studying, Military Service) "Gay" (When did "Gay" even become a word for Homos? came "of Age" in the 1970's, oh we had words for the Cocksuckers, "Gay" wasn't one of them)
Frank "Sage, Seer, Soothsayer"
LTG...Why is he a bad person? Because of the cases he wins? Was Clarence Darrow 'bad'? Do you know him?
1) He thinks the ends justify the means, and damn the collateral damage to the system.
2) He is driven as much by spite as by ideology.
What are the people (some of them government officials!) persecuting Jack Phillips driven by?
"[Mitchell] is driven as much by spite as by ideology."
Gaslightr0's usual demand that we take claims of good faith by our betters at face value when they screw us over doesn't apply when it's time for HIM to display his mind reading skills.
'Course, the New Yorker writer goes to great lengths to provide evidence that Mitchell has been an opponent of Judicial Supremacy since at least when he was a college student, but never mind that.
He is a mouthpiece and strenuous advocate for bigots. I would bet my house (no mortage) that he is a bigot, too.
He also seems antisocial, difficult, and delusional.
That's a shitty person.
The way James Brown was?
The was Dr. MLK2 was?
"…why Mitchell is the way he is…"
Someone who doesn’t see himself as the center of the universe maybe?
It may be impossible for many of the regular commenters here to understand anything that isn’t a self-focused quest to proclaim himself one of The Good Guys.
What's it to you anyway? He’s apparently not seeking your approval.
What I don’t see is any attempt “to Bring Down the Supreme Court”.
He certainly had them scratching their heads. But of course you can see why they didn’t think they needed to totally resolve SB 8. By that time Dobbs was already on the docket, and the votes needed to cast down SB 8 knew that it would be mostly moot after Dobbs came out.
"...Mitchell... is [a] man possessed by a single idea, no matter what the real world consequences. He has a sheltered, within-the-profession mindset. Why is that?"
This perception is your brain on drugs.
The only thing you need to know about Jonathan Mitchell is that he is leading a suit arguing that rules requiring insurance coverage for HIV prevention meds violates “religious liberty.”
This is a bad person.
Good and normal people don’t spend any amount of their precious little time on this earth thinking about how to make any medication more expensive for people they don’t even know while using “religion” as an excuse. Yet he has apparently thought about it in great and excruciating detail.
Not all suits need to be brought and not all harms are real. But he has thought and brought this one. He is a bad person. Strauss was right to brush him off.
Ok, I stand corrected.
He probably sees funding HIV coverage in the same way hippies see funding the 'defense' industry. You could make just as good of an argument that certain opponents of the latter are spitefully leading to more deaths over their ideology.
Um no: the defense industry is actively thinking about how to kill and maim people efficiently. Trying to prevent HIV/AIDS is the exact opposite.
This is literally the worst comparison possible.
Maybe you’re just a bad person too. Sucks to suck.
No, the most expensive DoD stuff involves either stopping incoming ordinance, camouflage, or reducing collateral damage.
We've been able to kill everyone/everything within a square mile for decades now -- the goal is the one bad guy.
The most expensive DoD stuff are expensive money-funneling boondoggles.
You think missle defense, camo, and hardening are the expensive parts of the defense budget?
Not my area of expertise, but I know enough to know you're absolutely wrong.
If you want to be better informed, the 2023 budget request summary that all agencies put out is here:
https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/Documents/defbudget/FY2023/FY2023_Budget_Request_Overview_Book.pdf
S_0,
Missile defense has generally been a deep money pit. As embodies in the SDI, it was was of the most intellectually dishonest activities I had even seen in the DOD. My comments about it at the time got first page, above the fold coverage in the NYT and the lead editorial on day 2.
I have no idea about present day expenditures, but the analyses of missile defence done during the past several years by the MAerican Physics Society remain true.The systems a largely ineffective and easy to defeat by a sophiscated attacker, They also have little value against hypersonic cruise missiles such as Russia used in the Ukraine.
It used to be a deep money pit. But as if often the case with agencies, we are fickle in our spending:
From a quick Google, the budget of the Missle Defense Agency is: $9.6 billion of the $816.7 billion total budget.
No argument that it's a challenge well above our tech ability, and thus a waste of money.
"No argument that it’s a challenge well above our tech ability, and thus a waste of money."
Then we agree.
Seeing HIV funding that way is just an individual charachtaristic of his badness.
Good and normal people don’t spend any amount of their precious little time on this earth thinking about how to prevent the medical treatment of people born alive they don’t even know while using “women's rights” as an excuse or form groups dedicated to trolling through old social media for the express purpose of looking for people whose lives they can destroy. Yet some have apparently thought about it in great and excruciating detail.
I don’t know any pro lifers who have thought through the consequences of overruling Roe.
Just to take one example:
Will doctors, faced with a life threatening late term endangered fetus pregnancy, force a dying woman to give birth to a stillborn baby so that they can avoid being charged with murder of the baby?
If we're going to legislate our society entirely on the basis of what edge case horror stories the blue checks can dream up before the kinks are ironed out, every thing you guys want to implement should be tossed out first.
But you’re literally defending a guy whose entire mission is to gain a win on an edge case: insurance coverage for HIV meds. Keeping it costs him nothing. Taking it away costs others everything. But he’s thinking about how to destroy it. He’s a bad person with bad morals and people who defend him are bad people too.
I disagree with him on that. But before wagging the finger maybe you guys should look in the mirror and the all lives you callously sacrificed by blurring the true epidemiology/science of HIV spread over ideological concerns that it may be classed as a ‘gay man’s disease’. Unlike his stunt this probably did kill a bunch of people.
I disagree with him being a bad person. Wow. Great morality there. And the only people who glossed over HIV/AIDS were people who thought it WAS a gay peoples disease and were happy is was killing them. People like Jonathan Mitchell. Make no mistake: he wants them to die, that’s why he’s bringing this suit.
There is no question that HIV spreads among the gay male population at a dramatically higher rate than other groups. In any other disease this information would be front and center to save lives but here it was obfuscated for political reasons. You guys are so blatantly paranoid about political optics of HIV you even decriminalized its intentional spread. What compassion.
That was forty years ago. What’s happening today? People like Jonathan Mitchell want them to get HIV and die. People like you get giddy when a gay club is shot up. Nothing making you happier than a trans kid committing suicide. Own up to what you’re doing.
From the wildly high crime in urban areas to the lifestyle encouraged by the left which fueled the HIV epidemic a dispassionate look at the evidence suggests following progs is what actually kills people. Especially if you're one of the groups they claim to protect.
Wildly high crime that is helped by conservatives putting guns everywhere and destroying social services. Thanks.
You’re a party of death. We all know it now. The minute a disease threatened anyone you gave zero fucks. Own it dude.
'the lifestyle encouraged by the left which fueled the HIV epidemic'
Gay people had their own lifestyles, as they were and are entitled to, so unless you think HIV was God's judgement it was a human tragedy, prolonged and exacerbated by homophobia.
"Gay people had their own lifestyles, as they were and are entitled to, so unless you think HIV was God’s judgement it was a human tragedy, prolonged and exacerbated by homophobia."
You can call HIV God's judgement, or the natural working of cause and effect. But are you sure you want to call it a "tragedy"?
Tragedy:
"A drama or similar work, in which the main character is brought to ruin or otherwise suffers the extreme consequences of some tragic flaw or weakness of character."
Well, yeah, it was a tragedy, for the people who didn't get it from blood transfusions, or cheating spouses. It was "the extreme consequences of some tragic flaw or weakness of character."
What happened to the blood transfusion victims and victims of cheating spouses was more like an atrocity, not a tragedy: They were suffering extreme consequences of somebody else's weakness of character or bad decisions.
Yes, offical neglect, lack of proper screening because of a refusal to take it seriously because it was a ‘gay disease,’ the social stigma that attached to the disease itself because of homophobia and public ignorance. Most of it was down to poorly regulated private medical firms who went on to put the victims through years of legal hell. See also Hepatitis C.
