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Tentative Thoughts On The Jewish Claim To A "Religious Abortion"
Recently, Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor, a synagogue in Palm Beach County, Florida, challenged the constitutionality of Florida's new abortion restriction. I think there are many procedural problems with the complaint, including standing and the scope of the proposed remedy. (See my post here.) But here I'd like to address the merits question--or at least offer some tentative thoughts on the issue: does a prohibition on abortion violate the Free Exercise rights of Jewish women? Under Employment Division v. Smith, the abortion law would be considered a neutral rule of general applicability, without any indication of animus towards Jews. This law would easily survive rational basis review. But there is a strong movement to overrule Smith--a step the Court stopped short of in Fulton. So I will consider the separate question of whether this law would violate the pre-Smith framework from Sherbert v. Verner. (The inquiry may be a bit different under a law like RFRA, which Florida has adopted.)
Under the Sherbert test, a court would ask if Florida's abortion law "substantially burdens" the free exercise of religion of certain Jewish women. The Supreme Court has described this element in stark terms. For example, in Sherbert v. Verner, Justice Brennan wrote that South Carolina's policy "forces [the Seventh-day Adventist] to choose between following the precepts of her religion and forfeiting benefits, on the one hand, and abandoning one of the precepts of her religion in order to accept work, on the other hand." More recently, in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, the Court observed that "If the owners comply with the HHS mandate, they believe they will be facilitating abortions." This imposition, Justice Alito wrote, obviously amounts to a "substantial burden." In both cases, the government forced a person into a dilemma: follow your religion and suffer civil consequences, or follow the civil law and suffer religious consequences. Described in those terms, there are serious repercussions for flouting either church or state.
In these decisions, the Court never saw fit to discuss, in any depth, what those ecclesiastical consequences were. For example, Justice Alito did not discuss whether the Green Family members believed they would be punished in the afterlife for providing certain contraceptives. The Court likely presumed that the litigants were sincere in their beliefs that there would be spiritual repercussions for taking these actions. Indeed, in Hobby Lobby, "no one . . . disputed the sincerity of their religious beliefs." (In Unraveled, I discussed how the Obama Administration consciously adopted this strategy.)
For Christians, perhaps, quantifying the consequences of committing a sin is easier. For Jews, however, the issue is far more complicated. Judaism is not a centralized religion. There is no Jewish equivalent of a Pope. We often speak of "Orthodox," "Conservative," and "Reform" Jews, but even within these categories, there is no official or standardized set of teachings. Every Congregation, indeed, every Rabbi, may follow the teachings in different fashions. Moreover, every Jew can look to faith in his own fashion. And there is no obligation to be consistent. A Jew could hold one opinion in the morning, and then change his mind over lunch, and go back to the original position after dinner. The old saw, Two Jews, Three Opinions, is apt.
In light of this divergent nature of Judaism, I find it unhelpful to decide whether Jewish law in fact imposes some sort of obligation or duty to have an abortion to save a woman's life. I'm sure there will be robust debates on both sides of this issue, but for purposes of the courts, the answer doesn't matter. If a particular plaintiff sincerely holds the belief that her religion imposes such a duty, a court cannot say otherwise.
Many advocates in the religious liberty community have long been hesitant to empower courts to scrutinize sincerity. If we move to a post-Smith world, I think this paradigm will have to shift. For example, during the pandemic, it is my sense that many of the religious objectors to the vaccine mandates were not sincere. They were looking for some reason--any reason--to resist the jab. Their objection was political or philosophical or medical or something else--but not based on conscience. Intake attorneys at religious liberty firms will attest to this fact. In the aggregate, I think the religious liberty movement will be benefitted by providing relief to those who sincerely hold those beliefs, and winnowing out those who are congregants of convenience. The boy who cries wolf--or god--hurts us all.
Which brings me to Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor. The Congregation's website offers this description: "We are led by Rabbi Barry Silver, whose leadership has allowed us to evolve into a synagogue that practices a special blend of modern, progressive Judaism that, while rooted in the Bible, is also grounded in a modern understanding of reason and science." (Rabbi Silver is also the attorney who filed the complaint in state court--he has been sanctioned in state court.) The website does not clearly associate this congregation with any Reform or Reconstruction organizations, but it is safe to presume that Rabbi Silver does not associate with the Orthodox movement.
