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"It's Illegal for People Under 21 to Buy Canisters of Whipped Cream in NY"
UPDATE (see end of post): Perhaps this is just an example of the "chilling effect," where a law deters even behavior that it may not actually cover (perhaps in part because of how the law's own backers had initially described it).
So NBC New York reports, discussing how stores are beginning to comply with this law, enacted last Fall:
1. "[W]hipped cream charger" shall mean a steel cylinder or cartridge filled with nitrous oxide (N2O) that is used as a whipping agent in a whipped cream dispenser.
2. No … business … shall sell or offer for sale a whipped cream charger to any person under the age of twenty-one.
3. Any … business within the state selling, offering for sale, or distributing whipped cream chargers shall require proof of legal age prior to allowing an individual to purchase or receive a shipment of whipped cream chargers. Such identification need not be required of any individual who reasonably appears to be at least twenty-five years of age, provided, however, that such appearance shall not constitute a defense in any proceeding alleging the sale or distribution of whipped cream chargers to an individual under twenty-one years of age.
4. Any … business … that violates the provisions of this section shall be subject to a civil penalty of not more than two hundred fifty dollars for an initial offense and not more than five hundred dollars for the second and each subsequent offense.
The rationale, from the Senate sponsor, Joseph P. Addabbo:
This new law is an important step in combatting a significant problem for many neighborhoods throughout my district. The need to limit the access and sale of whippits first became apparent after receiving constituent complaints about empty canisters on neighborhood streets. Used whippits piling up in our communities are not only an eye sore, but also indicative of a significant nitrous oxide abuse problem. This law will help to protect our youth from the dangers of this lethal chemical, while helping to clean up our neighborhoods….
Whipped cream chargers are filled with nitrous oxide which is often referred to as "laughing gas" and popularly used as an over-the-counter inhalant because of its euphoric effects. Dental professionals use the chemical during oral surgery to relieve pain but it is highly addictive and has detrimental effects if used improperly.
Studies have shown that younger people are most at risk when it comes to inhalants because they are inexpensive, easy to obtain, and may provide one of the easiest ways to get high. The gas-filled canisters are to be legally sold for cooking, baking and other proper home uses.
And from the Assembly sponsor, Stacey Pheffer Amato:
Our bill will greatly improve the quality of life throughout our state by removing the unused whipped cream canisters from our streets, and prevent their dangerous misuse—especially among our youth.
UPDATE (8/29/2022, 9:52 pm Pacific): The NBC New York story, from which the headline is borrowed, pointed to stores that interpreted the statute as barring sale of whipped cream to under-21-year-olds; and Sen. Addabbo's Oct. 29 press release quotes (as I noted above) his cosponsor saying the bill does apply to "whipped cream canisters." But Sen. Addabbo Tweeted today that his "bill is not intended to prevent people under the age of 21 from buying whipped cream dispensers, but the small, individual charger or cartridge inside the whipped cream canisters that is the target of this law." (Thanks to reader Jordan Brown for the pointer.)
Clarification for the misinterpretation of the state law regarding the sale of whipped cream canisters, which should be allowed. pic.twitter.com/XpCwrIQyF9
— SenatorJoeAddabbo (@SenJoeAddabbo) August 29, 2022
Perhaps this was the intent, and perhaps that's the best reading of the law—though one could certainly imagine a creative prosecutor arguing that selling a whipped cream canister containing a whipped cream charger constitutes selling the whipped cream charger. ("In theory, a youngster could buy a can of Reddi-wip, break it open and remove the cartridge of nitrous oxide," Addabbo reportedly said, though he also said "that's not his target.")
The stores' reactions described in the NBC story might thus reflect the famous "chilling effect," where a law leads cautious people to avoid even conduct that they worry might violate the law, even if it turns out that the conduct doesn't violate the law. At the same time, such a chilling effect is pretty foreseeable, especially when your own press release quotes your cosponsor saying that the law would remove "whipped cream canisters from our streets."
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Meanwhile,
"It’s Open Season on Jews in New York City"
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/open-season-jews-new-york-city-hate-crimes
Good thing that the City government is prioritizing dealing with the City's problems .
Contra your headline, although noted in the quote, whipped cream chargers do not contain whipped cream. They dispense nitrous oxide, laughing gas. This is more a war on drugs thing than a NY woke thing.
Well, the NBC story reports that the stores are viewing whipped cream canisters as covered by whipped cream chargers; and the cosponsor (in a statement posted on a page distributed by the other cosponsor) seems to take the same view:
Seems like that is a misinterpretation of the law.
a "[W]hipped cream charger" shall mean a steel cylinder or cartridge filled with nitrous oxide (N2O) that is used as a whipping agent in a whipped cream dispenser.
is clearly not a can of Cool Whip.
But if it has a whipped cream charger inside it, what's the difference?
