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The Dormant Commerce Clause, Internet Platforms, and Status Discrimination Bans
[Jack Goldsmith and I will have an article out about the Dormant Commerce Clause, geolocation, and state regulations of Internet transactions in the Texas Law Review early next year, and I'm serializing it here. There is still plenty of time for editing, so we'd love to hear any recommendations you folks might have; in the meantime, you can read the entire PDF of the latest draft (though with some formatting glitches stemming from the editing process) here.]
Let's now consider how these principles might apply to state regulations of social media platforms, and in particular to statutes (whether framed as public accommodations statutes or quasi-common-carrier statutes) that ban discrimination based on various attributes of a user or of the user's speech. We'll begin with two relatively simple and narrow hypotheticals, and then turn in a later post to the more controversial and ambitious statutes aimed at forbidding certain kinds of political discrimination, such as the ones recently enacted in Florida and Texas.
Antidiscrimination Statutes: Status
Federal public accommodations law likely doesn't cover social media platforms, because it's limited to only a few kinds of establishments.[1] It also only bans discrimination based on race, religion, and national origin.[2] But many states ban public accommodation discrimination in many establishments, based on many criteria.
Of course, today's major social media platforms likely wouldn't expressly exclude members based on, say, race or sex or sexual orientation. But consider a peculiar form of antidiscrimination law: bans on discrimination in places of public accommodation based on arrest or conviction history. Ann Arbor categorically bans such discrimination based on arrest record.[3] Madison, Urbana, and Champaign do the same as to arrest record or conviction record.[4] Connecticut bans discrimination based on expunged criminal records.[5] New Jersey bans discrimination based on criminal history involving possession, distribution, or manufacturing of marijuana and hashish.[6] Illinois, Hawaii, New York, and Wisconsin also ban such discrimination in employment,[7] so it's easy to imagine one of those states extending the ban to public accommodations.
Indeed, say Wisconsin is, rightly or wrongly, persuaded to do that (especially given Madison's step in that direction). But say some social network—call it SafeBook—decides to ban people with a history of criminal offenses from portions of its site that children can visit. (Maybe sex offenses, but maybe also drug offenses; many parents might not want their children to fall in with the wrong crowd online and be exposed to bad influences.)
And say that Wisconsin courts conclude that the Wisconsin law applies to social media networks. This isn't implausible: Some courts have already held that bans on disability discrimination in places of public accommodation apply to websites.[8] The Wisconsin law also provides that the term "public place[s] of accommodation or amusement" "shall be interpreted broadly to include, but not be limited to, places of business or recreation," "and any place where . . . amusement, goods, or services are available either free or for a consideration."[9] Finally, say that courts conclude that this nondiscrimination rule doesn't violate the social media networks' First Amendment rights,[10] and isn't preempted by § 230.[11]
The Dormant Commerce Clause shouldn't invalidate this law, at least if certain assumptions about geolocation (more on them shortly) are satisfied. This is especially clear if the law only protects the right of users in Wisconsin to interact with other users in Wisconsin (let's call this Option 1). Just as a theme park in Wisconsin can't exclude visitors with a criminal record, so SafeBook can't keep a Wisconsinite from logging on and having online conversations with other Wisconsinites who have criminal records.[12]
To be sure, Wisconsin's law would have extraterritorial effects: If SafeBook is headquartered in, for instance, Kansas, presumably SafeBook will have to do many things in Kansas to comply. But of course any corporation that deals with customers all over the country through bricks-and-mortar stores would have to comply with the laws of those places where it operates. Likewise, any corporation that mails material to customers, or deals with them through phone calls, would have to comply with the laws of those places (for instance, in deciding what it must do to legally record phone calls with customers[13]).
This analysis assumes what is increasingly commonplace: that SafeBook has access to geographical identification tools at a reasonable cost that can determine whether a user and the users with whom he is corresponding are in Wisconsin. So long as Wisconsin only requires SafeBook to use reasonable best efforts with geolocation tools—rather than, say, imposing strict liability for any criminal history discrimination against users who happen to be in Wisconsin, even if they appear to be coming from Iowa—then SafeBook can still maintain its criminal-offender-free experience for users in other states. It could just hide any Wisconsin criminal-offender users so users in other states can't correspond with them, but show them to their fellow Wisconsinites.[14]
This sort of geography-based variation in experience is similar to what the Ninth Circuit ruled that CNN could provide to accommodate disabled users in California. Safebook would have to go beyond CNN in at least one respect: It would have to take note of the place from which the item was posted, and not just, as in CNN's case, the place from which the item was accessed. But that move might be technically easy, to the extent that Safebook can geolocate the poster when the post is put up,[15] and then store that location information together with the other fields in the post, such as the post date, time, author, and text.[16] Armed with that information, the SafeBook software can make sure that Wisconsinites will see posts from other Wisconsinites, even if it wants to continue to block posts by criminal offenders from or to other states.