One of the biggest differences between Orthodox Judaism and Reform Judaism turns on the treatment of Jewish Law, known as halacha. Orthodox Jews tend to view halacha as binding. Reform Jews tend not to. (This article from ReformJudiasm.org provides one perspective on the issue.) To use an example, Orthodox Jews tend to follow a strict set of dietary laws, known as the laws of Kashrut. By contrast, Reform Jews tend not to treat those rules as binding, and will have no problem with eating non-Kosher food. Orthodox Jews tend to avoid performing work (broadly defined) on the Sabbath. By contrast, Reform Jews tend not to treat those rules as binding, and will have no problem with working on the Sabbath. These statements are admittedly gross generalizations, but they capture the broad trends.
This dichotomy would have some bearing on the Free Exercise Clause. If a state prohibited ritual Kosher slaughter (as several European countries have done), would that law impose a substantial burden on the free exercise of religion? For those Jews who treat the rules of Kashrut as binding, and have an obligation to eat Kosher meat in certain circumstances--a question on which there is some debate--there is absolutely a substantial burden on free exercise. For those Jews who treat the rules of Kashrut as advisory or perhaps aspirational, and routinely eat non-Kosher foods, there probably is not a substantial burden on free exercise. Likewise, imagine if a state conditions the payment of employment benefits on a person's willingness to work on Saturday (the facts in Sherbert v. Verner). A Jew who, in keeping with halacha, never works on the Sabbath could credibly allege a substantial burden. A Jew who treats the prohibition on work on the Sabbath as aspirational, and always works on the Sabbath, could not credibly allege a substantial burden--or more precisely, such an allegation could not be sincere.
This background brings us to the precise claims put forward by Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor. The complaint is somewhat jumbled, but buried in the pleading is a religious claim: Jewish women have some sort of religious obligation to obtain an abortion if the pregnancy threatens their health. This argument is premised on halacha, which, again, Reform Jews tend not to view as binding. So here is the crux of this post: if virtually every other facet of halacha is not binding on members of this congregation, how could it be that this one teaching on abortion is binding--so binding, that a state's prohibition of that teaching actually substantially burdens the free exercise of religion? This complaint differs from the myriad people who conveniently discovered a religious objection to the COVID vaccine, yet received many other vaccinations. Likewise, members of this congregation do not stand in the same shoes as the draft dodgers who miraculously discovered the virtues of Quakerism. Members of Congregation L'Dor Va-Dor have likely held these views on abortion and halacha for some time. But to claim that their religious exercise is substantially burdened, I think there has to be some broader showing that the religious belief is obligatory in nature. The belief can't simply be aspirational. To use an analogy to the law, this precedent cannot be merely persuasive; it must be binding.
Professor Sherry Colb addressed a related argument:
If one wanted to have a chance of prevailing on a "religious abortion" claim, one would have to assert that one's religion requires one to have an abortion rather than that it merely allows one to have one. If one's religion requires an abortion, then the state law that prohibits abortion would plainly interfere with one's ability to practice one's religion. But when would anyone's religion require an abortion?
If this congregation's faith does not require keeping kosher, does not require honoring the Sabbath, and so on, could it be said that this faith actually imposes a duty to have an abortion? Imagine a hypothetical conversation between the Rabbi and a female congregant:
Congregant: Do I have to keep Kosher?
Rabbi: No.
Congregant: Do I have to abstain from working on the Sabbath?
Rabbi: No.
Congregant: But if my pregnancy may affect my health, am I required to have an abortion?
Rabbi: Absolutely, yes. No question about it.
Congregant: If I choose not to obtain an abortion when my health is in jeopardy, would I be sinning? Would there be disapproval of my actions in any way?
Rabbi: No and No.
