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Georgia Supreme Court on Sincerity and Religious Exemptions
An unusually detailed discussion of what factors court should consider in deciding whether a religious exemption request is sincere (generally a threshold requirement for the request to stand any chance of prevailing).
From In the Interest of C.C., decided yesterday by the Georgia Supreme Court, in a unanimous opinion written by Presiding Justice Nels Peterson:
The Division of Family and Children Services (DFCS) is the temporary custodian of Appellants John and Brittani Chandler's three children. {The Lumpkin County Juvenile Court temporarily removed the Chandlers' children into DFCS's custody on January 6, 2021. The Chandlers consented to an adjudication that the children were dependent within the meaning of OCGA § 15-11-2 (22), and that it was contrary to the welfare of the children to be returned to a home of a parent at that time.}
The Chandlers argued that, even though DFCS had temporary custody, they were entitled to "object on religious grounds to DFCS's immunization of their children," under Georgia law and the U.S. Constitution; but the juvenile court rejected that claim, partly based on a finding that the Chandlers' religious objections were insincere:
[T]he Court finds that [the Chandlers'] argument that vaccination of the dependent children by the Department violates their free exercise of religion is specious at best. The Court finds that [the Chandlers] have not established by a preponderance of the evidence that they have a religious objection or even observe a particular religion. Contrary to, the evidence shows that they previously attended church but are no longer active, are against vaccination by personal philosophical choice based at least in part on an alleged perception after the oldest was vaccinated and that [John] is a self-proclaimed conspiracy theorist.
Wrong approach, the Georgia Supreme Court held:
Even if the Chandlers do not "observe a particular religion" or attend church consistently, and even if their objection to vaccination is partly secular, they may still be able to identify a religious belief that they sincerely hold and that would be violated by the vaccination of their children. See Frazee v. Illinois Dep't of Emp. Sec. (1989) ("[W]e reject the notion that to claim the protection of the Free Exercise Clause, one must be responding to the commands of a particular religious organization."); Wiggins v. Sargent (8th Cir. 1985) (noting, in First Amendment case, that "a belief can be both secular and religious"). The juvenile court's sincerity finding apparently rested at least in part on an assumption to the contrary; this prevents us from affirming this ruling…. We therefore remand this case for the juvenile court to apply the proper standard in deciding whether the Chandlers have raised a sincere religious objection.
In fairness to the juvenile court, the proper standard is not easily reducible to a simple formula; accordingly, we offer the following guidance drawn from federal precedent regarding how to evaluate religious sincerity. Ultimately, the juvenile court must determine whether the Chandlers' religious objection to the vaccination of their children is "truly held." The juvenile court's inquiry "must be handled with a light touch, or 'judicial shyness.'" Moussazadeh v. Tex. Dept. of Crim. Justice (5th Cir. 2012) (applying federal statute). The court should "sh[y] away from attempting to gauge how central a sincerely held belief is to the believer's religion." Watts v. Fla. Int'l Univ. (11th Cir. 2007) (First Amendment case). And it must bear in mind that "a belief can be both secular and religious. The categories are not mutually exclusive." Wiggins. Thus, the juvenile court will have to parse out whether the Chandlers' objection is at least partly religiously motivated, as opposed to being entirely motivated by secular concerns. See United States v. Quaintance (10th Cir. 2010) (interpreting a federal statute incorporating constitutional standards); Penwell v. Holtgeerts (9th Cir. 2010) (per curiam); Doswell v. Smith (4th Cir. 1998); United States v. DeWitt, 95 F3d 1374, 1376 (8th Cir. 1996).
