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Ninth Circuit Refuses to Quash Jan. 6 Committee Subpoena for Kelli Ward's Cell Phone Records
A Ninth Circut panel split 2-1 over whether First Amendment concerns should prevent congressional investigatos from obtaining cell records for Arizona's Republican Party Chair.
The congressional committee investigating the events of January 6 may have had its last public hearing, but it continues to seek information about efforts to challenge or obstruct the 2020 electoral vote count. Yesterday, a divided panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit denied Kelli Ward's attempt to quash a committee subpoena for her cell phone records, Politico reports. Ward currently Chairs the Arizona Republican Party and previously ran for U.S. Senate.
The court's order denying Ward's request for an injunction barring T-Mobile (her cellphone carrier) from providing records to the Jan. 6 committee was issued by Judges Silverman and Miller. Judge Ikuta dissented.
From the court's order:
We assume, without deciding, that the balance of hardships tips sharply in Ward's favor. Under Alliance for the Wild Rockies, we therefore ask whether Ward has raised "serious questions going to the merits." 632 F.3d at 1132. . . . we conclude that Ward has not raised serious questions on the merits—and, a fortiori,
that she is not likely to succeed on the merits. . . .there is little to suggest that disclosing Ward's phone records to the Committee will affect protected associational activity. Unlike the regulation at issue in Americans for Prosperity Foundation, which required organizations to reveal their major donors, this subpoena does not target any organization or association. The investigation, after all, is not about Ward's politics; it is about her involvement in the events leading up to the January 6 attack, and it seeks to uncover those with whom she communicated in connection with those events. That some of the people with whom Ward communicated may be members of a political party does not establish that the subpoena is likely to reveal "sensitive information about [the party's] members and supporters." Americans for Prosperity Found., 141 S. Ct. at 2384. Grand juries—and, for that matter, civil litigants—routinely employ subpoenas for phone records, and any such subpoena necessarily reveals something about a person's associations. We do not read Americans for Prosperity Foundation as establishing that all of those subpoenas are subject to First Amendment scrutiny.
To prevail, Ward must therefore identify some reason to think that compliance with this subpoena will burden association. The district court found that there is "no evidence to support [the] contention that producing the phone numbers . . . will chill the associational rights of Plaintiffs or the Arizona GOP," and it determined that Ward's arguments to the contrary are "highly speculative." . . .
The district court's finding is amply supported by the record. . . .
Because there is no indication that the compelled disclosure in this case would deter protected associational activity, the exacting scrutiny standard does not apply. But even if that standard did apply, this subpoena would satisfy it. The subpoena is substantially related to the important government interest in investigating the causes of the January 6 attack and protecting future elections from similar threats. Cf. Trump v. Thompson, 20 F.4th 10, 41 (D.C. Cir. 2021) (noting that "the January 6th Committee plainly has a 'valid legislative purpose'" (quoting Trump v. Mazars USA, LLP, 140 S. Ct. 2019, 2031–32 (2020))), cert. denied, 142 S. Ct. 1350 (2022). Ward participated in a scheme to send spurious electoral votes to Congress, a scheme that the Committee describes as "a key part" of the "effort to overturn the election" that culminated on January 6. Although Ward asserts that "[c]ongressional investigators already know what [she] did," the Committee explains that that is untrue: When the Committee sought to question her about those activities, she invoked the Fifth Amendment and refused to answer. In this civil proceeding, it is appropriate to draw adverse inferences from her assertion of the Fifth Amendment privilege—namely, that Ward's conduct during the period in question went beyond simple discussions with her political associates, and that those with whom she communicated might have the information about her activities that she refused to provide.
Having attempted the less intrusive method of asking Ward directly, the Committee has a strong interest in pursuing its investigation by other means. The subpoena is a narrowly tailored mechanism for doing so because it seeks only Ward's phone records, only from the critical window of November 1, 2020 through January 31, 2021, and only metadata, not content or location information.
