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Could Lies About "Election Procedures" Generally Be Punished?
[I'm working on a draft article called When Are Lies Constitutionally Protected?, and I thought I'd serialize it here, since I still have plenty of time to improve it; I'd love to hear your thoughts on it! (All the posts about it will go into this thread.)] [UPDATE: The final paper has now been published by the Knight Institute.]
Much of the concern about generally punishing lies during elections, though, stems from the broad range of lies that could be covered and the potential controversies about what is the truth and what is a factual claim and what is opinion. Narrower restrictions might pose fewer problems.
This is particularly so with regard to lies about the when, where, how, and who of elections: For instance, lies about when polls close, where one can vote, whether one can vote online, by mail, and the like, and who is eligible to vote.[1] These lies can generally be narrowly defined and tend to be easily verifiable; and many such lies are likely to happen shortly before the election,[2] when established alternative institutions—election officials, candidates, the media, and others—might not have the time to undo the effects of the lie.
To be sure, the distinction between such statements and political lies more broadly is not completely sharp. New York Times v. Sullivan the allegation about Rev. King having been arrested seven times by the police was also a narrow and easily verifiable claim, and yet that too was seen as categorically not punishable. Moreover, there will sometimes be controversy about whether a particular statement is an obvious joke, as with this meme, which is the foundation of a criminal prosecution:[3]
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(This is similar to the disputes that often arise about whether an allegedly libelous statement is satire.[4]) And there may also be controversies about what the true meaning of an ambiguous statement might be.[5]
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Tomorrow: Statements about science, government, and the like in specific libel or fraud lawsuits.
[1] Cf., e.g., Mo. Stats. § 115.631(26) (outlawing "Knowingly providing false information about election procedures for the purpose of preventing any person from going to the polls").
[2] For instance, few dirty tricksters would even want to lie about the closing time of polling places a month before the election, since by election day people will likely have forgotten such details.
[3] See Eugene Volokh, Are Douglass Mackey's Memes Illegal?, Tablet, Feb. 9, 2021, https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/douglass-mackey-ricky-vaughn-memes-first-amendment; Complaint, United States v. Mackey, No. 1:21-cr-00080 (E.D.N.Y. Jan. 22, 2021).
[4] See, e.g., New Times, Inc. v. Isaacks, 146 S.W.3d 144 (Tex. 2004).
[5] See, e.g., Minnesota Voters Alliance v. Mansky, 138 S. Ct. 1876, 1889 n.4 (2018) (noting the state's argument that "Please I.D. Me" buttons could be banned at polling places "because the buttons were designed to confuse other voters about whether they needed photo identification to vote," even though literally "Please I.D. Me" doesn't state that photo identification is legally necessary, and in context appears to be a statement of support for voter identification requirements and not a reminder to election officials to comply with any supposedly existing rules). Consider, in the analogous context of laws banning false claims that one is an incumbent, see, e.g., Ore. Rev. Stats. Ann. § 260.550(1)—laws that are likewise potentially justifiable on the grounds that they deal with narrow and easily verifiable factual assertions—Mosee v. Clark, 453 P.2d 176 (Ore. 1969), in which an election was contested on the grounds that the slogan "Return a proven leader" was a false claim of incumbency. The court concluded that the statement was ambiguous, and therefore not false:
In this case, the slogan, 'Return a proven leader,' may have created the inference in the minds of some readers that Clark was an incumbent county officer of some kind, including, perhaps, Commissioner, Position No. 4. However, the slogan also may have caused other readers to draw the inference that Clark had in the past served in county government and had been a leader in government. Since Clark had been County Sheriff, there was no falsity in an inference that he was a veteran in government.
Id. at 87. But one can imagine a different court coming out differently, especially given the word "return."
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That reminds me. As a result of the new voting rights law passed by Congress, we have split voting this year to reduce conflicts between overly emotional voters. Republicans should vote on November 8 and Democrats on November 9. Spread the word.
Good one
It seems to me that these things are very straightforwardly constitutional. Falsely that you should place your ballot in this drop box or voting is at this location deprives someone of a vote in much the same way as saying that your money will be put in insured deposit accounts. You are using false speech to deprive someone of something of value.
This is just plain and simple fraud. How could a claim that this is protected by the First Amendment even be taken seriously?