"Yes, offical neglect, lack of proper screening because of a refusal to take it seriously because it was a ‘gay disease,’ the social stigma that attached to the disease itself because of homophobia and public ignorance."
Conveniently omitting any mention of how downplaying how you got it, supposedly to avoid creating a stigma, delayed any behavioral modification that might have saved lives.
It WAS a "gay disease", you idiot. Just like Monkey Pox. Lying about that to spare the feelings of gays was terrible medical practice.
And whose fault was that, the victims, or the people who turned it into a stigma so that people were denied treatment or kept infections hidden or remained ignorant of its transmission? It’s hard to take something seriously or be open about it when its viewed as either a joke, a judgement from God or as not happening, or even actively denied. The fact that it was a ‘gay disease’ should have triggered sympathy for the people it predominantly affected, not gloating and denunciation, institutional indifference and political malice. Similarly with monekypox, of course, but there’s something about gay people getting sick that make you people celebrate or sniff piously rather than commiserate. One thing HIV, the pandemic and mokeypox prove is your precious revulsion and dumb moralising need to be kept as far as possible from public health policy.
I have to pay more for auto insurance because I drive fast.
Gays should have to pay more for health insurance.
What are you on about? You still get assholes gloating about gay people catching HIV, and the homophobia was rampant back at its height, that was why the Reagan administration pretended it wasn't even happening, letting thousands die. There were others who denied that it was even real, proving there's very little new in the world. Objecting to using HIV as a vehicle for homophobia isn't mere 'political optics' and the people objecting weren't the ones not bothering to develop a treatment.
Hey wait to hear what Saint Fauci was doing with the AIDS epidemic
That was back when conservatives liked him, of course.
Then we found out how evil and incompetent he was. That's why there's the role reversal now. People like me now hate him, people like you keep one of his balls in your mouth 24x7 and excuse every crime he commits.
So you liked him evil and incompetent over AIDs and wanted more of the same for the pandemic.
Good thing he fulfilled our expectations!
That he personally leaked the coronavirus out the door of the lab and personally spit in every individual dose of vaccine? I’d say he did, yeah.
Reagan was gay friendly....
In any other disease this information would be front and center to save lives but here it was obfuscated for political reasons.
Are you serious?
Were you and Brett paying attention at the height of the AIDS crisis? There were endless reports, news stories, discussions, etc. about how it spread through unprotected gay sex. There was not some plan of lying about it. (I'm sure you'll come up with some outlier case, but that doesn't mean you are right. It just means there are outlier cases.)
You are making up history to suit your prejudices.
Two Words: Sam Kinnison....
I said I disagree with him.
Oh wow. And I disagree with The Joker. If you’re not going to question the fundamental moral failing of his position and the worldview it stems from, disagreeing is worthless.
Saying you agree but then going off about your own personal bugaboos is not really making you come off well.
Well let's hope he straightens out and earns your approval!
That's so important!
"people who defend him are bad people too"
The article says
"In another case, he *successfully* [emphasis added] argued, on behalf of a Christian corporation owned by the G.O.P. donor Steven Hotze, that the Affordable Care Act’s requirement that insurance providers cover H.I.V.-prevention drugs violates the company’s religious freedom."
So who were the bad people in the judiciary who ruled in his favor?
It's quite remarkable to see what things people are so incurious about, on a legal blog.
LTG : But you’re literally defending a guy whose entire mission is to gain a win on an edge case: insurance coverage for HIV meds. Keeping it costs him nothing. Taking it away costs others everything.
No, the case is not about “insurance coverage for HIV meds”, it’s about “banning insurance contracts that do not cover HIV meds.” Strictly, prophylactics.
There’s nothing about the case that prevents anyone selling insurance with this coverage, or prevents anyone buying such insurance. It is solely about compelling employers to buy it.
I note “keeping it costs him nothing” with interest. Do you think that is true for his clients ? Are these drugs effectively free ?
You are quibbling about functional equivalents. Distinctions without difference.
Sarcastro is unable to conceive of there being any difference between :
(a) very few carmakers wishing to sell, and very few car buyers wishing to buy, puce colored cars with orange roofs and
(b) the government banning the sale of puce colored cars with orange roofs.
Who could be surprised ?
I’m talking about a real life tragic situation and you can’t deal with it. You can’t deal with real life.
As usual when engaging with right wing commenters here, there’s no point in continuing this conversation.
You can’t reason with superstition, bigotry, or belligerent ignorance. It is pointless to try, perhaps counterproductive, maybe immoral. Instead, the sound course is to defeat these worthless right-wing assholes at the marketplace of ideas and in elections, and to continue to stomp their obsolete, bigoted, superstition-addled, deplorable preferences into irrelevance.
Maybe you can’t reason but they seem to get real pissed when you point out they suck. So there’s value in that at least.
No free swings, especially not for these deplorable, bigoted right-wingers.
Yes. Life threatening or not, after a certain point the only safe way to “remove” a baby from the uterus is by vaginal birth. C-section would also work of course but you want to avoid serious surgery if at all possible.
The only reason I know this is that 30-some years ago my sister-in-law had her first baby die in utero three weeks before her due date. She was induced and went through labor to deliver her dead son.
So your question is a non-question. Late term babies, dead or alive, will be removed from the womb by natural birth. If the mother is too weak to get through that, then they’ll try a C-section. This is common medical practice and the status of Roe has nothing to do with it.
The status of Roe has a lot to do with whether or not they go out of their way to kill the baby before delivering it, though.
No, not really. This discussion is about “late term” pregnancies. Most doctors are not too keen on terminating pregnancies involving entities that would be viable if born. If it has to be removed to save the mother, then they’ll normally try to save both.
Nobody is going to go “out of their way” to do otherwise. What would the purpose of that even be? Random cruelty?
Yeah, and most doctors aren’t abortionists, either. 6 states and DC legally permit elective abortions right up to delivery, and they don’t lack for people willing to perform them. For instance, in DC:
“If you are 26 weeks or later into your pregnancy, we can still see you, regardless of your medical history, background, or fetal indications. We do not require any particular “reason” to be seen here – if you would like to terminate your pregnancy, we support you in that decision.” They'll do it to "31 weeks and 6 days", for no more reason than that you want to, and infants are very viable at that point, are routinely delivered alive. And they don't care if you come from another state, and don't have parental approval, or even spousal approval.
These sort people will kill your baby right up until it lands on the delivery table, and sleep like a baby that night. It's no use pretending they don't exist. I found the above clinic in a few seconds.
Moloch demands it.
I should add that a number of other states, such as New York, nominally don't permit post-viability elective abortions, but in practice avoid doing anything that would prevent them.
That's because they're performed when the pregancy poses a risk to the life and health of the mother.
I SAID "elective", and meant it.
Go back and read that statement by the DC clinic. “If you are 26 weeks or later into your pregnancy, we can still see you, regardless of your medical history, background, or fetal indications. We do not require any particular “reason” to be seen here – if you would like to terminate your pregnancy, we support you in that decision.”
They don't freaking CARE why you want that viable infant dead. They don't require any risk to life and heath, just that you want it. (And that the check clear.)
All this "diversity" crap from left-wingers, then you up and deny that anybody could have motives you don't want to acknowledge, even when they come right out and brag of them.
Nige, there are people who are just fine with aborting an infant seconds from a healthy birth.. Or even minutes after one if they're confident they won't be caught. And they have plenty of enablers in state legislatures.
Nige, there are people who are just fine with aborting an infant seconds from a healthy birth.
Brett, you're as usual mixing telepathy with your overdramatic worldview.
A statement that a clinic is open to all in NY does not support the above. That's all you.
