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Giving Yale Law School The Heave-Ho
Another way to understand the boycott of YLS grads.
A federal clerkship is a coveted position. Judges wield vast amounts of power in selecting their clerks–so vast that fear of reprisals have forced many clerks to stay quiet in the face of abuse. I even proposed eliminating clerkships as a way to eliminate this imbalance of power. But so long as federal clerkships remain, judges will still exercise nearly-unfettered discretion over who they hire.
At a minimum, clerk candidates should meet certain legal competencies: careful reading, clear writing, and sharp acumen. Beyond these checkboxes, the decision to hire one candidate over another will often come down to fit–the fit between the judge and the candidate; the fit between the candidate and other clerks in chambers; the fit between the candidate and clerks in other chambers (inter-chamber shuttle diplomacy is an undervalued attribute of clerking); and so on. Every judge will understand "fit" differently.
Some judges will also hire based on a candidate's potential for success in the future. We know all about the so-called "feeder" judges who hire clerks with an eye towards recommending them for the Supreme Court. When a Justice hires such a super-star, the "feeder" judge looks good! So "feeder" judges have every incentive to identify clerks–who often only finished 1 or 2 semesters of law school!–with the potential to go upstairs.
Fortunately, potential for success is not limited to One First Street. Many non-elect clerks will pursue distinguished careers in different fields: big law, public interest, criminal defense, academia, government, etc. I think it is very common for judges to give preferences to candidates who seek to enter one field over another. Some judges, for example, are known to feed clerks to the academy. So they may favor candidates who have published, and want to go into teaching. Other judges may have experience in public interest litigation, and provide a benefit to candidates who want to use the law degree to make the world a better place; those candidates who want to cash out in big law may be disfavored. And let's not be blind to the ideological screen. Some Democratic-appointed judges will only hire liberal clerks. Some Republican-appointed judges will only hire conservative clerks. Of course many judges (including my own) hired an ideologically heterogenous cohort. But many do not–and with the abolition of the filibuster, I suspect the number of ideologically-homogenous chambers will increase.
In short, judges evaluate a candidate based on a host of personal factors–dare one call it holistic. What has the candidate already done? And what might the candidate do in the future–or more precisely, what could the candidate accomplish if the clerkship is now on his/her resume? Yes, bestowing a clerkship on a candidate can be the key or his or her success. It opens up so many doors, including access to a clerk alumni network.
This background brings me to Judge Ho's plan to stop hiring graduates from Yale Law School. Judge Ho offered a host of reasons that support his decision, which I won't address here. Rather, I will offer another way of understanding this boycott.
Imagine you are a senior in college. You were accepted to Yale Law School, as well as several other top-tier schools. Mazal tov! Now you have a choice. How do you choose between Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Chicago, and Virginia? Perhaps there are financial constraints–some schools may give more aid than others. There may also be personal constraints, such as the need to be close to family. More likely than not, neither of these factors would tip in favor of Yale. I doubt that YLS gives substantially more generous financial aid packages, and New Haven is a pain to get to. Instead, I think an applicant would choose Yale over those other schools because of prestige. Yale is the number-one ranked law school. It looks like Hogwarts. It has the top-ranked scholars. It pumps out circuit and SCOTUS clerks at a really high rate. Many applicants have a glide-path into academia. Your classmates will go on the highest ranks of government. And so on.
Now, imagine you are a right-of-center senior in college. More likely than not, you are familiar with recent episodes on campus, including the "Traphouse" imbroglio. And even if you are not familiar with it, you will find out. How? I am reliably informed that the Harvard Law School admissions office is working with the HLS FedSoc chapter to identify conservative applicants, and persuade them to choose Harvard over Yale. And others outside of Yale are giving similar messages:
https://twitter.com/edwhelaneppc/status/1575534099401699329?s=46&t=2aKGoxK7WwDAYeNPZcUbKA
Knowing how inhospitable Yale is to conservatives, why would an applicant still pick Yale over other more tolerant places? The answer, again, is prestige. And the desire to obtain that prestige trumps a commitment to values like free speech and academic openness.
How, then, should a judge assess a conservative applicant who chooses to go to Yale? This person knowingly walked into the traphouse for the sake of an elite degree. I think it is reasonable for a judge to conclude that the applicant exercised poor professional judgment. Indeed, the judge may not want to rely on someone who would sacrifice their principles for prestige. In this regard, the Judge would choose to not hire any conservative YLS graduates because they are unreliable, and maybe even untrustworthy. They have already sold out on their values to go to YLS, and will likely sell out in similar ways in the future. In this view, choosing to go to Yale, with full information, is a failure of moral character. Who needs them? Judge Ho's boycott directly punishes the students for the choices they made, and indirectly punishes the school for failing to address its deficiencies.
Judge Ho's idea isn't entirely new. I proposed a variant of it last year during the "Trap House" scandal. I wrote:
At this point, there is only one way to make YLS suffer: deny it the prestige it so desperately seeks. Specifically, conservative and libertarian 1Ls and 2Ls should transfer out en masse to ensure that other schools can take credit for their appellate and SCOTUS clerkships. Good luck placing clerks with only three of the nine Justices and half the federal judiciary. As a plus, students who transfer out may actually learn something about the law–a useful skill for any clerkship.
I do not know if any YLS students actually transferred out. If they did, I will shake their hands. Perhaps some students chose to stay at Yale as a way to reform the institution from the inside. Good luck to them. Maybe some students were unable to transfer for a host of personal reasons. I understand. But there is some sliver of students who said, "yeah, things are awful here, but I am this closes to a Yale JD and I am not going to throw it away." These are precisely the type people who Judge Ho would not want to hire. Ditto for future graduates who knowingly choose Yale over Harvard or Chicago.
Will Judge Ho's boycott catch on? To be effective, there must be a critical mass of federal judges who participate. I am reliably informed that some judges have quietly stopped hiring from Yale Law School. They are not willing to be as vocal as Judge Ho is. If you are a judge who stopped hiring those students who willfully go to YLS, and sacrificed principles for prestige, contact me. I can serve as an anonymous clearinghouse.
I don't think the risk of a boycott is limited to the judiciary. A future Republican administration can categorically label every YLS grad a squish. It is quite feasible for President DeSantis (a HLS grad) to simply boycott all Yale grads who matriculated after 2021. Good luck with explaining why you chose to stay at YLS for that shiny brass ring as some Chicago grad gets the nom.
