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Ohio S. Ct. Indefinitely Suspends Judge Pinkey Suzanne Carr from Judicial Office and Law Practice
From Disciplinary Counsel v. Carr, decided yesterday:
The [Board of Professional Conduct] panel accepted the parties' stipulations of fact and misconduct and issued a 58-page report recounting limited—but representative—examples of Carr's admitted misconduct. The panel found that Carr "ruled her courtroom in a reckless and cavalier manner, unconstrained by the law or the court's rules, without any measure of probity or even common courtesy" and that she "conducted business in a manner befitting a game show host rather than a judge of the Cleveland Municipal Court." The panel concluded that Carr's actions "could not help but seriously compromise the integrity of the court in the eyes of the public and all who had business there." …
Count One—Issuing Capias Warrants and Making False Statements …
Count Two—Ex Parte Communications, Improper Plea Bargaining, and Arbitrary Dispositions …
Count Three—Improper Use of Capias Warrants and Bonds to Compel Payment of Fines and Costs …
Count Four—Lack of Decorum and Dignity Consistent with Judicial Office …
Count Five—Abuse of Contempt Power and Failure to Recuse …
I can't do justice to the whole analysis, but it's quite interesting and readable. Here's one more excerpt, though (from Count Three, as it happens, not Count Four):
Carr admitted at the disciplinary hearing that her use of capias warrants and incarceration as a means to compel the payment of fines and costs by tying the bond to the amount of the fine and costs essentially created a modern-day debtors' prison. The board found that Carr eventually discontinued this approach to enforcing the payment of fines and costs and that she gave a "characteristically colorful explanation for doing so" in open court:
You notice I'm no longer the bill collector for the Clerk's Office. I'm not your b-i-t-c-h. See, you get it? Collect your own money. There you go, player, mm-hmm. Collect your own money, player, mm-hmm. I'm not your b-i-t-c-h. Run tell that, mm-hmm. Mmhmm. How you like them apples? Suckas.
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Wow, the actual opinion shows that she was even worse than Eugene's summary. At first, I was thinking, "She sounds horrible. But, at least, it was only conduct over the course of a few years." Nope...apparently a lot of her bad acts went on for a lot longer.
I have a great deal of empathy for those with mental illness. But, I think we, as a society, can say, (a) We feel bad about your condition, AND (b) You also are totally disqualified from any position of authority while you deal with this condition. I can feel for Herschel Walker while also deciding that anyone who puts a gun to the head of another person will never get my vote. I can feel for this mentally ill judge, while also deciding that she should not have any courtroom authority. I guess that is the conservative "take responsibility for personal behavior" part of me.
You believe Walker's ex wife?
You believe Walker?
An upstanding, conservative family man over a scorned, divorced, woman? Absolutely!
How many abandoned children with multiple women does an upstanding, conservative family man get to have before bigoted, superstitious, right-wing assholes begin to think less of him, you standard Volokh Conspiracy fan?
Any DNA evidence?
Any evidence your synapses are still functional?
So that's a "no" then.
You guys stick with the argument that Walker’s admissions of paternity don’t count without proof of DNA tests. That level of thinking suits you. Enjoy your continuing walk with God, you gullible, worthless, lying Republican bigots. And know that Prof. Volokh still loves you.
I think we have a Poe’s Law case here. I can’t for the life of me tell whether Noorondor is being serious or sarcastic here.
¨An upstanding, conservative family man over a scorned, divorced, woman?¨
Herschel Walker, who has abandoned multiple children, is a family man? Who knew?
And I doubt that the ex-wife is a scorned woman. She is reportedly the one who sought the divorce. (And for good reason, it appears) https://playersbio.com/cindy-deangelis-grossman/
If you don't like Walker as an example, we can always go with Fetterman.
I trust Walker, Texas Ranger. He has a badge and everything.
Noor,
My understanding is that Walker disputes the abortion issue. But he fully acknowledges the gun-to-head issue...but blamed it on his mental incapacity status. Don't think he ever denied doing the actual deed--and it's an accusation that has been out in the public for years and years.
Walker is a train wreck by any measure.
It speaks poorly of the GOP that they couldn’t find someone qualified.
Of course. In all seriousness, they fawned over him simply because he was black.
No, the base fawned over him because Trump endorsed him. Trump could endorse Ted Bundy and his base would vote for him just to own the libs. What few grown ups remain in the GOP would be horrified but they’re not currently in charge.
Or Sarah Palin
They fawned over him because he's Herschel Walker.
They forgot that he's not famous for his intellect.