I read that. But the reason late-term procedures are performed is because the life and health of the mother is at risk. Ringing it round with legislation because you’re worried somebody pregnant for eight and a half months suddenly changes their mind is just going to put those mothers at even more risk.
'Nige, there are people who are just fine with aborting an infant seconds from a healthy birth.'
Fuuuuck off.
You two are just in total denial. 6 states and DC, ELECTIVE abortions are legal up to birth. ELECTIVE. Any reason you want.
Here's DC's abortion laws. No requirement for any sort of medical necessity, on the part of mother OR infant, totally elective right up to birth.
I quoted this clinic saying that they didn't require medical indications, just that you wanted the abortion. And at a point in pregnancy when live births are common!
Any you just stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes, and "La-la-la-la".
Yes, it's ugly, but it's an ugly reality.
Doesn't change the fact that late term abortions are done to save the life of the mother.
Doesn't change the assertion, anyway, because you're invulnerable to facts.
You really think the clinic reassures mothers that they don't actually need a reason to kill their baby, a whim is sufficient, because they never get anybody walking in their door with no medical case for needing an abortion at all? They just do it for yucks?
Women have given birth in toilets, drowned the baby and walked away. They've tossed babies in dumpsters, let them starve to death. When there isn't a state in the country where you can't unload a baby and the obligations easy as pie.
Whole cultures used to throw babies into furnaces, or leave unwanted babies on snow banks. And you think something has changed, and no woman would kill their baby for convenience?
Like I said, you guys rave about "diversity" but refuse to acknowledge that real diversity of motives is a thing. Evil is a real thing in the world, Nige, and it has its enablers. You're one of them, and just don't want to admit it.
‘They just do it for yucks?’
They do it to reassure mothers that they won’t have to justify having a life-saving late-term abortion to leering, moralising, purse-lipped misogynists. Speaking of Evil.
" leering, moralising, purse-lipped misogynists." who object to to women murdering babies. If that's the stuff of purse-lipped misogyny, I'll proudly be one.
Well, yeah, women’s lives being saved is ‘murdering babies,’ according to misogynists. I never doubted you were one for a second.
Yet again, they don't require that it be to save your life, or health, or because the fetus has a medical problem. They, expressly, don't care why you want the abortion, and DC law confirms that it's legal to get one for ANY reason right up to birth.
IOW, you're still diving deeper into denial.
Yet again, Brett, you have not established this with your quote. It's been explained why you're wrong a number of times in this thread, and has been in the past.
And you just can't get it.
Because for your the conclusion of Dems loving infanticide is too alluring for you to give it up.
You two are literally insane.
People murder, rape, steal. But pregnant women never, ever, EVER want an abortion for anything but medical reasons. Despite numerous influential voices saying that abortion is morally meaningless, that women are entitled to do it for any reason whatsoever at any point in pregnancy. Despite multiple legal jurisdictions expressly declaring it to be a right. Despite clinics saying right out that they don’t care if you don’t have a medical case for an abortion, or why you want one, just that you do. Despite pro-choice outfits like Guttenberg coming right out and saying that a lot of late term abortions are non-medical.
Because pregnancy makes you into a saint? Nah. Just because acknowledging reality is inconvenient, it causes your ideology to clash with your remaining sense of morality.
Women have to have good reasons for abortion. In every single instance! Because admitting the contrary might make you feel bad about fighting for them to be able to get them without good reasons.
Bringing in hypothetical superlatives when we did not is a strawman.
You are not arguing for truth, but for validation.
You are leaning a lot on this one quote to find secret 'Infanticide is OK by us' meaning, and it won't bear the weight. Not only are you parsing it in the most extreme way possible, it's just a fucking quote, man.
And you call us crazy.
Your sister’s situation was different because the baby was already dead.
You miss the point. Whatever the situation of the baby, the only way for it to come out is by some normal form of delivery. The presence or absence of Roe makes no difference.
Your contention that the absence of Roe would force mothers to go through delivery in “late term” situations (your phrasing) is crap because normal medical practice would require it either way. You’ve made up a grievance that will never exist.
Look up late term abortion. A tragic situation requiring the death of the fetus so as to save the life of the mother. Come back to me then.
You’re still missing the point of my response. You said that in some late term situations some mothers would be “forced to give birth”. And that is a situation created by the heartless people who overturned Roe.
But the people who overturned Roe had no impact on how late term babies are delivered. Or if you prefer, removed. Alive or dead, healthy mother or unhealthy. Late term, the only way for the (call it whatever you want it call it) to be removed from the uterus is by way of a normal birth process. Either through labor or c-section. It’s too damn late to do a D&C because the (whatever it is) is too damn big, plus it would be cruel.
Even if the baby has to be killed to save the life of the mother, which is massively rare at that stage, the mother will have to go through normal delivery (which could be c-section but is preferably labor) to remove it. It’s not cruelty or doctors covering their asses, it’s simple medical practice.
You’re blaming something that is the result of human biology on your political opponents. Yes, it’s an awful situation – unlike you I’ve experienced one of the many possible scenarios – but it is completely unrelated to Roe.
Are you simply not capable of seeing past your political hate to comprehend that?
You tried to turn it around, but you failed. Miserably. The conservatives will always be worse. Because the Jonathan Mitchells of the world are wondering how much sepsis is enough for a pregnancy to be terminated.
Nope, failing would be if I said something that I claimed to be a fact and was objectively proven wrong. You just claiming victory out of nowhere is simply one random internet opinion. But if you want to get all worked up about death caused for someone else's convenience using hard quantitative data I show around 73 million deaths per year caused by your side for abortion alone. How many do you got?
See the thing is: you don’t even believe 73 million people were murdered. If you did you’d at least do nothing but rail on Scott DeJarlais or Herschel Walker. But you don’t.
If you really believed that you wouldn’t be posting, you’d be taking direct violent action. The fact that comparatively few anti abortion violent acts occur, that the party supports men who have used force to get women to have abortions is evidence none of you believe that. It’s just a way to engage in moral balancing so you can justify any atrocity while telling yourself: at least I don’t kill babies.
But it’s surface level and you know it.
So all the death and injustice you guys talk about all the time either doesn't really exist or isn't as serious as you make it out to be. Okay thanks for the admission.
No it is. You’re doing moral balancing again.
Victory will involve pissing at the grave of your preferences with respect to abortion and many other issues, AmosArch. You are deplorable and, more important, a loser.
Good and normal people don’t spend any amount of their precious little time on this earth thinking about how to make any medication more expensive for people they don’t even know while using “religion” as an excuse.
There it is. You can't even imagine that anyone could really believe that using a constitutional guarantee of religious freedom to....protect religious freedom, is a reasonable thing for a lawyer to do.
You don't have to approve of murder to represent someone accused of murder in court. Even if you personally think he's guilty as hell. You don't have to approve of the 2nd amendment to take a case challenging a state law that offends it. You don't have to buy into the idea that funding HIV treatment is sinful, or that using peyote is a religious duty, in order to take a case challenging laws that make these things obligatory / forbidden to those who do think those things.
Are you one of those people who thinks the lawyers who represent persistent scumbag criminals are, ipso facto, scumbags themselves ?
Ever heard of Voltaire ?
Fuck off with this nonsense. “Religious Liberty” is a weak excuse to get out of paying pennies so that other people he hates can die more quickly. Seriously that’s what Mitchell wants. Fuck him. And fuck you for supporting this. People who think this is okay aren’t good or normal. If you told your friends and family you spend your time trying to make sure gay people can’t get HIV meds they’d spend less time with you. As they should.
There is actually a huge difference between representing someone the government wants to kill or cage for life and hold them to their burden and trying to take HIV meds away from people. You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. And Mitchell
Knows it too. Deep down I bet he despises himself.
When I read something like "a weak excuse to get out of paying pennies" I have to wonder why you think paying anything is justified; not to mention why paying anything for something the payer disagrees with is justified.