Are you saying the police should look the other way if someone hides heroin inside a can of Cool Whip?
A can of Cool Whip (not the tub) is a steel cylinder filled with N2O. That N2O is a whipping agent. The cans that shoot out cream whip the cream as it is dispensed. The plastic tubs have pre-whipped cream in them. So, I think the definition fits the cans and cartridges used in whipping siphons.
The cartridges for my whipping siphon look and feel like they are made of aluminum instead of steel. A quick web search reveals that many cartridges are made of aluminum.
You are confusing Reddi Whip, which is real whipped cream, with Cool Whip, which is non-dairy whipped topping. Cool Whip tastes better, but Reddi Whip comes in those containers that make the pretty designs.
Say it after me. "Cool Wwhhhhip".
Cool HHwip.
Yeah, tell that to a prosecutor who has you in his sights.
In my misspent youth, I may have experimented with N2O from Redi-Whip canisters.
It is definitely an uneconomic way to get high, but I guess the bright side is it is inherently self-limiting. Charging canisters are far cheaper. In our defense, this was the 80s in a small southern town, you had to drive to the city for such luxuries.
NY Senate, NBC, Reason and commenters doing their part to confuse with non-information, mis-information and dis-information.
Whipped cream is heavy cream (usually with sugar and vanilla added for taste) which has been whisked by hand or with an electric mixer until it becomes a semi solid. Cool Whip is to whipped cream as is margarine to butter or Tang to OJ. Of course if you like it have at it.
Because it was time consuming to make in the traditional way a shortcut was sought for restaurants and ice cream parlors. In 1935, Charles Getz applied for a patent for using nitrous oxide as a whipping agent in a device to dispense whipped cream. The patent was granted in 1942.
"Whippets" was a trade name for the "bulbs" (similar to CO2 bulbs used to charge soda syphons and pellet guns) filled with nitrous oxide used to charge the devices designed to dispense the cream. When the bulb is pierced the gas dissolves in the liquid cream. When the dispensing valve is depressed the pressure change results in the gas expanding and "whipping" the cream. (Note: do not use CO2 to make whipped cream, it is horrible.)
First sold by Food devices, Inc. later sold to Walter Kidde &Co.,
Inc., Whippets and the dispensers are still widely available.
Reddi Whip was developed in 1945 as a convenient way for home and commercial users to dispense whipped cream without the need for a separate dispenser and chargers. There is no charger in the can, but rather the gas is dissolved in the cream (much like CO2 to create soda) during manufacture. You can't get "high" huffing Reddi Whip.
While Whippets are an actual product they word became slang for any container holding nitrous oxide, which has been used as a recreational "drug" since it was discovered.
You can too get ''high" from huffing the gas from a can of Reddi Whip. It's not an efficient N2O delivery system, and it may take more than one can for a few seconds of buzz, but it'se definitely doable.
Are you speaking from experience? Much better and cheaper ways to get a high. Better to just enjoy the whipped cream.
So when your driving and see a road sign saying "No Snowmobiles on Road," you conclude that the sign is making a statement of fact, stating that there are currently no snow mobiles on the road. I mean, you read the quoted passage from the cosponsor and concluded that he was referring to cans of Reddi-Wip strewn across the streets. Cause that is such a common thing to see...
The law says nothing about "whipped cream canisters." The term "canister" is never mentioned in the law. Rather, the law prohibits selling "whipped cream chargers" to anyone under 21. Your headline just repeats the inaccurate headline used by the Fox news outlet you reference.
NBC is not a Fox news outlet.
Yeah, I noticed that, too.
It’s specifically intended to keep people younger than 21 from doing whippets. It’s drug war ties are not hidden.
Feels like a misleading headline. Whipped cream chargers != whipped cream.
Well, disposable cans of spray whipped cream like Reddi Whip which also use nitrous oxide as the propellant and given the penalties in the law, if I were a store owner in NY, I would not trust NY authorities not to deem them also covered by this law.
"[R]emoving the unused whipped cream canisters from our streets..."
If they're unused that must not be too bad of a problem.
Well I am deeply disturbed that it kind of implies they may also stock and leave USED whipped cream canisters on the shelves.
Lets see now:
18 to 21 year olds cannot be trusted with whipped cream but can be trusted to vote.
As long as they can be persuaded ($$$) to vote "The Right Way".
Our odd attitude towards ages is sadly nothing new. I was once at a wedding where the traditional champagne toast officially didn't happen because the bride and groom were both not old enough to drink alcohol and the venue drew a hard line on the liability of contributing to the delinquency of underage drinkers. Unofficially there's a chance alcohol found its way to them that day, but the venue somehow didn't "notice."
I recently read Salvatore Giunta's bio (he was the first living recipient of the Medal of Honor since Vietnam). He took his honeymoon in Mexico, after his medal winning service, so he could buy a beer on his honeymoon.