He's a Dallas Cowboys hero. Not for his play but for his trade value. That trade got the Cowboys multiple championships.
Maybe we should learn from that and trade Walker to Russia for Brittany Griner and some future early round picks.
Santa,
I've looked in several locations. And Walker never seems to "fully acknowledges the gun-to-head issue." From what I see, he says he doesn't recall that occurring. He doesn't deny it. But also doesn't acknowledge it occurring either. As you mention, it's been "years and years" and nothing has ever really arisen from it. And he apparently "has" dealt with that condition.
Warnock's got his own baggage too. His ex-wife says that he assaulted him with a car, running over her foot. He denies it, of course. And that was in 2020.
So, you're looking at a choice between two people, both flawed.
In one case, an issue from more than a decade ago, where the ex-wife says the candidate held a gun to her head. The candidate says he honestly can't recall, but apologies for any pain he may have caused.
In the other case, an issue from 2 years ago, where the ex-wife says the candidate ran assaulted her with a vehicle.
I think you are making fair points. And if someone was SO mentally unbalanced that he does not remember whether or not he held a gun to someone's head and threatened to murder them, that is an extraordinarily powerful dissociative episode. You're just about at the "not guilty by reason of mental defect" level by then.
His excuse sounds awfully convenient to me. Maybe that view is informed by my years as a therapist. Or maybe it's due to something else. Does Walker's history of telling lie after lie after lie after lie (about things easily falsifiable , like graduating top of his class--when he never graduated at all--; running a number of successful businesses, and so on) make it more likely or less likely in your mind that he's also lying about this event in the past?
Look, if someone says, "I'll vote for Walker over any Democrat b/c he'll be a reliable Rep. vote, and he'll *never* stray from Trump's orthodoxy...okay, I get that perspective. But if I, or you, or someone else, adopts that voting strategy, then presumably it would also apply to a murderer who's served his time, or a child pornography distributor, or a former member of ISIS. As long as he can convince us that he will be a reliable vote for [fill in your political party of choice], then he's acceptable.
I just can't accept that level of cynicism for myself. There are plenty of Republican's whose values have lined up enough for me, but their personal life was SO bad that I could never support them. Absolutely the same for some Democrats who have fun in the past. In my view, Herschel Walker is not only a hugely flawed person in terms of his past conduct and his lifetime of dishonesty, he's also...well, a really stupid human being. Can't we all agree that, if someone's IQ is below 90 (or, if someone presents herself/himself to the world as well below normal intelligence) we're not gonna vote for them? If we had enough integrity to do this, then within one or two election cycles, really intellectually deprived people would never make it out of the primary. Walker is the least qualified person to be this close to a major political office in my lifetime. And that's not something to be happy or proud about in any sense. (Even knowing in advance that every vote he takes will be reliable and predictable.)
Warnock's baggage is not an excuse for nominating Walker.
Walker denied paying for the abortion, telling the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, “Had that happened, I would have said it, because it’s nothing to be ashamed of there. You know, people have done that, but I know nothing about it. And if I knew about it, I would be honest and talk about it, but I know nothing about that.”
Read that again. There's nothing to be ashamed of when paying for an abortion.
"So, you’re looking at a choice between two people, both flawed."
Well, no. There is a third candidate who AFAIK hasn't been accused of assaulting anyone, and is probably more in line with more your own political views.
"But, I think we, as a society, can say, (a) We feel bad about your condition, AND (b) You also are totally disqualified from any position of authority while you deal with this condition."
Huh? It's the conduct that disqualifies you, not the condition.
12,
I don't disagree with you at all. There is zero evidence that he has dealt with his mental health issues sufficiently. (As I pointed out in this thread, earlier; he does not claim "normal" levels of past mental illness--levels that millions of Americans struggle with everyday and still manage to lead normal or fairly normal lives. No; Walker claims to have had such severe mental illness that he had no recollection of putting a gun to someone's head. He says that maybe it happened and maybe it didn't...he did not have the mental capacity to remember that night at all. There is no evidence that his massive incapacity has been successfully dealt with.)
According to progs being a violent and mentally ill your whole adult life qualifies you to be elevated to sainthood and worshipped almost like a pagan god if a white guy puts his knee to your throat as you die of an OD. And leaving a woman to drown in a lake qualifies you to be reelected to the Senate repeatedly for decades. So I don’t see what the big deal is about being elevated to senator despite some incidents in your past...
Ted Kennedy may have had his personal issues but he was a highly competent senator who accomplished a great deal. There is no reason to believe Walker would be a competent senator, or that he would accomplish much of anything beyond providing late night talk show hosts with plenty of joke material.