Econ 101 teaches us that demand will always exceed supply if wants are used to create that demand. I would love to have a bigger sailboat than I own and have multiple members of the Swedish Bikini Team as crew on that boat. Thing is I am stuck with what I can afford to buy with my limited resources.
I do get it that there are literally millions (probably billions) of peeps that would benefit from largeness offered by the West in general and the US in particular. Thing is that does not justify taking things from them.
Bottom line is a lot of what guys like Mitchell are fighting for is the ability of peeps to keep what they have earned and not have an over reaching government steal it from them and piss it away on things they object to.
Sounds like you’re just a selfish asshole who read Ayn Rand when he was 14 and never matured or developed a sense of moral responsibility. Thanks for the input.
Sounds like a cheap street thug that wants other people's money to fund what they think is right.
The truly selfish are those who refuse to pay for something themselves and insist on stealing other people's money to pay for it, without any regard for what those other people might do with their own money. The arrogance is astonishing: I know better than you what to do with your money, and I don't give a fig what you would have used it for if I hadn't stolen it from you.
That's okay if that's how you feel. Meanwhile, the money is being taken and used for things - which do you support, yachts for billionaires or medical drugs for people who can't afford them?
I support, voluntarily, what I deem worthy of support, not involuntarily what you deem worthy of others' support.
The number of people who become angry extremists because their weak solipsism can't handle living in a society that sometimes helps people who are not them is incredible.
The true debate, of course, being over both the actual and proper scope of "sometimes." The only people I know of that view it as all or nothing is your army of strawmen.
Except when asked about line drawing many in here either have no answer or argue all taxation is illegitimate,
Because their social contract is all one sided,
Who?
Alphabet. ragebot. The many who call taxes robbery.
Many on here are against any and all taxes, for moral reasons.
These are the zealots of selfishness I'm talking about.
Involuntary payment IS robbery. Why do you think it changes definition just because government paychecks are involved?
Thank you for proving my point about failing to understand society.
Thank you for proving my point about you being an authoritarian thug who approves of robbery when it favors you.
Ah yes, assuming the only motivation for someone's preferences are their own wallets.
How self-oriented you are.
No, I know that your motivation for your preferences is everyone else's wallets. You have so bragged time and again.
Yes, I think taxes are legitimate. Not quite the same as boasting about loving other people's wallets or whatever. I mean, I pay taxes too.
You seem to think taxes are morally monstrous. Because you are bad at living in a modern society for whatever reason.
And yet you won't move to a non-taxing jurisdiction like Somalia or whatever.
Sarc I can only speak for myself but I do understand there is a place for taxes. Right after the revolution taxes were needed for military for starters. There was also lots of agreement that taxes should pay for lighthouses (in some part because in some locales the locals would wreck ships to salvage the goods).
Fast forward to the Clinton era and Bill realized 'welfare queens' were not a popular use of tax dollars and made political hay out of it. Point is that while there is a lot of blame to go around a huge number of programs tax dollars are spent on would never be generally popular.
One of my pet peeves is EBTs/AKA foot stamps. Big food companies spend big bucks to lobby Congress so their products (often very unhealthy food, does anyone think potato chips are a healthy food group) can be included in what can be purchased with food stamps.
Both libs and pubs do seem to agree taxes are too high even if they don't agree on just which programs should be cut. This is the problem in determining where to draw the line. To me an even bigger issue is the last time I checked the feds are borrowing 42 cents of every dollar they spend, so it is not just taxes are used to waste money on things tax payers don't like the same goes for borrowing.
They can of course speak for themselves, but I don't read anything in this particular discussion as ruling out actual safety nets for people in actual need.
But we're so far from that today that there's probably not much visible airspace between opposition to the current level of waste/abuse/shameful vote buying and opposition to taxation altogether. So if you really are confused, I don't blame you much this time around.
Yeah, I didn't accuse you - you're not an extremist, just tiresome.
Nor did I say you did. So that's all cool, I guess -- if a bit unnecessary.
Now there's a belly laugh from the blackest pot on this board.
The number of people who cannot understand voluntary vs involuntary is even more incredible.
Congrats on being more extreme than Nozick.
Go read Atlas Shrugged again and pretend you're one of the Real Men.
You live in a society that is built on 'taking,' ie taxing. What's being judged is what you support those taxes being used for. If you want the money to be used for your boat full of foreign nationals, we can judge you on that; other people want the money to be spent on medicines. Fine, that sets out the disparity in values. Perhaps it's worth wondering exactly how many wealthy people's yachts with attractive crews, or other assorted luxuries, are, in fact, effectively paid for by taxpayers' money and how much they cost, versus how much is used to get lifesaving drugs to people who can't afford them. Meanwhile, is that yacht tax deduction still a thing?
"Meanwhile, is that yacht tax deduction still a thing?"
What is the yacht tax deduction?
It's the thing rich white liberals use to get everyone else to pay for greening their yachts.
Democrats love it.
Derp.
There used to be a luxury tax on buying yachts, Rep Patrick Kennedy (D-RI) fought to get it repealed because it caused a collosal mess:
"According to a study done for the Joint Economic Committee, the tax destroyed 330 jobs in jewelry manufacturing, 1,470 in the aircraft industry and 7,600 in the boating industry. The job losses cost the government a total of $24.2 million in unemployment benefits and lost income tax revenues. So the net effect of the taxes was a loss of $7.6 million in fiscal 1991, which means the government projection was off by $38.6 million."
https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-10-31-9910300436-story.html
Of course that's back when millions were more than a rounding error in the federal budget.
The one where Nige tries to convince libertarians that taking money to pay for stuff other people want is totes okay.
Libertarians? Where?!?!
Econ 101 teaches us that demand will always exceed supply if wants are used to create that demand.
Did you fail Econ 101, or just not take it?
Your sentence is incoherent.
The sentence is not the most elegant one I've ever seen, but the point is straightforward and fully in accordance with Econ 101.
Economic "demand" does not mean "stuff I want", it means "stuff I want and I'm willing and able to pay for."
That's why the "demand" curve slopes downward with increasing prices, obviously. The "want" curve is a straight horizontal line, by contrast.
Want is not invariant. Want is also not an economically captured quantity.
You're writing your own janky theory at this point.
"The sentence is not the most elegant one I’ve ever seen, but the point is straightforward and fully in accordance with Econ 101.
Economic “demand” does not mean “stuff I want”, it means “stuff I want and I’m willing and able to pay for.“"
I am not the most elegant word smith but have to add that the point I was trying to make is that 'demand' in the eyes of some is not just “stuff I want and I’m willing and able to pay for.“ but also stuff I want and expect someone else to pay for with tax dollars.
Economic “demand” does not mean “stuff I want”, it means “stuff I want and I’m willing and able to pay for.“
No. It is not a number at all.
It is, simply, the relationship between the price of a good and the quantity buyers will wish to purchase at that price. It's a schedule, or a curve, which does indeed slope downward.
However, Brett, it is also a "want curve." There is no distinction between wants and needs - there are only goods and the prices people are willing to pay for them.
"There is no distinction between wants and needs – there are only goods and the prices people are willing to pay for them."
When I took econ 101 in college, in the late 70's, I recall that the first thing the prof said to us, after introducing himself, was, (I'm paraphrasing here.) "We will not speak of "needs" in this class. Only "wants"."
So I agree that there's no difference between wants and needs in economics. Economics, simply does not address distinctions between wants.
But there is a distinction between "want" and demand, because people want a lot of things they won't lift a finger to get on account of the cost being too high. Call "want" that highest point of the demand curve at zero price, maybe.
I disagree with your implied premise that religious liberty is a minor value that should be given little weight in a policy discussion. (Or that "it only saves him a few pennies" is a good argument to compel someone to violate his religious beliefs.¹) But at the same time, it's irrelevant because the argument is bullshit. There are no sincere religious beliefs here. The guy was lying, perjuring himself if he said it under oath. This isn't like birth control, where there's a religious doctrine that says that the use of it is immoral; there is no religious doctrine for any religion anywhere that says that the use of these drugs² is immoral.