The Chandlers' characterization of their objection as religious is not determinative of their sincerity. See Ackerman v. Washington (6th Cir. 2021) (interpreting federal statute). The juvenile court can weigh various factors, including (but not limited to) how long the Chandlers have asserted their professed religious belief, how much they know about it, and their reliance on "religious literature and teachings supporting the belief[.]" Ackerman. Whether the Chandlers have wavered in their actions related to vaccination "also appears to be relevant[.]" Id. So is whether they have been consistent and transparent in indicating that they have a religiously motivated objection to vaccination. See Friedman v. Clarkstown Cent. Sch. Dist. (2d Cir. 2003) ("We note particularly, as did the district court, evidence that plaintiff never described her religious beliefs as the basis for her refusal to immunize to her son's pediatricians, her lack of forthrightness in answering the questions of the superintendent and the district court about the basis for her objections, and the changing nature of her objections over the course of this litigation. … [T]he record in this case suggests to us that plaintiff does not in fact hold religious objections to immunization ….").
But the juvenile court should also be cautious in affording more than a little weight to evidence that the Chandlers were inconsistent in visibly living out their religious beliefs; for example, the frequency of the family's church attendance. See id. ("[W]e recognize that religious beliefs may develop over time and that people may transgress religious beliefs that are nonetheless sincerely held …."); Ackerman (holding that a sincere believer does not lose his ability to assert religious rights "merely because he is not completely scrupulous in his observance; for where would religion be without its backsliders, penitents, and prodigal sons?" (quoting Grayson v. Schuler, 666 F3d 450, 454 (7th Cir. 2012) (interpreting federal statute)).
In sum, the juvenile court's task is ultimately to assess whether the Chandlers are credible in asserting that their objection to the vaccination of their children is religiously motivated. See Snyder v. Murray City Corp. (10th Cir. 1997) (observing in First Amendment case that "[t]he inquiry into the sincerity of a free-exercise plaintiff's religious beliefs is almost exclusively a credibility assessment …."); see also Int'l Soc. for Krishna Consciousness, Inc. v. Barber (2d Cir. 1981) (observing in First Amendment case that key issue was whether religious belief was asserted "in good faith"). The considerations identified above are meant merely as aids to that inquiry.
If, after applying the proper standard to the existing record, the juvenile court finds that the Chandlers failed to carry their burden of showing that their objection to their children being vaccinated was motivated by a sincere religious belief, then it should deny their claims with no further analysis. If it finds that the Chandlers have carried their burden on this point, then the court may resolve the merits of their claims based on its previous order [which had concluded that the Chandlers would lose as a legal matter in any event even if their claims had been sincere -EV] or, at the discretion of the court, may do additional analysis on the merits.
And before that, the court also discussed why sincerity is indeed the threshold for such claims of exemption (a familiar principle in religious exemption law):
The sincerity of the Chandlers' religious beliefs is a necessary element of their First Amendment claims. See Frazee v. Illinois Dept. of Emp. Sec. (1989) ("Our judgments in [previous First Amendment free exercise of religion cases] rested on the fact that each of the claimants had a sincere belief that religion required him or her to refrain from [what the government required of them] …. Because [a claimant in one such case] unquestionably had a sincere belief that his religion prevented him from doing [what the government required], he was entitled to invoke the protection of the Free Exercise Clause…. There is no doubt that only beliefs rooted in religion are protected by the Free Exercise Clause. Purely secular views do not suffice. Nor do we underestimate the difficulty of distinguishing between religious and secular convictions and in determining whether a professed belief is sincerely held. States are clearly entitled to assure themselves that there is an ample predicate for invoking the Free Exercise Clause."). Their claim that OCGA § 15-11-30 is void for vagueness is also rooted in their asserted religious beliefs, because they argue that the statute is void for vagueness as applied to cases where parents have religious objections to vaccinations. And a party raising an as-applied vagueness claim has standing to assert only his own, actual rights, not hypothetical situations or the rights of others….
Religious sincerity is necessary for the Chandlers to pursue their statutory claim, too. OCGA § 15-11-30 provides that legal custodians of children—such as DFCS in relation to the Chandlers' children—have "the right to determine the nature of the care and treatment of such child, including ordinary medical care … subject to … the remaining rights and duties of such child's parent or guardian." The Chandlers argue that the remaining rights and duties recognized by OCGA § 15-11-30 include "the right to a religious exemption to immunization." … Unlike some other statutes that require only a sworn affidavit of religious beliefs, no language in OCGA § 15-11-30 relieves religious objectors from the obligation to prove sincerity to a court empowered to evaluate their credibility. Sincerity, then, is a prerequisite to the Chandlers' statutory arguments as well.