At some point Dean Gerken will have to take note when the annual clerkship statistics tank–especially those coveted SCOTUS slots. Eventually, she will actually have to discipline those students who break the law school's rules. And I don't mean some slap on the wrist. Expulsion would get the message across. Then, law school applicants, and federal judges, can take a second look at Hogwarts.
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How should a prospective employer assess the professional judgment, reliability, or trustworthiness of a candidate who chose to write a tuition check to South Texas College of Law?
Not sure. Do you have any specific issues with the South Texas College of Law beyond the fact that Josh Blackman teaches there?
Many universities or colleges have an individual or three on their payrolls that others may find different, irritating, or have alternate views. That is part of why tenure exists, to protect these individuals and alternative views that may not fall under the standard view of mainstream.
That’s different from an administrative culture at a university or college that suppresses alternative views.
So, do you have a particular issue with the South Texas College of Law beyond Josh Blackman?
Well, it’s in Texas, so Blackman’s presence, while odious, is hardly the worst thing about it.
South Texas College of Law is one of the worst law schools in the country. 30% of its graduates failed the bar exam last year—which, coincidentally, is the percentage of the class employed at graduation. The school is bad that it was successfully sued and forced to change its name because of a risk it would be confused with a better school. If the ABA took its responsibility to the profession seriously, the school would be closed down. Instead, it’s allowed to bilk gullible aspirants, virtually none of whom will ever have a meaningful legal career, out of $36,000 a year. Recruiting logorrheic blowhards like Prof. Blackman to facilitate the grift is certainly a symptom, but not the cause (though of course Prof. Blackman’s willingness to take part in the scam tells you what you need to know about his moral compass).
To summarize, I’d choose Yale.
Choose Yale. Close South Texas College Of Law Houston.
Sounds like a reasonable plan.
I never claimed that South Houston was the best law school in the country. Although, from my view of the stats, 79.1% of its graduates passed the bar on their first time taking it in 2022, which is above the statewide average of 75.1%.
That’s right on level with Michigan State (79.1%), SUNY Buffalo (79.0%), and the University of San Francisco (78.4%). I wouldn’t call them top tier law schools, but not every lawyers is going to be (or needs to be) from a top tier law school.
If you’re looking at the “worst law schools in the country”, that’s more on the level of Howard University (69.9%), Golden Gate University (44.1%) or Western Michigan (45.9%). You might want to focus your attention there.
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-law-schools/bar-pass-rate-rankings/texas
The fact you think one of the “worst law schools in the country that should be shut down” just happens to be the one that Blackman teaches at…without looking at the statistics, and the dozens of law schools below it. And not arguing about any of them….
Seems to look like bias.
Yeah, noscitur is totally into self deception and bad faith. Good call, AL.
There’s no self deception or bad faith.
Internal bias is a real problem that affects all people, especially when a comprehensive real look at the statistics in context isn’t done. People “know” South Houston is a bad law school because it’s a bad law school, and that’s what people know. But that’s how bias works.
Comprehensively looked at however, South Houston isn’t that bad a law school. And presenting statistics to that effect helps to demonstrate it. Is it top tier? No. But it’s not bottom 10% either. Not every law school is going to be the best. There need to be some average ones, and there’s nothing wrong with that.
He (AL) said bias; you said bad faith. What are the objective data?
South Texas is not a “bad law school,” and it’s certainly not regarded that way by lawyers in Texas. It’s among the better law schools for part time students, and it’s tied for third best in the country for its trial advocacy program, which is way better than the much more prestigious law school that I went to or any Ivy League school. It tends to attract people who work for a living while earning their degree and want to actually try cases when they get out of school.
“South Texas College of Law Houston is one of only three in the nation consistently ranked in the top 10 for trial advocacy by U.S. News & World Report. To date, the law school’s Advocacy Program has won more than 131 national advocacy championships. No other law school in the United States has won half as many.”
Sure it’s from the School’s website, but it’s still true.
https://www.stcl.edu/academics/advocacy-program/
So it serves people of character who are overcoming life circumstances and disadvantageous starting points?
Yeah, I can see lefties hissing and spitting at such an institution.
Six American law schools are ranked below South Texas College of Law Houston. Six. Of 200.
That is a shit-rate school. To reach that depth, a school needs a poor reputation, shambling students, a downscale faculty, and nondescript alumni.
Where? You have a source for that? There are several lists of law school rankings. None of them are 100% in agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_school_rankings_in_the_United_States
Kirkland has been lying about this for years, by disingenuous phrasing. The claim “6 of 200 schools are ranked lower” is designed to make one think that 193 of 200 schools are ranked higher. But that’s not at all true.
One could honestly say that it’s a 4th tier school. But honesty and Kirkland are as compatible as Trump and human decency. So he has to go for the misrepresentation.
Then identifying seven schools ranked lower in the leading ranking should be something even a lying apologist for bigots who claims to be a lawyer should be able to do.
Mr. Nieporent again deploys the ‘he’s lying’ accusation in an attempt to defend his fellow bigoted deplorables.
Again, he is lying.
South Texas is tied at 192 (with a bunch of others) in a ranking of 198. How many schools are ranked below South Texas? Six. Precisely six.
Lie and flail as much as you like, Mr. Nieporent. Try as you might to distinguish yourself from the racists, dopes, superstitious gay-bashes, white nationalists, and immigrant-hating jerks who are your fellow right-wingers and Volokh Conspiracy fans, you are just another deplorable, hopeless, faux libertarian culture war casualty, awaiting replacement.
How you wish to spend your time until you are replaced by your betters is your call. Defend Republicans, racists, the Volokh Conspiracy, its bigoted target audience, conservatives, and misogynists as much as and however you wish. But know that you will be replaced, and until then you will continue to comply with the preferences of your betters.
Arthur, really? I read DN’s posts. You are off base.
That goes from lie by omission to outright lie. As your own link shows, it is tied at 147, not tied at 192.
It is tied at 147 and at 192.
Is faux libertarian, right-wing math different, the way clinger English differs from standard English?
Gibberish. Kirkland, caught in a lie, resorts to his usual likely macro-generated trolling.
It’s understandable why he’s too embarrassed to use his real name here. (Well, that and the overt anti-semitism.)
Six ranked lower. Not seven. Six, you right-wing, faux libertarian bigot.
Gee, due to the efficacy of the block feature, I have to reconstruct his posts from the insulting and dismissive responses they generate.
I find this entirely satisfactory.