¹You seem to be implying with your word choice that he's using religious arguments as a pretext when his real reason is financial. But since we are talking pennies, it's obvious that his real reason isn't financial.
²As a minor point, it's not HIV treatment; it's HIV prevention. Specifically PrEP. Doesn't change the point; just trying to be accurate.
I disagree with your implied premise that religious liberty is a minor value that should be given little weight in a policy discussion. (Or that “it only saves him a few pennies” is a good argument to compel someone to violate his religious beliefs.¹)
It doesn't have to be a minor value at all for someone to think it shouldn't be given veto power (be regarded as a lexicographic preference) over all else.
PrEP costs $1000 a month. A condom costs virtually $0.
Why do we, as in society, have to pay $1000 a month when HIV can be prevented for free?
So distribute free condoms.
You think people don’t wear a condom because of the cost? Are you a virgin? Is that why you think that?
They don't do it because they want to catch an STD just to spite you.
Good ol' CCP/Democrat bootlicking Nige.
Oh of course, you guys want to make contraception illegal, I forgot.
Meanwhile, you people want to make not believing a "female penis" is a real thing illegal.
Meanwhile, here's a puff noxious gas from BTM's favourite bubble. It always gets a laugh from his pals!
Nieporent : There are no sincere religious beliefs here.
I way well be wrong, but my understanding was that to win a 1A religious liberty case, your religious belief had to be accepted by the court as sincere. Since he won his case, the judge obviously disagreed with you.
You are de jure correct but de facto wrong. Yes, sincerity is a formal element of a religious liberty (or RFRA) claim. But it's virtually never litigated, because the government can't win merely by showing that no religion actually has that tenet, or by showing that the belief is illogical or irrational, and "Come on; he's obviously lying" isn't a legal argument.¹ So in general, the government doesn't challenge that point; it fights these cases either on whether the rule in question is a burden on religious exercise, or on whether the government has a compelling interest in enforcing the rule.
But I'm not a judge, so I don't have to peruse the record to see what the evidence shows about their beliefs. I can say that they're lying because, come on, they're obviously lying. No religion teaches that one cannot take PrEP.
¹I do remember that there was a case decades ago in which a prisoner claimed his religion required him to eat cat food, and the courts did say, "Come on; he's obviously lying." And courts have rejected the claims of people trying to claim that they worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster, on the grounds of "Come on; they're obviously lying." But those were egregious cases.
I can say that they’re lying because, come on, they’re obviously lying. No religion teaches that one cannot take PrEP.
I feel sure that Hinduism does not teach that supplying a bolt gun to a farmer is, ipso facto, sinful. The problem comes if you are aware that the bolt gun is to be used by the recipient to stun cattle prior to slaughter.
I believe - and I may be wrong - that the law itself encompasses a similar principle, ie that an otherwise lawful deed may be regarded as unlawful, according to context. Thus lending your brother your pistol may generally be OK. But doing so immediately after your brother has screamed "Gimme your gun, I'm gonna shoot that m**********r in the f*****g head", may not.
So the claimed offense to religious sensibilities lies, I think, more in the expected use of the item, than in the item itself. And consequently the peril to the soul of the plaintiff is in the nature of an "aiding and abetting" offense.
Of course the fact that there are legitimate uses of the item, as well as illegitimate ones, is relevant - but also relevant is the use to which you actually expect the item to be put. Presumably the plaintiff is worried about aiding and abetting sodomy by supplying PrEP HIV drugs. And though no religion, so far as I am aware, has had anything much to say about PrEP, several have things to say about sodomy.
You are not making arguments, you're just being argumentative. It's a sophomoric approach, and I think you can do better, much better.
To be fair, he (or she etc) is obviously somewhat emotionally committed here, and is therefore understandably in a bit of a temper. Not ideal for a lawyer, as if you can't make an argument for what you disagree with, or against what you agree with, that betokens a lack of intellectual agility which probably isn't helpful when you're representing clients.
If you want someone to have HIV meds, pay for his HIV meds.
You want to steal from your neighbors to pay for them because ultimately you care as much or more about sticking it to your neighbors as you do about HIV meds. Forcing your neighbors into things is job #1.
The only thing you need to know about Jonathan Mitchell is that he is leading a suit arguing that rules requiring insurance coverage for HIV prevention meds violates “religious liberty.”
This is a bad person.
Hard to argue with that.
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HIV/AIDS is spread primarily through high-risk sodomy by homosexuals.
It's high-risk because the homosexuals refuse to wear a condom. They refuse to wear a condom because it decreases their sexual pleasure.
Why should that private, sexual choice impose a burden on anyone else? It shouldn't cost another even a wheat penny.
Instead of demanding everyone else chip in for the cost of this intimate pleasure, why don't you demand these homosexuals wear a condom? It's their private pleasure. It should be their burden. But instead, it costs society billions of dollars because these selfish homosexuals refuse to have safe sex practices.
Just look at Pride Pox. Pride Pox was going around and these filthy degenerates were still shitting in each others mouths and having high-risk sodomy with strangers. Why should that cost my family anything?
“Pride Pox was going around and these filthy degenerates were still shitting in each others mouths”
If they REALLY were doing that — absent some bizarrely-effective immune system — I could see some of them dead if not very sick. Fecal contamination of food is one of the most basic of public health concerns and that's just trace contamination.
E-Coli contamination of lettuce or in undercooked hamburg has been fatal -- and that's mere traces of it!
All sorts of dangerous stds are spread through unsafe sex, hardly restricted to homosexuals. So it’s more of a human problem than a homosexual one. It isn’t as if you guys support teaching teenagers about sex and sexual health, you much prefer them kept in ignorance, then blamed and reviled when something bad happens as a result. Spare us the old-time fire-and-brimstone preacher act, sweating with lascivious pleasure as you denounce in prurient detail the acts you claim to despise.
If only homosexuals knew what a condom was, they would use them!
Sincerely,
People who also think blacks are too stupid to get ID Everywhere
If only humans knew what safe sex was, stds and unwanted pregnancies would be a thing of the past.
Sadly, I don't think your comment was a joke. That's really what you believe. That the cause of STDs and unwanted pregnancies is because people don't know what a condom is.
No, but it is a more likely explanation than that they do it just to spite you, personally.
You think it's more likely that a person doesn't wear a condom because they don't know what one is over a person doesn't wear a condom because it reduces the pleasure of the sexual act?
Why are you so ignorant? Is it a choice, or do you have some brain defect that makes you that way?
Thank goodness, now there are TWO possible reasons, other than a desire to spite BCD.
What percentage of people do you think don't know what a condom is and can you describe the demographics of the typical one?
I don't know, what districts teach abstinence-only sex-education, or no sex-education at all?
Of course you seem to think the only place to learn about condoms is if some Democrat Groomer is teaching young children in their grade schools.
Nowhere else is possible.
Nige, the claim that BCD suggested that fags engage in unsafe sex in order to spite him is a retarded invention entirely your own.
In a free country, if my religion considers sodomy a sin, I ought to be able to buy my employees insurance for sinus infections but not sodomy.
I didn’t know you could insure for or against sodomy.
In a free country, people's access to health wouldn't be hostage to the whims and prejudices of their employers.
who do you think created that system?
Insurance companies.
Some weekend reading for oyu.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/upshot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html
Paywall protected. Does it matter how and why it came into being if everyone agrees it's terrible and needs to be scrapped?
The people who created the problem are the same ones you want to solve it. And the solution you want grants them even more power and control over us.
It’s such a neat trick that these people do. They make you suffer so you beg them for relief by granting them more and more power over you.
Oh, I agree, employee health insurance is a sticking plaster on a gushing wound.