From the dissent:
"First Amendment freedoms need breathing space to survive." Americans for Prosperity Found. v. Bonta (APF), 141 S. Ct. 2373, 2389 (2021) (citation and quotation marks omitted). Therefore, "[w]hen it comes to the freedom of association, the protections of the First Amendment are triggered not only by actual restrictions on an individual's ability to join with others to further shared goals," but also by the mere "risk of a chilling effect on association." Id. Here, a House Select Committee (the Committee) is attempting to obtain the names of the Arizona Republican Party (the Party) members who spoke to Kelli Ward, the Party's chair, during a period of contentious political upheaval. But the Committee has not provided any explanation as to why the phone records are relevant to its investigation. Because such government inquiries "discourage citizens from exercising rights protected by the Constitution," id. at 2384 (citation and quotation marks omitted), the Wards' challenge to the Committee's subpoena raises at least "serious questions going to the merits" of their First Amendment claim, All. for the Wild Rockies v. Cottrell, 632 F.3d 1127, 1135 (9th Cir. 2011). The majority's view to the contrary is in conflict with the Supreme Court's recent landmark ruling, Americans for Prosperity Foundation, 141 S. Ct. at 2389. By denying the Wards' motion for an injunction pending appeal, the majority likely prevents the Wards from raising serious questions regarding Kelli Ward's constitutional rights, because once T-Mobile produces her phone records, the Wards' appeal may be moot. . . .
Regardless of Ward's position regarding the 2020 election, her right to engage in discussions with her political associates remains entitled to First Amendment protection against the government's compelled disclosure of her political affiliations. Maj. op. at 6–7. We must be vigilant to protect First Amendment rights—even when raised by an individual alleged to have engaged in a nefarious "scheme," Maj. op. at 6—because "[t]he weakening of constitutional safeguards in order to suppress one obnoxious group is a technique too easily available for the suppression of other obnoxious groups to expect its abandonment when the next generally hated group appears," Communist Party of the U.S. v. Subversive Activities Control Bd., 367 U.S. 1, 166 (Black, J., dissenting). Because the majority has applied an erroneous legal framework, and the Wards' claim that the Committee's subpoena burdens Kelli Ward's First Amendment rights at least raises a serious question on the merits, I dissent
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Forget it Jake, rules are different for republicans.
No content, just claiming persecution.
I'm quite sure you didn't bother to read the opinion.
Lame.
Did the Rev. Costco's Church of the Great Replacement let out early this morning?
What's he got to do with this? Or did you not take kindly to me asking people to read and engage with the OP?
It's quite revealing how little the right-wing commenters care about the content of the decision - the outcome is all they're tracking.
Sad, really.
S_0,
Don't you have something better to do with your time. You seem to love engaging over non-substantive matters.
You should care about your side being tribal first and not caring about the merits.
I for one and happy they are setting these rules for vigorous powers of Congressional investigation and oversight.
Come January these expanded subpoena powers are going to get a workout.
Well at least you've moved past pretending like you care about facts, truths, and the law, and instead readily admit that you only care about partisan retribution.
My, how we love to project…
Who are we kidding. These sorts of political abuses will get stopped in their tracks by Democrat judges, if the Republicans were to ever engage in tit for tat.
But we know they won't. McCarthy has already said so and McConnell won't do anything either.
Well maybe they shouldn’t have attempted a coup.
There was no attempted coup. There was no insurrection. Why is it that progressive attorneys are incapable of being serious?
How many convictions -- including seditious conspiracy -- so far?
Kevin Clinesmith was convicted.
https://ethicsalarms.com/2021/01/30/once-again-unethical-sentencing-using-hes-suffered-enough-thats-not-the-message-that-needed-to-be-sent/
That's the myopic, ignorant perspective.
What would you call it when the loser of an election, who knew he lost, tried to maintain his grip on power through extralegal means his own lawyers knew were illegal, that culminated in riling up a mob to try to thwart the finalization of the electoral process with the purpose of pressuring the Vice President to do something obviously illegal?
The problem isn’t that progressive attorneys aren’t serious, it’s that everyone else isn’t taking this serious enough.
You are of course referring to the actions of Democrats following Hillary's loss in 2016 and the subsequent rioting and arson on inauguration day 2017?
No. Which extralegal means did Hilary or the democrats use to stay in power? Did they come up with insane legal theories based on false facts in an attempt to get courts to overturn the will of the voters? Did they then turn to even more insane theories to try to subvert the electoral count process and mount a pressure campaign on the Vice President to reject the certified electoral votes and accept fake electors instead?
Did they gin up a mob to assault the Capitol when the fake legal scheme failed?
No. They did none of these things. The record of what happened is ridiculously clear. And it was immediately clear it was a coup attempt to European officials and political scientists or people who lived through coups and coup attempts in other countries.
In future years it will be described as a coup attempt by historians and teachers without any question.
The whole Mueller investigation was based on insane legal theories.
