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Second Amendment Challenge to University of Michigan Gun Ban
In today's Wade v Univ. of Michigan, the Michigan Supreme Court sent a challenge to the University of Michigan's gun ban back to the Court of Appeals, for consideration in light of N.Y. State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n v. Bruen. The Court didn't issue an opinion, but Justice David Viviano had an interesting concurrence:
The Court today remands to the Court of Appeals an important case concerning the constitutionality of the University of Michigan's prohibition of firearms on campus. The United States Supreme Court recently elucidated the structure of the required analysis in New York State Rifle & Pistol Ass'n, Inc v Bruen (2022). I write to offer a few thoughts about how that analysis might apply here.
Presently, the University of Michigan bans firearms on campus unless, among a few other exceptions, the University's Director of Public Safety waives the prohibition for an individual "based on extraordinary circumstances." Plaintiff has challenged that ban on firearms as a violation of his Second Amendment right to bear arms….
[I]t is not at all apparent that Heller's brief discussion of sensitive places was intended to establish a rule that all entities historically known as "schools" could permissibly ban firearms, meaning the only question that would remain for future cases is whether the entity at issue was considered a "school." Nor is it even clear that the Court meant to include universities and colleges in its reference to "schools," let alone to say that such locations can completely ban firearms. See Note, Guns on Campus: Continuing Controversy, 38 J C & U L 663, 667-668 (2012) (noting that Heller did not address guns on university campuses or define "schools" to include higher education)….
[The Supreme Court's Bruen test] requires courts to examine any historical analogues of the modern regulation to determine how these types of regulations were viewed. If there are no such analogues on the societal problem at issue, that historical silence "is relevant evidence that the challenged regulation is inconsistent with the Second Amendment." "Likewise," the Court continued, "if earlier generations addressed the societal problem, but did so through materially different means, that also could be evidence that a modern regulation is unconstitutional." Further, if regulations like the one at issue had been proposed and "rejected on constitutional grounds, that rejection surely would provide some probative evidence of unconstitutionality." At base, the analysis requires "reasoning by analogy," which means the court must determine "whether a historical regulation is a proper analogue for a distinctly modern firearm regulation" by assessing "whether the two regulations are 'relevantly similar.' " In this assessment, two metrics are useful: "how and why the regulations burden a law-abiding citizen's right to armed self-defense." But the modern regulation need not be "a dead ringer for historical precursors . . . ."
In the present case, I believe there are at least two historical investigations needed to determine whether the University of Michigan's firearm regulation is constitutional. First, the Court of Appeals should consider whether there were any analogous firearm regulations on university and college campuses in the relevant historical period. In my own initial review of historical laws concerning campus carry, I have come across a few that contain partial restrictions of guns on campus. {See 1878 Miss Laws, ch 46, § 4 ("[A]ny student of any university, college or school, who shall carry concealed, in whole or in part, any weapon of the kind or description in the first section of this Act described, or any teacher, instructor, or professor who shall, knowingly, suffer or permit any such weapon to be carried by any student or pupil, shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor, and, on conviction, be fined not exceeding three hundred dollars, and if the fine and costs are not paid, condemned to hard labor under the direction of the board of supervisors or of the court."); 1879 Mo RS, ch 24, § 1276 (prohibiting the discharge of a firearm "in the immediate vicinity of . . . [a] building used for school or college purposes"); 2 1883 Wis Sess Laws 841, ch 184, tit 12, § 162 (amending the city charter of Neenah to prohibit individuals within a "school house" or any "building" within the city from firing a gun); see also 1890 Okla Territorial Statutes, ch 25, art 47, § 7 ("It shall be unlawful for any person, except a peace officer, to carry into any church or religious assembly, any school room or other place where persons are assembled for public worship, for amusement, or for educational or scientific purposes, or into any circus, show or public exhibition of any kind, or into any ball room, or to any social party or social gathering, or to any election, or to any place where intoxicating liquors are sold, or to any political convention, or to any other public assembly, any of the weapons designated in sections one and two of this article.").