The Federals aren't going to stop making your life miserable. Every time they harm a new constituency they create a new client group who becomes dependent upon them for relief.
Remember when they Socialismed student loans back in 2010? They created the crisis that they now use to get you to beg them for relief.
A client group who depend on them for relief? Like… insurance companies?
They didn’t socialise student loans, they were just too cowardly to make third level education free because everyone was still inexplicably operating under the delusion that the Republicans were the serious grown-ups when it came to the economy, or anything, and they would have been mad.
yes they did, you ignorant boob.
https://freebeacon.com/politics/waters-unaware-the-federal-government-nationalized-student-loans-in-2010/
You and Maxine Waters, two of the most ignorant people on this planet. At least she as an excuse, she's a Congresswoman.
You said 'socialismed,' you boob.
It's the same thing you retard.
Not really. They still should have made it free instead, though.
No True Socialism!
lmao good one
Not sure why you can't access it. I have no problem viewing it and am definitely not a NYT subscriber.
Funny (not really) how you can't be bothered.
Nope. Can’t.
You know who else couldn’t be bothered? Trump! Coming up with a healthcare plan, that is.
"Nope. Can’t."
Can't be bothered or can't access the story?
So Trump didn't but Biden (with a Dem House and Senate for two years) has?
Derp.
Biden doesn’t keep promising to unveil his perfect healthcare plan every other week.
Nige is WAY too busy grinding out his endless stream of unimaginative troll posts to bother learning about basic facts of online life like cookies and private browser windows.
Sorry I don't have your leet haxxor sklz.
Actually, I think NYT goes beyond that, and tracks your IP address, too.
Did that change recently? I don't recall seeing behavior that would suggest they were doing that, and it seems like that would be a mess for businesses and other large NAT groups with a single public-facing IP address.
The New York Times breaches user privacy by tracking private IP addresses
But I'd figured it out myself by observing the behavior on different computers.
Simple solution. Make insurance premiums deductible for employees, and allow them to form their own groups independent of employers. Having employers be the conduit for health insurance coverage (which is favored by the tax code, which does not tax such benefits but does tax wages if used to pay premiums by the employee) is a relic of the Depression and should be eliminated.
No reason people can't shop for health insurance they way they do for auto or home insurance. And groups should be allowed, which would increase the consumer's bargaining power.
Actually, a relic of WWII wage controls, I believe.
But, yes, the obvious solution is to give the insurance premiums the same tax status no matter where you get your insurance. Thus breaking the link between health care and employers.
From my post above: Genesis of employer sponsored health plans.
Mr. Bumble 1 day ago
Some weekend reading for oyu.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/upshot/the-real-reason-the-us-has-employer-sponsored-health-insurance.html
Behind a paywall.
Here is another one:
Are Employer-Sponsored Health Plans on Their Way Out?
https://hbr.org/2021/05/are-employer-sponsored-health-plans-on-their-way-out
LOL.
"In a free country…"
That’s what they don’t want. They want you to be free to have an opinion on what they force you to do and prohibit you from doing. But no freedom to decide anything based on your opinion. And no forum to publicly complain.
“Not all suits need to be brought and not all harms are real. But he has thought and brought this one. He is a bad person.”
Well Mitchell is hardly unique among lawyers for bringing unnecessary suits that do harm, from ADA racketeers, to patent and copyright trolls, to environmental lawyers trying to deny people gas to heat their homes.
The solution was proposed a long time ago: “The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers”.
The article says Mitchell WON his HIV drug insurance suit, which puts the kibosh on any claim that his bringing it was meretricious.
Rules requiring insurance coverage for HIV prevention meds violate business' freedom to craft attractive cost-effective employee benefit packages, and if he has to use the "religion" excuse to get a partial good effect I'm OK with that.
Watching Kevin McCarthy be thoroughly and repeatedly humiliated on the anniversary of the Republicans’ failed insurrection is beautiful.
This weakling isn’t fit to carry Nancy Pelosi’s handbag. So much for his proudly self-proclaimed ability to count, and for his competence, let alone his “leadership.”
(McHenry looks like a guy who would love to carry that handbag.)
Carry on, clingers. Until replacement. By your betters.
Kirkland may wish to reflect on Paul Ryan...
As I understood it, Paul Ryan did little to encourage, appease, or indulge the Freedom Caucus kooks.
He seemed to differ from John Boehner (similarly disinclined to treat Tea Party/MAGA/white supremacist clingers like respectable people) in that Boehner used a whip to address wingnut-generated problems, while Ryan was more a relationship guy.
But I do not recall Ryan placing his manhood in a purse and enabling a bunch of disaffected, antisocial yokels to use his balls as a pinata.
Kevin McCarthy is a guy with tiny balls whose brilliant plan was to let deplorable assholes like Boebert and Gaetz kick him in the groin for four of five days, then point to the swelling and proclaim 'look at how big my balls are.'
Well, Artie, that comment sure did age like a fine glass of warm milk. LOL
In what way have events made that comment look bad?
McCarthy predicted he would win a pending vote, telling a reporter it was "because he could count" -- then lost yet another leadership election because he and his allies couldn't count. He looked like a fool and a weakling because he is a fool and a weakling.
McCarthy has been revealed as a whorish lightweight and anything but a "leader." McCarthy not only isn't fit to carry Nancy Pelosi's handbag, but he also would need help carrying that handbag up a flight of stairs.
Is there anything this guy isn't an expert on? Dr. Ed 2, haven't heard any semi-plagiarized maritime stories from ER Snow.
lately. Those were at least amusing.
Snow plagiarized from my family's oral history.
I've never seen a more blatantly false statement of what Jim Crow states did, ever. Imagine being under the delusion that, say Louisiana's Separate Car Act (the law at issue in Plessy v. Ferguson) wasn't the state openly and explicitly discriminating on the basis of race when it openly and explicitly mandated separate cars for people distinguished solely on the basis of race.
So, the question here is, is it just Ms. Suk-Gersen and her editors who have demonstrated that they are blatantly unqualified to have opinions on any question more challenging than which entree they want to have for lunch, or does this accurately report severe ignorance on the part of Professor Strauss to the general discredit of the University of Chicago Law School?
You’re correct - that is a ridiculous statement. It wasn’t Hattiesburg Electric Company that was charging poll taxes or otherwise putting up restrictions to voting.
The fire hoses and dogs in Birmingham were not the property of Piggly Wiggly of Alabama.
If a law requires a private entity to act in a certain way, it’s not the private entity’s fault. Private entities don’t make or enforce the law, they’ve just got to obey them.
De facto discrimination was a thing and absolutely part of Jim Crow. And absolutely enabled by the judiciary.
Amazing how often I need to point that out.
His point is that a statement that says that during Jim Crow states could not discriminate based on race inaccurate. That’s how I interpret the statement he quoted, anyway.
And that’s obviously a ridiculous statement. George Wallace physically blocking the door at U of A was not a private entity at work.
Yep, Washington DC was segregated by law until the Eisenhower administration, neither Roosevelt nor Truman did a thing about it.
But Eisenhower vowed to end segregation in Washington DC in his first inaugural address, and mostly did so even before Brown, and outlawed discrimination in restaurants in DC a full decade before the civil rights act of ‘64.
Truman did desegregate the armed forces, though.
“Amazing how often I need to point that out.”
@Gaslightr0: The statement you are defending is, “before the federal civil-rights statutes were enacted…[S]tates could not discriminate on the basis of race, but private individuals could”.
Thanks for demonstrating that you are as much of an idiot as is Professor “Living Constitution” Strauss. We all know that but it’s good practice to keep pointing it out whenever your sneakers go for a walk down your gullet.
While I can appreciate the desire to look at this attorney from the perspective of his various attempts to join academia, looking at him solely from this angle effectively replaces substantive discussion of his opinions with insider-group chatter.