And of course, a mob assaulted Secret Service agents protecting the White House.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
Your side complained about the use of tear gas to disperse this mob.
The basic facts of the Mueller report were not contested and in fact were confirmed and expanded upon in more damning ways by the Republican led Senate Intelligence committee.
As to the legal conclusions, volume 1 Was extremely circumspect about whether crimes were actually committed by Trump. And emphasized over and over again that “collusion” isn’t a crime. As for volume 2, it identified ten cases it thought might constitute obstruction of Justice, but also disclaimed the ability to charge him. It was legally very small C conservative!
As for the other prosecutions under Mueller: Flynn clearly made false statements to the FBI, Roger Stone clearly made false statements, and Manafort clearly committed tax fraud.
Mueller said explicitly that his report did not exculpate Trump.
Well they did manufacture a fraudulent dossier and illegally finance it with campaign funds:
“By intentionally obscuring their payments through Perkins Coie and failing to publicly disclose the true purpose of those payments” the campaign and DNC “were able to avoid publicly reporting on their statutorily required FEC disclosure forms the fact that they were paying Fusion GPS to perform opposition research on Trump with the intent of influencing the outcome of the 2016 presidential election,”
Yes I know it was a settlement with the FEC and not a criminal prosecution, but I’ll note that to date neither Trump, anyone in the Whitehouse, or in his campaign has been criminally charged either almost 2 years later.
And the dossier was released after trump was in power, wasn’t used to remove him from power, and everything Mueller found was confirmed by Republicans in the Senate. Soooooo what’s your point?
Well, they certainly wanted to use it to remove him from power, it just proved inadequate to pull it off prior to the regularly scheduled election.
But as a "but for" cause, it was sufficient to have denied him a second term.
How many elected Democrats encouraged faithless electors in 2016?
Too many, though not (to my knowledge) the incumbent president or losing candidate.
The response to this bad behavior by the other side should not have been to act even worse after the next election.
I agree with this = The response to this bad behavior by the other side should not have been to act even worse after the next election.
But you're expecting too much of politicians.
I no longer believe that 'turning the other cheek' and appealing to 'the better angels of our nature' will work, Nas.
Everything will only get worse continually, as long as we keep trying centralized government over a vast and diverse land rather than federalism and self-government.
The Democrats don't favor weak central government. Republicans claim they do but routinely ignore their own slogans as they happily pass laws that violate federalism when it comes to culture war hot points like teaching about racism, LGBT families, women's healthcare, or allowing states to enforce related anti-discrimination lawsuits. Or, bizarrely, the latest being states setting their own food quality standards.
Since both parties favor big government in fact, if not in their propaganda, I don't see any hope for those that hold to the ideology of small central government.
I agree that both parties favor big, centralized government. The Republican party has been a big government and big business crony party since its inception. Many Republican voters are so dumb, they get all worked up and think they just need to "vote harder" and send more politicians to D.C. with an (R) next to their name and think that will actually fix things.
Well Democrats tried to get electors to change their votes in 2016, there were several Democrats, including Jan 6 committee co-chair Jamie Ratskin, who tried to get electors disqualified ( Bennie Thompson objected to certifying electors in 2004 as well) in 2016and on Inauguration Day in 2016 there were riots in DC that caused massive damage. And they immediately declared their desire to impeach President Trump from day one and even led chants to that effect. Any of this ringing a bell?
So you call the whole "Trump Colluded With Russia®™ to Steal the 2016 Election Propaganda Campaign" an attempted coup.
No. Because no one tried to put Hillary or democrats back in power or keep Obama in power. It was like any other investigation meant to discredit a presidency. If that’s the case the Starr investigation was a coup attempt as were the Benghazi hearings.
Let’s say trump was removed via impeachment and removal: that’s a constitutional remedy so by definition it can’t be a coup. Trump tried to stay in power illegally. And even if trump was removed Pence would have been President. Republicans would still control the executive branch. Coups usually don’t let the same party continue in power!!!
And again: the basic facts were confirmed by the Republican led senate intelligence committee.
So the loser of the 2016 election coordinated a hoax against the winner knowing that it would embroil him in illegitimate investigations for the coming years, possibly leading up to impeachment, and that's not conspiracy?
The point was to de-legitimize Trump's claim to power, and they succeeded. It's by far the biggest political scandal in the nation's history, and nobody involved has had to pay the price.