As I said, South Texas College of Law is one of the worst law schools in the country. Regrettably, there are many more that are willing to profit by fleecing unqualified students (and the people backing their loans) by selling them on the false hope that they can have real legal careers. By no means did I intend to imply that South Texas College of Law is the only school that should be shut down.
So, put a number on it. Should the bottom 10% of law schools by bar pass rate be shut down? Bottom 20%? Bottom 30%? Bottom 50%?
Is everything below 50% the “worst schools”? Or just below 30%?
I’d support closing half the law schools in the country, but to be clear, South Texas College of law couldn’t see the 50th percentile with the Webb Telescope.
Now if you’re just going by the previously linked study, South Texas isn’t in the bottom 10%, nor the bottom 20%, or even the bottom 30%. It is in the bottom 50%.
But you’d support cutting 50% of law schools? Seems a bit drastic. Not every lawyer needs to be Ivy League. Not every lawyer needs to be “big law”. You need “normal” lawyers.
For the sake of argument, assume cutting 50% of law schools results in cutting approximately 50% of the graduating class. That would cut the number of lawyers graduating in the US to ~19,000 a year. That’s less than the number than have graduated…since at least 1963 (when 20,776 graduated, the lowest number I’ve been able to find)).
If you think South Texas is at the midrange, you are an especially stupid bigot.
Like Pseudoprofessor Blackman – a man so deranged he supports people who want to gas him.
It is odd that when Prof. Blackman sees a bunch of white conservatives marching and chanting “Jews will not replace us” and “blood and soil,” he thinks ‘I’m with those guys.’
If you’re looking at employment after graduation.
South Houston School of law sits at 64.5%.
Could that be higher? Sure. South Houston isn’t a top tier law school. But it’s higher than dozens of other schools. The aforementioned University of San Francisco sits at 49.6%.
Honestly, what’s most surprising is YALE’s employment percentage. This “should” be a top tier law school, with the best teachers, best applicants, and a near guarantee of a job coming out. It sits at 74.8% employment. That’s….embarrassing. That’s on the level of Tulane or Georgia State.
Columbia is sitting at 95.9%. University of Chicago at 93.6% UPenn at 87.9%…and Yale is all the way at the bottom of what would be considered “top tier” law schools at 74.8%. As a potential student…that’s a concern about Yale.
https://www.lawschooltransparency.com/trends/jobs/legal-jobs?scope=schools
If you think a quarter of Yale law graduates from any class are unemployed, you are as dumb as the average right-wing fan of this blog.
According to the U.S. News rankings, South Texas College of Law has a 36.6% employment rate at graduation. Yale, by contrast, has an 89.2% rate.
Other than that, great post!
So, I provided a clear link to the stats.
Do you dispute what was linked?
Hey, give him a break, he actually looked for some data this time. And sure, he uses the US News ranking, which in its 32 year history has had 31 years of severe criticism and fraud scandals, but at least it is a source.
One big problem with the data he has chosen to cite is that hiring is heavily based on law school ranking (a constant critique of the ranking since 1990), applications are heavily based on ranking, and ranking is determined in part by hiring and applications – a self-reinforcing loop.
A much better piece of data to use would be the bar passage rates, which would indicate something about the quality of the education, but that doesn’t make Yale and South Texas look so different.
And, of course, the constant scandals with schools doing like like faking LSAT scores, or hiring their own graduates to inflate their numbers, couldn’t impact anything. To quote the New York Times about he US News ranking: “Enron-type accounting standards have become the norm.”
According to ArmchairLawyer’s link (since you seem to find that reliable), Yale has a first time bar passage rate of over 98%.
That seems pretty different to me!
You mean this one?
https://www.lawschooltransparency.com/trends/jobs/legal-jobs?scope=schools
Well, yes. I said job offers at graduation, that site says it’s reporting employment nine months after graduation.
Here’s a question…
Why are the number of Yale students who actually have legal jobs so much LOWER than the number of job offers at graduation?
Because people offer employment, but it is rejected in favour of further study.
I love to watch Volokh Conspiracy fans flail like this.
Mostly because I do not like bigots.
Carry on, clingers.
But perhaps I should respond to your initial post here.
“How should a prospective employer assess the professional judgment, reliability, or trustworthiness of a candidate who chose to write a tuition check to South Texas College of Law”
Let’s say you have the intellectual chops, LSAT scores, etc, to get into Yale Law. But, you’re also conservative in your views, and you don’t exactly hide that. You know to a large extent, your future job prospects are going to rely on the recommendations you get from your professors, and the connections you draw there. And apparently, Yale actively discriminates against people with your political views.
Are you going to get positive recommendations at Yale? Or will the professors look at your political views and…not give them. Or worse, give backhanded compliments. Will you be one of the 25% of Yale students who apparently don’t get a long term legal profession. No…you’ll probably want to apply elsewhere.
But let’s say your only two choices are South Houston and Yale. If you can get into Yale, you will likely EXCEL at South Houston. It’s a different class of student. Moreover, you won’t be a social pariah due to your political views. And rather than have to worry about your professor writing off an average Yale Law Student for her “unorthodox” political views, the professors at South Houston will be accepting and say you’re one of their top students.
In such a situation, South Houston may be the better choice realistically. The active discrimination from Yale, coupled with the near requirement for positive recommendations to get a decent job….In reality, you’d likely apply to a different law school. But if it was just those two…
I’m all for steelmanning, but this is ridiculous. There are zero real world situations where it would make sense for a student to go to South Texas College of Law over Yale. Indeed, I would be shocked to learn that a single student had ever made that choice. Indeed, I’d imagine there are very few students even presented with such a choice, because the kind of students who get into Yale don’t apply to schools like South Texas College of Law. (Some of the scammer school do preemptively admit students that didn’t apply. I don’t do if South Texas College of Law is one, but I doubt they’d waste their time targeting potential Yale matriculators.)
You’ll note that not even Prof. Blackman, shameless though he be, suggested anything of the sort. (“You were accepted to Yale Law School, as well as several other top-tier schools. Mazal tov! Now you have a choice. How do you choose between Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Chicago, and Virginia?”) With all due respect, the fact that you could even seriously take the time to make such a suggestion is a pretty clear signal of your lack of understanding of this subject.
Again, the caveat at the end was “In reality, you’d likely apply to a different law school. But if it was just those two…”
Just those two is a hypothetical. But, this is a case of one school actively discriminating against your minority, versus a second that doesn’t. You say there’s “no situation”.
