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November 7 as Victims of Communism Day - 2022
I have long advocated using May 1 for this purpose. But November 7 is a worthy alternative candidate, which I am happy to adopt if it can attract a broad consensus.

NOTE: The following post is largely adapted from last year's November 7 post on the same subject.
Since 2007, I have advocated designating May 1 as an international Victims of Communism Day. The May 1 date was not my original idea. But I have probably devoted more time and effort to it than any other commentator. In my view, May 1 is the best possible date for this purpose because it is the day that communists themselves used to celebrate their ideology, and because it is associated with communism as a global phenomenon, not with any particular communist regime, such as that of the USSR. However, I have also long recognized that it might make sense to adapt another date for Victims of Communism Day, if it turns out that some other date can attract a broader consensus behind it. The best should not be the enemy of the good.
As detailed in my May 1 post from 2019, November 7 is probably the best such alternative, and in recent years it has begun to attract considerable support. Unlike May 1, this choice is unlikely to be contested by trade unionists and other devotees of the pre-Communist May 1 holiday. While I remain unpersuaded by their objections on substantive grounds, pragmatic considerations suggest that an alternative date is worth considering, if it can sidestep objections and thereby attract broader support.
The November 7 option is not without its own downsides. From an American standpoint, one obvious one is that it will sometimes fall close to election day, as is the case this year. On such occasions, a November 7 Victims of Communism Day might not attract as much attention as it deserves, because many will - understandably - be focused on electoral politics instead. Nonetheless, November 7 remains the best alternative to May 1.
For that reason, I am - once again - doing a Victims of Communism Day post on November 7, in addition to the one I do on May 1. If November 7 continues to attract more support, I may eventually switch to that date exclusively. But, for the time being, I reserve the options of returning to an exclusive focus on May 1, doing annual posts on both days, or switching to some third option should there be another date that attracts a broader consensus than either May 1 or November 7.
In addition to its growing popularity, November 7 is a worthy alternative because it is the anniversary of the day that the very first communist regime was established in Russia. All subsequent communist regimes were at least in large part inspired by it, and based many of their institutions and policies on the Soviet model.
The Soviet Union did not have the highest death toll of any communist regime. That dubious distinction belongs to the People's Republic of China. North Korea has probably surpassed the USSR in the sheer extent of totalitarian control over everyday life. Pol Pot's Cambodia may have surpassed it in terms of the degree of sadistic cruelty and torture practiced by the regime, though this is admittedly very difficult to measure. But all of these tyrannies - and more - were at least to a large extent variations on the Soviet original.
Having explained why November 7 is worthy of consideration as an alternative date, it only remains to remind readers of the more general case for having a Victims of Communism Day. The following is adopted from this year's May 1 Victims of Communism Day post, and some of its predecessors:
The Black Book of Communism estimates the total number of victims of communist regimes at 80 to 100 million dead, greater than that caused by all other twentieth century tyrannies combined. We appropriately have a Holocaust Memorial Day. It is equally appropriate to commemorate the victims of the twentieth century's other great totalitarian tyranny.
Our comparative neglect of communist crimes has serious costs. Victims of Communism Day can serve the dual purpose of appropriately commemorating the millions of victims, and diminishing the likelihood that such atrocities will recur. Just as Holocaust Memorial Day and other similar events promote awareness of the dangers of racism, anti-Semitism, and radical nationalism, so Victims of Communism Day can increase awareness of the dangers of left-wing forms of totalitarianism, and government domination of the economy and civil society.
While communism is most closely associated with Russia, where the first communist regime was established, it had equally horrendous effects in other nations around the world. The highest death toll for a communist regime was not in Russia, but in China. Mao Zedong's Great Leap Forward was likely the biggest episode of mass murder in the entire history of the world.
November 7, 2017 was the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik seizure of power in Russia, which led to the establishment of the first-ever communist regime. On that day, I put up a post outlining some of the lessons to be learned from a century of experience with communism. The post explains why most of the horrors perpetrated by communist regimes were intrinsic elements of the system. For the most part, they cannot be ascribed to circumstantial factors, such as flawed individual leaders, peculiarities of Russian and Chinese culture, or the absence of democracy. The latter probably did make the situation worse than it might have been otherwise. But, for reasons I explained in the same post, some form of dictatorship or oligarchy is probably inevitable in a socialist economic system in which the government controls all or nearly all of the economy.
