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One of the Criminal Charges Against the Loudoun County Superintendent Is Likely Unconstitutional
AP reports:
The former superintendent of a northern Virginia school system [Scott Ziegler] has been indicted on three misdemeanor charges by a special grand jury that investigated the response to two sexual assaults committed by a student last year….
The three misdemeanors against Ziegler include one count of false publication, one count of prohibited conduct related to alleged retaliation against a teacher, and one count of penalizing an employee for a court appearance.
The indictments, unsealed Monday, include few details, but the false publication count appears to relate to a statement Ziegler made in June 2021 denying that there had been any assaults occurring in school bathrooms. In fact, the first sexual assault occurred a month earlier in a bathroom stall at Stone Bridge High School, and emails show Ziegler had been made aware of it.
Ziegler later said he misunderstood the question….
The trouble is that the false publication statute likely violates the First Amendment (see also this article by Quin Hillyer [Washington Examiner]). The statute reads,
Any person who knowingly and willfully states, delivers or transmits by any means whatever to any publisher, or employee of a publisher, of any newspaper, magazine, or other publication or to any owner, or employee of an owner, of any radio station, television station, news service or cable service, any false and untrue statement, knowing the same to be false or untrue, concerning any person or corporation, with intent that the same shall be published, broadcast or otherwise disseminated, shall be guilty of a Class 3 misdemeanor.
Now if this were limited to false statements that tend to seriously damage someone's reputation, this would be a criminal libel statute, which is constitutional (see this recent First Circuit case and this earlier post of mine). But this also applies to statements about people and corporations that don't damage reputation, and indeed to false statements about oneself (since that's a statement about "any person").
And in U.S. v. Alvarez (2012), where the Court struck down the Stolen Valor Act, the Court concluded that false statements about oneself—and indeed many other kinds of false statements—are generally constitutionally protected. Under Alvarez's logic, the First Amendment would likewise protect many statements about other people that don't damage reputation or otherwise harm the person being talked about (a bit more on that below).
This means that the Virginia statute is unconstitutionally overbroad, because it covers a substantial amount of constitutionally protected speech. Narrower statutes banning specific kinds of lies are indeed constitutional. (I set aside the question when honest mistakes, whether reasonable or unreasonable, can be made civilly actionable or even criminalized; we're talking here about knowing falsehoods.) For instance,
- As I mentioned, laws banning lies that damage another's reputation are constitutional.
- So are laws banning lies that aim to defraud people of money (including, for instance, in charitable fundraising).
- So are laws banning lies within the context of commercial advertising.
- So are laws banning lies under oath.
- So (probably) are laws banning lies to government officials, whether police officers or otherwise, with regard to matters that they are dealing with in an official capacity; one example is 18 U.S.C. § 1001, which generally bans lies to federal government officials. (I looked to see whether Virginia has such a law as to statements to Virginia officials, and couldn't find it, and in any case there is no such charge in this indictment.)
- So (almost certainly) are laws that ban false statements about particular people and that are highly offensive and therefore distressing (this is the so-called "false light" tort), even if they don't damage reputation.
There are other examples as well, so a good many lies are indeed punishable. But the particular Virginia statute that's being used here is likely unconstitutionally overbroad. [UPDATE: Just to be clear, this means that it violates the First Amendment on its face, and thus can't be applied to Ziegler or to anyone else, even if Ziegler's speech might have been punishable using a narrower statute.] And while I can imagine a court trying to narrow the statute by limiting it to reputation-damaging lies, I don't think that would help this prosecution: I don't think Ziegler's statement was damaging the reputation of anyone he was talking about.
Note that I'm not speaking here to the other crimes that Ziegler is charged with, or to any other crimes with which he might conceivably be charged.
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Hm. But this is a false statement by a public official, concerning a matter of public importance, and relevant to his own work.
It strikes me that, while the law might be unconstitutional as generally applied, it stands a good chance of being found constitutional as applied to him. In a sense, it's work related speech, isn't it?