Perhaps Senator Hruska was right that we can’t all have Brandeises, Frankfurters, amd Cardozos and that mediocre people deserve representation on the Supreme Court.
But do fraudsters?
No one is defending putting out a fake ballot box or anything of the like. That is obviously an issue and obviously a crime. However, I have to draw a line on the "obvious joke".
No reasonable person would believe that you could vote by tweeting a hashtag. Prosecuting that is to attack obvious satire.
We need to keep to our senses, and the best defense is the "reasonable person" standard.
How is tweeting a hashtag to vote for Hillary less believable than believing Trump won the election against Biden? If anything, I find the former more believable.
People have become accustomed to all sorts of outlandish electronic innovations which get adopted in the name of convenience. Why not that? Because the prospect of any such innovation remains speculative, there is no easy way to search for an answer to the question, at least until the fraud has done some damage, and been noted and corrected online.
The Trump wins election question is not speculative. It is easy to verify that Biden won as a matter of fact. Yet tens of millions apparently continue to believe the contrary. Speaking generally, one might suppose that phenomenon calls into question a great deal of law which relies on assumptions about what reasonable people might believe.
By the way, a notably large fraction of everyone will be inclined to believe anything they take to be factual which they think they have discovered for themselves. That makes algorithms which strew lies into the electronic paths of people browsing online especially insidious.
How is tweeting a hashtag to vote for Hillary less believable than believing Trump won the election against Biden? If anything, I find the former more believable.
We're already aware of your cognitive limitations and lack of anything approaching a grasp on reality.
Sorry, wasn’t replying to you. To you, we all understand the urge just overtakes you, but please do try to reach the bathroom next time before you poop.
Sorry, wasn’t replying to you. To you, we all understand the urge just overtakes you, but please do try to reach the bathroom next time before you poop.
What in the actual hell are you babbling about now? Or are you white knighting for Lathrop because you're as stupid and detached from reality as he is?
It does seem that empirical evidence about what actual people do believe often contradicts armchair conclusions about what mythical reasonable people would believe.
That there exist some non-zero number of people who are such morons that they'll believe just about anything is not justification for the idea that someone saying something that is obviously satire should be found guilty of fraud.
President Bush the Elder once made such a joke. Chatting, in a friendly fashion, to a group of voters he discovered that they were all Democrats. Nevertheless, he solemnly stated that a vote was a very precious thing, and that everyone should make sure they exercised it, even to the extent of "voting for my opponent next Wednesday."
Conservative "humor."
Resembles gallows humor.
For good reason.
"Obvious joke?"
Doesn't look that way to me.
First, it's not funny.
Second, it doesn't try to make any sort of satirical point.
I suppose it could depend on who it was aimed at, but regardless, it seems useless other than as a way to trick some people.
OTOH, I guess you might be able to show that no one really acted on it, so it doesn't really matter.
I think @John F. Carr's comment immediately before yours answers this pretty clearly, does it not? See if you can make a case that his comment is "plain and simple fraud". I predict it won't take you very long before you get well in the weeds talking about "believability" and other intangibles that are impossible to prove or disprove objectively.
The upshot is that proving political fraud is probably impossible. Proving actual harm from speech on any topic is amazingly difficult. One would have to make up a situation where the speech itself is literally the one and only thing that caused harm, that it's effects where immediate and had to be believed instantly. Like "yelling FIRE! in a crowded theater."
Things are always a lot easier to prove when you don’t start with a vested interest in not wanting to believe them.
John Carr's comment was made in the context of a discussion of fooling voters. Further, the intended audience is a group of people who mostly follow politics fairly closely, and are unlikely to be fooled.
Plus, there is more than three months to go before the election, so plenty of time for someone who might be fooled to find out the truth.
Big difference.
Fraud requires an intent to deceive.
"I was just kidding", if believable, is a defense.
The MO incorporates an intent standard by requiring that the state show that the statement was "for the purpose of preventing any person from going to the polls."
Also, the last example in the notes involved the phrase “return a proven leader” for someone who was previously sherriff. Professor Volokh speculated that if election-related lies were permitted to be actionable, a court might reach the opinion that this was false. I think calling this a huge stretch is a big understatement. It’s pretty obvious that terms like “proven leader” are heavily opinion and nothing like false statements about straightforward election facts. Perhaps the phrase might be false with respect to someone with no experience at all, of any kind, but probably not for the vast majority of people.