} The secondary literature notes the prevalence of gun restrictions on campus in the colonial and early republic periods, but like the laws just mentioned, none seems to have been a campuswide ban generally prohibiting open or concealed carry. {See Kopel & Greenlee, The "Sensitive Places" Doctrine: Locational Limits on the Right to Bear Arms, 13 Charleston L Rev 205, 249-252 (2018) (noting nineteenth-century campus firearms restrictions and arguing that none of them supported the designation of campuses as sensitive places where arms could be banned); see also Rostron, The Second Amendment on Campus, 14 Geo J L & Pub Pol'y 245, 255-257 (2016); Brady, "Campus-Carry" Laws on Public College Campuses: Can Social Science Research Inform State Legislative Decision-Making?, 350 Ed Law Rep 1, 6 (2018).}
In addition to more thoroughly researching historical restrictions in this context, the parties and the Court of Appeals should assess whether the more limited regulations noted above are nonetheless historically analogous to the modern regulation at issue here. Do they burden the right to self-defense in the same manner and for the same purposes? And of course, any relevant historical discussion of these regulations, or the broader right of college-aged adults to bear firearms, should be examined. See, e.g., Firearms Policy Coalition, Inc v McCraw, F Supp 3d (ND Tex, 2022) (Case No 4:21-cv-1245-P) (examining the text and history of the Second Amendment and holding unconstitutional a prohibition on 18- to 20-year-olds from carrying a handgun outside the home for self-defense).
I believe a second historical inquiry is required in this case. Even if certain restrictions were historically permitted on college campuses, another important question arises: are large modern campuses like the University of Michigan's so dispersed and multifaceted that a total campus ban would now cover areas that historically would not have had any restrictions? In other words, are historical campuses the best analogy for the modern campus? It appears that campuses have always contained expansive outdoor settings. And some early schools, like the College of Philadelphia (1754), might have had a more modern feel, with "buildings scattered amid ordinary city blocks[.]"
Nonetheless, it seems apparent that large, modern university campuses differ from their historical antecedents. Many are involved in urban planning with mixed-use projects that include shops and nonstudent residences. The University of Michigan itself occupies nearly one-tenth of Ann Arbor. Many areas on campus, such as roadways, open areas, shopping districts, or restaurants, might not fit the "sensitive place" model suggested by Heller—they may instead be more historically analogous to other locations that did not have gun restrictions. And because the campus is so entwined with the surrounding community, the ban might also burden carrying rights on locations outside campus, as many individuals will regularly go from campus to off-campus environments, even in a single trip; because they cannot bring a gun on campus, they will not feasibly be able to bring the gun to the off-campus locations either. {See, e.g., Note, Rethinking the Nevada Campus Protection Act: Future Challenges & Reaching a Legislative Compromise, 15 Nev L J 389, 421-422 (2014) ("Current laws and university policies that prohibit any degree of campus carry leave [carrying a concealed firearm] permit holders defenseless anywhere between college campuses and home. The professor that stops for groceries after work; the student that stops for gas across the street from campus; these are the real and unfortunately less documented dangers of 'no permission to campus carry' states."); id. at 425 ("The line that separates some universities from public property is fuzzy, and attempting to classify universities as a 'sensitive place' poses a significant problem. Universities are typically intermingled with other services and public property."); Guns on Campus, 38 J C & U L at 675 ("Additionally, some colleges and universities do not have the clearly defined perimeters that high schools, middle schools, and elementary schools usually have. Some colleges and universities span across city-scapes and mix with metropolitan areas. The physical layout of some colleges and universities can easily create confusion for individuals trying to determine if they are on campus or off campus at any given point. For example, public roads often run through college campuses. Could a public road be considered a sensitive school area subject to a reasonable regulation, or would the street merely be part of the public landscape where the same regulation would be unreasonable?").}
I believe that these considerations are necessary in the present case when applying the governing framework from Bruen. Because they require careful analysis of historical materials, I agree that a remand is appropriate.
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Quite a tangled web to restrict an enumerated right, "which shall not be infringed".
Oh man, you should see First Amendment jurisprudence! Or Eighth! Or Fourth!