Consider, why do some African Americans go to Historically Black Colleges, instead of the Ivy League colleges they were accepted to. The rankings are so very different. Why choose the lower ranked school? It may make sense if you will be actively discriminated against by the professors and students at the higher ranked school. Indeed, it makes logical sense.
If you don’t believe the discrimination really exists, then it doesn’t make sense to you. It’s nuts. But if it does, would you go to a school KNOWING you will be discriminated against, KNOWING that your professors will not write you recommendations because of your beliefs.
Can you in good conscience say you would have no problem getting a job after law school if none of your professors wrote you recommendations?
(For more on HBCUs and the choices people make)
https://www.teenvogue.com/story/high-school-seniors-choose-hbcus-over-ivy-league
Speaking as a former conservative law student at a top law school with a liberal culture and a lawyer who currently hires lawyers, your position is still ridiculous.
There are clearly some real problems with the culture and the administration at Yale. Big enough problems that, were I applying to law school, it would be appropriate to think very carefully about whether it was the right choice.
That said, the suggestion that a conservative student at Yale “KNOW[S] your professors will not write you recommendations because of your beliefs” is ridiculous. And even if it were the case, a Yale grad with no references from professors is still orders of magnitudes better off in any job search than someone with a South Texas College of Law degree.
A Yale grad with no references from law school. No clerkships. No internships. Mediocre grades
Or a little podunk law school where the graduate has glowing references from professors. Glowing references from judges for her clerkships. Glowing references from the interships they did. Outstanding grades.
Which do you pick?
“A Yale grad with no references from law school. No clerkships. No internships. Mediocre grades”
YLS doesn’t have grades.
The answer to that nonquestion is obviously the yale grad. One has an education, the other is a salesman-type good for scamming racists.
The Yale grad. (The fact that you suggested it’s possible for someone from Yale to have “mediocre grades”, or that recommendations are necessary to secure internship, further shows how out of your depth you are, but I’ll try to engage with the spirit of your question.)
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a resume from South Texas College of Law, but we do see them from comparably bad institutions occasionally. Those people aren’t even going to get an interview for entry level positions. I suppose we might be willing to talk to an experienced attorney with a truly stellar record since graduation—but of course, going to a school like South Texas College of Law will close you out of most opportunities to do the kind of work that would count.
You also just have to look around to see that conservative Yale grads have absolutely no trouble finding top flight employment in big law, academia, and government.
So, that’s unfortunately a form of bias.
Take a Yale student who has a transcript of 5 or so low passes, the rest just passes, no recommendations, no internships.
You would still take them as a lawyer over a student with excellent recommendations and grades and internships from a “lesser” school? Simply because “they went to Yale”?
You keep trying to post through it, even after being thoroughly shown to not know what you are talking about.
“that’s unfortunately a form of bias.”
Once again you show you don’t understand the difference between justifiable discrimination and unfair unjustifiable discrimination. It is perfectly reasonable to discriminate between candidates for employment based on their academic records.
Low grades from Yale are significantly greater achievements than high grades from a diploma mill, obviously.
If it were just those two, again, as noscitur wrote: “There are zero real world situations where it would make sense for a student to go to South Texas College of Law over Yale. Indeed, I would be shocked to learn that a single student had ever made that choice.”
Because Armchair Lawyer only went to Armchair Law School and only practices Armchair Law, he knows nothing about the legal profession, and thinks that reading a Josh Blackman post gives him insight. They could have weekly sessions at Yale Law School where they beat conservative students over the head with tire irons, and it would still be a better choice for both educational and career reasons for those conservative law students than South Texas College of Law.
Well, money. Yale costs at least twice as much. If you can afford South Texas but not Yale, that may be your best choice.
Now, law schools are called a field where the name matters far more than the quality of the education (and much criticism of law school rankings revolves around that), so you can argue that it would be worth it for a student admitted to Yale to attend no matter what, but that’s unrelated to the quality of the school.
That said, if money (or similar non-academic factors) was not an issue, then yeah, any student would be crazy to attend South Texas over Yale.
With the current state of student loans, there are precisely zero students who can afford to go to South Texas College of Law but cannot afford to go to Yale. And taking out a loan to go to Yale is the infinitely smarter economic decision.
If by “current state” you mean that the Federal government is forgiving loans, maybe so.
But there are many damned good reasons that people would not want to take on an additional $100,000 (or more!) of debt for a different school, or be unable to get such a loan. Just an example is that Federal loans would cover all of South Texas, but not Yale.
These clingers are competing to provide sillier and dumber comments. It seems to come naturally to them. Great collection of fans you have cultivated, Volokh and Company. They are the audience you deserve.
What a stupid argument. The Conspirators attract the fans they deserve. No wonder conservatives get their asses kicked by their betters in the culture war.
Being part of the winning team is nice.
You can be sure that I will never hire one. But then, they’d never make the initial screening rounds at my firm. South Texas isn’t on our radar at all.
South Texas grads would struggle to be hired as paralegals at the firms that employ Yale graduates. They probably could catch on as secretaries and messengers.
Anyone who has not made partner at a big firm — or reached a genuinely similar position — likely shouldn’t be commenting on this subject.
How, then, should a judge assess a conservative applicant who chooses to go to Yale? This person knowingly walked into the traphouse for the sake of an elite degree.
Hang on, conservatives are supposed to disfavour individuals who choose their college by maximising lifetime earnings? That’s a form of conservatism I’ve never encountered before…
You haven’t encountered that form of conservativism before? Really….I think you need more exposure.
Policing conservative choices towards ideology and against capitalism is indeed a notable thing for a conservative to want.
Sign it’s less about ideals and more about tribal purity.
Against Capitalism?
Yale grad salaries are not small.
“Against capitalism”?
Not sure you really grasp what capitalism is from that comment.
I thought it was about freedom to pick where you believe the most value lies. Ho wants to substitute his judgment for that of the market. Not due to the individual students quality, but due to collateral issues.
If you are pissed at Biden picking a black woman Justice this should not be cool.
“I thought it was about freedom to pick where you believe the most value lies”
Yeah…you don’t really grasp what capitalism is.
Tell me then, oh cryptic one.
wtf dude
https://lmgtfy.app/?q=capitalism
this is basic shit
Rolling asshole rather than answering. Lame move. If you didn’t like my argument, engage with it next time. If you think you are equal to making your case.
I’m not sure how you think capitalism is not compatible with an employer choosing employees based upon their perceived value.