To be sure, the challenge for SafeBook could become more complicated as more states impose such regulations. Some jurisdictions ban arrest and conviction record discrimination and some don't. Some might ban such discrimination more or less broadly (again, recall New Jersey law, which currently bans only discrimination based on a history of having possessed, sold, or manufactured marijuana or hashish). Some ban sexual orientation discrimination and gender identity discrimination and some don't. Some ban marital status discrimination and some don't. Most ban religious discrimination but a few don't. A few ban discrimination based on veteran status or military status but most don't.[17] SafeBook might need to survey the state laws and have different rules for different states, especially if it wants to institute other forms of discrimination, but even if it limits itself to discrimination based on criminal history.
But welcome to the American federal system, where companies that do business with people who are in multiple states must comply with the laws of those multiple states. Mail-order retailers, for instance, have to comply with the often byzantine tax rules of many states, even though "[s]tate taxes differ, not only in the rate imposed but also in the categories of goods that are taxed and, sometimes, the relevant date of purchase."[18] But that by itself doesn't immunize the retailers from complying with state laws via readily available geolocation and other software tools.
Likewise for large social media platforms, at least to the extent that they can use geo-identification tools to achieve a reasonable level of compliance with multiple state laws as described above. These are firms, after all, whose businesses are all about writing software to cope with business opportunities and challenges, including software that for business-enhancement reasons treats users differently based on geography.
As we noted before, such compliance can be burdensome, and perhaps unduly burdensome, for small companies, whether small retailers or small platforms. The Dormant Commerce Clause balancing test (the Pike v. Bruce Church, Inc. test), under which a regulation may be struck down if "the burden imposed on such commerce is clearly excessive in relation to the putative local benefits,"[19] might limit such state laws in some measures, as applied to small retailers.[20] In the tax context, Wayfair recognized that the "burdens [of having to collect state sales tax] may pose legitimate concerns in some instances, particularly for small businesses that make a small volume of sales to customers in many States," and that it may be significant that a state "affords small merchants a reasonable degree of protection," for instance if they do very little business in the state.[21]
Yet even when discussing small businesses facing multijurisdictional legal burdens, the Court noted that, "[e]ventually, software that is available at a reasonable cost may make it easier for small businesses to cope with these problems."[22] The Court appeared to be referring to multistate tax compliance software that is a cousin of the geolocation software we have highlighted.[23] And any concern about undue burdens on interstate commerce should be further significantly reduced for large businesses, with users and advertisers all over the country, that deploy geo-identification software to serve business interests.
Now of course a harder question would arise if Wisconsin law insisted that SafeBook, as a condition of doing any business in Wisconsin, let any user from Wisconsin sign on (regardless of criminal history) and have conversations with all users on the platform (including, by implication, those from other states such as, say, Iowa). Let's call this Option 2; it would go beyond regulating the experience of Wisconsin users of SafeBook and influence the experience of users in Iowa, who would end up interacting with some people with criminal histories (not fellow Iowans, who still wouldn't be protected by Option 2, but Wisconsinites), simply because Wisconsin law so mandates.
Option 2 is harder because one can conceptualize the Wisconsin regulation as doing more than raising SafeBook's costs of doing business in Iowa; the Wisconsin law can also be viewed as requiring Safebook to provide a certain form of online experience in Iowa that SafeBook wouldn't otherwise provide. Option 2 for this reason moves in the direction of the Supreme Court's price affirmation cases, which struck down state price affirmation laws basically because they mandated certain behavior in other states.[24]
But, as noted above, the continuing validity of these cases is in question; and the argument that Option 2 is consistent with the Dormant Commerce Clause is powerful. Wisconsin has an interest in making sure that Wisconsinites are treated equally by places of public accommodation without regard to arrest or conviction records. That suggests that someone using Safebook in Madison should be entitled to have the same online experience—including the same conversations with out-of-staters—regardless of whether he has, say, a marijuana conviction on his record. Wisconsin would be regulating the experience that SafeBook is providing for people who are visiting SafeBook from Wisconsin, even though in the process it would incidentally also affect the experience of SafeBook visitors from outside Wisconsin.