Old enough to win the Medal, old enough to drink beer, IMHO.
No one should have to "serve their country" and there should be no drinking age. These artificial constraints put weird ideas into young people's head that spoke how just because the are 21 they can handle booze. France has far fewer s drinking problems, probably in part because many Frenchmen started drinking wine with dinner before they where ten years old.
18 to 21 year olds are children for the purposes of buying whipped cream, booze, guns, or getting credit cards, but are adults for the purposes of voting, getting abortions, and getting gay marriages.
Whippets are not a new thing. They were big at parties 35 years ago when I was in college, a buck a balloon. Then again so was Anhydrous Ether in certain circles, particularly those who thought Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas was a how to guide.
Dammit. Now I've got Devo's "Whip It" stuck in my head.
If your parents had one of those devices that you filled with water and screwed in a CO2 cartridge to make seltzer, you could leave out the water and really get great tunnel vision going. Good times! "Crack that whip!"
inhale the helium in helium balloons to make that donald duck voice
You can get gender reassignment surgery with out ID or proof of age.
You can get an abortion without ID or proof of age.
You can vote without ID or proof of age.
You can go to a safe zone and get free clean needles and buy what ever you want to sniff, snort, smoke, inject or rub in a circular motion, close bye without ID or proof of age
You can get NO2 on Amazon with out ID or proof of age.
You can get sucker punched on any street without an ID or proof of age.
But God damn it huffing NO2 from a local store has got to be f*cking stopped.
Conspiracy: Here’s a law about banning whipped cream to people under 21!
Conspirators: An opportunity to talk about genitals! Aw, who’m I kidding? It’s always an opportunity to talk about genitals!
the substance in question is N20, also known as Nitrous Oxide, or "Laughing Gas"
NO2 is a totally different chemical, it's like the difference between drinking H2O and H2O2
Frank "took HS chemistry"
This a signal to buy stock in the popper industry: the switch from whippits is on! https://nyulocal.com/a-poppers-primer-everything-you-must-know-about-nycs-favorite-inhalant-b909a9b39010
[Poppers are more of an issue, but are used primarily by a protected group, so one must tread lightly. https://www.fda.gov/food/alerts-advisories-safety-information/fda-advises-consumers-not-purchase-or-use-nitrite-poppers ]
While there are cans of Cool Whip it usually comes in a tub. Cans are usually Reddi-Wip or generic stuff. Know your whipped toppings!
Not that I'm saying that politicians don't always dot i's and/or cross t's but I would be interested in knowing if New York or any of its surrounding neighbor states actually have laws/restrictions on N2O gas purchases. You know, the big gas cylinders? Sam Kinison had a bit where he describes getting one for a party from a dental supply place, and I believe the party was in NYC (in the late 80's).
Of course if you're more the Breaking Bad type its not like its difficult to just kinda make some yourself.
Pyrolusite+bismite (as catalyst) in a container with ammonia will give you N20 and water.
Not that I'm telling anyone to do that. Its just that chemistry is so fun! (smiley face)
In the 70s, teens used to just go into the grocery stores, walk over to the whuppets, open an huff them on the spot, and leave.
It was so prevalent that the stores stopped selling whippets.
(Fairfax, Virginia memories)
You know how lawyers are. They will go after those who sell spray cans of whipped cream from the supermarket, not just those little metal bulbs of pressurized gas bought separately. Then facetiously stand in front of the cameras and say, "Look at the law! Ha ha!"
I came here to post this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_QLzthSkfM
For all of you lawyers out there a legal decision regarding "whippets".
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/77/647/2091778/
I have a device filled with CO2 that can be used to charge whipped cream. How is an enforcement agent supposed to know if the charger I have is covered by the law, or not?
If you use CO2 it will be the worst whipped cream you ever tasted.
They’re at least as likely to do the whippets in the aisles and leave the depleted can on a shelf as they are to buy a canister.
What exactly is the logic, or rationale, that would support this law being applied to to the sale of a whip cream canister, such as a can of Reddi Wip?
Blue state logic.
The headline is wrong. A responsible publication would acknowledge the error, correct the headline, and note the correction.
I expect none of that at the Volokh Conspiracy. The confected angle is too convenient from the partisan perspective.
Carry on, clingers.
Ah C'mon "Reverend" we all know your (your victims more exactly) "Drug of Choice" is
Flunitrazepam, also known as Rohypnol among other names,[1] is a benzodiazepine used to treat severe insomnia and assist with anesthesia.[2] As with other hypnotics, flunitrazepam has been advised to be prescribed only for short-term use or by those with chronic insomnia on an occasional basis.[2]
It was patented in 1962 and came into medical use in 1974.[3] Flunitrazepam, nicknamed "roofies" or "floonies", is widely known for its use as a date rape drug.
Frank