Remember: The employer picks from applying employees to hire. Would-be employees have no ‘right’ to be hired by an employer.
Except the reasoning is not based in expected value if the individual.
Whose “reasoning”? And for what act? Can you try to express clear thoughts, please?
Are you referring back to Ho? Because your comment I was replying to was about what capitalism was, not about the potentially irrational decision making of a single individual (which under zero circumstances is all of “capitalism”).
The employer is not picking employees here. Individual merit or value are not involved. This is an attempt to narrow individual choices in the academic market for reasons other than value, but rather for partisan politics.
If you think that’s capitalism,that individual choice isn’t part of the equation, your definition is so broad it is useless.
Boycotts and hiring decisions are both capitalism – they are individuals making economic choices. This is true if they are deciding about specific individuals over the exact merits, or if they are deciding over entire groups that you think have attributes you don’t like.
The employer is the individual who you are ignoring here – the would be employees don’t make the decision. I’m not ignoring them; they’re irrelevant. You are focusing on some imagined positive right you seem to think they have. To say it yet again: they don’t have any right to be hired.
I have no idea at this point what you think capitalism IS. Individual economic choices are an essential part of capitalism, and it’s hard to get more basic than hiring decisions. Your refusal to acknowledge that leave me wondering what you think you are talking about.
Ho isn’t a consumer. He is a public servant!
Are you talking about Ho, or capitalism? Make up your mind, damn it!
A single individual’s actions are not the template for an entire theoretical economic model that predated that individual by centuries.
Pushing people to make choices based on ideology is a “Sign it’s less about ideals”? How do you figure?
One of the ideals is freedom to choose, especially based on value.
This is about tribe.
So if they choose based on ideology, it is a “Sign it’s less about ideals”? C’mon, even you are capable of a more coherent argument,
Oh come on now, using economic power in an attempt to force outcomes and compliance is pure capitalism.
Not to these lot.
Even if one were to accept, ad argumentum, that this is “capitalism”, surely it is ideological capitalism, no?
Taking issue with conservatives choices to go to Yale? No – as I said that’s tribal not ideological.
A Yale degree offers plenty of opportunities. Purity policing those who choose such for impurity are trying to inject something other than best value into the market.
Of the rich and powerful juke the system like that, but most on the right don’t really call that capitalism. Leftists do, of course.
No, that’s not what you said. You wrote “Policing conservative choices towards ideology …[is] Sign it’s less about ideals and more about tribal purity”
That was nonsense, and you know it.
Just take the time to express yourself more clearly next time
You’re confusing conservative and Republican.
I’m thinking you need to attend YLS to see if your suppositions based on your anonymous sources are correct.
In the old days the best way to get onto a major league roster was to be a left-hand hitting catcher.
Elite law schools are overwhelmingly liberal but the federal bench is split about evenly between Democratic and Republican appointees. A typical conservative student getting high grades, who shows conservative affiliations on his resume, has a much easier chance of getting a clerkship, no matter which elite school he goes to, compared to a typical liberal student with the same grades.
Elite law schools are overwhelmingly liberal but the federal bench is split about evenly between Democratic and Republican appointees.
Is that actually the case? Define ‘about’.
So the way to encourage political diversity at Yale is to discourage conservative students from attending?
I’m not interested with whether Yale is politically diverse or not. It’s beyond corrupt. Burn Hogwarts to the water line.
Observing downscale culture war losers and bigoted conservatives such as Kleppe and Blackman offer tips to their betters is quite a treat.
If you’re a conservative student why the hell should you be the one to suffer the psychological beating of trying to change such an inbred culture? Fuck it. Not my problems and the powers that be aren’t gonna change it anyway. I can go somewhere where I’ll be treated decently and end up in the long run about where I would have coming out of Yale.
If you’re a conservative student why the hell should you be the one to suffer the psychological beating of trying to change such an inbred culture?
I don’t know. Nobody forces a conservative to go to Yale. Presumably those who choose to go are willing to deal with the culture. Who are you, or Ho, or I, to tell them it’s an unwise decision?
Students choose their schools for lots of reasons. Ho deciding to punish those who choose Yale for reasons he has no clue about is supremely dickish behavior.
I don’t care to tell anyone where to go. You asked a question about changing the culture at Yale and I answered it from my perspective.
Ho is engaging in some dickish behavior, I guess. Dickish behavior appears to be a way of life for the administration of YLS. Scale is not comparable.
In my 30+ year career, I worked with engineers from innumerable collages. I found that where someone goes to school is not that big of a deal. It’s how they do it and what they do with it that ultimately matters. And there isn’t really any appreciable difference between smart, motivated people from the “best” school and those that went to the “bad” schools. If anything, the folks from lesser schools can be a little easier to work with.
If I had a college age kid that was choosing and leaned right, I’d tell them to consider other good options. Not worth the distraction. Ultimately their choice of course.
I’m also not at all sure the culture is as toxic as described.
Sarcastro, if they were crucifying conservative students in the quad on video you wouldn’t be convinced that the culture was bad.
Or maybe it’s you who can’t see what’s true.
the right wing victimhood narrative has proven exaggerated and anecdotal a lot.
Citing anonymous sources was not impressive.
FIRE is not an anonymous source. And shore, I’m a hard core right winger.
I’m not going to respond on this subject to you any more.
FIRE cited anonymous sources.
And they have a political bent, particularly on this, their chosen issue. Calling them a honest broker and legit sole source isn’t mistake.
The universality and magnitude Blackman assumes is not supported.
Imagine a private business that’s explicitly hostile to . . . let’s say blacks. Being a private business, they are (or at least should be) completely free to continue in their bigoted ways. However, the rest of society, for its part, is also free to boycott such a bigoted business.
Yale is a private school. If they want to engage in open bigotry against conservatives — more power to them. But the rest of of society ought to respond in a fashion similar to that described above — to disassociate itself from Yale as much as possible. I don’t see anything wrong with Judge Ho’s proposed boycott.
I strongly doubt improving Yale is Ho’s goal.
This is how you be anti-Marxist. Take action against the Democrats.
Good start.
Nothing condemnation this post and author like the ass of reactionary losers in favor of this.
The most conservative thing is owning the libs. The more libs are owned the more conservativer it is.
It’s called “fighting back”, which of course makes you wet your panties.
Yes, we’ll fight back by voting against things we used to support!
This article isn’t about voting. It’s about not hiring progressive fascists being groomed to hate Whitey and America in a Democrat law school.