An analogy might be a physical delivery service in Wisconsin that refused to accept packages—including for interstate shipment—from people who had sex crime convictions (perhaps because the owner just didn't want to do business with people who had committed such heinous acts).[25] The Wisconsin Legislature might well conclude that this is improper discrimination against Wisconsin residents and enact an Option-2-like public accommodation statute to forbid such discrimination, even though such a statute would also affect the delivery service's actions in delivering packages from Wisconsin to other states.
Let us then add one more twist: Say that, while Wisconsin bans discrimination based on criminal history, North Carolina requires social media platforms to exclude people with certain kinds of criminal history from portions of social media platforms that are targeted to children.[26] This would indeed put SafeBook in a difficult position: If it keeps a Wisconsin user with a particular history from interacting with North Carolina users who are accessing a particular portion of the platform, then it would be violating Wisconsin law (at least in Option 2). If it allows the Wisconsin user to interact with the North Carolina users, then it would be violating North Carolina law.
This sort of actual inconsistency might justify keeping one or the other law from applying in those situations under Pike balancing. We doubt, though, that the mere hypothetical possibility of such inconsistency should categorically foreclose antidiscrimination laws from applying to social media platforms.
[1]. 42 U.S.C. § 2000a; Lewis v. Google LLC, No. 20-16073, 2021 WL 1423118 (9th Cir. Apr. 15, 2021).
[2]. 42 U.S.C § 2000a.
[3]. Ann Arbor (Mich.) Code of Ordinances § 9:151.
[4]. Madison (Wisc.) Code of Ordinances § 39.03(5); Urbana (Ill.) Code of Ordinances § 12-39, -63; Champaign (Ill.) Code of Ordinances § 17-3, -56.
[5]. 2021 Conn. Legis. Serv. P.A. 21-32, sec. 23 (S.B. 1019) (starting Jan. 1, 2023).
[6]. N.J. Stat. Ann. § 10:5-50.
[7]. Ill. Comp. Stat. Ann. §§ 5/2-103 to -103.1; Haw. Rev. Stat. Ann. § 378-2; N.Y. Exec. L. §§ 296.15–.16; Wisc. Stats. Ann. § 111.335.
[8]. See Winegard v. Crain Commc'ns, Inc., No. 20-CV-01509 (AJN), 2021 WL 1198960 (S.D.N.Y. Mar. 30, 2021); Sullivan v. BDG Media, Inc., 71 Misc. 3d 863 (N.Y. Sup. Ct. 2021); Nat'l Fed'n of the Blind v. Scribd Inc., 97 F. Supp. 3d 565 (D. Vt. 2015); Nat'l Ass'n of the Deaf v. Netflix, Inc., 869 F. Supp. 2d 196 (D. Mass. 2012); see also Sullivan v. Study.com LLC, No. 18-CV-1939 (JPO), 2019 WL 1299966 (S.D.N.Y. Mar. 21, 2019) (likewise, but noting that the defendant did not contest being treated as a public accommodation). For more on whether web sites that are ancillary to the sale of other goods and services are places of public accommodations for purposes of federal disability discrimination law, see Gil v. Winn-Dixie Stores, Inc., 993 F.3d 1266, 1277 (11th Cir. 2021) (saying no); Robles v. Domino's Pizza, LLC, 913 F.3d 898, 905–06 (9th Cir. 2019) (saying yes); Blake E. Reid, Internet Architecture and Disability, 95 Ind. L.J. 591, 597–99 (2020) (summarizing the dispute); Johanna Smith & John Inazu, Virtual Access: A New Framework for Disability and Human Flourishing in an Online World, 2021 Wisc. L. Rev. 719, 759–65 (2021).
[9]. Wisc. Stat. § 106.52(1)(e)1. Though the law excludes private clubs, that exclusion is limited to "bona fide private, nonprofit organization[s]" that aren't open to the public generally. Wisc. Stat. § 106.52(1)(e)2.