Really only the 3rd has the untangled legal landscape that bespeaks true freedom.
Gun absolutists are among my favorite culture war casualties (alongside anti-abortion absolutists, white nationalists, and gullible gay-bashers).
I hope the backlash against gun nuttery does not overrun entitlement to possess a reasonable gun for self-defense in the home.
So you think the right to defend your person only exists within "the home"?
Armed citizens interfere with the "Reverends" "proclivities"
University of Michigan.
Did you ever notice how, to "win the culture war", you need massive encampments of government-funded places, with government censorship rules or money will be pulled, and "regulation by raised eyebrow" or your career suffers?
I don’t know about true freedom for the 3rd. “Police don’t count as troops, so get to take over your home as a base of operations.”
But you see it's not tangled like the Second Amendment, so I'm pretty sure that means the right is being given the correct level of deference, as Mr. Bumble requires.
Whats there to tangle?, there's a right, don't infringe it.
Define "arms".
This historical stuff just seems a bit whimsical.
I note no mention of the numerous school shooting teams, and kids who used to bring their personal weapons to school for competitions. I've only heard of it for K-12, presumably for the higher grades only, but there must have been college competitions too.
I know one guy whose single mother was working on her masters and used to drop him off at the college shooting center in lieu of him staying at home all summer; he claims he spent all summer shooting there all day, and his marksmanship now makes it believable.
"there must have been college competitions too."
Yup! One of many hits searching for 'Harvard Pistol Team':
"The Pistol Club, with a 6-1 league record, will meet M.I.T. in a Greater Boston Pistol League match tonight.
The club was defeated by the Engineers in their last shooting meet, 1297-1269. Tonight's prospects seem better, however, since graduate students and freshmen can participate because it is not an intercollegiate match."
...or here is the 1957 Collegiate All Star Rifle Team, hailing from a wide range of colleges.
C'mon Man! that was 1957 when Sleepy Joe was beating up "Corn Pop", Barry Hussein America was just a Dream of his Father, and Both of their favorite West Vir-ginny Senator Robert KKK Bird still could fit into his Klan robes. (speaking of WVA Senators, how long until Man-chin switches sides? I'm guessing day after #34 wins his Runoff.
Frank
I know my college back in the 70's had a gun range on campus. I don't think that was particularly uncommon at the time.
I'd note that old laws prohibiting concealed carry are not terribly relevant, as they generally permitted guns to be carried openly. At the time it was widely thought that concealing a firearm was something criminals did, honest people carried them out in the open. So concealed carry was thought to indicate criminal intent.
It’s also not clear to me that Heller or Bruen were intended to allow the government to outlaw guns in ALL government buildings. Courthouses and the Pentagon, sure. But, for example, is the USPS really a government building? What about the parking lots? What is the historical analogue for that? If parking lots are allowed to be prohibited places, then you really can’t carry and go about your day.
What about visitor centers in national parks? It's not clear to me what government purpose is being satisfied by allowing guns on trails, but not in bathrooms, much less a compelling one.
I think the simplest and most defensible rule is that they can only bar guns from areas with restricted entry, and if some provision is made for checking a lawfully carried gun while you're in the area.
If you're promulgating a rule that people can't legally carry in an area, while not lifting a finger to stop people from illegally carrying, you're obviously not concerned about criminals. You just want to disarm the law abiding, and are fine with the criminals remaining armed.
Disarming the law abiding while not caring if criminals are armed can't be a rational goal of government policy.
The other factor, of course, is, what are people lawfully carrying to do, if you bar them from a place they otherwise have a right to enter? Aren't you constructively barring them from lawfully carrying where they ARE entitled to carry?
From this we can deduce an obligation to provide a way to check your gun, too.
I'm sure U of M won't want to follow these guidelines. But, realistically, that's because their goal is just infringing the right.
While I agree with you, I don't see the current judiciary doing anything to implement a measure like that. Too many squishy Northeasterners like Kavanagh and Roberts for that.
Honestly, I don't, either. Just reasoning where the logic OUGHT to lead.
Actually their goal is less people getting shot.