The article is very well written, and tries to balance both his personal career history and various opinions on the topic of judicial supremacy. I'd love an actual discussion on the latter. For example, the article quotes Mitchell as saying,
There's a lot to unpack right there. There is an unavoidable contradiction between the idea of self-governance and a single Court as the ultimate arbiter of that governance. I think what Mitchell is ultimately arguing for is a restoration of the balancing of competing claims of authority.
That's actually a very good thing, speaking as a normie. I don't want to live under what is effectively a judicial monarchy. Neither do I want to live under a rule where the federated powers are so weakened that we can't act as a unified nation.
Balance is obviously needed.
"We love 50 states experimenting, until we don't."
"“A court can ‘opine’ that a statute is unconstitutional and tell an official not to enforce it, but the statute nonetheless ‘remains a law until it is repealed by the legislature that enacted it.'”
Uncontroversially, this means that if another court later says, "Wait, no, this law is fine." the officials can return to enforcing it without the legislature having to enact a new law. Because the courts can't repeal laws, they can at most declare that enforcing them is illegal.
A personal profile is not going to be a legal discussion. That’s not unbalanced, that’s just what people want to read.
Though I will admit you won’t find many people writing about how we live in a judicial monarchy. Because that’s political grandstanding not a real thing.
The Court is final, but not the thing that effects you day to day.
"I don’t want to live under what is effectively a judicial monarchy."
A republic where almost all close elections are decided by organized ballot fraud is ultimately the same.
What he says in that quote seems a simple truth. SCOTUS opined in Roe, in effect, that Texas' abortion laws were "unconstitutional" but Dobbs has restored their enforceability, as I understand it. So, yes, they certainly "remained law".
"I'm disappointed that one of the best students I've ever had . . . has used his enormous talents on behalf of right-wing litigation campaigns"
Then you shouldn't be a teacher.
Why not?
"I asked Strauss how he would have felt if a former student had crafted the same tool as S.B. 8 in order to undermine gun rights. He paused for a long time, and then said, "I would think, as I do with Jonathan, that's a smart person, you're doing a smart thing. I'd think you shouldn't have done it.""
I've been unable to find any evidence that Straus has objected to California's fee shifting gun law, which IS exactly this scenario. IOW, it wasn't a hypothetical question. Can somebody help me out?
You elide the personal angle here. That's the whole issue, dude!
I'm observing the lack of evidence to confirm that he actually WOULD find such a thing objectionable.
That’s not how people work.
Someone you now and mentored may be held to a different standard than a rando.
Maybe not super rational but pretty normal.
Brett thinks Strauss is lying regarding his opinion if the California gun law thing, and absent evidence who knows?
Jesus Christ, bevis.
Ooh, word association!
Superstar?
Gasloghtr0's much-repeated position is that you have to ignore that Strauss and his ilk are obvious liars when they are that, or you're a bad person.
OTOH, the parallel between California’s gun law and SB8 is basically nonexistent.
You're buying into Brett's bullshit telepathy with your 'how can we know?' nonsense.
Nothing's sure, except that Brett's takes on what people are truly thinking is his partisanship writing a story; it has no connection to reality.
Gaslightr0 upthread: "“[Mitchell] is driven as much by spite as by ideology.”
Gaslightr0, now: "You’re buying into Brett’s bullshit telepathy..."
Gaslightr0 only buys into HIS OWN bullshit telepathy.
Yeah, well I’m not going to play that leftist game that not speaking out about an issue makes you complicit in its perpetuation.
But Roger Benitez neatly disposed of the CA fee shifting statute, and as much as said if SB 8 was in front of him, he would have taken the same approach.
EV wrote a post back when the SB 8 frenzy was happening and showed their are lots of statutes that allow lawsuits that could impair the exercise of constitutional rights and how the courts handle that without the end of the republic.
SB8 didn't impair the exercise of any Constitutional right.
At the time SB 8 passed, abortion was a court promulgated constitutional right, and SB 8 did impair it.
But let's be honest, it probably didn't impair it as much as NY, NJ, CA, MD, MA, DL and HI gun laws impaired it's citizens constitutional rights.
(a) But SCOTUS later admitted that TX was right and it WASN’T an actual Constitutional right, so. as I said, no Constitutional right was impaired.
(b) Further, even if the freedom to abort HAD been an actual Constitutional right SB8 suits, by the explicit terms of SB8, could not prevail until and unless SCOTUS reversed Casey. Abortionists were only affected to the extent that they realized that the “right” might now be in SCOTUS’ view bogus.
liberals believe there is a higher cause and the law and constitution can we tossed aside using illogical but emotional reasons. We need a ton of more diversity in law schools. Conservative/LIbertarian Italian, Irish, German and even Arab quota for profs is needed. overrepresentation by some groups who have marxist views should be addressed.
a Christian corporation owned by the G.O.P. donor Steven Hotze..
What exactly is a "Christian corporation?"
Does the corporation itself attend church, pray, etc.?
And how, other than this insurance BS, does it display its faith in its everyday activities?
I agree that the concept of a “Christian corporation” being sort of a weird, undefinable thing, Are there any Rastafarian companies? Wiccan companies?
As an answer to “how does it display”, though, remember that both Hobby Lobby and Chic-fil-a close on Sunday.
Given that Christianity makes up the largest religious population on Earth and Rastafarians one of the smallest (no info on Wiccans) it is more likely that you could find a Christian corporation.
"What exactly is a “Christian corporation?”
One owned by a Christian Church might be one answer
One owned by a Christian Church might be one answer
But Steven Hotze is not a Christian Church. And he hardly exemplifies what I would consider Christian virtues. Based on his Wikipedia page,/a> he's an anti-gay bigot, a charlatan, a RW crackpot, and a generally pretty loathesome character.
In 1976, Hotze graduated from the University of Texas Medical Branch with his Doctor of Medicine.[6] He promoted a series of claims with no basis in science, including that taking birth control pills made women "less attractive to men" and that "when men lose their testicles to disease or injury, they have difficulty reading a map, performing math problems and making decisions."[1] In December 2020, Vice described Hotze's medical practice as "hawking 'alternative treatments' for postpartum depression, aging, thyroid problems, and even COVID-19".[6] Hotze has promoted various fringe and pseudoscientific medical claims, such as the existence of "yeast hypersensitivity syndrome"; the use of colloidal silver as a cure for various diseases; and the use of non-standard drugs for hypothyroidism.[1] A seller of hormone therapy products,[7] Hotze gained wealth through a chain of "wellness centers" in Texas.[6] He asserted that his line of bioidentical hormones prevented cancer, a claim that lacks scientific support.
Hotze has promoted conspiracy theories such as QAnon[6][3] and has asserted that the COVID-19 pandemic was a "global ritual" to "inject experimental nano bots and chemi-kills into our bodies to alter our DNA using Artificial Intelligence (AI) technology to turn us into zombie-like, controlled masses and weapons of war."
Hotze has opposed homosexuality since at least 1986, once comparing "LGBT people to Nazis and pledg[ing] to drive 'homofascists' from Houston to San Francisco."
In March 2020, Hotze claimed that coronavirus disease 2019 was an invention of the "deep state" designed to sabotage the presidency of Donald Trump.
Just your standard Republican activist.
Read the whole thing.
Leaving Hotze aside, it is reasonable to call some corporations owned by Christian churches Christian corporations, but I assume such an organization would be involved in charitable, educational, or maybe missionary work, not ordinary for-profit business.
Huh ?
A for-profit business might be owned and managed by committed Christians who might run the company with particular respect to Christian teaching (or whichever branch thereof they adhere to.)
This might include - say
- not employing adulterers
- employing penitent criminals
- not opening on Sundays or on holidays (in the sense of holy days)
- not lying in sales material
- pasting uplifting biblical texts around the factory
and so on.