There’s a clear war against democracy happening. Pointy-headed debates about what count as factual lies and opinion lies don’t help anything that I can see. They just give the authoritarians cover to lie.
I've always wondered where the "pointy heads" put-down comes from. What makes their heads pointy? Is it a play on words "he's so sharp", or "like a sharpened pencil", or ...?
Whatever lies might get told about election procedures, or candidates, there is one lie which the nation cannot and should not tolerate. That is a lie made by a person in government, or an erstwhile candidate for office, who denies the result of a completed election. Once the election result becomes final, any candidate, or anyone sworn to uphold the constitution, who continues to deny the outcome was legitimate, should be prosecuted for a crime akin to treason.
Members of government, and participants in the election process, must treat a completed election result as a sovereign decree constituting government, which is what it is. Everyone in government must remain obediently subject to such sovereign decrees, just as they must obey the Constitution, which is itself a sovereign decree.
Because so many folks would still like to deny that today, there is an urgent need to pass a federal law to punish that kind of election denial by sworn office holders and election candidates. By now, the baleful consequences of allowing it to go unpunished ought to be obvious.
The law is needed to make that clear to everyone. It should at the same time distinguish between ordinary citizens—who ought to remain free to say anything at all about elections, for as long as they like—and members of government and candidates for office, who put themselves under a special obligation to obey meticulously, by word and deed, what the sovereign People command with their votes.
Basically, if the election thieves get away with an election steal, you want to make it illegal to remark about it.
"Stolen election" losers -- delusional, disaffected, disgusting QAnon fans, mostly -- are among my favorite culture war casualties.
There are mechanisms to address election fraud and a candidate should use these to prove their case. At a certain point a person not using these mechanism but rather using the public square is guilty of liable against the election, and they should be held accountable.
Well since the election was harmed, by the election can sue!
lmao come on, you people never said a single f'n word for the decades of the 2000 election aftermath or Tank Abrams, or Hillary Clinton's complaints. You people never said an f'n word when Democrats challenged EC tallies.
You people are only saying this because your mindmasters have told you to be angry about it.
That's it. All of you angry "M'uh Sacred Democracy" types are brainless hypocrites.
I agree with the principle but the line drawing is going to be hard. Examples (assume these are all after the vote has been certified):
1. "I would have won if so many illegal voters hadn't been allowed to vote".
2. "I would have won if so many legal voters hadn't been prevented from voting".
3. "I would have won if the rules hadn't been changed at the last minute".
4. "I would have won if the rules had changed to accommodated the emergency COVID conditions"
5. "I would have won if that hyperpartisan judge hadn't kept ordering recounts."
6. "I would have won if that hyperpartisan judge had allowed the recount to finish."
I think you realize that Trump isn't the only certified loser who's made statements like this. And it's often not possible to tell if they are lies, because they involve either secret ballots or the hypothetical votes of non-voters.
Personally, I think all such statements are fine, even if provable lies, as long as it's clear that the candidate accepts the results and isn't suggesting that the winner be denied office.
Being made post-election, none of these will cause anyone not to vote.
Oh, I agree completely. Just responding to SL's "proposal" to ban continuing to contest after certification.
Except what if there is some evidence that there is criminal activity? The general principle is that you cannot benefit from violating the law, correct?
So in election law, is it just a fait accompli? It doesn't matter what laws were violated, the vote is unchallengeable?
At this point, we know for absolute fact and court decision that voting methods and procedures were changed in multiple states contrary to law and state constitutions. Even absent the suspicious counting issues, which are effectively unprovable due to the secret ballot, we have people who deliberately violated election law in order to benefit Biden being rewarded with the victory, and you are claiming it cannot be challenged?
Have you thought this through?
Eugene, tomorrow when you do science, can you cover Dr. Brix's latest confession that she lied about COVID and vaccines and the direct harm caused by her official lies?
Virus-flouting, science-disdaining, poorly educated, alienated Republicans are among my favorite culture war casualties -- and a core target audience for this white, male, right-wing blog.
What does the science tell you about how Monkey Pox is spreading? Like who is spreading it and how are they spreading it?
I have not examined the issue.
News reports I have seen indicated it is afflicting gay persons to substantial degree.
Why do you ask?
I'm surprised to see you so being such a homophobic bigot.