Keep whining, bigots.
It’s how your betters locate you, to continue stomping your stale, ugly right-wing thinking into irrelevance in the culture war.
I do not like bigots. I guess I can never be a Republican like the Volokh Conspirators.
Can you explain in your own words why you think blacks are uniquely too stupid to get an ID?
This is your target audience, Volokh Conspirators.
Because you cultivate a following of bigots.
No wonder your law schools wish you would leave.
Poor means stupid to you,
Checks out,
Meanwhile, poor = black to you.
lol wow you’re pretty gross
Totally what I said.
God you are lame. Take it to 4chan.
“The most conservative thing is owning the libs. The more libs are owned the more conservativer it is.”
More accurately, the most partisan thing is owner the . The more are owned the more partisan it is.
It has nothing to do with that attitude being conservative, or Republican. That’s just the dominant strain of partisan tribalism.
“It looks like Hogwarts.”
Yes, we must keep our eye on the ball here and focus on what really matters.
In this regard, the Judge would choose to not hire any conservative YLS graduates because they are unreliable, and maybe even untrustworthy. They have already sold out on their values to go to YLS, and will likely sell out in similar ways in the future.
Should anyone capable of that degree of pure ideological prejudice even have a law license, let alone an opportunity to teach law? Isn’t there some kind of good character requirement for being a lawyer?
There is/was for teaching philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bertrand_Russell_Case
Personally, I think it’s a bit early to institute a clerkship-boycott of YLS graduates — plenty of not-very-political undergrads may have settled on YLS based on its reputation without ever hearing about the “traphouse” imbroglio. Also, from what I read, the other top tier law schools aren’t exactly models of free speech and thought. (I went to Harvard College, and I snicker when I see comments that suggest that Harvard LS is “moderate”).
Frankly, if anyone asked me, I’d say judge the clerk candidate on his/her merits, and to the extent that political/idealogical leanings are part of that, evaluate the individual applicant, not his/her law school.
And for those of you commenters who endlessly go on about how unimpressed you are by the South Texas College of Law, I note that Josh clerked for Judge Danny Boggs on the 6th Circuit, and Danny is the smartest person, or at least the smartest lawyer, I have ever known, and if he hired Josh that’s credential enough for me.
Boggs hired Blackman for ideological reasons, you bigoted dumbass.
I am prepared to stipulate that Prof. Blackman is among the more impressive members of the South Texas College of Law faculty.
I have trouble seeing why you think this fact is a defense of South Texas College of Law.
Yale is as good as any other law school in the United States, perhaps better than any other. It is among the reasons the liberal-libertarian mainstream has been able to shape for decades the national progress underlying modern America.
I hope it can withstand the criticism of a South Texas College of Law Houston professor, disaffected culture war loser, and immature partisan hack.
Open wider, clingers. You get to whine about it all you wish, and continue to nip at the mainstream’s ankles and heels, but you will continue to comply with even more progress, arranged against your wishes and efforts by better Americans.
How many law schools are ranked below South Texas College of Houston these days? It is six — of two hundred?
If I made my living taking money from the uninformed sadsacks who pay to attend South Texas College of Law Houston, I would be ashamed and relatively quiet.
Failure of moral character to attend YLS? This blog gets more stupid all the time
Imagine you are a senior in college. You were accepted to Yale Law School, as well as several other top-tier schools. Mazal tov! Now you have a choice. How do you choose between Yale, Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Chicago, and Virginia? Perhaps there are financial constraints–some schools may give more aid than others. There may also be personal constraints, such as the need to be close to family. More likely than not, neither of these factors would tip in favor of Yale. I doubt that YLS gives substantially more generous financial aid packages, and New Haven is a pain to get to. Instead, I think an applicant would choose Yale over those other schools because of prestige.
Wow. Talk about an arrogant know-it-all jackass. Where the fuck does Blackman get off imagining he knows all about why students choose Yale instead of somewhere else.
there is some sliver of students who said, “yeah, things are awful here, but I am this closes to a Yale JD and I am not going to throw it away.” These are precisely the type people who Judge Ho would not want to hire.
You mean Ho does not want to hire rational people?
I’m trying to imagine the type of person who would actually leave Yale Law in an attempt to curry favor with Judge Ho or a similar judge.
How desperate and obsequious would you have to be to do that?
I mean, yeah, what kind of asshole would choose a college that they might enjoy attending. Much better to be a pariah.
No I mean what kind of asshole would leave after a year of law school in a pathetic attempt to suck up to conservative judge?
If you’re making your law school decision based on owning the libs you’re a moron. If you’re making it to go somewhere where you’ll be more comfortable, why not?
If you’re making it to go somewhere where you’ll be more comfortable, why not?
If you transfer to be more comfortable, fine.
But not doing so is not remotely “poor professional judgment,” or an indicator of bad moral character, unreliability, or untrustworthiness, as Blackman claims.
WTF is wrong with that guy?
You are assuming a lot about what Yale is like.
You do know that there are plenty of people who are conservative at universities who have a fine time, eh?
I’m reading the news. From neutral places like FIRE.
I don’t really want to talk about it with you. They could machine gun 50 students on live tv and you’d counsel not leaping to conclusions.
FIRE is cool but not neutral. And all about the confirmation bias by their very nature.
Your repeated cartoonish takes on what I would think should tell you where you are on this. Condoning political violence? Really? You do know I want an affirmative effort to hire more conservative faculty.
When you think the other side is a cartoon, maybe your certainty is driven by other than facts
If you think FIRE is neutral, I think we have identified one of the elements of your mental health issues. Therapy successful!
Any college student who is choosing a law school based on which specific appellate judge they want to clerk for is probably just the worst and everyone in the unchosen school, dodged a bullet,. And that goes doubly so for someone who already wants to clerk for a judge whose main calling card is making tedious and insufferable blogposts he calls concurrences to his own majority.
As I understand it, Judge Ho is calling on other judges to join his boycott. If he succeeded in getting even, say, 10% of the federal judiciary on board (note: he won’t, obviously), I could see that being a reasonable factor to weigh in an applicant’s calculus.
Jake Tapper had an interesting take on college rankings
https://fb.watch/fUA9K5r2K1/
Yale is the type of leftist school that came up the brilliant idea that when the drafters of the 14th Amendment wrote “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law,” they really meant “No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the right of a homosexual man to penetrate another man to completion and stick the taxpayer with the bill for his antiretrovirals.”
