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Justice Barrett and Affirmative Action
In Grutter v. Bollinger (2003), Justice O'Connor wrote, "We expect that 25 years from now, the use of racial preferences will no longer be necessary." I never took this sentence--or really anything Justice O'Connor wrote--very seriously. And even if she was serious about that point, no one who joined her majority opinion remains on the Court. Yet, in the New York Times, Justin Driver suggests that the quarter-century countdown may provide affirmative action with a six-year stay of execution. For the reasons Ed Whelan explains, I find this possibility extremely unlikely.
Yet, there was one paragraph in Driver's column that caught my eye. He suggests that Justice Barrett's adopted children may affect her views on affirmative action:
Justice Barrett may also be less reflexively hostile to affirmative action than is widely assumed. Is it at least possible that her experience adopting and raising two Black children has made her more intimately attuned to the ugly persistence of racial discrimination than some of her colleagues? Although this notion may initially sound reductive, sophisticated empirical scholarship has demonstrated that judges who have daughters are more receptive to women's rights claims than judges who have only sons. It would hardly be astonishing if a similar, perhaps subconscious, dynamic applied to jurists with Black children and claims of racial justice. In fact, Prof. Maya Sen, one of the authors of the study on judges and their children, said in an interview that adopting a child may affect a jurist's worldview.
I have made this exact point in several Supreme Court term previews. To my knowledge, Judge Barrett was never called upon to decide any cases involving racial preferences. And, as best as I can recall, her legal scholarship did not touch on this issue. But Barrett did talk about race during her confirmation hearing. She recalled how she discussed George Floyd's death with her children.
"Senator, as you might imagine, given that I have two Black children, that was very, very personal for my family," Barrett told Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin (D-Ill.), who had asked whether she had seen the video. The judge explained that while her husband had taken her sons on a camping trip that weekend, she and Vivian "wept together in my room" as outrage over Floyd's death mushroomed and consumed the country.
Barrett noted that Floyd's death and the ensuing unrest were also difficult for her 10-year-old daughter, Juliette, who is white.
"I had to try to explain some of this to them," she told the committee. "I mean my children — to this point in their lives — have had the benefit of growing up in a cocoon where they have not yet experienced hatred or violence. And for Vivian to understand that there would be a risk to her brother or the son she might have one day of that kind of brutality has been an ongoing conversation."
I flagged this record in 2021 after Barrett GVR'd a George-Floyd-like case. At the time, I wrote:
Justices are not automatons. These sorts of issues can have a bearing on their rulings. Indeed, I'm not sure that Justice Barrett will vote with the Court's conservative on affirmative action. The 3-3-3 Court is still forming.
Here, Driver seems to echo my point.
Moreover, Barrett was an academic for a decade. Diversity and inclusion touch every facet of our profession. According to her Senate Judiciary Committee questionnaire, during her time at Notre Dame, she served on the Admissions Committee from 2003-2006. No doubt she gained some insights into how racial preferences operate in higher education. (I served on the Admissions Committee once, and only once, due to my views on affirmative action.)
Barrett's views on Students for Fair Admission may be affected by her personal experiences. Don't presume she lines up with Clarence Thomas.
Now is it proper for me and Driver to draw these inferences? To be sure, we are not acting on any inside information, other than Barrett's public statements and her well-known personal story. But much of what Supreme Court pundits do is amateur psychoanalysis. We take bits and pieces of data that we know, and use that information to make predictions about how a Justice will decide a case. That process can also be retrospective as well. We take bits and pieces of data that we know to explain why a Justice decided a case the way he did.
Short of having a sit-down with a Justice, or reviewing their papers, we are stuck with the written opinion. To fill this void, punditry speculates. Take it for what you paid.
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I find it hard to believe that ACB will have a soft spot for what amounts to pure racial discrimination. And even if you accept the view that this is benign, which it isn't, look at the nasty stereotypes about Asian kids, you can have kooks who are part of the decision-making process. Kristen Clarke is a kook and look at the perch she has--how many others have similar views or espouse other kooky notions like "White silence = violence."
White parents of black children view police misconduct quite differently from poor academic performance.
Uh, no. Won't happen. The speculation that it will, is premised on the notion that Barrett will favor POCs because she has two children who are POCs.