[10]. See Eugene Volokh, Treating Social Media Platforms Like Common Carriers?, 1 J. Free Speech L. 377 (2021).
[11]. See Adam Candeub & Eugene Volokh, Interpreting 47 U.S.C. § 230(c)(2), 1 J. Free Speech L. 175 (2021). Note also that § 230(c)(2) preempts liability for "any action voluntarily taken in good faith to restrict access to or availability of material that the provider or user considers to be obscene, lewd, lascivious, filthy, excessively violent, harassing, or otherwise objectionable, whether or not such material is constitutionally protected"—it doesn't discuss action to block access based on a person's identity, rather than based on the content of material.
[12]. We use "Wisconsinite" here as shorthand for people who are in Wisconsin, or more precisely people who appear to be in Wisconsin based on geolocation tools. We're not focusing here on place of residence or citizenship, which would be impractical to determine—just as, for instance, the Ninth Circuit in the CNN case was focusing on the user's location and not the user's residence or citizenship.
[13]. Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney, Inc., 137 P.3d 914 (Cal. 2006)
[14]. To be sure, that means that SafeBook couldn't just delete posts by people with criminal histories, but would have to keep them on file and show them to Wisconsinites while concealing them from others. But that would be a very easy algorithm to write; and any extra disk space that would be required to keep the material that would otherwise be deleted would be quite inexpensive given today's technology.
[15]. Alternatively, if state law dictates that the authors' location be determined based on where the authors are located when they subscribe to the service—rather than based on where they are when they post each item—then Safebook could just store the location in the author's user record, rather than once for each post.
[16]. If it's technically too difficult, then a court could presumably conclude that the Wisconsin requirement is unconstitutional under the Pike balancing test, see infra text accompanying note 146; but there's no reason to assume a priori that this would be too difficult.
[17]. See generally Nat'l Conf. of State Legs., State Public Accommodation Laws, https://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/state-public-accommodation-laws.aspx [https://perma.cc/8L6G-5MCS].
[18]. South Dakota v. Wayfair, Inc., 138 S. Ct. 2080, 2098 (2018).
[19]. 397 U.S. 137, 142 (1970); see Greater L.A. Agency on Deafness, 742 F.3d at 433 (applying the Pike test); Goldsmith & Sykes, supra note 11, at 806 (discussing a possible Pike-based analysis in extraterritoriality cases).
[20]. See Kearney v. Salomon Smith Barney, Inc., 45 Cal. Rptr. 730, 739 (Cal. 2006) ("On its face, application of the California law here at issue would affect only a business's undisclosed recording of telephone conversations with clients or consumers in California and would not compel any action or conduct of the business with regard to conversations with non-California clients or consumers. Although SSB may attempt to demonstrate, at a later stage in the litigation, that application of the California statute would pose an undue and excessive burden on interstate commerce by establishing that it would be impossible or infeasible for SSB to comply with the California statute without altering its conduct with regard to its non-California clients and that the burden that would be imposed upon it 'is clearly excessive in relation to the putative local benefits' (Pike v. Bruce Church, Inc.), SSB clearly cannot prevail on such a theory at the demurrer stage of the proceeding.") (citation trimmed).
[21]. 138 S. Ct. at 2098.
[22]. Id.
[23]. See Brief of South Dakota, https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/17/17-494/36735/20180226222258706_17-494%20ts.pdf [https://perma.cc/QKJ6-Y74V], at 14-15; Oral Argument Transcript, https://www.oyez.org/cases/2017/17-494 [https://perma.cc/B3M8-ZLFK].
[24] See, e.g., Healy v. Beer Institute, Inc., 491 U.S. 324, 336–38 (1989).
[25]. Assume the delivery service isn't governed by federal common carrier laws, which would presumably independently ban the service from imposing such conditions.
[26]. Assume also that the North Carolina law is upheld against a First Amendment challenge because it's narrower than the overbroad ban struck down in Packingham v. North Carolina, 137 S. Ct. 1730 (2017). See id. at 1743 (Alito, J., concurring in the judgment) (suggesting that narrower restrictions on "an adult previously convicted of molesting children from visiting a dating site for teenagers" or "a site where minors communicate with each other about personal problems" might be constitutional).