While the influence of communist ideology has declined greatly since its mid-twentieth century peak, it is far from dead. Largely unreformed communist regimes remain in power in Cuba and North Korea. In Venezuela, the Marxist government's socialist policies have resulted in political repression, the starvation of children, and a massive refugee crisis—the biggest in the history of the Western hemisphere.
In Russia, the authoritarian regime of former KGB Colonel Vladimir Putin has embarked on a wholesale whitewashing of communism's historical record. Putin's brutal war on Ukraine is primarily based on Russian nationalist ideology, rather than that of the Soviet Union. Nonetheless, the failure of post-Soviet Russia to fully reckon with its oppressive Soviet past is likely one of the reasons why Putin's regime came to power, and engaged in its own atrocities.
In China, the Communist Party remains in power (albeit after having abandoned many of its previous socialist economic policies), and has become less tolerant of criticism of the mass murders of the Mao era (part of a more general turn towards greater repression). The government's brutal repression of the Uighur minority, and cruel "Zero Covid" policies are just two aspects in which it seems bent on repeating some of its previous atrocities. Under the leadership of Xi Jinping, the government has also increasingly reinstated socialist state control of the economy.
Here in the West, some socialists and others have attempted to whitewash the history of communism, and a few even attribute major accomplishments to the Soviet regime. Cathy Young has an excellent critique of such Soviet "nostalgia" in a recent Reason article.
In sum, we need Victims of Communism Day because we have never given sufficient recognition to the victims of the modern world's most murderous ideology or come close to fully appreciating the lessons of this awful era in world history. In addition, that ideology, and variants thereof, still have a substantial number of adherents in many parts of the world, and still retains considerable intellectual respectability even among many who do not actually endorse it. Just as Holocaust Memorial Day serves as a bulwark against the reemergence of fascism, so this day of observance can help guard against the return to favor of the only ideology with an even greater number of victims.
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Like you, I prefer May 1. That's the day the Commies celebrated.
Agreed, we should be in their faces about it.
Also, Nov. 7th can't catch on, it's too close to election day in the US, every other year, and the left don't even tolerate May 1st, they'd go nuclear over people being reminded of Communism just before voting.
Guilty conscience on at least some level...
It's a sad bit of path dependence: Because Hitler betrayed Stalin, we wound up allied with the USSR for the latter part of WWII, which gave America's communists a bit of cover that American fascists lacked. So we only cleansed our politics of one genocidal ideology, not both. And now with the passage of time since the cold war, the communists are making a comeback.
"it’s too close to election day in the US"
Also too close to Veteran's Day
"Also, Nov. 7th can’t catch on, it’s too close to election day in the US, every other year, and the left don’t even tolerate May 1st, they’d go nuclear over people being reminded of Communism just before voting."
This highlights precisely why Victims of Communism Day will never be taken seriously. For 95%+ of people who want it to happen, it has absolutely nothing to do with learning historical lessons from authoritarian excess - it is only a cudgel to help their preferred capitalist US political party beat another capitalist US political party that they dislike.
No, actually it has everything to do with learning historical lessons. It's just that the people most in need of learning them are pretty stubborn about not catching on.
Except to you Brett, the lesson is that Democrats are the new Communists and you should vote for Trump to prevent mass death.
You are indeed the kind of ridiculous person that keeps this proposal from being serious.
That lesson? Republicans good, Democrats bad, of course! Oh, also that raising the top marginal tax rates by 1.2 percent is just like Stalin or something.
May Day continues to be a public holiday in many countries, celebrating the achievements of trade unionism and social-democracy. I'm sure that doesn't mean much to people who re-read Ayn Rand at least once a year, but it does mean that it is neither appropriate nor realistic to organise a day of commemoration on that date.
In fact, Professor Somin’s yearly May Day shtick was clear trolling. Of course now that he proposes a Victims of Communism Day for reasons other than riling the (international) Libs, we see some commentators upset he’s not “in their faces about it”.
It kinda sad so much of today’s Right sees political debate, principles and policies only in terms of entertainment, but that’s been the arc of development since the heyday of modern right-wing talk radio decades ago. These days, right-wing world is built around entertainment providers servicing their consumer viewership – and the more lurid the cartoon-show the better. Thus a reality-TV star huckster buffoon as president, eh?