I think the more likely effect of that is that she might say, "they don't want and don't need your condescending favoritism."
But the more likely effect is that she'll just decide the case on the merits, by joining the majority in striking down racial discrimination for the purpose of ending racial discrimination.
I never took this sentence–or really anything Justice O'Connor wrote–very seriously.
Don't. Just don't...
You're already a very sad man ranting on the internet. Pretending you're above people who are clearly far your superior makes that even worse.
O'Connor was a vote. She really didn't add much to the Court's jurisprudence. There is more jurisprudential value in a dissent like the one in Dickerson (Scalia, J.) than in anything O'Connor put out.
If you think this isn't much...
https://oconnorinstitute.org/supreme-court-opinions/
Personally I'm rather attached to the role she played in Casey, but that might be just me.
Because you like the result, but Casey is a bit of a joke, from a legal standpoint.
I mean, come on--this is drivel:
Like the character of an individual, the legitimacy of the Court must be earned over time. So, indeed, must be the character of a Nation of people who aspire to live according to the rule of law. Their belief in themselves as such a people is not readily separable from their understanding of the Court invested with the authority to decide their constitutional cases and speak before all others for their constitutional ideals. If the Court's legitimacy should be undermined, then, so would the country be in its very ability to see itself through its constitutional ideals. The Court's concern with legitimacy is not for the sake of the Court, but for the sake of the Nation to which it is responsible.
I assume, from context, that that's something Justice O'Connor said or wrote. Regardless, it seems quite right to me. (And a useful addition to the discussion we were having about legitimacy the other day.)
It's still drivel. For example, the lead sentence is poorly written--one, generally speaking, does not earn character.
"Their belief in themselves as such a people is not readily separable from their understanding of the Court invested with the authority to decide their constitutional cases and speak before all others for their constitutional ideals. If the Court’s legitimacy should be undermined, then"
All well and good until you believe, as I do, that the Court's rulings are downstream from culture in the very long run. The rest of that paragraph gets things backwards.
"If you think this isn’t much…"
Its all the opinions she wrote including dissents. Every justice writes opinions, such a list is nothing special.
She didn't even write Casey
Apologies for any mistunderstanding, I didn't mean to rely on the absolute number of opinions. Rather, it was just a convenient list of her majority opinions. Take your pick which ones you think are important, that will depend on your politics and your areas of interest, but it would be difficult to say that it's nothing.
And no, I didn't say she wrote Casey.
So you're saying, you are attached to her as a vote, no more. I'm not sure how that constitutes disagreement with rloquitur.
I said nothing of the sort.
Conclusory denials without evidentiary support or explication are of no probative value. Do they not teach that in European law schools?
If you're having trouble with reading comprehension, there really isn't anything I can do to help you if the only means of communication I have is writing.
I have to disagree, on at least one. Justice O'Connor's majority opinion in New York v. United States, 488 U.S. 1041 (1992), has some of my favorite passages of any judicial opinion.
There are plenty of justices who never wrote an opinion worth remembering (Pierce Butler, for one, took absolute pride in it), so even if that makes Sandra Day a one-hit wonder, well... as the saying goes, that's probably one more than you.
I think your discussion of who is “superior” is completely off base.
Justice O’Connor’s suggestion that affirmative action should last about 25 more years but no longer clearly did not derive from the text or structure of the Constitution nor from any precedent that I am aware of.
The number is arbitrary. Why 25. Who not 20 or 10 or 30 or 40?
It is clear that this arbitrary number (and I don’t think O’Connor would deny that it is arbitrary) was based on a hope about further racial progress in a relatively short period of time. But some people don’t think that Justice O’Connor’s hopes should be an input into constitutional law.
What Blackman is saying isn’t that he is “superior” to Justice O’Connor. He is saying he disagrees with her legal methodology such that her conclusions tend not to inform his own beliefs about how particular cases should be decided. That is, due to a divergence in premises there is a persistent and predictable divergence in conclusions.
That doesn’t imply that Blackman is “superior” to Justice O’Connor. It merely implies that they have legal philosophies that diverge in a consistent manner.
Legal debates are not resolved by asking who is superior, but instead looking at the arguments themselves.