Ho assumes that 1) all students of YLS have political beliefs, 2) those political beliefs are powerful and central to every student’s lives 3) those beliefs (if the student is a fervent conservative) cannot withstand the overwhelming and mesmerizing thrall of liberalism, and 4) Yale teaches “liberal law”, which makes them incapable of understanding or practicing … whatever Ho thinks is “real” law.
The massive partisan blind spot that such a set of beliefs requires is frightening in a judge if any stripe, never mind someone who was on Trump’s/Federalist’s/Heritage’s shortlist for the Supreme Court.
Fortunately it should have almost no impact on anything. So one judge won’t take Yale Law grads? How many more are out there? How many clerkships are available each year? For that matter, how many YLS grads wanted/will want to clerk for Ho?
It seems like Ho is playing partisan games. You’d expect better from someone in his position.
Your claims about what Ho is assuming tell more about you (and the assumptions you make) than they do about Ho.
Mr. Picky would point out that “sharp acumen” is like “round circle” or “verdant green.”
Screw law schools. Let’s open things up for a little, or a lot, more competition:
1) only a small number of states allow a person to take the bar who has read the law for a predetermined period of time. Expand that in every state.
2) allow graduates of accredited law schools from other nations to take bar exams. Expand the number of states that allow foreign educated lawyers to take the bar and remove the ABA from the process of vetting their education.
3) reduce state restrictions on what tasks non-lawyers can perform. This is not a direct means of competing with law schools but it may allow people to choose the legal field while not having to attend law school. Consider the medical analogy of the physician assistant and the doctor. The PA works under the guidance and supervision of the MD. Expand upon that concept in the legal field
4) allow more distance learning: again, the ABA has its grip on things by not accrediting schools that offer a full online JD
More low quality lawyers sounds like the absolute last thing that our society needs right now.
I don’t know. Donald Trump has been using them up pretty fast.
Yeah, because John Marshall, Abe Lincoln and Patrick Henry are such poor examples of lawyers who did not attend law school.
And I am certain if you studied at Oxford, your skills as a lawyer must be “low quality”.
And heaven forbid anyone do some of the more mundane tasks of a lawyer while under their supervision!! The entire legal system might crumble without lawyers doing everything!
How about giving your elitist BS a rest.
state certification =/= quality
not being certified =/= low quality
#3, especially. I’d eliminate state licensing entirely, but limiting the licensing requirement to representing somebody in court would be an excellent first step.
It is all the rage when the left says employers should not hire students from conservative or religious schools for various reasons. Guess they don’t like it when the chickens come home to roost.
Who says that?
Nobody has ever said that oh my god. Making things up to be enraged about is not healthy.
The real issue here is that judge Hohoho has openly stated that he holds views which challenge the basis on which he was appointed. You can’t have a judge who doesn’t accept the rule of law.
It is obvious that Ho should resign given his beliefs, but in any case he has to be suspended and eventually fired once process has been followed. Every case he has ever been involved with must be reopened and examined by a judge who does not admit to allowing gross breaches of integrity and extreme political prejudice to overrule the law of the land.
Presumably there are also criminal charges to be brought.
The question of whether his boycott is sane or sensible is irrelevant given it’s flagrantly illegal.
The real issue is he wouldn’t want to hire a clerk who blatantly believes it is ok to to shut down and physically harass an invited speaker who holds a different point of view
And a school that teaches law shouldn’t be rewarded for allowing future lawyers to display such blatant contempt for opposing views
You think all Yale grads are into shutting down speakers?
No, Yale as an institution is actively permitting shutting down speakers, with at most a wrist slap to those who do so. At least those who are of the correct ideological bent.
Which means something is seriously wrong with it as an institution.
Yale grads seem fine, and include plenty of conservatives. Condemning the individuals for blanket reasons having nothing to do with quality is ridiculous.
” No, Yale as an institution is actively permitting shutting down speakers, with at most a wrist slap to those who do so. At least those who are of the correct ideological bent. Which means something is seriously wrong with it as an institution. ”
By that standard, students from no religious school that enforces dogma by viewpoint-driven censorship and flouting of academic freedom — from Regent to Liberty, Notre Dame to Brigham Young — should be eligible to be hired as clerks.
Are any right-wingers ready to embrace that position, or is principle irrelevant to their analysis consequent to partisanship?
Republican judges don’t want to hire Yale clerks? They want to hire conservative, Republican bigots from the Federalist Society?
Do as you wish, clingers. Until replacement.
Notice how reductio ad absurdum works as a social force.
Each side has crazies. Each side focuses exclusively on the other sides crazies as evidence the other side must be wrong, and hence it, the world having only two possible choices and the middle excluded, must be right. The result is that confidence in ones own side grows, and any criticism doesn’t get listened to. Each side simply stops listening to or indeed being aware of the wxistence of anything anyone else on the other side has to say, it sees ONLY the other side’s crazies.
As a consequence, unchecked by any criticism, each side tends to move towards its crazies. If the other sife is crazy, ANYTHING our side says must be right! Thus both sides use each other to reduce themselves to absurdity.
In all candor, the Democrats have done a better job of checking their crazies than the Republicans at this point. Not a perfect job, but a better job. You might like Joe Biden’s policies. But he is not crazy. And he is not actively inflaming his party’s crazies.
There are definitely crazies on the left. Some of them are at Yale. But I don’t think these Yalie crazies represent the mainstream of the Democratic party, although it remains to be seen whether they represent its future. And I don’t think it’s reasonable to treat them as if they were Biden’s personal think tank.
It’s worth noting that in San Francisco, Minneapolis, and other places, Democratic voters repudiated some of their most extreme incumbents in the most recent round of elections. This suggests something of a trend towards reigning in some of the most extreme left positions.
There doesn’t seem to be any similar trend on the Republican side. To the contrary.
Fantasy writing at its best.
Exactly.
Here is MTG at a Trump rally in Michigan:
“I am not going to mince words with you all. Democrats want Republicans dead and they have already started the killings.”
You are a complete moron divorced from reality if you think the left and Democrats do anything but embrace their crazies.
Judge Ho aligns himself ideologically with white nationalists and other reconstructed bigots.
Judge Ho defends torturers (for money).
Judge Ho strongly prefers superstition to reason and therefore sides proudly with superstitious gay-bashers against better Americans.
Judge Ho is a staunch Republican, the party of half-educated racists, homohobes, xenophobes, misogynists, and Islamophobes.