Just thinking the same thing. The lies interfere with the ability of the public and his supervisors (the Board of Ed?) to oversee his work. If there are sexual assaults going on in the area schools, that is something the public needs to know about it. Lying covers it up.
"Bored Lawyer" is right. I hope the court will not simply strike down the statute but will rewrite it to be narrow enough.
My point exactly, but I'd go further -- what about Sarbanes-Oxley and the statements that CEOs are required to make?
For that matter, what about lying to the IRS? Why can't someone lie about their income?
But as Brett points out, speaking as Superintendent is an official statement and hence he is falsifying an official record.
Wow! I wonder why they didn’t charge him with that though? Do you think there’s any possibility that the prosecutors in Virginia might have analyzed the situation more accurately than you just did?
Wow, why didn't anyone else think of that! Then no one would have to speculate in the comments! We wouldn't need any comments at all!!!
My guess is that the Virginia prosecutors did so in multiple dimensions — with a lot of tangential issues that none of us are aware of.
I can't speak to Virginia but can to Massachusetts -- the 1994 Ed Reform law, and the related contracts that superintendents have with their school districts have created a lot of messy situations. I know of a lot of districts who have literally had to buy out the remainder of a superintendent's (5 year) contract to get rid of him/her/it.
What none of us know is if the School Board knew about the rape and ordered him to lie about it. We don't know if a mandated report was filed or not -- and they may have told the school to lie. (I wouldn't put that past the Mass DC&F or Maine DHHS...)
We also don't know if the perp is (a) SPED and maybe (b) has an IEP. Disciplining SPED kids gets really REALLY messy unless you (school) were very careful in negotiating the IEP -- and even then....
Throw in the political landmine of the T and -- well -- we don't know how many dimensions the prosecutor is having to deal with.
Come on, what provides more comic relief than the braintrust of Brett and Dr. Ed getting together and analyzing legal issues?
Guys, I think it's a RICO.
I think it's a POBRE.
(For those who don't get it, try Google Translate from Spanish.)
Yes, by adding some appropriate limitations you could probably craft a constitutional statute that would still cover this defendant’s (alleged) conduct. But since the Virginia General Assembly hadn’t done that at the time of the defendant’s actions, that probably isn’t going to save this prosecution.
Sure, but grossly over-inclusive as it is, the law does have some constitutional applications, even if they didn't craft the law to only apply to them. Why should the court strike it down in a case where the application wouldn't be unconstitutional?
The Supreme Court's explanation is:
Secretary of State of Md. v. Joseph H. Munson Co., 467 U.S. 947, 958 (1984).
I'd also think this is in line with your typical attitude towards criminal law: if the legislature hasn't seen fit to enact a constitutionally-adequate statute, why should the prosecutor be able to constructively amend it ex post?
Well, this wouldn't be the prosecutor constructively amending it, just using it in one of the very few cases where it had a constitutional application.
The courts, strictly speaking, don't strike down laws. They declare that they weren't valid laws to begin with, and thus the courts won't treat them as such. But I'm somewhat troubled by the courts flatly refusing to treat a statute as a valid law in cases where the application wouldn't be unconstitutional.
Imagine an even more obviously unconstitutional statute—one that made it illegal to punish a newspaper at all, for example. Do you really think that a prosecutor should be able to defend a conviction by showing that (for instance) one of the statements in the newspaper was defamatory?
I'm a bit confused: How would such a law be unconstitutional?
You don't understand why it would be unconstitutional for the government to ban newspapers?
*publish
OK, that makes more sense. I should have figured it was a typo.
The immediate case isn't remotely analogous.
We're talking about conduct which is inherently objectionable. The law doesn't prohibit 'making statements', it prohibits 'knowingly and deliberately making false statements'. Deliberately lying to the public.
Your "prohibit publishing at all" scenario is more like the typical gun control law, banning harmless conduct on the theory that some tiny fraction of it causes harm. This law would be more like a law against killing people.