If you read enough Blackman you would know he does in fact think he's superior to O'Connor (among others). This is a person who believes that in the year 2021 he coined the term "rocket docket"
Having XY chromosomes makes him superior to her.
Given that Barrett herself is a beneficiary of gender preference it would be interesting for her to oppose AA. Doesn't stop Thomas, of course.
Term limits for Supreme Court justices?
Judge Sotomayor. All questions of policy are within the
providence of Congress first. And so, that particular question
would have to be considered by Congress first. But it would
have to consider it in light of the Constitution and then of
statutes that govern these issues. And so, that first step and
decision would be Congress'.
I can only note that there was a purpose to the structure
of our Constitution, and it was a view by the Founding Fathers
that they wanted justices who would not be subject to political
whim or to the emotions of a moment. And they felt that by
giving them certain protections, that that would ensure their
objectivity and their impartiality over time.
I do know, having served with many of my colleagues who
have been members of the court, sometimes for decades, I had
one colleague who was still an active member of the court in
his nineties. And at close to 90, he was learning the Internet
and encouraging my colleagues of a much younger age to
participate in learning the Internet.
So I don't think that it's service or the length of time. I
think there's wisdom that comes to judges from their experience
that helps them in the process over time. I think in the end,
it is a question of, one, of what the structure are of our
government is best served by. And as I said, the policy
question will be considered first by Congress and the processes
set forth by the Constitution. But I do think there is a value
in the services of judges for long periods of time.
I don't think libs should be throwing stones about AA and members of the Court.
Not "throwing stones."
Just making an observation.
Throwing stones is a figure of speech. As in people who live in glass houses . . . .
Given that White people were beneficiaries of Jim Crow, it is interesting that any of them opposed Jim Crow.
A decent person will not support racial discrimination. Any racial discrimination, whether it harms or helps him. Even if it goes under a pretty name, like "Affirmative Action."
This. A moral person puts principles before principals.
Speaking of affirmative action, it's amazing how much of a bait and switch that was.
Executive Order 10925—Establishing the President's Committee on Equal Employment Opportunity
This kind of sums it up:
"(1) The contractor will not discriminate against any employee or applicant for employment because of race, creed, color, or national origin. The contractor will take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed, and that employees are treated during employment, without regard to their race, creed, color, or national origin. Such action shall include, but not be limited to, the following: employment, upgrading, demotion or transfer; recruitment or recruitment advertising; layoff or termination; rates of pay or other forms of compensation; and selection for training, including apprenticeship. The contractor agrees to post in conspicuous places, available to employees and applicants for employment, notices to be provided by the contracting officer setting forth the provisions of this nondiscrimination clause."
"Affirmative action" was originally action to affirmatively refrain from basing any decisions whatsoever on race.
Personal experience matters, but good lord is this an overread.
Perhaps. Welcome to the new Kremlinology.
Is it just assumed that Roberts has moved on from "the way to stop discrimination on the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race"?
More or less, it's assumed at this point that Roberts only votes with the conservative Justices because there aren't enough liberal Justices for him to give them the majority, and voting with the majority is necessary for him to get to assign the opinion.
I'm not sure this is really a valid assumption, but it's fairly widespread one.
Nobody who knows anything about the court assumes that.
Well, sure, if you define "who knows anything about the court" in terms of agreeing with you that it isn't true.
"reflexively hostile to affirmative action"
Reflexive hostility is not necessary.
ACB might just have to ask herself and her children whether any of them want to suffer the soft bigotry of affirmative-action admissions. They will already be sharply aware of the likelihood of admission to any college of their choice---surely they are all bound for university if not there already---on the basis of who their parents are.
Compound that with the subconscious "I have to get my grades up, but not Vivian, she'll be admitted in the first round."
Sweating over the application essays will also offer interesting dinner-table conversation, even if that work is hired out.
the subconscious “I have to get my grades up, but not Vivian, she’ll be admitted in the first round.”
I hope she hasn't raised her kids to believe in white resentment like this. Because that's rather overestimating how AA works these days.
Hmmm. A kid, who had no say in governance of the country, is discriminated against, and he doesn't have the right to be peeved? Interesting viewpoint you have there.
Vivian’s parents are alumni. Aubrey LaVentana forgot to mention that.