Setting aside whether your characterization of events is even correct (spoiler alert: no), stripping out all the verbiage all you're saying is that Hillary Clinton said mean things about Trump.
And, of course, there's only about 250 years of precedent in the U.S. for politicians saying mean things about each other. Boo hoo. Do you want some more cheese with that whine?
But it's particularly rich for people who support Trump, who spent the entire Obama presidency lying about Obama's birth, to whine about attempts to "delegitimize" a president.
Saying mean things isn't quite the same as a coordinated effort to have the FBI say mean, but more importantly, false things through anonymous leaks over a number of years, while conducting the most publicized and sensationalized investigation in history based on false pretenses.
You are just making up stuff now.
Declaring coordination and anonymized leaks over years just cause really shows how much your partisan priors are writing your reality.
What part was “extralegal”? All avenues Trump tried utilized laws that exist.
Forging electoral vote certificates. Filing fraudulent, perjured claims with the courts. Coercing Pence to throw out the election results. Sending a mob to the Capitol to intimidate Congress and stop the certification, so they could attempt to forge more electoral votes.
How many perjury convictions to date? Genuine question, I haven't heard of any but I don't know.
Did they or did they not swear to something that was false?
I don't know but if they did, surely there are perjury convictions. How many to date?
I'm curious if you believe that you're fooling anyone with your feigned ignorance and shifting goalposts?
What are you babbling about now Jason? I am responding to a comment above which claims that people committed perjury. I would like to know more about that. Capiche?
I have heard that there were hundreds or maybe thousands of affidavits sworn by election workers and others claiming this or that illegal or suspect activity or irregularity. I've only seen a handful myself. It is generally claimed that the affiant is lying or confused. My understanding is judges generally did not allow any litigation or discovery to proceed over these claims, as apparently they did not find them compelling or otherwise sufficient. There have been a lot of claims of perjury/lying affiants but I haven't heard about any perjury convictions yet, and I've no reason to assume that I would have heard about it.
The fake electors who submitted paperwork claiming to be the legitimate electors for the various States and who did not condition such statements upon any court rulings:
That is perjury, is it not?
Yes there was. By the Federals against Donald Trump.
It started in 2015 and culminated in the 2020 color revolution and now we are just seeing the cleanup crew.
You forgot "There is no spoon."
I look forward to some interesting subpoenas next year.
Starting with Nancy Pelosi and Adam Shit.
Sure - once you're convinced the other side is acting in bad faith, the right thing to do is to openly act in bad faith right back.
Just incredible statesmanship here - what a vision for America you have!
Apparently you wouldn't know bad faith if it bit you on your ass.
The J6 panel isn’t acting in good faith, and if you don’t recognize that I can’t help you.
How does an ostensibly academic/legal blog, affiliated with several strong (and regretful institutions, attract such a concentration of low-quality (delusional, bigoted, half-educated, disaffected) fans?
You are of course referring to yourself, right?
I doubt there’s anyone here, including you, who thinks he was referring to himself.
Well they should, because Art is easily the most laughable of all commenters here, and at the same time so sure of his intelligence he has to point it out as often as possible.
He and WuzYoungOnceToo are in competition for most laughable commenter here. Art is basically a left wing Wuz and Wuz is a right wing Arthur and neither of them contributes much.
See, I can do “both sides” too.
Even if you're right (you're very much not - Jan 06 was a very bad thing), that is not required for my point, if you bothered to read past my first clause.
The only thing you said that was true was that you can't help.
In what way is the J6 panel not acting in good faith?
Of course.
It is called payback.
"It is called payback."
Yes, that is what make the American political climate so toxic.
"It is called payback."
I'm curious how far out you've gamed this brilliant strategy of yours.
What do you think happens if enough idiots on the other side decide that your point of view should be adopted for their own purposes? What is the end-result of a cycle of payback? What kind of decent governance can or will occur when both sides are only interested in 'payback?'
A child is capable of learning that 'payback' is not a viable life strategy, yet here you are cheering for it to be cause de jour of our political parties.
You're a fucking degenerate, and your perspective is precisely the kind of poison that needs to be excised from politics.
Only my side should get away with political prosecution!!
What is happening is not political persecution, and I don’t have a “side.”
Crawl back into your hole.
Schiff knew from the start that the “evidence” obtained from the Steeled dossier investigations was based on a hoax, yet he continued with impeachment. If that's not bad faith, I don't know what is.
Trump was not impeached because of the Steele dossier.