Yeah, another "holiday" just what we need to change the world.
It should be May 11th.
10 Days after May Day. Since it usually only takes about 10 years for Communism to go off the rails and start killing people.
This comment is largely adapted from my comments in previous years.
This is why Washington D.C. and the Federal Class needs to be splintered into a 1000 pieces than scatter into the winds.
We've forgotten the tyranny of applied Communism.
I hadn't heard of Holocaust Memorial Day. When is it?
The United States and the United Nations have different days.
As far as I can make out, the U. S. "holiday" (the term seems awkward) is on April 28 and 29 (close to May Day!).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Holocaust_Remembrance_Day
Two comments to Professor Somin:
1. Gangster boss-style Supreme Leaders have been extremely ecumenical in the ideologies they’ve used to cloak otherwise naked power grabs. It seems they are basically fashion-conscious, looking for whatever seems trendy and will sell. As Hitler illustrates, they could just as easily pick anti-communism as communism for this purpose, and which they pick doesn’t really make much difference to the way they actually behave. As Putin’s rececent efforts to rehabilitate Stalin suggest, they are perfectly happy blending communist and anti-communist elements and don’t really care about intellectual niceties like avoiding contradictions. It’s just not about ideology. Ideology is just for show.
2. In part for this reason, I have been increasingly skeptical of claims that things like high taxes and social welfare programs represent creeping communism and if we allow them in, gulags and show trials are right aroumd the corner. Recent events in this country have increased my skepticism. Both this country and European countries have had expensive social safety nets for many decades without this happening. And would-be gangster-style mob boss leaders are perfectly capable of instituting gulags, show trials, and lots of people killed by claiming this is necessary to avoid communism.
Frankly, I think the record suggests that claims that anyone to the left of center, including ordinary politicians who have been ordinary political opponents of the right for decades, are communists and must be eliminated as dangers to the state has pretty much been little more than propaganda from right-wimg would-be gangster bosses. And it has done more to help would-be right-wing gangster-style bosses take power and institute government all too similar to what they claim to oppose than it has provided any benefit.
As George Orwell so aptly described things in the scene at the end of Anomal Farm. crony capitalists look a lot like crony communists and vice versa. Moreover, the idea that a world where nearly all the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a handful of oligarchical billionaires and nearly everyone else is close to starving is somehow more efficent than a world where wealth is distributed somewhat more evenly isn’t just laughable, is based on a grotesque concept of efficiency that totally ignores the economic concept of diminishing returns, because it fails to see profits as being themselves a kind of investment that the rest of society makes through lost opportunity cost, and is entitled to have a return on if the investment is to be justified. So is the idea that the ONLY alternatives are state-enforced perfect equality and crony capitalism with rent-seeking oligarchical billionaires.
I have to acknowledge the Trump years have made me considerably more skeptical of the right’s claims than I was before.
"I have been increasingly skeptical of claims that things like high taxes and social welfare programs represent creeping communism and if we allow them in, gulags and show trials are right aroumd the corner."
Also worth pointing out that *never once in history* has social democracy led to authoritarian communism. Every single one of the bad guys highlighted in this post came to power via revolution, not electoralism. The "Road to Serfdom" theory has been thoroughly debunked by history.
Very good point. It is also worth noting that those revolutions did not occur in countries where people were not suffering economically. I have said and continue to say that the making capitalism work better is more productive that trying to scare people about communism.
You're not the first one to have that idea. Famous lefty Otto von Bismarck got there first, 140 years ago: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/bismarck-tried-end-socialisms-grip-offering-government-healthcare-180964064/
And famous lefty Kaiser Wilhelm II fired Bismarck in part because he wasn’t willing to go far enough.
The pivotal moment was January 1919 when Friedrich Ebert, the leader of the Social Democratic Party and by default President of the suddenly constitution-less German Empire, rejected the overtures of communists like Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht, and made a deal with conservative paramilitaries to strike down the Spartacist uprising. On the morning of the 15th Liebknecht and Luxemburg were abducted, tortured, and executed. The rest is, as they say, history.
"Liebknecht and Luxemburg were abducted, tortured, and executed"
Good Communists!