In observing that sincerity is a necessary foundation for the Chandlers' claims, we do not mean to suggest that a court must always make a determination as to sincerity before considering the remainder of a religion-based claim. Courts often assume the sincerity of a professed religious belief before rejecting claims that clearly fail on other grounds, partly because sincerity can be much harder to analyze than the merits of the claims themselves. But here, the opposite appears to be the case: the Chandlers' claims are novel, whereas the trial court already expressed serious doubts about the sincerity of their beliefs. Under these circumstances, we decline to resolve the difficult and consequential merits of the Chandlers' claims before the juvenile court has properly addressed the preliminary question of sincerity….
Parts of the court's analysis suggested that, if the Chandlers were found to be sincere, at least some of the Justices might be open to their legal arguments; but that is an issue that would be taken up on a later appeal.
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I thought religious observance was subjective, since no mainstream religion oppose vaccinations, and most consider it a sin to avoid getting one. More mind reading by the lawyer profession, here.
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"But your religion allows vaccinations. What is your religious objection, anyway?"
"I don't know. Let me go talk to my spiritual advisor!"
[Runs off, blowing by the cleric, to talk to the lawyer.]
One cannot really tell if an individual person's claim of religious belief is sincere, but if you look at the big increase in the number of religious claims after other grounds for objection were no longer available, one can make the general statement that claims of religious sincerity are b.s.
I don't think that follows at all. If there's an alternate ground that's taken at face value rather than the increasingly typical adversarial challenging of religious beliefs, there are likely some that will go ahead and pick the unnecessary fight but most will take the path of least resistance as long as that's available.
I think that in general, the state is entitled to police sincerity more closely than it has. In particular, I think a religious claimant needs to show a belief was pre-existing, and not simply made up as a response to a rule the claimant doesn’t like.
I think the seminal case is the prisoner who responds to a ban on porn by deciding that porn is his scripture and his religion requires him to view it regularly. I think the state is entitled to have some assurance that the alleged belief wasn’t simply made up in response to the rule.
porn...seminal case. [heh, heh]
captcrisis....With respect: baloney. I mean, you can make the statement, but it is not logically supportable.
I'm not willing to take it as far as to make a general statement, but there is some probity in the sudden increase in religious beliefs that conveniently align with existant partisan desires.
Not determinative, and maybe nothing the government can effectively nail down, but I'm not the government, and don't need to carefully agree with that repeated warm yellow liquid on my leg could very well be rain once again.
As government tests the outer limits of it's authority, why would you not expect to see more religious exemption requests. Seems kind of logical to me.
As SCOTUS tilts the anti-establishment/free-exercise scale toward religious exceptionalism, we should absolutely expect a surge of exemption attempts.
As Reallynotbob notes, there is another, broader effect where longer-standing policies are being challenged alluva sudden.
My understanding is that the law requires an analysis of sincerity that is particular to the specific claimant, thus your "one can make the general statement that claims of religious sincerity are b.s." is irrelevant.
All expressions of religious sincerity are b.s.? No way.
Some expressions of religious sincerity are b.s.? Absolutely.
The trick is how to distinguish.
The Georgia Supreme Court here gives some helpful criteria to be applied upon remand. If the Juvenile Court is unable to determine sincerity based on a preponderance of evidence standard, the plaintiffs lose.
But that's what the lower court did, using objective criteria:
"The Court finds that [the Chandlers] have not established by a preponderance of the evidence that they have a religious objection or even observe a particular religion. Contrary to, the evidence shows that they previously attended church but are no longer active, are against vaccination by personal philosophical choice based at least in part on an alleged perception after the oldest was vaccinated and that [John] is a self-proclaimed conspiracy theorist."