Stated differently, if a person's religious beliefs view halacha as non-binding--that is, the person is not required to take a certain action to comply with the halacha--it is difficult to claim that a government prohibition of that action is itself a substantial burden of religion. And if a person treats 99.9% of halacha as non-binding--including far more deeply-rooted rules governing Kosher slaughter and sabbath observance--yet deems as binding the interpretation of halacha that affects abortion, I think the person's sincerity can be challenged. To be precise, this person may sincerely believe that her religion allows--and perhaps even encourages--an abortion in such cases, but does not sincerely believe that religion compels this action such that the prohibition substantially burdens her exercise. The legal concept of a "substantial burden," which was developed in the context of Christian faiths, does not neatly map onto a Jewish faith that does not actually impose any requirements on congregants, but instead only offers aspirational principles.
My conclusion here should not be surprising. Historically, the people who brought Free Exercise claims tend to be more observant or orthodox. Those who are less devout are less likely to be burdened by restrictions on religion. Stated differently, those whose religions practices do not conflict with prevailing societal norms are unlikely to seek redress in the courts. It is those people whose religious practices conflict with prevailing societal norms who will seek redress in the courts. What makes the "religious abortion" claim different is that people who tend to be less observant now find themselves at odds with prevailing societal norms--post-Dobbs--and are seeking redress in the courts. The Free Exercise Clause applies to all people, but the question of whether a law substantially burdens the free exercise of religion turns on how a person practices her faith.
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I don't recall the right to abortion clinics every block to be a fundamental part of Jewish tradition but maybe I haven't read into it enough.
Sounds about right.
But in short...
If you have a religious belief that mandates getting an abortion, unless you choose not to get an abortion....it's not much of a religious belief.
And you pointed this out at the time, right? Because it would sure be a bad look if you started demanding skepticism about religious sincerity at the precise moment people you disagree with politically started presenting those claims...
If you want getting an abortion to be as hard as avoiding the vaxx I'm game.
Blackman unintentionally demonstrates why Employment Division is the better approach than whatever it is he wants. Judaism doesn't have a pope, but his attempt to hand-wave away a religious claim is to pretend to be (and to have courts pretend to be) Uber Pope.
Even if the highest authority in a given faith says otherwise, it wouldn't and shouldn't undermine an individual's expressed belief. The courts shouldn't pretend they can guage sincerity.
I wish we had a like button for comments.
Exactly.
My understanding, by the way, is different than Josh's.
Congregant: If I choose not to obtain an abortion when my health is in jeopardy, would I be sinning? Would there be disapproval of my actions in any way?
Rabbi: No and No.
I think the right answers are Yes, and No, insofar as formal action by the synagogue or rabbi or any Jewish religious organization goes.
Were I cross-examining, though, I might ask whether eating pork is "sinning." And if so, why does Reform Judaism allow it, and even many of their rabbis do it?
And, therefore, what is the difference between not getting an abortion when one's health is in jeopardy, and eating pork?
One involves killing a human being
Not usually.
Were I cross-examining, though, I might ask whether eating pork is "sinning." And if so, why does Reform Judaism allow it, and even many of their rabbis do it?
Because Reform Judaism doesn't consider it a sin? Or the individual Jew doesn't?
Are you going to demand strict consistency of belief and practice before you take any religious claim seriously?
If so, maybe Christians shouldn't be citing Leviticus for some of their beliefs.
The Rabbi was right.
XY,
I don't think so, but I'm willing to listen.
Remember, I'm talking about formal punishments, not social disapproval.
There is no formal punishment if a mother sacrifices her life, in a choice freely made, without duress - for her child. I am speaking of true 'life or death' situations where an immediate decision must be made (by the mother). It is incredibly rare, bernard11. This is the sense I am speaking.
There is no formal punishment in that circumstance.
It's somewhat similar to abortion in the Catholic church: It's considered a grave sin if elective, but the formal sanction is reserved, not for the commission of the sin, but for publicly denying that it IS a sin, and thus misleading others into commission of it, too.
The short answer is it doesn't matter if there is sincerely held Jewish belief that abortion must be acceptable. Religous liberty is limited when it comes to taking another human life. Otherwise we would have to seriously entertain the Islamic case for being legally allowed to murder heretics. A religious belief that while despicable we know for a fact is sincere in many cases.
Begging the question.