Countries that accept "overtures of communists" end up with a Red dictatorship. Having a Red dictatorship would have been no better than the Nazi version.
Congratulations, you've spotted my point.
100 years of history. That’s a brief insterstice between long periods of all too common dictatorship.
Also, the US has stood tall with a firm hand on all these heavy socialist democracies in both trade and freedoms. Had it not been there, well, some got perilously close with communists several times already.
In short, you have nothing there to bolster your confidence in its stability.
The solution to Communism is the firm hand of US imperialism...now where have I heard that before, and how has it worked out?
"how has it worked out?"
IDK, ask the South Koreans, Poles, Estonians, Slovaks etc.
Sorry you mourn our standing up to the Reds.
Never mind Latin America. Or the Middle East.
Yes, wars over ideology are indeed 'standing up to the Reds.' But they also don't actually do what they set out to do - you can't bomb someone into belief. And it's also not how historically how we weakened Communism.
I suppose bombing does engender a belief - hostility towards America. Which is not a goal I endorse, but seems pretty fine collateral damage to your knee-jerk myopia!
I guess your putting all your money on folks being less well-informed than you are , quite a feat.
Kerensky was elected and Russia had an incipient democracy fo 6t months -- And Social Democrats paved the way for Hitler as DIetrivh von Hildebrand amply proves from his living there to see it
Von Hildebrand recounts many stories of academic conferences with Franciscan priests and philosophy professors who “overemphasized the notion of community at the expense of the individual.” Because they were “infected by this collectivistic tendency,” they advocated ideas that deny the fundamental dignity of the human person. These ideas paved the philosophic path for collectivism and, in turn, a justification of anti-Semitism. The small concessions became large compromises. The philosophical rhetoric became physical reality. Eventually, the actions that flowed from the collectivism espoused at these conferences justified sending truckloads of Jews to the gas chambers. It all began with an idea, for which many lived and millions died.
"Kerensky was elected and Russia had an incipient democracy fo 6t months"
And then what happened??? Lmfao
"Social Democrats paved the way for Hitler "
Yeah, the claim was that social democracy has never drifted into communism, not that *backlash to* social democracy has never led to fascism. Obviously it has. But that's entirely irrelevant.
The fall of the Soviet Union may have been a gain for the rest of the world. But it was demonstrably a near insufferable loss for American right wingers. They had staked an entire system of politics on red-baiting the left. They were not ready to give that up and start over with something else. Apparently, they still aren't ready. How many decades of empty politics can you hide behind continuing attacks on a long defeated adversary? Will it ever end?
I'd be willing to end it when people who sport a Che Guevara or Mao t-shirt suffer the same tangible social consequences as those who wear Nazi themed attire. And people who claim that the Holomodor and Cultural Revolution are separable from communism suffer the same tangible social consequences as those who claim the Holocaust is separable from anti-semitism. And just to be clear, this equivalence of consequencs should not be achieved by lightening up on disapproval of Nazis and anti-semitism.
They tried to make "Islamo-fascism" the substitute for a while, but it just never quite hit the same. Now it looks like China will be their next big bad bogeyman. Will it stick? Time will tell.
In the meantime, we can look forward to the smooth-brained usual suspects calling anyone with which they disagree - no matter how centrist - an actual communist.
Tbf, China as a bogeyman makes sense to me. It's just that what they do has very little to do with communism.
Centrists are of course the worst.
One of President Kennedy's favorite quotations was based upon an interpretation of Dante's Inferno. As Robert Kennedy explained in 1964, "President Kennedy's favorite quote was really from Dante, 'The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.'"
THe world suffers from lazy folks like you.
If you think I am a centrist, you are badly mistaken. And while some of "the worst" are indeed centrist, they are (basically by definition) not communists.
Dante doesn't put the neutrals in *any* circle of Hell; he puts them in the vestibule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)#Canto_III:_Vestibule_of_Hell
The deepest circle of Dante's Hell (#9) has been frozen over ever since the Cubs won the pennant...just kidding, it was always frozen, and it's reserved for those guilty of treachery.