The Supreme Court muddied the waters unhelpfully by requiring the trial court to investigate subjective criteria without relying on the objective ones. The idea sounds good over dinner, but the guidance is unworkable and will just mean a lot of hand-waving by the trial courts forced to make these guesses.
Look, I think DCFS should have vaccinated as soon as possible. I think the Juv. Ct judge should have issued the permitting order at 4:55 pm on a Friday, and the Dept should have run and vaccinated the kids over that weekend, before any appeal could be raised. But . . .
I understand why the appellate court felt the need to focus on subjective criteria, as well as objective ones. For my religious friends; I know no one who holds the same beliefs today as he/she did 20 years ago. They have different beliefs. Or they have the same/similar ones, but with different levels of certainty than before. I still think objective stuff (did you resume going to church only after your school told you that your kids need to be vaccinated?) is critically important. But, in matters of faith, I don't see how you can ignore the subjective [and, really, almost impossible to verify, alas] criterion of one's sincerity.
{I, as a Pastafarian, look smugly at all you idiot atheists, Christians, Jews, Mormons, Muslims, Buddhists, etc...since I'm confident that I've picked the one correct religion.} 😉
re: "One cannot really tell if an individual person's claim of religious belief is sincere"
False. The military has been conducting conscientious objector investigations for many decades that hinge on precisely this point. It takes work to do right but it's really not that hard.
The statistical observation will support the conclusion that some (maybe even most) claims of religious belief are fraudulent but it does not and cannot support the claim that all of them are.
The military uses strictly objective criteria, however, which would not pass muster with this particular appellate court.
Sure they would. I was the investigating officer for one of those during the First Gulf War. It would have easily fit within the parameters set out by this decision.
If you can't tell, then you cn't tell.
In other words, go ahead and hold that a litigant's religious belief is not sincere, but be warned that this will cause a massive amount of hassle and nuisance. Or you could just take the easy way out and rule that the litigant's religious belief is legit.
I’d like to say that that’s true whenever the stste has to hold a hearing to deprive someone of a right. But I reccognize that in many cases, the state has found ways to move the pendulum in the other direction. While in theory the state can’t convict you of a crime without a trial with a lot of hassle, in practice it will a plea bargain with a sentence a tenth of what it would be if you go to trial, plus it can often keep you in jail until then, creating pressure in the other direction. In practice, you won’t ask for a trial unless you think it very likely you will be found not guilty, turning the presumption of innocence more or less on its head.
But for religious claims, there are no similar filters or pressured to discourage false claims. A claimant basically has nothing to lose (except the considerable cost of litigation) by making an effort. There is a de facto presumption of sincerity on the claimant’s side which is in practice much stronger than the presumption of innocence in a criminal trial, even though nominally the claimant has the burden of proving it. If claimants can manage the cost of litigation, the state becomes the one with the incentive to settle.
That's one interpretation. The better one is that the sincerity analysis is a legal determination with well-known and long-established standards and if you make the determination (in either direction) without bothering to follow those established standards, expect to get your decision overturned.
I don’t see it that way. I think we’re in fairly new territory. I think people with no obvious association to any religious body are attempting to use religious exemptions to get out of things they had never objected to before in ways that make the current crop of cases different from past ones.
In the past you had Quakers objecting to war, Jews to things on Saturday. Etc. Generally speaking, religious objectors objected to things standard for the denomination, and there was a body of organized religious practice and teachings that people were simply referring to. Courts could easily believe the Quaker about war or the Jew about Saturday because it was readily verifiable they were a Quaker or Jew and the beliefs were pretty standard for the respective religions.
Here, you often have people simply declaring that they believe something, with no background basis for verifying that they didn’t just decide to call it a religious belief as a legal strategy, because labeling it a religous claim gives them an out. There’s no connection to any organized religion, no history of having had the belief in the past.