"Personal issues", quirks, peccadilloes, interesting personality traits.
Seriously? Fuck you and every Democrat who ever voted for that murderous piece of shit Ted Kennedy.
While I'd agree that rape is not as horrific as killing someone; I'd hardly be proud of my fellow Republicans who voted happily and proudly for a serial rapist like Trump. I suspect that you're one of the people in that group.
Not sure if anyone's covered in glory in this particular mudfight.
Didn't vote for Trump, so fuck you too.
Got a whole bunch of Kennedy-excusing motherfuckers in here.
Yeah well, Biden and Clinton are rapists too, or maybe not, but the evidence against them is at least as strong as against Trump if that's going to be your standard.
Kaz,
Shit, you have info I don't have. You mean that there are 20+ women (Republican, Democrat, and non-political) who have accused Clinton of rape?!? Over the course of decades? Before he ever went into politics??? And a similar volume who have accused Biden of rape??!!!??? Why on earth are you hiding this evidence? Get it to the authorities right away! Get it to the mainstream and conservative media right away.
On a night in which he’d had too much to drink, Kennedy drove his car off a bridge and someone was killed. He didn’t cover himself with glory and probably should have been prosecuted for manslaughter. But that’s not quite the same thing as cold hearted murder.
So his particular kind of homicide isn't quite up to your standards. Fuck you and your "redeeming qualities"
This kind of motherfucker right here is the reason that bastard Ted Kennedy got away with it all those years. Piece of shit will vote for anything with a D after it.
"didn't cover himself with glory" is Krychek-speak for driving a girl into a river and leaving her there to drown.
But her drowning was consensual.
The OP derailed the thread talking about a redline on Walker's career due to a specific incident. I'm just pointing out how her people weren't that bothered by such incidents when Teddy drowned that poor girl and tons of other instances where Dems and other leftists committed far more horrific crimes up to mass murder of millions yet were repeatedly voted in or admired or excused by mainstream leftists. Don't derail the derailment by changing the subject yet again.
And even granting that, my point is that Kennedy had redeeming qualities that Walker lacks. Such as basic competence, the ability to do the job, and a solid work ethic. I don’t excuse Chappaquiddick but I do credit him for a solid 40 years of hard work for the people of Massachusetts thereafter. There is such a thing as redemption.
He says as he excuses Chappaquiddick.
Redemption, huh? Missed where he begged the forgiveness of her family, paid restitution, and gave up drinking and womanizing.
Sounds like you missed a lot.
No, still back where we started. You making excuses for a murderous scumbag because he was in the party you like.
It is reported today that federal judge David Carter has stated in a written ruling that former Pres. Trump lied in a signed document submitted to a court with respect to election fraud claims . . . but the Volokh Conspiracy evidently proposes that the (mis)conduct of municipal judge Pinkey Carr is more noteworthy.
John Eastman ('he who shall no longer be mentioned') hardest hit.
Carry on, clingers.
Do you have a link to Judge Carter´s ruling?
Never mind, I found it. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23168579-carter-decision
David Carter was appointed by Klinton. Enough said.
https://www.ghlinks.com.gh/who-is-pinkey-susan-carr/
Pinkey Susan Carr, an Ohio judge is in the news after she was removed from the bench Tuesday for misconduct that included repeatedly lying, issuing illegitimate arrest warrants, and wearing spandex shorts, tank tops and sneakers in court.
Judge Pinkey Susan Carr was suspended indefinitely by the Ohio Supreme Court as she agreed to undergo evaluations of her mental and physical health.
Thank you. Not posting a picture of the judge was a material omission.
Material? How?
Seeing a picture of that barking gorilla tells you that she is not qualified to be a judge. You don't need to hear her quotes.
...and I think that's the last comment of yours I'll be reading.
Meta-query: Does the description "characteristically colorful explanation" for that last quote suggest appellate racism in the reference to color?
You didn’t need a picture after reading those direct quotes.
These bigots are your core audience, Conspirators. Still wondering why your deans and schools (other than South Texas and maybe George Mason) wish you would leave tomorrow?)
Back in the 60's, there was a trial court judge in my home State of Connecticut who was famous (or infamous) for greeting the prosecuting attorney each morning by saying, "Well, Mr. So-and-So, who are we going to put away today?". When the judge's term expired and he was seeking another term, the judge appeared before a committee of the State legislature, and was asked about these comments. The judge said, I won't do that anymore. So he was reappointed. And the first day on the bench in his new appointment, he said to the prosectutor: "Well, Mr. So-and-So, who are we going to put away today?".