Now, I suppose by this reasoning, a law that just flatly prohibited killing people would be facially unconstitutional because it would chill legitimate conduct like self defense, or risky but vital surgery? Or would it just be unconstitutional as applied, to such cases? Isn't "overbreadth" doctrine limited to only the 1st amendment?
If they really thought it was defensible, wouldn't the courts apply it more widely?
This is wrong, Brett. Facially unconstitutional statutes are not rewritten to tailor them to only constitutional applications.
As noscitur noted, beyond the making courts act like legislators, this doctrine avoids some perverse incentives to pass overbroad statutes and let the courts sort it out.
But isn't "overbreadth" doctrine limited only to the 1st amendment? Rather than being a general doctrine applicable to any law that could chill constitutionally protected conduct?
I mean, 1A is enough.
Once again, the law is an institution of people and will not be the smooth consistent edifice you want.
Void for vagueness is a due process violation, and overlaps a great deal with overbreadth in application.
That in fact is what was (most smugly) done with the undeniably overbroad "obstruction of an official proceeding" over the past couple of years.
Actually, it was worse: because prosecutors needed a do-anything statute, the provision was literally plucked out of the middle of SarbOx and denied any context afforded or intended by the statutory scheme in which it appeared.
Many around here were quite vehement that it didn't matter how broad and vague the language might be applied, since it clearly could be applied to the conduct of some J6ers.
I'm not going to say that I remember for certain you were involved in those discussions, but it'd surprise me a bit if you weren't.
You don't get to ipse dixit overbreadth.
But your anger that the attempts to overthrow our democracy on Jan 06 makes you awful, so there is that.
That's pretty weak sauce, even for you. When this came up several months back I noted that on its face the language "Whoever corruptly . . . obstructs, influences, or impedes any official proceeding, or attempts to do so" could cover acts as trite as deliberately walking through a Congressional picnic on the National Mall or deliberately farting in the visitor's gallery while Congress was in session. I'm very comfortable you didn't engage back then, and I won't exactly hold my breath that you will now.
Charitably inserting enough words to form the English sentence I presume you intended, your insta-retreat into invective just further punctuates the fact that you have no rejoinder on the merits.
You say this other law not being discussed is overbroad. And then proceed to yell about it.
You can note all you want, but it has nothing to do with the OP and I'm not really going to engage much in how wrong and dumb you are. Sealioning won't get you very far.
In service of violent yahoos who broke into the Congress trying to stop our electoral process.
Yeah, I called that: more flailing invective; zero substance. Completely unsurprising -- your shtick requires you to never take any sort of real position on anything. TTFN.
possibly criminal intent to coverup / hide the crime. Interesting argument both ways
Brett Bellmore: Just to be clear, the fact that the law is substantially overbroad means that it violates the First Amendment on its face, and thus can't be applied to Ziegler or to anyone else -- even if Ziegler's speech might have been punishable using a narrower statute. [I've added an UPDATE to stress that point.]
That is the law, I believe. But if discussing it, a narrower law might well be Constitutional. Of course, teh judiciary could use some creative statutory constructive to narrow it enough to make it Constitutional.
Ah, you learn something new every day.
Certainly have an unsympathetic defendant at hand, if overbreadth was going to be scaled back by the Court, though.
Perhaps it could be tested with a defendant who lied, apparently repeatedly and throughout an extended period, about unlawful mishandling of classified information?
It's not classified if the President says it isn't.
Jack Kennedy presented highly-classified U-2 photos of Cuba to the United Nations -- the President can declassify.
Which president said that it isn't classified?
Trump isn't the president.
If he said it when he was, it counts.
And is there some reason to think that he did in fact say it? For instance, has he appeared at a court hearing where it would have been very much in his interest to say so if it were true? In that situation, what did he say?
To repeat what Prof V. wrote:
Regarding the unconstitutional prosecution of this a-hole--don't care. This thug didn't lift a finger to stop the persecution of the rape victim's father. Let him suffer the same fate.
We love the rule of law!
The victim isn’t as innocent as you might think — I looked into this when it happened and apparently this “girl” had engaged in one form of heterosexual sex that the victim considered consensual, but then he/she/it engaged in a different form that she didn’t consent to. Memory is that it was explicitly mentioned as sodomy.