I think this is a relatively new situation for courts that existing standards simply weren’t designed to address. And it’s a tough one. I think it’s a genuine conundrum that courts are going to have to work their way throough. I don’t think there is much in the way of existing standards to help here.
re: "religious objectors objected to things standard for the denomination"
Not at all. That hasn't been part of the established standards for ... I'm not sure how long but at least since WW2. There are definitely standards for determining if the alleged religious belief is sincere. Connection to a denomination is one of the factors weighing toward a finding of sincerity but it's one of the weakest. And this analysis is not at all novel.
It has been argued that the Alito interpretation of Smith should also apply in the reverse direction: If a religious claimant wasn’t consistent about observing and following the religious belief, it isn’t sincerwly held and isn’t protected.
If one takes this approach to its logical extent, if one makes an exception to (say) Sabbath observance due to health, one can jolly well also make an exception for the state.
I disagree. But I will say that thinking about the consequences when the shoe is on the religious claimant’s foot should caution taking a no-exceptions rule to too great an extreme when the shoe is on the state’s foot.
That said, I think consistency is relevant. Repeated failure to observe a claimed rule, or differentiating explanations that seem too made-up, at some point casts doubt on sincerity. In this case, the parents’ past history, whether they objected to other vaccinations or simply made up the rule for this one, would be quite relevant.
ReaderY, could you respond to this point (I want to better understand your thinking)?
I am a moderately observant Jew. I go to service a few times weekly, and invariably on Friday evening (to welcome Shabbat). Now, if I have a falling out with my synagogue and I stop attending services, do my sincerity evaporate since I am not attending regularly anymore?
The question I have (for you and captcrisis) is what is the bright line you personally use to determine sincerity? When I read your posts, I am left with the impression that you're Ok with using arbitrary standards that might change with a novel situation. That isn't a rule or standard anymore, it is a personal preference.
if I have a falling out with my synagogue
That would establish your religious credentials beyond any doubt of course! (Cue the three-hut joke...)
Same question goes to you SRG...you want to take a swing at it?
The question I have is what is the bright line you personally use to determine sincerity?
I'm not sure I agree with the premise of this question - the government and institutions should seek bright lines; individuals don't generally operate that way.
It's just like a credibility determination of a witness. No bright lines; government isn't expected to do so, but individuals sure can.
I disagree; individuals absolutely seek bright lines on what is permissable, and what is not in their everyday daily life. Examples: No smoking; keep off the grass; speed limit 65; no firearms permitted; no turn on red; business hours are X to Y....all bright lines we seek every day.
No, if you are going to judge religious sincerity, and legally restrict my actions, then I want a bright line everyone follows that is not arbitrary. Otherwise, it is despotism.
How is insisting on a bright line rule consistent with a preponderance of evidence standard of determination for professed sincerity?
Let me answer you this way, not guilty. You don't restrict or infringe my enumerated rights based on a preponderance of evidence, using an arbitrary standard that varies by person.
To restrict/infringe my enumerated rights, it better be 'beyond all reasonable doubt'. 🙂
In other words, religion (almost) always wins.
You are conflating is and ought here. The law IS not what you think it OUGHT to be. Quit claiming that it is.
It's not easy. I'm not even sure there is a bright line. It's easy to decide in some cases, e.g., if someone is stupid enough to post on FB that they're going to pretend to be some Christian sect that shuns vaccination, or on the other hand if someone has been preaching the anti-vax line years before Covid as a consistent JW.
And hypocrisy doesn't negate sincerity Take that idiot clerk Kim Davis, who is a massive hypocrite given her multiple marriages and adultery, but who claimed that handing out licences to gay couples went against her Christian faith. (I guess she took "love one another" literally enough to love as many men as possible...) , From everything I'd read, she was utterly sincere in her religious belief in this matter.