No, refocusing on the only relevant question. The entire abortion debate rests solely on when humans gain the right to life. The article's question doesn't matter, because it is completely dependent on the answer to the first.
The questions in the article may not matter to you in a moral sense, but they are very relevant legally. The law does not currently recognize or decide when humans gain the right to life, or even one one becomes human.
Yes. That's right.
So when you say the religious belief "doesn't matter" because abortion takes a human life, you are, ISTM, assuming an answer to what you say is the most important issue - when humans gain the right to life.
No. That's not what he's saying. He's saying that IF a state prohibits abortion on the grounds that it's killing a human life, then a sincerely held religious belief wouldn't protect you.
But that assumes the courts accept what the state claims. And that's the question being debated.
No, it's not begeting the question. However, he is begging the question in the modern sense of the term.
You have to start with whether the child is a separate person worthy of legal protection. After that, none of the answers to the other questions matter.
If it's not a separate person, then there's no objections at all.
If it is, then the standard rules of triage apply, where abortion is necessary in emergencies to try and save the mother, but not for minor "health" reasons. These overrule the religious arguments completely because religious beliefs don't override homicide law.
So, in either case, we are begging that you answer the first question because either answer renders the religious argument irrelevant.
As a constitutional question, the right to life is not an enumerated right in the constitution. Unless you support the doctrine of unenumerated rights, then the correct approach is to say that the State has no legitimate interest in protecting the life of the unborn that can override other rights - or indeed any legitimate interest in protecting the life of the born.
That doesn't mean that there is a right to an abortion - it just means that the supposed right to life has no place in the discussion.
This is why the Second Amendment grants the right to keep and bear arms to active shooters. There is no right to life, so you can't disarm people just to stop them killing. You can kill them to stop them killing though.
Leaving aside that "life" is explicitly mentioned in the 14th Amendment, those (I am not among them) who support only enumerated rights do not argue the Constitution requires state statutes to be justified by an enumerated right. They instead argue that constitutional prohibitions against state statutes must be justified by an enumerated right.
Since abortion is not enumerated, these folks believe the Constitution does not prevent the states from outlawing abortion. But, states are nonetheless allowed to pass laws that legalize abortion. Similarly since life is not enumerated, the Constitution does not prevent the states from legalizing abortion. But, states are nonetheless allowed to outlaw abortion.
“Religious liberty is limited when it comes to taking another human life.” Is it? Is the question when human life begins independent of religious belief? The definition of life beginning at conception is itself deeply rooted in Catholic and fundamentalist evangelical convictions. Yet if I am informed correctly, according to the Talmud, life begins at birth, and in some halakha teaching even thirteen days after birth. In what way then, could the Catholic/fundamentalist definition of the beginning of life take precedence over the Jewish conception?
I should add that I am agnostic, and that I find it quite difficult to find a scientific bright line for the beginning of human life. So, yes, in my world “religious liberty is limited when it comes to taking another human life”, but only when defining what a human life is, is not built on religious belief. Tentatively, I’d put it at the beginning of a centralized perception in the fetus when the feeling of pain is possible. Not very satisfying, I admit. But it beats me why from an ethical point of view the killing of a fully sentient and conscious animal should be permissible while the abortion of a human fetus without any conscience is abominable.
I struggled quite a bit when using the term "conscience", and for good reason. What I meant was the capacity for centralized information processing which can be independent of conscience. If there is no structure for such centralized information processing, the distinction of human life to say, animal life, relies on the potentiality for human life which would include what might have been "killed" by birth control or male masturbation. I wonder if Justice Thomas would like to include the latter in his condemnation of a right to privacy, and what would in all probability indeed create equality between men and women when it comes to crimes against procreation — if one would consider equal that the vast majority of men would be sanctioned as compared to a minority of women.
Quite elucidating prospects ...
In certain cases Jews don’t even observe for mourning customs for an infant that dies before 30 days of life because it is assumed that that infant was simply not compatible with life.
This level of transparently result-driven, polemically political, hilariously predictable argument is precisely how one lands -- and stays mired -- at a law schools ranked ranked higher than roughly a half-dozen of the 200-some law schools in America.