You mean, "on the basis of who their parents are"?
Safe to assume that anyone who takes a seat on the Supreme Court has a degree in the law. I was also aware of the work of her husband.
But that is a problem with affirmative action. No one really knows how it works. Can a capable person work less hard and depend on affirmative action to make up the difference? If so, how much less hard can they get away with?
The safe thing to do, of course, is to work as hard as possible. But I know there have been cases when I have calibrated my efforts knowing I already had an A in a class (so far) rather than taking the absolutely safest path.
One should not assume that the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action always properly assess how much less hard they can work and still achieve admissions.
Overall, our experience in California indicates that eliminating affirmative action decreases admission of students who are not white or Asian. So, we know that affirmative action results in a net increase in the admissions of some groups. But that does not mean that there aren’t individual cases where people from groups that affirmative action is intended to benefit actually end up losing out because it causes them to miscalibrate the amount of effort they should put into their studies.
"No one really knows how [admissions and AA] works."
Safe to assume that ACB, from her CV above, knows better than most.
“people from groups that affirmative action is intended to benefit actually end up losing out ”
Gail Heriot’s mismatch thesis.
https://www.genome.gov/Pages/About/IRMinorities/MAP-Publications/WSJ_AffirmativeActionBackfires.pdf
“Easily the most startling conclusion of his research: Mr. Sander calculated that there are fewer black attorneys today than there would have been if law schools had practiced color-blind admissions — about 7.9% fewer by his reckoning. He identified the culprit as the practice of admitting minority students to schools for which they are inadequately prepared.”
Back to your comment: "eliminating affirmative action decreases admission of students who are not white or Asian." Admissions matter, but graduations, grades, and bar exam passings matter far more.
I disagree that making people racist is the problem with affirmative action.
That's on the racist people being racist.
You can say it's bad policy for plenty of reasons, but white resentment is not something I think should be taken into account.
Because it's resentment? Or because it's white? Or because it's a secondary or tertiary effect?
You are literally trying to convince people that it's OK to racially discriminate, and then counting on them, having been so convinced, to agree to discrimination against themselves.
I put it to you that, once you convince people that racial discrimination isn't this horrible offense against morality, they are far more likely to decide they want to be the beneficiary of discrimination, not the fall guy.
Having told people that racism is OK, they're not going to be racist against their own group. Most people aren't consumed with that much self-loathing.
Have you met a run of the mill leftist in the last 30 years? They have nothing but contempt and hatred towards everything that they are
Run of the mill leftists aren't "most people". Even in California these sorts of racial quotas tank when put before the voters.
“I hope she hasn’t raised her kids to believe in white resentment like this.”
I’m counting on her having raised her kids not to. But parents are not the only source of a person’s ideas, and the conscious mind is not the only place where ideas lead to actions.
"that's rather overestimating how AA works."
Really? That is exactly the way it worked when my daughter and her classmates were applying to college. What personal experience is your statement based on? I hope you won’t adduce as evidence statements from admissions officers and other university officials, because there is one sure to know that a university official is lying, and that is that his or her lips are moving.
Blacks auto-admit first round?
Come on, now.
I hope you won’t adduce as evidence statements from admissions officers and other university officials, because there is one sure to know that a university official is lying, and that is that his or her lips are moving.
Congrats on your self-sealing conclusion. I guess Harvard is only black students and legacies now!
Don't forget lucrative foreign admissions.
So you have no personal experience to adduce?
Not schools, but I do have some experience on the policy side.
People who dealt with the admissions process don’t have experience. They don’t know why the decision was made. It’s telling if they go and blame black people getting a break as the cause,
People are told explicitly that admissions at many, if not all schools, will take into account race specifically in order to increase the number of black students.
Some potential students who are not black but are on the fence, academically speaking, and are denied admissions wonder whether the fact that they aren't black hurt their chances for acceptance.
Considering the first paragraph is true, it takes a special view of the world to think that the students mentioned in the second paragraph are probably just racist.
How does anyone know they are on the fence?
Yes, to take all the potential factors that go into admission and boil it down to race based on zero info that it was the determinative does indicate you have race in the brain.
Oh, I don't know; Looking at their SAT score?