And what if the belief is held on a misapprehension - e.g., refusing vaccines because they contain baby parts. You can pose the hypothetical in cross-examination, "if it turned out that the vaccines do not contain baby parts, would you then accept them?" and if the person says, "no", then you can tell that their explanation isn't sincere. But does that mean that they're not sincere? They may have an inarticulable and intuitive religious conviction, and hence cannot explain why they really refuse vaccination - but are nonetheless convinced that vaccination is counter to their beliefs. Sincere but muddle-headed is still sincere.
Nor is it necessarily easy to distinguish between moral belief and religious. As an atheist Jew, I have no religious beliefs, but I have strong moral beliefs based on my being Jewish - including holding "Chillul hashem" (in the sense of discrediting our tribe*) to be a great wrong. If I were in a situation where I wanted to resist some compelled action on the grounds that it would be a chillul hashem, would my moral sincerity be regarded as a lack of religious sincerity?
I think the best we can hope for is to use the all-too-human approach of cross-examining the person who claims that their religious belief is sincerely held, and see how they hold up. Regard sincerity as a state of mind and judge it just as we judge intent. But I can be persuaded otherwise. "And the Sages agree".
*According to the Mishnah, Rav said that as he was known to be an observant Jew, he would be committing chillul hashem by not paying his butcher on time.
You not only took a swing, you hit a home run. I might not agree all the way, but a great post SRG! I especially appreciated the callout to Rambam. (Yasher Koach!) 🙂
I don’t want to comment too much about Judaism, but I understand there was a big fight between the Orthodox and Conservative people last century when the Conservatives said synagogogue attendance is so important you should drive to get there if you need to, while the Orthodox people said keeping the Sabbath is so important you shouldn’t drive on the Sabbath and should stay home if you need to.
That suggests there’s a basis in traditional Judaism for saykng that attendance isn’t the most important thing in the world, other things are sometimes more important. If you observed other traditional practices the Sabbath, dietary laws, etc., you would probably be able to come up with evidence of doing so, and that would create an evidentiary track record tending to support a sincerity claim regarding a Jewish religous practice.
More generally, I don’t think church attendence is in any way a touchstone. Nor am I suggesting that Reform Jews (who generally don’t observe the sorts of traditional practices I mentioned above) are out of luck. I think courts need to be much more flexible than that. What I’m suggesting is far more modest than that, and there’s no specific litmus test, no saying that if you don’t go to synagogue then you have to keep kosher or something like that.
I think there has to be some sort of evidence of prior adherence, something sufficient to assure the claimant isn’t simply inventing a fictitious religious belief as a litigation strategy. It could easily be something besides attendance.
This was helpful, ReaderY...there has to be some sort of evidence of prior adherence, something sufficient to assure the claimant isn’t simply inventing a fictitious religious belief as a litigation strategy. Thanks for the response.
The problem with the prior adherence criterion is that epiphanies don't develop over a period of time. There was a bishop of Birmingham in the UK called Hugh Montefiore who said that one day he woke up an orthodox Jew and went to bed a believing Christian. His conversion was utterly sincere but had he needed to request a religious accommodation in the US the next day, he would not have been granted one. (And it's not hard to imagine how a death row prisoner might have such an epiphany and have a claim dismissed instantly because GTFO.)
Consistency seems crucial to me. The decision says,
Even if the Chandlers do not "observe a particular religion" or attend church consistently, and even if their objection to vaccination is partly secular, they may still be able to identify a religious belief that they sincerely hold and that would be violated by the vaccination of their children.
But suppose that when they do attend, they attend, say, a Methodist church. It seems reasonable to ask whether Methodists oppose vaccination, or even if the pastor at their church does.
Another factor that I think should enter in is the risk of granting the exemption. To avoid the inevitable "the vaccines are no good" tangent, what if we are talking about a different dangerous and transmissible disease where vaccines are known to be highly effective?
Like polio, right = if we are talking about a different dangerous and transmissible disease where vaccines are known to be highly effective?
Define: Consistency
(....in a manner that applies equally to all)
I'm not sure what you are asking me, XY.