Hi, Rev. What are you trying to say? I could not follow your statement.
It's another one of his slam poems. Just appreciate his dedication to repetition.
I don't often agree with AK, but he's right here. This post is ridiculous, from assuming that Christians are a centralized group with a pope to ignoring Orthodox Judaism. AK's broader point that Josh's interpretive principles are dedicated to particular ends is pretty uncontroversial; Josh has implied such many times.
The legal concept of a "substantial burden," which was developed in the context of Christian faiths, does not neatly map onto a Jewish faith that does not actually impose any requirements on congregants, but instead only offers aspirational principles.
Do most mainstream Protestant denominations impose requirements?
And you can skip all that and get right to "and we can still ban it" pretty easily for the same reason that "My religion compels me to sacrifice humans" doesn't work either.
You only do that if an abortion ban satisfies strict scrutiny, which is far from clear. Note that the leaked Dobbs draft held that abortion bans are subject to rational-basis review.
A few remarks as an Orthodox Jew:
The preservation of human life is one of the highest principles of Jewish law, and it takes priority over nearly every other obligation. Every Orthodox rabbi without exception agrees that abortion is mandatory in order to protect the life of the mother, right up to the point when the baby's head is born. This is a Talmudic ruling and is not disputed. It does not require the threat to the mother to be imminent or definite.
Many if not most rabbis extend this principle further, and require an abortion if the pregnancy is likely to substantially harm the physical health of the mother, or even her mental health. There is of course room for judgment, and not all cases are clear-cut. But halacha prioritizes the life and health of the living mother over that of the unborn child.
There are also cases where Jewish law would generally consider abortion to be advisable though not mandatory, such as where there is a likelihood of substantial fetal deformity.
So regardless of the dubious nature of the congregation which filed this petition, any Orthodox organization would also be concerned that many states are considering legislation that would criminalize many abortions which Jewish law would consider mandatory. Some Orthodox institutions have already issued such statements. This is not a matter for the liberal movements alone.
To support Elbow Grease's point:
"The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America (Orthodox Union) recently issued the following statement regarding the US Supreme Court’s potential overturning of Roe v Wade:
The Orthodox Union is unable to either mourn or celebrate the news reports of the U.S. Supreme Court’s likely overturning of Roe v Wade. We cannot support absolute bans on abortion—at any time point in a pregnancy—that would not allow access to abortion in lifesaving situations. Similarly, we cannot support legislation that permits “abortion on demand”—at any time point in a pregnancy—and does not confine abortion to situations in which medical (including mental health) professionals affirm that carrying the pregnancy to term poses real risk to the life of the mother.
As people of faith, we see life as a precious gift granted to us and maintained within us by God. Jewish law places paramount value on choosing life and mandates – not as a right but as a responsibility – safeguarding our own lives and the lives of others by behaving in a healthy and secure manner, doing everything in our power to save lives, and refraining from endangering others. This concern for even potential life extends to the unborn fetus and to the terminally ill.
Abortion on demand – the “right to choose” (as well as the “right to die”) – are thus completely at odds with our religious and halachic values. Legislation and court rulings that enshrine such rights concern us deeply on a societal level.
Yet that same mandate to preserve life requires us to be concerned for the life of the mother. Jewish law prioritizes the life of the pregnant mother over the life of the fetus such that where the pregnancy critically endangers the physical health or mental health of the mother, an abortion may be authorized, if not mandated, by Halacha (Jewish law) and should be available to all women irrespective of their economic status. Legislation and court rulings-federally or in any state-that absolutely ban abortion without regard for the health of the mother would literally limit our ability to live our lives in accordance with our responsibility to preserve life.
The extreme polarization around and politicization of the abortion issue does not bode well for a much-needed nuanced result. Human life-the value of everyone created in the Divine Image-is far too important to be treated as a political football."
Source: https://aish.com/48954946/
Actually, the OU statement does not support Elbow Grease's point, because he has alit on the slippery slope. His "substantially harm the physical health of the mother, or even her mental health" is not the same as the OU's "critically endangers the physical health or mental health of the mother..."