Sure, "holistic" admissions are intended to obscure this, but people applying for college generally do know if they're shoe ins or hilariously doomed, or somewhere in between.
Why shouldn't they have "race in the brain" when they're explicitly told that race will play a part in admissions and that, implicitly, they're told that white and Asian people are less valuable than blacks?
Every college has average GPA and SAT scores for acceptance. If a white kid with scores slightly higher than average is denied, there's solid evidence some factor other than their quantitative measurements played a bigger role.
One of the few explicitly stated qualitative factors mentioned (and one where there's an explicitly stated "good" and "bad" qualitative state) is race. Again, it seems you're adamantly ignoring the elephant in the room and then casting aspersion on those who notice it.
I think you just made the case that elites (mostly Whites in this country) can get their children into universities on the strength of legacy.
There's a reason this exchange is funny in Suicide Squad....
Deadshot [Will Smith] : Third, y'all gonna pay for my daughter's whole education. Best schools. And then I want her to go to college. Like Harvard. Or Yale.... And, uh, if she can't cut it and her grades start slipping, I need you to white-people that thing.
Rick Flag : Mmm-hmm.
Deadshot : You know how y'all do.
Now I have a compelling reason to see that movie. I thank you.
This judicial scapulimancy (I paid Humpty extra for that one) just exhibits how little Josh Blackman thinks of Federalist Society doctrine now.
During confirmation, Justice Barrett highlighted her awareness of dangers her Black children will experience because they are Black. She also emphasized that her White child was saddened by George Floyd's murder. Of course. ALL people of all colors can and should be saddened by the George Floyd murder and what it showed us about American society.
But the post frets Justice Barrett's otherwise staunch Federalist Society allegiance might be shaken by her personal investment in two Black children. Her resolve might falter--not because of any defect in the judicial philosophy--but because her personal connections will overrun her objectivity.
The post's hand-wringing about Justice Barrett's position says as much about the artificial foundations in Federalist Society thought as it does about the author's assumption that an "ordinary" White woman would not value "Black issues" like police overreach or systematic historic exclusion from academia--unless she's compromised by her personal ties to Black relatives. How insulting.
True story: ACB was returning from a Federalist Society conference through a dark back street, and a guy came up to her saying "psst, want a copy of Adrian Vermeule's Common Good Constitutionalism?"
She bought the book and read it through in a couple hours, and it inspired her to relearn the entire classical legal tradition.
Well, it *could* have happened.
This is pretty funny.
O’Connor had a soft spot for AA because she was a beneficiary.
In your opinion, which non-white-male SCOTUS Justices, if any, weren't beneficiaries of AA?
Thurgood Marshall.
Could also make an argument for Louis Brandeis if Jewish qualifies for non-white-male. He was the first of several.
I could make an argument for several. My question was directed to Bob, because I doubt he believes any of them weren't AA beneficiaries, except of course Brandeis, Frankfurter and the other Jewish justices, whom I'm sure he (correctly) believes made it on their merits.
Justice O'Connor was indeed an affirmative action nominee. She came to the Court with the thinnest credentials of any jurist not named Clarence Thomas (the most prominent beneficiary of affirmative action in American history) in modern history.
I don't know, wouldn't her having black children make her MORE aware that using race as a shorthand for disadvantaged is foolish? Are her black children really less advantaged than poor white children without rich, connected, and involved parents?
As I said earlier, I'm counting on ACB having raised her children to be more aware of that. If anything, those children were raised to watch for such poisonous shorthand in the people around them, not just in themselves.
Obama said that, given their privileged lives, Sasha and Malia should not receive any sort of AA preference. (He didn't repudiate the preference for children of the president, but why should he?) I would presume that Barrett feels the same way.
Are the Obama daughters old enough to run for Senate yet?
RE: "Barrett's views on Students for Fair Admission may be affected by her personal experiences. Don't presume she lines up with Clarence Thomas."
She probably has better taste in porn.
The notion that ACB would lean in favor of race-based college admissions because two of her seven children might benefit (while the other five do not) is a strange one. A parent of multiple children spends an enormous amount of energy over the years battling through children's protests of favoritism; you develop elaborate mechanisms to ensure the perception of fairness in things that often strike non-parents as trivial.