By consistency I was referring to consistency of belief. Assuming one does adhere to a specific religion, as you do, is the religious exemption sought apart of your faith's teachings, or not? Do you object to other vaccines?
Let me speak bluntly. A lot of people object to the Covid shots for political reasons - to demonstrate solidarity with whatever. And some of them are pretending to have religious objections. This whole problem is created by those who do this - indeed by the political objectors.
It is unfortunate that those with legitimate objections are sometimes not believed, but they can blame it on the liars.
Ok bernard11, you answered my question: consistency (and congruity?), specifically of belief. When you said consistency Consistency seems crucial to me., you were using the word in the sense of consistency of belief (I think congruity of belief might fit also, if I understand you fully). Got it.
I have a 'conscientious atheist' problem. What do I say to the conscientious atheist who has ethical objections, but not religious objections, to a state mandate (e.g. vaccine mandate). Are their objections any less valid than a religiously based objection, if their objection is truly a matter of conscience? This problem troubles me...the conscientious atheist with ethical objections. Why cannot both be accommodated? Shouldn't they be?
Separately, I must say I have really enjoyed reading the considered responses I got today. Really thought provoking; I have come away with more questions than answers. The answers I got today (and re-read) will be in mind as I read through the GSC decision. I appreciate that a lot, meaning, all the different responses, answers and perspectives I read today.
The nub of the issue for me is: What reproducible objective test can be used to determine this thing we call 'sincerity'?
The atheist (secular) and religious objector should be treated the same. For vaccines, neither should be accommodated. Perhaps both should be in other areas. Each case should stand on its own merits. But the big point: religion ought not be given preferential treatment.
Josh R...It is funny how we come out so differently, but sincerely. I am going to take your quote and edit it, but saying it from my POV. I mean nothing negative at all...actually, when I thought about it after the edits, it made me smile. Okay, here goes (hope I get my html right!)...
The atheist (secular) and religious objector should be treated the same. For vaccines,
neitherboth should be accommodated.Perhaps bBothshouldmust be in other areas as well. Each case should stand on its own merits. But the big point: religion alone ought not be given preferential treatment to determine sincerity for the purposes of constitutional protection.I think this highlights the asymmetry in the current secular/religious balance. The test for faith is subjective; the litigant's tenets need not be the same as others of the same faith. So the citizen who wants religious accommodation has the advantage of defining her or his own religious tenets to accomplish the desired ends...while the State must minimally burden them.
Over time this creates a superior caste who enjoy more rights than others: the religious. It's one thing to accommodate predictable community standards (e.g. offering kosher meals in prison) but another thing entirely to have to offer individualized benefits for the price of a "sincerely held belief" (e.g. having to cook special keto meals to imprisoned druids who venerate animals). But this tends toward Establishment violations. And note that this SCOTUS seems bound to soon erase entirely the Lemon test that guarded against government/church entanglement. We are inching toward theocracy through systematic "accommodation."
Choose reason. Every time.
Choose reason. Especially over sacred ignorance and dogmatic intolerance. Most especially if you are older than 12 or so. By then, childhood indoctrination fades as an excuse for gullibility, backwardness, ignorance, superstition, and bigotry. By adulthood -- this includes ostensible adulthood, even in America's southern and rural communities -- it is no excuse.
Choose reason. Every time. And education, modernity, inclusiveness, science, freedom, tolerance, and progress. Avoid ignorance, superstition, bigotry, backwardness, insularity, authoritarianism, dogma, and pining for good old days that never existed. Not 75 years ago. Not 175 years ago. Not 2,000 year ago. Never, except in fairy tales suitable solely for children.
Choose reason. Every time. Competent adults neither advance nor accept superstition-based arguments in reasoned debate among adults.
Choose reason. Every time. Be an adult.
Or, at least, please try.
Thank you.
Or
You still haven't indicated how long you've been a leftwing extremist homosexual.
Can anyone point me toward a libertarian blog . . . or an often libertarian blog . . . or even a libertarianish blog?