Before getting to the ice, there are parts of hell with burning fire, including Circle 7, Ring 1:
"In the first round of the seventh circle, the murderers, war-makers, plunderers, and tyrants are immersed in Phlegethon, a river of boiling blood and fire. Ciardi writes, "as they wallowed in blood during their lives, so they are immersed in the boiling blood forever, each according to the degree of his guilt". The Centaurs, commanded by Chiron and Pholus, patrol the ring, shooting arrows into any sinners who emerge higher out of the boiling blood than each is allowed."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)#Seventh_Circle_(Violence)
Based on human history it must be the largest circle.
the "Long Defeated" adversary we're throwing bullions and bullions (HT C. Sagan) away on to beat in You-Crane? Guess they're not that "Long Defeated"
Frank
If you think the war in Ukraine has anything to do with communism and/or the Soviet Union, you need to get your head examined.
(And that's before we get to the fact that the US and Europe are getting excellent value for money in Ukraine, because it's shaping up to be a useful lesson for China. Bargain at twice the price if it means that we won't have to fight in Taiwan.)
Getting sick of fellow "libertarians" who think that is synonymous with letting tyranny roll across the hills and waves.
The difference between them and "tyrant lickspittle" are academic.
Getting sick and tired of Couch Commandos maybe who served in the Peacetime military going full Rambo, you want to die for You-Crane knock yourself out.
I would say the war in Ukraine DOES have something to do with it. If I change from a red suit to a blue suit, what the guy in the blue suit does with his neighbors today still has a lot to do with what the guy in the red suit did yesterday. Different color suit, yes. But it’s the same guy.
Why do you think the Left can't learn anything from their history?
Is it because you have to be demented to be a Democrat?
ReaderY: One can’t deny there have been plenty of opportunists who will jump on to any convenient ideological vehicle on their way to power. However, there have also been quite a few communist leaders who were apparently - and horrifyingly - sincere in their beliefs.
But even more importantly: the supporting players in the atrocities, the troops who made stuff happen on the ground, were largely composed of people who actually believed what they were told. Those with the potential to become those troops next time need a reminder like Victims of Communism Day. It’s a very weak measure but every bit helps.
For the record, 11 November is World War I cease fire day, and in the days before the 11th many countries (including the UK where I now live) have events commemorating the casualties of the Great War.
That said, given that the UK spent the weekend setting of fireworks for Guy Fawkes day (not an official holiday anymore), I'm sure they can spare a day to talk about how bad communism is. I mean, it's not going to happen, but the date isn't the reason why.
If we’re to have remembrance for the Holocaust specifically, not a neutered “victims of large-scale mass murder day,” then we should have days for other large-scale mass-murders. (Except the Armenian massacres, that would rile up the Turks.)
One argument against future incidents of mass-murder is that it would keep multiplying the number of holidays, and for the sake of keeping these holidays to a minimum, maybe the world can agree to stop doing that sort of thing.
A silly post that paints you as trivial.
The mass murders are the results , and the remembrance is to combat the CAUSE !!!!
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Von Hildebrand recounts many stories of academic conferences with Franciscan priests and philosophy professors who “overemphasized the notion of community at the expense of the individual.” Because they were “infected by this collectivistic tendency,” they advocated ideas that deny the fundamental dignity of the human person. These ideas paved the philosophic path for collectivism and, in turn, a justification of anti-Semitism. The small concessions became large compromises. The philosophical rhetoric became physical reality. Eventually, the actions that flowed from the collectivism espoused at these conferences justified sending truckloads of Jews to the gas chambers. It all began with an idea, for which many lived and millions died.
Satire: trenchant wit, irony, or sarcasm used to expose and discredit vice or folly
Mom emigrated from the DDR in 1960 as a furin exchange student, surprisingly no bad stories, actually some good ones about the "Pioneers", FDJ, which sound about like the US Brownies/Girl Scouts, of course she met my Dad and didn't go back.
Frank
In the United States, a Victims Of Bigotry Day seems more important.
Good luck with arranging Republican support of that one.
Get some of your NAMBLA butt buddies
As usual I wouldn't mind it if you dialled up the subtlety of your comments a bit, but you're right. I don't think I really want to know what the average VC commenter thinks about Juneteenth as a national holiday.
And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Well, we've seen that; some call it a "made up holiday," as if the ones they like were handed down at Sinai. Brett Bellmore and a few other concern trolls whitesplain that the selection of Juneteenth is illogical and insist that they know better than black people what the right day to celebrate abolition is.