No, it's not. If it was, they would not make excuses for black criminals and release them without bail. They also wouldn't subsidize single black motherhood, the single largest contributor to gun crime.
If that were their actual goal, then you would expect them to advocate for policies which achieve that result. They don't. The hypothesis which fits the available data is that that's merely a pretext.
“If they wanted less people shot why wouldn’t they implement my preferred policies that let anyone and everyone have weapons to kill a lot of people anytime instead of the effective policies used across the globe! Therefore they must not want less people shot!”
This concurrence seems a whole lot like an advisory opinion to me.
Even if it is, so what? Federal courts can't issue advisory opinions, but that doesn't mean state courts can't.
So close to the safe line too. Ann Arbor must be a tich on the big side if the University has a no no policy in place as opposed to a vault or locked storage on campus.
Ask Virginia Tech if people will obey firearms bans on campus.
Let them have guns but require students to maintain liability insurance for carrying. Anyone with a gun visiting campus should have proof of insurance as well. you have a right to keep and bare arms, and that wouldn't be infringed. You don't have a right for the rest of society to subsidize the risks of gun ownership by picking up the tab for medical expenses and funerals that result when you shoot someone.
You're an idiot. And a disingenuous one at that.
Why? I'm being serious. You need insurance for cars if you hit someone. Why shouldn't it be the case for guns?
No, you need insurance for cars if you hit someone BY ACCIDENT. Your car insurance doesn't cover if you intentionally use the car as a weapon to run someone over. Gun insurance would cover accidents only, not intentional torts. But you know that, of course. You're just trying to require a form of insurance no one will underwrite so that you can extinguish the right.
In any case, rights are not subject to insurance requirements.
Do you have any idea how many accidental shootings there are in the United States?
"In any case, rights are not subject to insurance requirements."
Citation needed.
Okay fine. Ann Arbor can impose a tax on gun ownership. And the funds collected can be used to pay for medical and funeral expenses for people shot in Ann Arbor, intentionally or otherwise.
Or better yet a firearm or ammuniution excise taxes can support a nationwide insurance program for victims of gun violence.
I mean is it really your position that gun violence victims should have to pick up the tab for something that gun owners are responsible for?
I mean is it really your position that gun violence victims should have to pick up the tab for something that gun owners are responsible for?
C’mon. How long have you been discussing this question?
Should we expect knife owners to cover knife crime victims? Hammer owners?
Legal gun owners aren’t much the problem.
A gun is used legally until it is not and has limited utility compared to a hammers or knives. It can only shoot bullets.
Their intended use, to kill, is much more dangerous than the intended and every day use if knives and hammers. To claim otherwise requires delusion or blatant lying.
What would you rather have happen: you a gun owner pay a small excise tax that goes into a fund or a small insurance premium to pay for expenses. Or have a kid paralyzed by a gun have to pay for that the rest of his life in terms of insurance premiums? Or have his family pay. Or go into bankruptcy. Or beg for money on GoFundMe. Or pay for a funeral?
I mean if you aren't willing to pay a little to relive that burden on the person who did nothing wrong, then you're just kind of a shitty person.
You're sort of a shitty person yourself. Why not execute the murderer who uses a gun, sell his body parts on the Chinese Black Market, and give the profits to the victim's family? Or give them (body parts) to the family for their own entertainment. And some of us have 50-60 guns (and I'm a piker, I know guys who have hundreds) so any "Common Sense" regulation/infringement gets onerous, and it's academic anyway, because like with Ill-legal Drugs, (see Biden, Hunter) nobody's gonna pay attention to your bullshit rules anyway,
Frank "Bang!"
No. I’m a good person who has morals and stuff and thinks about other people.
No, you're just another closeted fascist that thinks their view of the world is the only one that should count. After all, you're always the smartest guy in the room and it's; "For the Greater Good".
In Middle School they must have really done a job on you in Dodge Ball.
No you are just another immoral person that attempts to blame crime victims and inflict additional punishment upon them, rather than deal with the actual criminal - either the thief or the one that uses a stolen gun in a violent crime.