"The preservation of human life is one of the highest principles of Jewish law, and it takes priority over nearly every other obligation. Every Orthodox rabbi without exception agrees that abortion is mandatory..."
Contradiction!
EVERY abortion takes a human life.
Try again.
Correct, except that you are ignoring the laws of defense against an aggressor - said aggressor not having to be compos mentis or have any intent. Consider the response, under this simplistic view you present, to an attack by a murderous adult.
If you want to get into far more subtle arguments, consider the permissibility of shooting down a plane-full of innocent passengers heading for the Twin Towers.
Except a child is NOT and "aggressor" -- no Mens rea
or any action taken by the child. It seems your problem is with biology (and reality.)
Try again.
I was going to throw in mens rea, but like I did say more simply, intent is not a factor.
BTW, I am not trying to "defend" Jewish Law on the subject - it needs no defense. I am simply trying to contribute information.
Except we're discussing *religious* reality. Judaism's category of "rodef" (often translated as "pursuer") doesn't need mens rea
Thanks for goysplaining Halacha.
This isn't hard. Judaism does not consider a fetus to have equal status with a human that's out of the womb. That might be to a greater or lesser extent depending on the denomination of the rabbi who is talking, but it is pretty much a universal idea within Judaism.
Abortion is in no way a “ neutral rule of general applicability”. It is based on Christian ideology.
A law is not generally applicable if it “invites” the government to consider the particular reasons for a person’s conduct by providing “a mechanism for individualized exemptions.” Fulton v. City of Philadelphia, 593 U.S. ___, ___ (2021), quoting Employment Division, Department of Human Resources of Oregon v. Smith, 494 U.S. 872, 884 (1990). If a state statute prohibiting abortions contains any exceptions (such as to save the life of the pregnant woman -- which would necessitate consideration of the particularized circumstances), it would not be of general applicability.
An individualized exemption can't automatically be based on consideration of particularized circumstances. If it were, then anti-discrimination law which exempts employers with fewer than 15 employees would not be of general applicability. Instead, as the Fulton Court said (my emphasis)
An exemption for the life of the women grants no such discretion.
The extent to which maternal life is endangered calls for evaluation of the particularized circumstances. The physician exercises discretion (informed of course by professional judgment) as to whether the threat is sufficient to allow an abortion.
You may have a point if government officials (not physicians) use their discretion in rejecting some, but not all, life exemptions based on the woman's individualized circumstances. Whether that is the case likely depends on the exact wording of a law and even more importantly how it is carried out.
Indeed.
That’s the “strong Alito” approach. But under “weak Alito,” all exceptions do is take the analysis back to pre-Smith. If the challenge would fail pre-Smith, it fails “weak Alito” too.
Not guilty's interpretation goes far beyond what you call strong Alito. He's arguing that anything other than a blanket "No X" is not of general applicability. But that's clearly wrong; it would mean that even homicide laws aren't neutral laws of general applicability, because of course some homicides are legal (e.g., self-defense).
Newark had a policy requiring uniformed officers to be clean-shaven; Alito as a judge ruled that this wasn't a neutral rule because it made exceptions for cops with medical conditions affecting their shaving. But under Not guilty's framework, the fact that the policy did not apply to undercover officers would also have made it not of general applicability, and Alito rejected that argument.
He analogized it to the rule in Smith that one could use controlled substances with a prescription; that, of course, did not make the law not of general applicability, per SCOTUS.
No more that the prohibition against murder is based on religious ideology.
The question of whether or not the fetus has rights, and if so, at which point, has to be settled by law. My inclination is that any doubts should be resolved in favor of the fetus - because this is a question of murder.
Recall that the Nazis stripped Jews of their rights to be protected by the Reich in the Nuremberg Laws. Stripping fetuses of their rights smells the same.
Prof Blackman may be right in theory about how a slackening of observance affects the burden - but it causes a huge problem in practice when applied to very many Christians - who claim many things to be burdensome (cf that rank hypocrite Kim Davis) yet who seem unwilling to abide by some of the more fundamental principles of Christianity.
For a ruling to go against this Congregation the courts would have to accept that in subsequent cases on other matters they'd have to inquire more deeply into the observance of Christian plaintiffs - which I think we can assume that they would be reluctant to do (unless they find some way to distinguish - always a possibility with the current SC).