Kennedy says in the (partial) dissent that "The focus of our judicial-discipline system is not punishing the offender." If that is so then the system is very, very badly broken. If this system won't punish an egregious offender, what will?
The dissent goes on to say that because all the misconduct occurred while she was a judge, she might still be able to be a lawyer. I'm sorry but I don't buy it. The kind of person who would willfully falsify documents, abuse those under her authority and do things that would be obvious crimes if committed by anyone else is not the kind of person that should ever be permitted in any position of trust and most definitely not as a lawyer.
If you discipline municipal court judges for that sort of behavior, how many municipal court judges will be left? I heard similar stories about St. Louis area judges.
We don't have true municipal court judges in Massachusetts. The Boston Municipal Court is branch of the state trial court, not run by employees of the Mayor. Some of the clerk-magistrates who handle small claims and traffic cases can be pretty bad. Others are competent. Depends on whether the person is on his way up the judicial ladder or counting the days until pension time.
The Commonwealth of Massachusetts court system - where the relatives of state pols go to die.
For some reason the judgment isn't loading for me, but Wikipedia gives a first clue as to the root of the problem:
Judge is democrat (if you had not already guessed....)
You spelled "politician" wrong.
Doubtful. I don’t know her party affiliation but according to the opinion she was hostile to Covid measures and hostile to criminal defendants. Does not sound like a Democrat to me.
Uh huh...
https://clevelandmunicipalcourt.org/judicial-services/meet-the-judges/judge-pinkey-s-carr
I read your link and don’t see anything in it that says she’s a Democrat. She worked for Mayor White, who is a Democrat, but Clinton and Obama both had Republicans in their cabinets so maybe not.
You may be right; she may be a Democrat. I already said I don’t know. But she’s a former prosecutor who is hostile to criminal defendants and paid no attention to Covid restrictions, none of which sounds like she’s a Democrat.
Judges in Ohio do not have political party listed on the ballot. They are, in theory, nonpartisan elections.
In practice, however, Ohio judges are nominated by and sponsored by the political parties. Carr was listed on the "vote our slate of candidates" fliers sent out by the local Democratic Party.
By the way, "hostile to criminal defendants"?!? Did you bother to read the article or the actual disciplinary findings? She routinely set low sentences, then immediately waived them. She actively undermined the prosecutorial function. She did none of the things that stereotypically "hard on crime" politicians do.
Yes, she was also hostile to other defendants in her court but that was because she's crazy (as in, yes, diagnosed with mental illness). If you look at what triggered the hostility, the examples were all based on perceived disrespect, not hostility to defendants generally.
I was referring to the ones she made come to court in the middle of a covid emergency and the ones she jailed for inability to pay fines. You're right that she mistreated the prosecutor's office too. But I think this is a case in which ideology wasn't the issue; mental health issues are. And my original comment was in response to Jimmy the Dane's comment that her party affiliation was somehow relevant.
The "hostile to criminal defendants" part is meaningless. Have you heard of a former San Francisco District Attorney Kamala Harris?
Krycheck - "I do not know a single person who voted for Trump! There is no way he could have won!"
Sometimes you don't need to do anything to highlight the ignorance and the left. They just do it themselves.
I hadn’t assumed, because there are judges who are arguably authoritarian and/or insane all across the political spectrum.
Another merit appointment.
Affirmative action! What would we do without it?
A local story with some video of the judge in action can be found here: https://www.cleveland.com/court-justice/2020/03/embattled-cleveland-judge-pinkey-carr-called-public-defender-little-idiot-after-he-asked-to-tell-his-clients-not-to-come-to-court-amid-coronavirus-pandemic-video-shows.html
Sorry can't read through all of the comments, so forgive me if someone else noted it. But it's "Susan" not "Suzanne" apparently.
According to the official records maintained by the Disciplinary Committee, it is "Suzanne". See the first row of page 2 of the very first linked document in the article above.
Interesting. Most sources though say "Susan." Including this.
https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/bpccm/Case?caseId=c32f2f19-8bc0-4e3c-8b7f-4b95ef1eb7ed
The real issue in this case is the complete unaccountability of the courts. The Ohio Supreme Court, after temporarily suspending this kook, apparently let her back to the courtroom where she abused litigants and wrongfully incarcerated people. Some of the responsibility is therefore on the Ohio Supreme Court. And to pigpile--take a look at the Ohio Court of Appeals decision that upheld the contempt conviction and jail time. And where is the press to ask these hard questions?