ACB has two children of high school age who are approaching the admissions game. And someone thinks she is going to put her name down for the principle that one of her children can be lawful prioritized over the other by the government based on skin color? I think that's beyond fanciful.
I’m actually OK with pop psychology style punditry, as long as it’s admitted that that’s what’s being done.
It seems to me entirely plausible that her personal experience might make her more sensitive to claims of more subtle racial discrimination other conservative jurists might find far-fetched or de minimus, but I don't think that is going to come into play much in this case. To buy into affirmative action as it is actually practiced today in elite institutions (and as the record in the Harvard case overwhelmingly demonstrates), you have to ascribe to a quasi-religious left-wing ideology that utterly devalues individuals.
Actually, what surprises me the most about the discussions surrounding this case is that nobody seems to be seriously considering the possibility that the petitioners win under Question 2 without the court reaching Question 1. Both programs being challenged are so obviously illegal under existing law that it would be quite easy for the Court to dodge the bigger question.
>> "Both programs being challenged are so obviously illegal under existing law that it would be quite easy for the Court to dodge the bigger question."
It is true that the Court could effectively revisit Fisher II, and rule on narrow tailoring or other "implementation" grounds. But... after Dobbs, do you really think they're going to do that?
Both Thomas and Roberts have been itching to put a stake in race-based preferences for a decade or more. “[T]he Fourteenth Amendment prevents states from according differential treatment to American children on the basis of their color or race.” [Seattle School Dist.] Alito joined the Chief in Seattle School District, and wrote some sharp words in Fisher II. So there are clearly three votes to make a broad 14th Amendment holding, and no reason on the record to infer that there won't be 6 votes.
(I would suggest that the tea leaves tell us that Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are also going to join the Chief/Thomas opinion here.)
Not taking anything Justice O'Connor wrote seriously, since she was one of the greatest justices on the Supreme Court ever, is a sign of Professor Blackman's dogmatism and a black mark on him, not Justice O'Connor. In contrast, I take Professor Blackman's words very seriously, because they are a prime example of the intellectually dishonest and power hungry alleged jurisprudence of the 21st century American judicial right wing.
Just curious, how do you find Sandra O'Connor to be one of the greatest justices on the Supreme Court ever? Which legal arguments did she make that you find so amazing? Which opinions or dissents did she author that you find so well written? Did you find her questions during arguments to be shockingly insightful or enlightening?
It's just that you seem to have quite a strong opinion about her, but you don't actually mention anything about her in your post.
Almost 20 years ago for a law school seminar course taught by Judge Diarmud O'Scannlain, i did a comprehensive analysis of her opinions, concurrence, and dissents, and without getting into details I was very impressed with her mixture of legal principle and common sense.
Care to provide any samples?
I ask because she is not mentioned often when people talk about great or brilliant justices - even some of those here criticizing Blackman don't seem to hold such a high opinion of her. Even the O'Connor Institute doesn't list many legal accomplishments or writings - the biggest ones seem to be McCain-Feingold and Bush v Gore.
Mississippi College of Women v. Hogan, established intermediate scrutiny for gender-based exclusion.
Adarand v. Pena, established strict scrutiny for government racial classifications
New York v. United States, revived the 10th amendment from the grave.
South Dakota v. U.S., in dissent, her argument later validated in the Obamacare case to strike down Medicaid state mandate.
Kelo v. New London, in dissent (the position of Professor Somin)
There are others.
I've noticed that Professor Blackman saves his most poisonous venom for those justices, notably Roberts, O'Connor, and Kennedy, who exhibit heterodox conservative jurisprudence. It's the same mentality that led the German Communist Party to concentrate its political invective on the Social Democratic Party instead of the German Right Wing and the Nazis, with disastrous results for the world. In case it isn't clear, in my analogy Professor Blackman is the German Communist.
This post seems to be premised on the idea that being concerned for Black people would cause a person to be in favor of Affirmative Action.
I see little basis for this. Over 60% of Black Americans believe that race should play no role in college admission decisions. And there is enormous reason to believe that Affirmative Action has been actively harmful to the success of Black Americans.
If caring about, and being familiar with, the concerns off Black people results in any bias, it should be towards ruling that US law prohibits the use of race in university admissions in both public universities, and universities receiving public funds.