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"But consider a peculiar form of antidiscrimination law:"
Are you sure you don't mean "particular", rather than "peculiar"?
I meant "peculiar" in the sense that it's currently unusual, and one that few people think about when they hear "antidiscrimination law."
Ah. It hadn't struck me as all that unusual at the state level. You do, after all, list a fair number of examples.
This is all very complicated, and the more complicated it is the higher the barrier to entry for starting a social media site, or just allowing comments on your blog. The big players (facebook, Google, et. al. ) must love this stuff.
I like to look at the internet as a highway system.
Interstate truckers have to know/adhere to the different state laws they pass through - even a mom-pop trucking company including:
DUI laws in Arizona
Chain laws in Colorado
Cargo Securement: Washington, North Carolina
Vehicle Emissions: California, etc.
https://www.trucks.com/2022/02/07/trucking-industry-regulations-states/
Bottom line is if you want to play on the big interstate / federal / international scene, then you play by the interstate / federal / international rules.
The obvious difference is that unlike trucks on the roads, anything you put on the internet is immediately accessible to the entire country (and most of the world too, but we'll leave that for now)
A mom-and-pop trucking company that does not travel out of state can ignore other states' regulations. A mom-and-pop website can't, at least under the scenarios given in the post.
A mom-pop place can state they don't sell to XXX states (if they don't know the laws/rules).
Or if maybe they do know the laws of each state and wish to not comply with a state's laws, then they can state that too.
Or geo-block: https://geotargetly.com/geo-block
Again, you want to play on the big street, you got to play by the big street rules.
A small-ish quibble: anything I put on the internet is visible by only those people on the internet that meet any associated access limits that I or the service provide.
The scenarios under options 1 & 2 do allow mom-and-pop internet shops to likely avoid users from a specific state. The simplest form would be a confirmation on the main page or where payment is entered that the site does not do business in specific states. There are already sites that do this based on various alcohol shipping laws, for example. Further, GPS location software is a lot more common and affordable these days based on IP address registration. And, just as companies can decide which states they do business in, so can internet companies. There is no obligation for them to be available in all 50 states and territories even if they can be reached from those places. There are plenty of state-focused organizations that offer services on the internet that are only focused on their local area. If my new social media site FibSocial wanted to ban felons, it would be simple enough to limit membership to those areas where banning felons was legal. If FibSocial wanted to do business with Wisconsin in the provided example, while still banning felons, that would be an issue.
I remain puzzled about where this theme can be headed. What possible mechanism dealing with state regulations can have any influence, one way or another, on a publisher's 1A freedom to use content-based discrimination in making publishing decisions? Is it really EV's intention to confine the topic to subjects like public accommodations laws?
"Free decision making", when they censor harrassment according to the demands of politicians who openly threatened them with hundreds of billions in stock losses if they don't, hey, look, our political opponents are making harrassing tweets right before this election. Don't forget about them, wink!
Is this a 1A question at all, though? This isn't about a person or organizations ability to publish their opinions and other material; this is about commerce and public accommodation laws. FibSocial isn't a publisher and doesn't make publishing decisions. They are a "platform as a service" provider that makes their platform available to individual publishers that meet their terms of service. To that end, FibSocial monitors content to ensure it meets terms of service but beyond those terms there is no content-based discrimination.
Yeah, I get that Shawn_dude. But I doubt that is really the subject EV is aiming at. I predict what you have seen so far will turn out to be only the (admittedly massive) gravel pile EV has used to build a slippery slope to get to what really interests him. Which I suspect will turn out to be speech-content-based regulation of internet platforms. Maybe I am mistaken. If not, you can call me clairvoyant.
Shawn_dude — When you assert FibSocial is not a publisher, am I to understand you are telling me that is because it is an internet, "platform," and those are categorically not publishers? Or are you distinguishing FibSocial from, for instance, Facebook, or Twitter, which you acknowledge are publishers?
Don't some dating web sites already require users to click a box saying member has never been convicted of anything management thinks women don't want in a partner?
Not familiar with dating web sites, but airbnb might be looking at a class action suit for banning people whose background check shows criminal activity. Apparently, simply being arrested (not even indicted let alone convicted) is enough.
https://www.classaction.org/airbnb-account-disabled-lawsuits
Since they actually provide physical accommodations, it would seem that the anti-discrimination laws in some jurisdictions would be operative.