You're right: you don't know what is.
Setting aside how Schiff could have known "from the start" what you claim he knew from the start, impeachment had nothing to do with the Steele dossier.
Well, for one, he could have known because, while he was telling everybody that intelligence people were testifying that it was legit, they were actually testifying that they had squat on Trump.
All the Adam Schiff Transcripts
"Newly released documents show he knew all along that there was no proof of Russia-Trump collusion."
It’s going to be really funny when all the investigations don’t reveal anything even close to an attempted coup, and you all pretend it’s a huge deal.
I doubt anyone believes anything like a coup occurred. Instead, one may find the inactions or lapses by congressional leadership which were ignored or not investigated by the J6 committee due to the possibility it would exonerate Donald Trump and implicate Nancy Pelosi’s failures.
...and hey, how is the Fumbling, Bungling, Inept agency's search for whoever planted the "bombs" on Jan. 5 going? About as well as the search for the Dobb's leaker?
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-attempted-coup-federal-law-enforcement-capitol-police-2021-1?amp
He tried to stay in power through illegal means and it culminated in an attempted putsch.
If this happened in any other country you would describe it as a coup attempt.
Even if true, it would be considered payback for the Mueller investigation, which poisoned our political culture.
Congrats on advocating for political violence based on an investigation you don't like.
Pretty fascist, Michael!
The Mueller investigation was started by a fake dossier obtained by the Hillary Clinton campaign.
As for violence, what about the violence against Secret Service agents on May 29th?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
funny, when tear gas was used to disperse this crowd, you people called this violent mob "peaceful protesters".
Is not payback warranted for these lies your side told?
You've linked that like 4 times.
I don't think you read it.
And I don't care what false equivalence whattaboutism you bring - you're still advocating for political violence. I.e. terrorism.
You suck, dude.
Read the Senate Intelligence Committee report dude. Led by Rubio. Tom Cotton was on it too. It confirmed everything Mueller found
Also like Sarc said, violence in response to alleged political lies is pretty messed up. I doubt you’d be saying the same thing if Obama or Hillary decided to do a coup because Republicans engaged in birtherism or Vince foster conspiracy theories
You are off in your history. The Mueller Investigation was started by former President Trump's firing of James Comey. Jeff Sessions was the AG and was compromised by his own conversations with Russian officials. Session was therefore forced to go to a special prosecutor and chose Mueller.
False. The Mueller investigation was started because Trump fired Jim Comey in an attempt (as he admitted) to stop the FBI investigation. And the FBI investigation started before the dossier even existed, based on a Trump campaign aide drunkenly bragging about Russians offering to help him against Hillary.
A coup attempt is a justified response to an investigation that the Republican led senate intelligence committee confirmed the facts of is certainly a normal take by a normal person.
Without weapons, yeah, that was pretty well organized, yeah?
Oh yeah, I forgot. They had toy flagpoles. Super dangerous.
What goes around comes around. This will green light any House investigative committee to subpoena any politician's cell records for whatever the cause du jour is. And then they will be leaked, because thats what committees do. And anyone who thinks these records will be limited to "pertinent" information is delusional.
Republicans will quash the subpoena themselves in January, Ward just needs to run out the clock. But, be sure that the Republicans will use this newly minted invasion of privacy on Democrats.
ooh, not fair says the Democrats.
Remember the first rule of political karma: Only hit as hard as you want to be hit.
1. What if you're wrong about Democratic motives and Jan 06 is a big deal? Then you sure do look like an asshole! Unearned certainty, especially about the other side's evil intentions, can become a great excuse for authoritarianism, or worse.
2. What if you're right and Dems are just using Jan 06 to smear the GOP and try and get ahead. And so you want to do the same to them. Then whither America? Do you even care? Concern for America itself somehow didn't make it into your comment about destructive political gamesmanship.
The same people who cry about Jan 06 being a big deal are the same people who pretended there was no violence against Secret Service agents on May 29th.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
The May 29th mob was lucky it was only tear gas, instead of VX or .50 caliber bullets!
The next investigation will be the degree to which Democrats colluded with pharma companies to push covid, or hunter biden, or teachers unions and the administration, or some other nonsense.
When everything is about public safety, nothing is. It's the slipperiest of slopes in DC.
They’re lucky, but you’re lucky too. Turning Lafayette Square into Tiananmen Square would not actually play well in America except to a small cohort of people with personality disorders and Trumpism would be even more discredited.