Not faux libertarian, though . . . I already know where to find all the right-wing faux libertarianism I could ever want or need.
We should bring back ecclesiastical courts, which could judge the sincerity claim against religious doctrine of the particular faith. That way, the judicial tribunal of the state isn't entering into the ecclesiastical realm.
Or, even better, just go back to the standard set by Reynolds v. U.S., which made a distinction between beliefs and action.
The problem with using ecclesiastical courts is that they're confined to formal religion. 1A as interpreted doesn't require that someone's religious beliefs conform to any specific religion.
Between freedom of speech and claims based on freedom of religion the First Amendment has gotten quite a workout.
Granting the government the rights to tell you what is a religion and what is not a religion is a slippery slope that ironically tends to favor the most narrow and dogmatic of creeds over those that might lend themselves to thought and rationality. The Cavanaugh decision in Nevada is worth looking at. https://www.littler.com/publication-press/publication/claims-accommodate-flying-spaghetti-monster-ism-hit-wall-nebraska
The court held that the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster was not sincere enough to be a "real" religion.
"The court rejected the idea that FSMism is a religion because the beliefs associated with it fall outside of these realms. Instead, the court held that FSMism is simply “a satirical rejoinder to a certain strain of religious argument.” Indeed, the court questioned the seriousness of the basic tenets of the Church’s doctrine, holding that it would not take FSMism’s “Gospel” in a literal fashion, when it was clearly meant to satirize other religious beliefs. And while the court was quick to argue that it was not questioning the “validity” of the plaintiff’s beliefs, this did not mean that it needed to treat FSMism as a genuine religion."
Government thought police deciding matters of faith is scary stuff. So are anti vaccers risking the hive for their narrow and selfish motives. Hence we now see a resurgence of polio in the world.
Will we wind up with a list of recognized religions similar the the governments racial classification list.
Probably so. Although I am a standard issue jewish/unitarian atheist, I have found myself being much in favor of the stance of the Satanic Temple, which has used its platform to advocate for church state separation in places like Boston where the issue has come to the fore. Their tenets should appeal to libertarians (although I am certainly not an expert on libertarianism.)
I
One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.
II
The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
III
One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.
IV
The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.
V
Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.
VI
People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.
VII
Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.
Another atheist Jew - yes, I find many of the Satanic Temple's tenets appealing, unsurprisingly as they're essentially humanist.
FWIW I suspect that the FFs were not thinking of a multiplicity of religions when 1A was being discussed.
At the time of the founding America did in fact have a multiplicity of religions and I think that was the reason for the First Amendment.
I think Rhode Island was the principle outlier. "Baptists and Quakers who had fled the persecutions of New England Puritans to settle in Rhode Island were joined in 1658 by a Jewish community at Newport seeking religious freedom. In 1686 a community of Huguenots (French Protestants) was established in the colony."
...and Maryland was had a large Catholic population and if I'm not mistaken religious tests for holding office.
I think it had a multiplicity of sects of Christianity, not a multiplicity of religions in general.
While that is probably true, given that most of the population were from Europe, which was predominantly Christian you overlook the fact that there was a great deal of division among the various sects (much like Islam and the division between Shia and Sunni).
I am aware of the divisions within Christanity at the time and afterwards - have you encountered the Philadelphia Bible Riots? - but it's still Christianity overall. I doubt they were thinking of accommodating mainstream Hinduism or Shintoism, or my favourite religious exercise example, Thugee.
The IRS does that already = ...a list of recognized religions ...
Nor was Alito when the parochial Dobbs decision was issued. The judicial thumb has clearly been placed on the scales. "Sincerely held" religious belief now trumps all sorts of actual discrimination. Handy get out of jail free card.
Those pesky enumerated rights! Arrrgh! 🙂
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. Ninth Amendment.
You are begging the question on what the extent of the right of free exercise of religion is.
If it gives you the right to refuse to serve blacks, jews or gays in your restaurant or rent hotel rooms to them, yes.