These are your followers, Volokh Conspirators.
Good luck with that.
Sounds like a troll farm operation. If not, heaven help us all.
Regarding lies about the process of elections (e.g. when one should vote, how one can vote, false requirements to vote, etc.) it seems to me this overlaps significantly with SEC enforcement of speech that constitutes a fraud on the market. I raise that because even in libertarian circles, market fraud is usually the touchstone example of an area in which government control/regulation is desirable. So I should think punishing that kind of election-impairing statement is likely to be acceptable and popular among conservatives (and the public generally).
I agree with this. Lying deliberately to affect the election mechanism in such a way to affect the outcome should be punished.
Lying deliberately to affect the election mechanism in such a way to affect the outcome should be punished.
How do you feel about a candidate and campaign working with foreign agents to concoct phony "opposition research" and use the resulting false allegations to try to smear a candidate and sway an election? Is that treason?
Also, add "using that phony research as a pretense to sic the nation's top law enforcement agency on your political opponent".
Apparently they were so skilled a subterfuge that two years, $40M, 2,800 subpoenas, 40 FBI agents, 20 DOJ lawyers and 500 witnesses somehow all missed this complete fabrication!
Amazing!
It's easy to miss a fabrication when you refuse to look into it. The FBI deliberately hid the source of the Steele Dossier and pretended it wasn't critical to their initial warrants when it was.
Finally, the Clinton campaign was fined $100k in 2021 for their involvement in the Dossier, being a campaign finance violation.
NO NO NO! Don't you get it? It isn't about facts. It's about which side is doing it. That's why there was no penalty for what you're talking about. Sheesh! Some people just don't get it. /s
What about lying about a bombshell story, and even censoring it, about a child-raping drug addict son of a candidate that affects the outcome of an election?
A case that backfired:
Last cycle, Texas officials created a rule that drop-off boxes for mail-in ballots would be restricted to one monitored location per county. Of course, it was still fine (and expected) to mail in the ballot.
National Democratic groups flooded their e-mail and text message lists with notices that Texas was "forcing" absentee voters to drive dozens of miles to wait in long lines. I suppose the intent of this misrepresentation (or spin if you want to be charitable) was to build some outrage and motivate voters to come out.
But in Texas itself, it backfired. An elderly, hard-core Democratic relative of mine spent hours driving around trying to find the location of the one true box. I told her she could (and should, given Covid) just mail it from home, but she said that was not true: the e-mails had told her she was "forced" by law to find the box.
She eventually found it, but I wonder how many elderly Democratic voters just gave up and didn't mail or deliver it in person.
Should that e-mail has been illegal? Was it lying by omission? Did they need to make it clear that the normal thing to do is stick the ballot in that postpaid envelope and take it to your own mailbox?
It's not lying when the Democrats doing it, they are operating under the General Welfare clause of the Constitution which grants them the power to do anything so long as their intent is for the Greater Good.
Democrats winning elections is for the Great Good, you see, so they can do whatever they want. It's all legal and constitutional.
This is an interesting double-dip. The critique here is that, faced with significant reductions in drop-off boxes, Democratic Party organizers should have encouraged voters to rely even more heavily on mail-in procedures.
Of course, one reason many voters prefer drop-off boxes is because it adds certainty their vote will be counted, and counted on Election Day.
Fast forward to the post-2020 election squabbling. Trump and the GOP complained bitterly that the disproportionately Biden-leaning mail-in vote, which was counted after Election Day votes, was prima facie evidence of fraud. That imbalance featured prominently in the lawsuits and even in 2000 Mules.
So it would appear that further reliance on the mail-in vote will just invite further attacks about "stolen elections." Meanwhile, governments like Texas are reducing drop boxes on the ground that they should not be trusted either (notwithstanding the greater anti-fraud protections at drop-off locations).
In Massachusetts, my town put one collection box in the obvious place, at town hall. But you could be malicious. In a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying "beware of the leopard", that sort of thing.
How about “fake” elector schemes? Could those be punished?
The Leftists instead sent waves and waves of COVID infected into elderly nursing homes in three states and genocided tens of thousands.
Floriduh’s Covid death rate is now higher than NY’s even though in January 2021 NY had roughly twice as many Covid deaths as FL. Bottom line—DeathSantis killed more grannies than Cuomo.