They were throwing water bottles at secret Service agents guarding the perimeter of the White House.
Note that kist because they were throwing water bottles does not mean it was water in those bottles; Katie Piper can teach you about the concept of acid attacks.
Ity is one thing for the protesters to get in to a fight with the Park Police detachment assigned to make sure the protest stays peaxceful.
It is a whole other thing to attack guards specifically assigned to protect the White House.
"Note that kist because they were throwing water bottles does not mean it was water in those bottles; Katie Piper can teach you about the concept of acid attacks."
Just because you allege that water bottles were not filled with water doesn't mean you aren't full of shit.
You and Trump could both use a bit of life lesson in learning that allegations and insinuations are not proper substitutes for facts and evidence.
How would the Secret Service have known it was water in those bottles as those bottles were thrown at them?
How do you know it was Democrats throwing bottles and not the Proud Boys or some other seditious right wing group?
"What goes around comes around. "
Of course. And each side contributes to the spiraling downward of the American political climate. The moral high ground is far above the midgets now on the US political scene
The electorate has failed to enforce the moral high ground.
The real question is can the Republicans run an investigation. They will do their usual huffing and puffing and come up with nothing. I seriously doubt the Republican can run a tight ship like Thompson and Cheney have in the January 6th investigation.
Well, they spent roughly 116 years investigating Benghazi, so they have plenty of experience running investigations.
Now you're just a spammer.
The May 29th mob was lucky it was only tear gas, instead of VX or .50 caliber bullets!
Holy fuck what the fuck is wrong with you, you utter psycho?!
During the Bush and Obama years, conservatives and republicans loved to say liberals hated America for not supporting WoT policies or for having domestic policies that weren’t theirs. (They still do of course). Liberals rarely made the charge, even when they thought things like torture or whatever were betrayals of constitutional values there wasn’t a wide spread belief that right wingers hated America. And I agreed mostly. Right wingers and their policy preferences ranged from misguided to deeply mean-spirited. But they didn’t hate America or it’s citizens.
The Trump years changed something in my perception of the American right. I became more aware of how much a large proportion of them are salivating at the prospect of an American Tiananmen Square or some other ultra-violent response to their grievances. And it leads me to agree with Jamelle Bouie’s recent observation about The Federalist and associated fellow travelers: “these are people who hate this country and the people in it with every fiber of their being.” And they desperately want to express that hate through an orgy of violence.
You hold these beliefs after what you saw the Democrats did to American cities in 2020?
You people are delusional idiots.
I hold these beliefs by taking people like yourself at your word about what you’d do to me and people like me if you were to gain power.
Are you in the habit of throwing water bottles at Secret Service agents charged with defending the White House perimeter?
If not, do not start.
If you are in that habit, stop.
You would be lucky if the most serrious injury you suffered was a club to the face.
Ejercito is careful to say, “White House perimeter,” again and again—without mentioning that what was being defended was not the White House itself—which was never under direct attack like the Capitol was. Instead, it was a temporary barrier outside the White House fence being defended, successfully, with a reported arrest (using his link) of six protestors.
An attack on the White House itself, with a forced entry—like the one on the Capitol—would of course have resulted in the secret service killing everyone who did not immediately cease and surrender.
Ejercito is indeed trying to build a false equivalence, which his own commentary proves. And then he uses the platform of lies he built to elevate hypothetical future violence by Republicans against Americans. That kind of sick advocacy stands as a warning about what kind of future behavior Americans should expect if they empower today’s lunatic Republican Party.
What BCD is threatening to do versus what he is actually capable of doing is the same kind of gap as between a post-hole and the Grand Canyon.
Poll for those who are Republicans - when Republicans regain control of Congress should they likewise focus on Congressional "investigations" of all their political opponents crimes and start locking up political opponents, including for contempt of Congress?
Not a Republican myself but I'm curious to know what they're thinking.
A mob stormed the gates of the White House back on May 29, 2020
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/31/politics/trump-underground-bunker-white-house-protests/index.html
Of course, when this mob was dispersed by tear gas, you people started calling them peaceful protesters.
Democrats supported the May 29th violent mob.
Read the story you linked.
No storming; minor injuries to the protesters only.
Your equivalence is utterly false.
60 Secret Service personnel injured, and buildings on the White House grounds set on fire? In addition to the other nearby buildings (such as historic churches) set on fire.
That's more than "minor injuries to the protesters only".