Jeez, Pubic School Graduate much??
your confusing your holidays, it's "Kwanza" that was made up, "Juneteenth" actually happened, although it just shows how ridiculous Lincoln's "Emancipation" was, why didn't he free the Slaves in the areas NOT still in rebellion?? you remember (actually you probably never learned) i.e. Maryland, Kentucky, Missouri, Probably because his best General had a Slave (and was the last POTUS to own any) and a fair number of soldiers from the "Free" Slave States,
Frank
Frank Drackman : “Kwanza” that was made up.."
All holidays are "made-up" to some major degree. To take a prominent example : Christmas is on the 25th not because anyone had the slightest clue when Jesus was born, but to filch another Roman Empire holiday - the rebirth of the Unconquered Sun (Sol Invictus) - also on 25 December and celebrating the return of longer days after the winter solstice. The same day was also the "birthday" of the Indo-European deity Mithra, a god of light and loyalty whose cult was popular with Roman soldiers.
So - yeah - our holiday on 25 December is equally capricious as Kwanza. I don't care in either case because people get to celebrate as they chose, right? Strange how Frank Drackman is ate-up over Kwanza though.....
What a moron you are. Equating the "made up date" for celebrating the birth of the Son of God, in Christian belief with a totally concocted multi day holiday invented by a criminal thug.
Just what does Kwanza "celebrate"?
Kwanzaa (/ˈkwɑːn.zə/) is an annual celebration of African-American culture from December 26 to January 1, culminating in a communal feast called Karamu, usually on the sixth day.[1] It was created by activist Maulana Karenga, based on African harvest festival traditions from various parts of West and Southeast Africa. Kwanzaa was first celebrated in 1966.
You appear to be pissed off to hear not everyone believes in Jesus like you do.
To be fair, there's some tiny specks of evidence that a guy named Jesus existed around 2000 years ago. Obviously the birthdate of this character, if he existed, is completely arbitrary, and of course the reasons to celebrate his birthday are totally made up.
Because he had no authority to do so. He justified the emancipation proclamation as a wartime measure, to help defeat the southern traitors still in rebellion. Places controlled by U.S. forces could admit of no such need.
And, no, Grant did not own any slaves by the time of the southern treason.
Of course the event of Juneteenth — proclaiming the slaves of Texas to be free by reading General Order #3 on June 19 — happened. But events happen every day of the year and that doesn't mean we turn them all into holidays.
At least Juneteenth emerged spontaneously before it got any sort of government imprimatur.
And I hope it would be difficult to celebrate Juneteenth in a way which completely demonizes whites, since the day shows that just like there were white enslavers, there were white soldiers (as well as black) who laid down their lives to re-establish the country on a nonslavery basis.
Stupid as shit Rev, do you say no non-Republicans are bigots.
What a stupid man you are.
I don't think you will get a "Victims of Communism Day" without getting an equal call for a "Victims of Capitalism Day".
Moderation, you are a moron.
May you visit a gulag to think over how heartless you are because of how headless you are.
Really? What about the Irish who died during the potatoe famine? What about African slaves who died on cotton or sugar plantation before the civil war? Capitalism has its dark moments as well and it has been around longer.
A fine example of "whataboutism".
It is whataboutism. I am a strong supporter of capitalism and I think the best way to advance capitalism is to make sure it works and works well. I want to see more effort in making capitalism better and less in trying to scare people about communism. Because the argument that capitalism is flawed, but communism is worse is a poor argument to me.
Indeed.
But will they get it?
November 7 is a better choice than May 1 which has labor movement associations.
One question that should be examined is: why did Communism spread so far? My answer is that it was due to the stupidity of American Cold War politics. Across the globe, we supported imperial interests and drove popular resistance movements into the arms of the Communists. Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Ortega -- we could have easily co-opted them and in fact each went to us early on for help. We certainly had better resources to help them with than did the Russians or the Chinese. But their association with Communists made that politically impossible. As with so much that has gone wrong, the fault lies with the paranoia, stupidity and shortsightedness of American politicians, particularly in the Republican Party.
Anyway that's my answer. Does anyone have another theory?
Yes, it is the Biden-is-an-asshole theory. What he is doing in Iran is what we did in Hungary in the 1956 uprising: we said 'we are behind you, history is behind you, stand up to those Communists --then we backed off.