Deaths from firearms accidents are extremely rare where more that 100,000 million households contain firearms, there are less than 500 accidental gun deaths in the US. And that doesn’t even subtract the gun accidents caused by police and military that you have no problem possessing guns. https://www.nssf.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/NSSF-IIR-Firearm-Related-Accident-Statistics.pdf And the stats don’t separate out licensed and vetted law abiding gun carriers from the unlicensed slobs and crooks who eff up with their illegal guns. In sum, a licensed conceal carrier is of little danger as a matter of countrywide public policy. Find another topic to fear monger.
I actually have a problem with police possessing guns btw.
Grifhunter — Your math is off—100,000 million is normally expressed as 100 billion. I will take your comment to have intended 100 million households.
Medical reporting shows approximately 100,000 medically treated gunshot wounds annually (excluding fatalities). You insist 500 were accidental, and 99,500 were inflicted deliberately? Let's go with that.
What is the service life of a gun? Fifty years at least. Thus, over the service life of these households' guns, we expect 4,975,000 deliberate shootings—a medically-treated shooting probability of nearly 5 percent per gun-owning household.
That is not self-evidently an encouraging statistic. If statistics show that notably more than one-percent of gun advocates (we do not know how many gun advocates to allocate per-household; if it were one advocate per gun-owning household, it would be nearly five percent of gun advocates) will end up someday shooting and wounding (or killing) someone. Can you see why that would make some folks nervous about advocacy to further increase gun prevalence?
Looking at the 2020 (most recent) WISQARS numbers for numbers of unintentional deaths:
firearms 535
pedal cycles 1260
residential fire 2564
drowning 4589
suffocation 6768
motor vehicle 42339
poisoning 87404
Hard to have a discussion with you on this issue when you continue to dissemble and obfuscate.
There is no evidence that legal gun owners are responsible anything but a small fraction of what you refer to as gun violence.
"Okay fine. Ann Arbor can impose a tax on gun ownership."
So your answer is to tax law abiding citizens to pay for the actions of criminals?
"I mean is it really your position that gun violence victims should have to pick up the tab for something that gun owners are responsible for?"
This is the case every day with some victims paying the ultimate price, their life, because of the actions of ILLEGAL gun owners.
"There is no evidence that legal gun owners are responsible anything but a small fraction of what you refer to as gun violence."
Where do you think guns come from? They're all initially purchased legally by someone. Eventually a gun owner does something illegal. Or it is stolen and they do something illegal. And legal gun ownership does not prevent accidental discharge.
"So your answer is to tax law abiding citizens to pay for the actions of criminals?"
We do it all the time. taxes pay for prisons and jails, victims services, etc etc etc.
"This is the case every day with some victims paying the ultimate price, their life, because of the actions of ILLEGAL gun owners."
You know that shooters often by their guns legally, right? They just did illegal things with it, i.e. murder. They don't become an illegal gun owner when they start shooting. The ownership is still legal! The Uvalde shooter legally bought the guns and ammunition used!
And again if they obtained the gun illegally, that means a legal gun owner likely 1) illegally gave it to them, thus not being responsible, or 2) didn't secure it in a responsible way such that it couldn't be stolen.
By that standard, why shouldn't law abiding blacks have to pay a tax to cover the cost of black crime? Are you just a shitty person?
No. You are. Because you’re racist.
Instead of making specious claims to support "gun control" in contravention of the Constitution and SC rulings, why don't you just state your position plainly and leave it at that?
You might also move to ban automobiles from being allowed, since they can and are stolen and used in the commission of crime which might result in injury or death to innocent partie.
Which Supreme Court ruling said you can’t have a firearm excise tax?
The number of accidental shootings is a) negligible and b) already covered by insurance.
On the other hand, gun violence victims already have someone they can hold accountable for their harms - the criminal who hurt them. An insurance requirement placed on law-abiding gun owners will never pay off to the victim of a gun crime - because criminals don't buy the insurance.
You're getting closer with your call for a tax - and you show your hand as a totalitarian since you would never tolerate an equivalent tax to vote or on any of the tools to exercise any other constitutional right.