Can I say that children shouldn’t be having sex, of any kind, in high school bathrooms?!? Can I just say that this is WRONG?
Now “‘no’ means no” and he (she, whatever) ought not have penetrated her in a way she didn’t want to be, and he/she/it should be prosecuted for it -- but memory is that they met in the bathroom for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts.
Personally, I’d expel them both — and there was a time when that would have been done…
...and there it is!
"The victim isn’t as innocent as you might think..."
This point was made, rather disappointingly, by many people when the story broke, including commenters on this blog.
There was also plenty of gaslighting claiming that Ziegler had not lied about the rape.
And there are rumors that her skirt was shorter than his.
Obviously, she was asking for it by being in the restroom wearing a short skirt.
#metoo #believeallwomen is so 2017!
No, Cindy -- she went into the restroom with the intent of having sex with him/her/it -- their meeting there had been prearranged.
And that's highly inappropriate and the school ought to have (a) been aware of and (b) dealt with that -- in part because it apparently wasn't the first time they'd gone there to do that.
The grand jury report said a teacher saw two pairs of feet in the stall but did nothing because it wasn't that unusual.
They could have stopped the assault but didn't because they'd already normalized sex in the stalls.
And the student raped the victim again after the teacher left.
There's no evidence to indicate that this teacher isn't still working at the school.
Why do people lie like this? That's not remotely an accurate description of what the grand jury reported. Here's what it actually says:
That is not even close to saying that "they’d already normalized sex in the stalls."
"That is not even close to saying that “they’d already normalized sex in the stalls.”
Nobody said that the grand jury report said that. It's a reasonable inference based on what the teacher admitted.
Unless you think there may be other ways to tell sex may be occurring in addition to 2 pairs of legs in the stall.
In that case, maybe listen to what the teacher said and don't make shit up and call it inference.
"Unless you think there may be other ways to tell sex may be occurring in addition to 2 pairs of legs in the stall."
Sure. If you think that, and it doesn't occur to you that they may have stopped whatever they were doing when the door opened, and that the teacher's claims were grossly implausible.
Failure to investigate two students in a restroom stall is grossly negligent, and in this case it resulted in the victim getting raped a second time.
Students: masters of sex ninjery.
For whatever reason you want this school to be a big sex orgy.
There is no such evidence.
Failure to investigate two students in a restroom stall is grossly negligent.
Good lord.
"Students: masters of sex ninjery."
I don't know about you, but I almost always stop having sex when the door of the room I'm in opens. I had no idea I was a sex ninja. Can I quote you on that?
"There is no such evidence."
Uh, except that evidence in the case at hand.
Stopping sex may not actually make your sex-having undetectable.
I don't understand why you are so committed to sexualizing this school.
Huh? It's the kids having sex and raping other students in the bathrooms, and the teachers and administrators who fail to prevent it, and people like yourself who are apologists for the failures, who create the situation.
In this case, a student was raping a girl in a stall in the girls' room. A "special education assistant" walked in during the rape. The student stopped the rape. The special education assistant said that she didn't intervene because the rape may just have been a student borrowing a tampon.
And when the special education assistant left, the student raped the victim again.
“Stopping sex may not actually make your sex-having undetectable.”
The teacher didn’t open the stall door, just observed two pairs of legs under it. The situation would be analogous to one of your children walking into the bedroom while you’re going at it under the sheets.
Except for the part where the teacher isn’t remotely that young and naïve, and knew damned well something illegal was going on, at most thought it was a different illegal thing.
A misdemeanor, sure, but a crime.
Why? Surely the teacher knows better than you do the likelihood of something nefarious happening vs. something innocuous happening.
"Surely the teacher knows better than you do the likelihood of something nefarious happening vs. something innocuous happening."
We're talking about a self-serving statement from teacher who failed to intervene and allowed a young girl to be raped in a bathroom stall while she was standing outside.