I disagree with the entire premise that because (per the example) Wisconsin users are involved, Wisconsin has jurisdiction over the website.
States should only have activity over persons (including businesses) and things *inside the state*. If the server is in Iowa, and the business operates solely in Iowa, then only Iowa law should apply. An out-of-Iowa visitor to the site is 'traveling to Iowa', effectively, and should expect Iowa law to apply.
Any other interpretation of what's going on is madness.
woh, that went weird. 'activity' should be jurisdiction, i don't know what happened there.
Agreed, and for that reason I believe Wafer was wrong. Of course, the purchaser actually does owe the tax, it's just not the merchant's duty to collect it (unless, I suppose, the merchant's state of residence makes it the merchant's duty).
My interpretation is that the point of sale is where the business is, so the purchaser owes tax in the merchant's state. (Just like if you drove across the state border and bought something at a store - you pay tax in the state you made the purchase).
Who can forget the good old days when Tennessee extradited Rusty & Eddie, owners of the BBS of the same name, for letting people from Tennessee download porn!
Jailed for porn. Jailed for gay sex. Ah those were the good old days!
How does this square with catalog companies, like ancient Sears, who operated from limited locations but took phone orders from anywhere the US Postal service could deliver? Those phones, and the IP addresses of today, are located within the state the call or email or web form is submitted from.
Except Sears didn't operate from limited locations. Sure, the catalog fulfillment warehouses were in limited locations, but Sears was everywhere.
Shipping physical product maybe should require you to abide by shipping (and only shipping) laws in the recipient state, but I'm unclear, since states aren't allowed to interfere with USPS, iirc? (Also, wouldn't you have to then adhere to every state's shipping laws it traveled through, by the same logic?) Honestly, dropping it off with USPS or Fedex is the end of your involvement with it, which presumably still happens within your state.
But for the purposes of the example, we can assume a purely online business that delivers digital content.
I don't care where the accessing computer is. The business isn't operating there. The computer is connecting to where the business is operating - it's the user who is crossing state lines.
The simple solution is that individual states should be able to regulate conduct or actions that occur within said state. In the case of options 2 and 3, WI can specify non-discrimination for both sender and receiver if they inside WI (baring superseding federal law). However, if the receiver is outside WI, than the local law (or superseding federal law) controls what the receiver sees. In the absence of a law speaking on the subject, the website would be able to determine what user experience they want without interference. Thus, in case 1 WI law controls and the sender and receiver can communicate. In case 2, the sender may have an account and post to it, but receivers in IA will not see it due to the websites preferences. In case 3, the receiver is also blocked from seeing the sender's posts due to local NC law.
While the Dormant Commerce Clause may not demand this outcome, it does not preclude it. This solution is also maximally compatible with federalism. The monkey wrench in this situation comes from past court decisions being too deferential to state laws with applications beyond their respective boarders simply because they did not see a problem at the time.
We The People are asking prostrate, timid, hiding Congress to make a statement on this either way so as to avoid uncertainty?
Well I'll be a monkey pox victim's uncle.
Let’s look more closely at the package to be shipped from Wisconsin to Iowa.
The Wisconsin shipper has an obligation to accept and ship the package. But does the Iowa delivery courier have an obligation to deliver a package received in Iowa from an address in Wisconsin to an address in Iowa?
Why couldn’t the shipper that wants to minimize its compliance with Wisconsin laws it doesn’t like simply structure things so that the shipping office in Wisconsin is owned by a Wisconsin corporation and the Iowa by an Owa corporation, both owned by a holding company?
The package would then be accepted in and shipped from Wisconsin, but then rejected and returned to sender in Iowa, by legally separate decision makers each bound by local law..
The basic premise of this ppst - that there is a single legal entity engaging in a single transaction that is occurring simultaneously in multiple states - seems to me to suffer from a lack pf creative lawyer. Simply structure the thing as multiple transactions among multiple subsidiary legal entities, and a way for the essential transaction to be performed in the state whose law the holding company likes best can be found.
In the physical shipping example, the carrier has to ship the goods to Iowa and back in order to go through the necessary motions. The carrier keeps the shipping fee, but a seller would be out.
But in the Internet world, you can through and document “Hollywood Code” pseudo-compliance motions analogous to shipping goods to Iowa and back at essentially no cost.