Taxpayers and victims already pay the costs for crimes. Always have and always will. There is nothing special about gun crimes that justifies restricting the rights of law-abiding gun owners.
You don’t know what totalitarianism is, do you? Read Juan Linz for a good primer.
Every instance ever of the term, "law-abiding gun owners," is an egregious example of question begging. To have any meaning, a gun control discussion must presume the possibility of illegal gun use. When you try to condition the discussion on a demand that the vast majority of gun owners have zero chance to commit crimes, that is not factual. It is just refusal to engage.
Every instance ever of the term, “law-abiding citizen” is an egregious example of question begging.
Skippy, virtually all homeowners and renter insurance policies cover accidents from guns. Your scheme would do nothing.
Come on man, to coin a phase. This is law school 101. Murdock v. Pennsylvania. You can't tax a Constitutional Right.
There’s been a sales tax on pistols since 1911. 26 USC 4181. If it was that unconstitutional it would have come up by now.
Nah, there are a lot of old gun laws around from before the Supreme court admitted that the 2nd amendment meant what it said, that the Court is in no hurry at all to look at again. And 2nd amendment activists have a target rich environment for legal challenges.
We shouldn't need it for cars either. I've been driving for 45 years, no accidents, a few tickets in my younger days (and I make a point of driving at least 100mph every day, if only for a few seconds, you age slower the faster you go (HT Einstein)) my Insurance company loves me!. 2 wrongs don't make a right.
What is the first thing they teach you in driver's education?
Driving is a ___, not a ___.
In California it was the "10-2" Position (and Mr. Leck the Ass-sistant Principal, who also taught Dr. Ed (never heard of "Driver's Ed" before moving to the Left Coast, first day was wondering who this "Doctor Ed" was) had absolutely no sense of humor if asked about the "6-9" position. They had "full motion" simulators (it was 1977, consisted of a movie showing on coming traffic) and best of all, the "Snuff film" of 1977, "Signal 30", "Mechanized Death" "Hot Wheels to Hell"(might have been a Tarantino movie) before you got to take your road test
Frank
You need insurance for your car when driving on a public road.
Governments could presumably impose a similar requirement for people shooting at a public gun range.
Or bringing a gun into a public place. You get it.
You don't, actually. Some places make you pay a fee for being uninsured instead.
Of course, driving a car is not the same as carrying but not using a gun, and public owned roads are not the same as places the public is allowed to go, but little details like that aren't important when the gun grabbers get going.
First, the US constitution does not include an enumerated right to own a car that and operate it in public. (Note that auto insurance licensing, and registration is not required by the government for operating a car on private property)
Second, is there any historical precedent for a requirement to buy insurance to carry a firearm in public?
Third, the requirement that one have insurance to operate a car on public roads is a fairly recent requirement in most states. I believe that prior to 1956 (when New York instituted a requirement for auto insurance) that only one state required auto insurance. Of course just as those riding a bicycle or walking down the street are financially responsible for injuries and property damage they cause due to negligence etc, automobile drivers were long held responsible also.
Perhaps we should also require anyone who expresses an opinion in a public place to also have insurance? Not that long ago there seemed to be a strong correlation between expression of BLM opinions in public areas and looting, fires, blocking of public roads w/o authorization, and even personal injury and death. Maybe all those participating in a protest in a public place should be required to carry $5M of liability insurance?
Why not "in order to obtain an exception, a government must show compelling interest and no easier way to achieve that interest"?
Because that would mean that 95% of gun laws are doomed. And the leftist government can't have that.
I would argue that it must not only be easier (that is, less intrusive) but also must be demonstrated to be effective at achieving the compelling interest.
The 1st Amendment restrictions don't seem whimsical.
You also have to consider the fact that early on SCOTUS didn't consider the BOR amendments to apply to the states.
So while the federal government wasn't supposed to restrict your speech, the states could do whatever they wanted.
That didn't change until the 14th amendment and even then, SCOTUS dragged it's feet at applying the BOR amendments to the states until the early 20th century and then took a piecemeal approach to it.
Seems to suggest that basing current law on historic practice might yield a soft foundation.