But Judge Ho — friend of deplorables, ally of bigots, defender of war criminals — has finally found a line he will not cross: Yale Law.
Carry on, clingers. So far as your betters permit, that is.
There’s nothing so “Blackman” as blatant hypocrisy covered with a fig leaf of laughably poor reasoning.
I think we need to start using a different plant. Fig leaves are very large.
The Volokh Conspiracy: Official “Legal” Blog Of People Who Prefer South Texas College Of Law Houston To Yale Law School
(UCLA’s dean has publicly apologized for Prof. Eugene Volokh’s conservative conduct at least once. Should or will Judge Ho similarly boycott UCLA?)
Along a similar line — should judges who are not right-wing bigots refrain from hiring clerks from UCLA?
I think that Prof. Kerr put it best in his earlier post about Judge Ho’s proposed boycott:
“…I think this ‘boycott’ crosses an important line. It’s the line between judges expressing their personal views in an effort to persuade (which is fine), and judges harnessing their power as government officials to create pressure on private institutions to further their personal agendas (which is not fine, in my view).”
I don’t think the question is whether someone should pick *any* other school over Yale. The USNWR rankings matter only insofar as they reflect differences in outcomes. The larger the gap between two schools, the more likely that the rankings reflect differences in outcomes. Some of this depends upon one’s goals. If one’s goals are being a professor or clerking on the Supreme Court, Yale is probably the best choice (if it is an option!). If the goal is working at a law firm, there are a bunch of other schools that would produce the same outcome. Or, there might be a particular reason (e.g., location, campus environment, aid) to pick one school over another. For example, there are people who have picked Notre Dame over higher-ranked schools in part for reasons of environment. Some people might rather live in Chicago than Cambridge, or want a smaller school, or have a full ride at U of C, and so pick U of C over Harvard. Etc.
I believe that around half of Yale Law students went to Ivy League schools for undergrad. So many of the conservative students there are probably used to what happens on campus. I am skeptical that punishing those students will fix this problem, although I understand the reasoning. After all, if Judge Ho simply refused to hire students who had signed this letter denouncing the school for allowing conservative speakers, he wouldn’t be changing his hiring practices in a way that would affect the school (I doubt any conservative student signed the letter). But as I say, if you are a conservative/libertarian who wants to be a law professor, going to Yale makes plenty of sense. Is it really fair to such a student to punish him or her for choosing Yale?
I know someone who was accepted at both Harvard and NYU. But NYU gave him a full scholarship, which Harvard did not. And he wanted to be a tax lawywer, and NYU has a nationally recognized tax law department. So he went there. Can’t say that was irrational.
That’s right, and a conservative student who goes to Yale might have made that decision for equally rational reasons. This whole discussion seems a little nuts to me, as does Judge Ho’s boycott.
” So many of the conservative students there are probably used to what happens on campus. ”
What happens on those campuses (to distinguish them from conservative-controlled campuses)?
Less bigotry (gay-bashing, racism, misogyny, xenophobia)?
More smart people?
More preference for reason over superstition?
Less suppression of science to flatter silly dogma?
Less teaching of nonsense?
Higher achievement?
The problem is that leftist propaganda from professors is tolerated. In a better time, we didn’t tolerate commie BS from anyone.
What attracts you most to conservatism, nekit2010g?
The childish superstition?
The bigotry?
The backwardness?
What time was that?
Most of this is above my pay grade but I have to ask how many clerks does Ho hire compared to how many clerks are hired nation wide? Seems to me this is making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Speaking of clerks I have to wonder just when being a law clerk first required a law degree, I can still remember when a lawyer could hire a clerk and train them to be a lawyer (and what part of this is due to rent seeking).
Another issue is what I will call the ‘passing the bar’ and ’employment in the legal field’. As a dual degree student in urban planning MS and JD I took courses in the FSU College of Law and the FSU Department of Urban and Regional Planning but even in my first year was employed by the Florida Department of Environmental Regulation. Truth be told it took me almost ten years to get my MS in planning and I never got a JD but I was employed the entire time and never in what I will call the legal field (unless you want to include being an expert witness in legal proceedings). Not to mention as an undergrad I drove a cab in Miami during the Christmas break and knew plenty or UM law school grads that were driving cabs. On the other hand one of my high school debate team members went to Harvard as an undergrad and Yale LS and wound up working in the Miami city government and never made as much money as I did fifteen or twenty years after I started grad/LS school.
Not saying an Ivy League education and a JD from Yale is something to ignore but plenty of ‘low tier’ grads do just fine.
I like this idea, Josh, of conservatives simply deciding to stop engaging. The born-again conservatives can all go to places like the South Texas College of Law Houston, where they’ll be very happy, coddled, and irrelevant. Everyone else can go to Yale and into positions of power. It’s a win win!
If the strategy is to hurt Yale, I don’t see it succeeding unless it becomes extremely broad (which I also don’t think is likely). If the strategy is to help conservative law students, it has a lot of merit.
Many years ago, when Frank Remington was dean of WI law school, there was a saying that if one was looking to impress people you would go to the Ivy colleges. If you were looking for a good lawyer, you went to Wisconsin.
Was there any truth to this? Yes, it was many (many) years ago. None of the commenters had gone to Wisconsin.
How is resolving not to hire a large group of people due to hypothetical future conduct for a specific position directly analogous to resolving to get a specific person fired (and also unable to be hired anywhere else) right now? I guess they are both examples of discretion, but beyond that? Taking any adverse action at all against someone is not “canceling” them.
How is resolving not to hire a large group of people due to hypothetical future conduct
What “hypothetical future conduct?” Ho isn’t worried about what the YLS graduates might do – not that he has any way to know – but rather is punishing them for things the school does that he doesn’t like.
He doesn’t want the product the school is producing. So what.
“What hypothetical future conduct’?”
Matriculating at YLS.
I guess you didn’t read what he said.
Boycotts are not cancel culture.
Yes, an employer saying, “I am choosing not to hire someone for a specific position” IS “totes different” than a non-employer saying, “I am going to participate in a mob to ensure someone is not only fired from their current job, but will also be unable to be hired at any other job.” Choosing not to hire someone is not canceling them.
Of course not, cancel culture isn’t real.
You mean because it’s a boycott when you do it and cancel culture when someone else does it? I’m glad to see you agree with Queenie.
Just pre-cancelling all Yale grads.
I am going to participate in a mob to ensure someone is … unable to be hired at any other job.
How is this not exactly what Ho and Blackman are trying to do?