Why pretend that this is mysterious? The obviously intended definition of a CC is one owned by Christians who have occasion to, and do, consult their Christianity about how they try to operate their business.
Here's is a partial list of Muslim banks in the US, maybe they can explain it to you.
The Bank of Whittier
Amana Mutual Funds Trust
Manzil USA
American Finance House, LARIBA Bank
MSI Financial Services Corporation
I'm sure there is a much larger list of Muslim halal butchers.
One whose charter states they will follow Christian principles, and does say. A company that closes for business every Sunday and Christian holiday might be a good example.
Quote:
states could not discriminate on the basis of race, but private individuals could, "so of course all the discrimination got laundered through private action."
Gosh, that sounds exactly like what Elon Musk uncovered at Twitter with respect to free speech and the First Amendment.
Gosh, it sounds exactly like you have no idea what you’re talking about!
Gosh, it sounds exactly like you are determined to deny the obvious!
"that sounds exactly like what Elon Musk uncovered at Twitter with respect to free speech and the First Amendment."
Most Democrats are in favor of government partnerships to censor people who are not like them.
Rather than be part of the group piling onto this Mitchell exclusively, I will observe that Adam Mortara seems a comprehensive asshole, too.
Not compared with you, Stinky.
There is no question that Mr. Mitchell is a smart guy. His creation advanced his clients’ cause.
That said, even though I have said for many years before Dobbs that I think Roe was wrongly decided, I also don’t think a state can privatize its law enforcement in a manner that insulates all the state’s officials from judicial review in the manner Mr. Mitchell attempted to do, for much the same reasons why Southern states’ schemes to privatize their education and other systems in order to continue segregation in the years between Brown and the Civil Rights Act were rejected by the courts.
States can have private attornies general to supplement state officials, an approach accepted ws constitutional for many years. But complete privatization with no state nvolvement is just a scheme to evade judicial review.
This Mitchell guy sounds late to the party, devising a procedure to keep the lower federal courts from enforcing Roe v. Wade...just before the Supreme Court decided there would be no more Roe for the lower federal courts to enforce, anyway.
Leaving behind a most intriguing problem of federal jurisdiction.
Mitchell found a way around Ex Parte Young, which in turn was the Court finding a way around Hans v. Louisiana.
Hans v. Louisiana declared that since the 11th Amendment specifically prohibited citizens of *other* states from suing the states, then the states should be protected from suits by their *own* citizens, which isn't in the 11th Amendment but apparently comes in the penumbras and emanations of the 11th Amendment.
But if a citizen can't sue his own state, how can he get the lower federal courts to stop the states from oppressing him in state courts? Having created this problem for themselves, the Court solved the problem in the implausible logic-twisting decision of Ex Parte Young, when the real problem was the *Hans* decision.
But if the Hans decision is to be the law, to which Ex Parte Young is an exception, there's nothing nefarious with a clever attorney taking advantage of the court's own mistake and taking a state statute out of Ex Parte Young territory and putting it into Hans v. Louisiana territory.
If you want to freak out, freak about Hans v. Louisiana and about its use of penumbras and emanations from the 11th Amendment.
Eventually, maybe get rid of the 11th Amendment itself, so long as you're serious about states being judicially accountable just like private persons.
Oh, when you disappoint your college professors who thought you were going to spread the "gospel."
The underlying issue here as well is the jewish liberal academic and the catholic student. I had a jewish liberal macroeconomics prof in grad school. I enjoyed learning from him and even wrote a few published articles with him. He also helped me get my first corporate job. He was of course Keynesian and "living constitution" to the bone and I became an Austrian/libertarian. Post grad school I started to write and publish in various conservative/libertarian journals. Years later we met up again and I got the cold shoulder. He obviously felt I had gone over the dark side. Jewish liberal intellectuals have serious issues with Catholics who challenge them. I would bet this is part of the problem here as well.
Are you genuinely stupid and gullible enough to believe that fairy tales are true, Bill Falcon?
Adult-onset superstition is a terrible thing, except that it is part of the reason Republicans and conservative keep getting their asses kicked in the culture war by better, reasoning Americans.
The author of the New Yorker article writes, “Liberal legislatures have yet to test their own version of S.B. 8. (California has enacted an assault-weapons(sic) ban that features the same private-enforcement mechanism, but it does not pose the same challenge to the courts [why?].)” Which is not my memory of what occurred. IIRC the CA law allowed the CA AG to recover “costs” from anyone failing in a challenge to certain gun laws — no “private-enforcement mechanism” was involved. Which makes me wonder if Jeannie Suk Gersen (“…is a contributing writer to The New Yorker and a professor at Harvard Law School.”) just sucks at journalism and law and misquoted Strauss into a howler because (a) she sucks a journalism and (b) she sucks so badly at law and history that she didn’t recognize that it was a howler after she misheard it.
S.B. 8's chief "challenge to the courts" was that it didn't kick in until Roe was overturned. Of course, then it would be retroactive in application, which I thought had a snowball's chance in Hell of being upheld. But that made it really hard to get standing, as nobody was harmed until something speculative happened. You couldn't get somebody to collusively sue you under it, because until Roe was overturned they COULDN'T sue you.
The California law lacks that defense, and not just that one. It's more of a club, to SB 8's carefully sharpened dagger.
No, Brett, they both suck for the same reason. You were part of these discussions on how they were quite comparable. But as usual you've retconned to simplify things for yourself.
BB's explained quite clearly (as I have I, many times) why the TX and CA laws are wildly different, but you remain as implacably dumb as a box of rocks.
When the 9th Circuit struck down California’s law, it agreed with Brett. It said that the California law has features the Texas one doesn’t, including a cost-shifting provision that only permits plaintiffs to get costs, never defendants. It also authorized state officials to sue, which in turn permitted them to be sued.
While Mr. Mitchell had come up with a clever way to navigate existing precedent, requiring breaking new ground to defeat it, the California law showed no such attention to the Supreme Court’s caselaw, and could easily be struck down under existing law. There really is a difference.
“including a cost-shifting provision that only permits plaintiffs to get costs, never defendants.”
Actually, the Texas law has that feature, too.
“(i) Notwithstanding any other law, a court may not award costs or attorney ’s fees under the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure or any other rule adopted by the supreme court under Section 22.004, Government Code, to a defendant in an action brought under this section.”
I agree that feature was offensive, but I don’t think it was nearly as bad as this bit:
“(e) Notwithstanding any other law, the following are not a defense to an action brought under this section:
(3) a defendant ’s reliance on any court decision that has been overruled on appeal or by a subsequent court, even if that court decision had not been overruled when the defendant engaged in conduct that violates this subchapter;”
That’s the part that was just begging for a judicial curb stomp, IMO: Telling people they can’t safely rely on Supreme court rulings? The Court would really like that…
Really, the biggest problem, legally, with the California law, (Aside from deliberately targeting a constitutional right.) is that it explicitly stated that it would be void if a totally unrelated law in a different state were repealed. Try explaining the rational basis for THAT clause!
As Jonathan Mitchell is quoted explaining in the Atlantic article TX’s anti-abortion laws remain law even while the Federal courts prohibited their application. Thus everything SB8 prohibited after its passage was illegal even if the law explicitly recognized that it couldn’t be enforced until Casey was overturned. The practical effect of the law depended on abortionists and their enablers recognizing this. In the sense in which you are using the word prosecution is always “retroactive”, i.e. after the crime. But it’s not ex post facto. All the abortionists knew what TX’s law was. They just didn’t know for sure whether they could be sued (and for non SB8 anti=abortion laws, prosecuted) for their crimes. Turns out they can, AFAIK.
No; the laws may have remained 'on the books,' so to speak, but they were not law. A law that violates the constitution is no law at all. (Or, to quote the Supreme Court, "a Law repugnant to the Constitution is void." Not "unenforceable." Void.)
According to the Dobbs decision, anti-abortion laws are indeed law.