Biden does nothing that isn't godawful stupid
Four days after telling people how upset he is that the gas people aren't drillling, drilling, drillling he says "I will have no more drilling"
You...want us to invade Iran?
"we supported imperial interests "
US actively opposed European imperialism post WW2 and shattered it at Suez and by not backing the French in Indochina.
Blame America First runs deep in the left.
"particularly in the Republican Party"
Those damn Republicans like Truman and Acheson and JFK.
Bob does not believe in looking back to avoid the mistakes of the past - that's just Hating America First!
Ho Chi Minh, Castro, Ortega became communists because they were communists, not because we failed to back them.
They came to us for help at any early point and we could have bought them off and co-opted them.
The problem was thinking that anyone who has consorted with Communists has some kind of plague and can't be touched. Not true.
Bob believes Communism is like genetic or something? That diplomacy has no effect?
No but the idea that these brutal Reds were just "agrarian reformers" is a long held lib fantasy.
So you were replying to people here, but arguing with a lib fantasy you've heard about.
Pretty confusing for those of us in the comments, since none of us talked about agrarian reformers!
Castro realized his country badly needed land reform (it was basically one big plantation) and he came to the U.S. for help but gave up when he realized that the cigar companies and sugar companies etc. controlled the show and were squarely against it. So instead of overseeing a measured, sensible reform with our overwhelming resources (just look at the map) we allowed Cuba to plunge into Communism and the Soviets got a foothold 90 miles away from us.
To be fair, when we did help we did Pinochet.
I'm not one to hyperfocus on it, but the era of CIA imperialism suuucked.
Ah, the chicken and egg problem.
Was Castro malleable in his philosophy and his allegiance, but we treated him as a Commie and made it into a self-fulfilling prophecy? Or was he a Commie from the start and we just acknowledged reality?
The first version might be true for all I know. I don't profess to know the ins and outs of Latin American intrigue. Or U. S. intrigue for that matter.
Did the U. S. really pass up a chance to make a deal by which we looked the other way as Castro reformed the heck out of the plantation interests while agreeing not to seek Soviet or Chinese aid? That would be the key question - and it wouldn't involve recognizing the justice of "nationalization" measures, just some realpolitik.
It comes down to what was going on in Castro's brain. How can I know what he was thinking back then?
If it's one individual, yeah, we'll never know. But there's a bunch of them that we spurned and they turned to more leftist nations.
Seems in retrospect we were kinda dumb.
While I hesitate to blame Republicans for Communism, I would agree that we should leave May 1 alone.
It was a fun holiday, opposed only by Puritans, and then it was a day to honor workers. Then the commies got their hands on it.
But there was some pushback - I think it's still Law Day in the U. S., and the Feast of St. Joseph the Worker for Catholics.
In other words, people have already found celebratory uses for the day, so let's not muck it up by linking it to the Holodomor, Great Leap Forward, etc.
Unlike the swastika, which was thoroughly ruined as a symbol by totalitarian socialists, May Day can still be saved, and it shouldn't be commied up any further.
36 U.S. Code § 113 – Law Day, U.S.A.
(a)Designation.— May 1 is Law Day, U.S.A. (b)Purpose.—Law Day, U.S.A., is a special day of celebration by the people of the United States— (1)in appreciation of their liberties and the reaffirmation of their loyalty to the United States and of their rededication to the ideals of equality and justice under law in their relations with each other and with other countries; and (2)for the cultivation of the respect for law that is so vital to the democratic way of life. (c)Proclamation.—The President is requested to issue a proclamation— (1)calling on all public officials to display the flag of the United States on all Government buildings on Law Day, U.S.A.; and (2)inviting the people of the United States to observe Law Day, U.S.A., with appropriate ceremonies and in other appropriate ways, through public entities and private organizations and in schools and other suitable places. (Pub. L. 105–225, Aug. 12, 1998, 112 Stat. 1257.)
COMMENT: How well I remember everyone going onto the town common on Law Day to dance around the Law Pole, though only after signing various waivers of liability.
LOL
Your reasoning led the Catholic Church to make May 1 the Feast of St Joseph the Worker.
Sure, but does it include a much-needed remedial education aspect?