So now you're going to assume that the statement is all lies, so you can get to believing that this school is full of children having sex.
You're weird, TiP.
"So now you’re going to assume that the statement is all lies,"
Why are you humiliating yourself, to the point of claiming that a couple of students who stop having sex in a bathroom stall when a teacher enters would have to be sex-ninjas, to defend an implausible self-serving claim by a teacher who failed to stop a rape that was occurring under her nose?
I mean, I'm not an expert in tampon use, but I'm pretty sure that two girls don't have to be in the same stall for one to give the other a tampon.
It's not.
"It’s not."
Great thing about this country is that we can disagree about what inferences are reasonable.
But it wasn't a lie, as your earlier post claimed.
You got me. It was a special ed assistant, not a teacher.
There's still no good reason for a special ed teaching assistant to turn a blind eye to two pairs of legs in a high school bathroom stall, other than not wanting the hassle of interrupting two students having sex, and that includes the pretextual reasons the special ed teaching assistant claimed.
For this person who does not menstruate, can anyone explain how a period is better managed by crowding two people into a bathroom stall? Is this even remotely a plausible excuse from the school employee for simply moving along without some minimal followup inquiry?
Republicans have a very strange position here—rape is fine as long as it doesn’t happen in a bathroom in which one person is the wrong gender…so they are apparently fine with the boy sexually assaulting a girl in a classroom.
"Republicans have a very strange position here—rape is fine as long as it doesn’t happen in a bathroom in which one person is the wrong gender..."
Why do people lie like this?
Why do....Do you know know who this commenter is?
The victim's father was escorted out of the building and the superintendent was working on getting a no-trespass order against him, while the attacker was still at large in the building.
After the incident, the principal sent a message to the parents:
"There was an incident in the main office area today that required the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office to dispatch deputies to Stone Bridge. The incident was confined to the main office and the entrance area to the school. There was no threat to the safety of the student body."
Which was another lie.
I don't think that it's fair (from a notice standpoint) to have a law that is unconstitutional in pretty much every situation, but then has bite in one little area.
That said, this Ziegler guy gets everything that is coming to him.
Where's the charge for violating the "mandatory report" law? It seems to me that a whole bunch of people should be charged with that one.
"... In cases evidencing acts of rape, sodomy, or object sexual penetration as defined in Article 7 (§ 18.2-61 et seq.) of Chapter 4 of Title 18.2, a person who knowingly and intentionally fails to make the report required pursuant to this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor."
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title63.2/chapter15/section63.2-1509/
Now, it *is* possible that this was reported, as reports are not public.....
Where’s sweet little Christine McVie when you need her?
“(I looked to see whether Virginia has such a law as to statements to Virginia officials, and couldn’t find it, and in any case there is no such charge in this indictment.)”
Apparently restricted to protective orders, but still:
” § 19.2-152.16. False statement to law-enforcement officer, etc.; penalty. Any person who knowingly and willfully makes any materially false statement or representation to a law-enforcement officer or attorney for the Commonwealth who is in the course of conducting an investigation undertaken pursuant to this chapter is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.”
https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title19.2/chapter9.2/section19.2-152.16/
In other words, not an example of such a law.
Seems like there's some tension between Alverez and Time, Inc. v Hill.
It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
“I don’t think Ziegler’s statement was damaging the reputation of anyone he was talking about.”
Wouldn’t it damage the reputation of anyone who said there had been an assault? “See, you hater, that so-called assault never happened, the superintendent himself said it didn’t.”
No; that's not how defamation works. For a statement to be actionable it has to be reasonably be interpreted as 'of and concerning' a specific person or a small identifiable group of people. You can't make a general statement and then say, "It defames everyone on the planet who said something different."
Is there any record of facial or as-applied challenges to this statute? Any record of successful prosecutions?
If it's really slam-dunk unconstitutional, I think those answers would have to be yes and no.
Westlaw shows no challenges to the law (successful or otherwise).
Thanks!
When he lied about the abuse, he harmed the reputation of the father who correctly claimed their WAS abuse
Again, not how defamation works.