I don't see Prof. Blackman's idea as challenging the Christians in your scenario. The difference between Christians in your scenario, and the Reform Judaism that he discusses, is like the difference between a self-styled Sovereign Citizen and someone who drives over the speed limit.
Violating a law is not the same thing as formally declaring the entire corpus of law to not be binding.
The federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act and its state law equivalents have been weaponized by the right wing. Inquiry into the sincerity of a plaintiff's claimed religious belief is verboten, and a claimed "substantial burden" is measured by its effect on an individual plaintiff's idiosyncratic exercise of religion -- irrespective of whether the challenged governmental action runs afoul of the tenets of a religious group.
Suppose a twenty-first century Ollie McClung claims that his deity told him that serving whites and Negroes together in the dining room of his barbecue joint in compliance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is an abomination which would condemn him to hell in the afterlife. Would the burden be upon the federal government to show that providing take-out service only to Negro customers is not a suitable, less restrictive alternative?
Sadly, if the federal RFRA applies to Title II of the CRA, I think so. Congress should clarify RFRA does not apply (the proposed Equality Act does so).
Suppose we have a series of silly hypotheticals that don't every occur or are shot down on the first attempt. Like all those attempts to say paying taxes violated the person's religion...
Silly? We have already had a string of cases objecting to serving gay couples' weddings. Anti-discrimination laws are already under attack.
That you view freedom as a "weapon" is telling.
It is a weapon of lawfare, and it has precious little to do with freedom.
No, you are allowed to challenge sincerity. You aren't allowed to challenge validity.
Does that mean you can say "this person doesn't actually believe this", but not "this is not a thing that this person's religion requires even if they do sincerely believe that it does"?
That is, there is no external standard for religious belief, merely the subjective question of sincerity on the part of the self-proclaimed believer.
Correct. The former is an ascertainable (with difficulty, and thus is rarely litigated, except when someone comes up with an obviously pretextual argument) fact.
The latter is a matter of religious doctrine, and the government is not empowered to decide what "correct" religious doctrine is. Even if the overwhelming number of adherents of a particular religion believe X, that doesn't mean the minority who believe Y is objectively wrong. (Indeed, history is littered with examples of a small number of dissenters breaking away from a particular religious movement over a disagreement about some doctrinal matter. And the breakaway group holds Y as a matter of sincere religious belief.)
You got it. See Thomas v. Review Board
Moreover, an external, secular standard for religious belief raises serious Establishment Clause issues.
Assuming (without accepting) that it is legitimate for a federal court to tell Reform Jews that since they regard other aspects of traditional Judiasm as non-binding, this one ought to be non-binding too, what happens when you get Orthodox Jews who make the same argument? What then?
I also don’t understand the insincerity argument. Assuming as Professor Blackman states it that their religion tells them that you follow traditional Jewish law when it’s convenient for you and you don’t follow it when it isn’t, how in the world are they not sincerely following their religion?
Is Professor Blackman claiming that they are being in any way insincere in claiming that following traditional Jewish law on abortion (as they claim it to be) would, in this instance, be convenient for them? Unless Professor Blackman can support that claim, I don’t see how he can avoid concluding that they are being completely true to their religion, and completely consistent with its teachings. You follow traditional Jewish law when it’s convenient for you means you do exactly what they are doing.
He answered your point when he wrote this:
"Stated differently, if a person's religious beliefs view halacha as non-binding--that is, the person is not required to take a certain action to comply with the halacha--it is difficult to claim that a government prohibition of that action is itself a substantial burden of religion."
If everything is a matter of convenience, then one can hardly say one's religion is burdened by banning something. Some people prefer chocolate ice cream, some vanilla. If the government banned chocolate, that would hardly be a burden on their choice.
I don't think he did.
The argument implies that you have to accept the whole thing as binding, or none of it. That doesn't seem right.
Would also point out that they would also be being completely true to their religion if the kosher meal was nicer than the non-kosher one. Their religion, again as Professor Blackman stated it, would require them to eat the kosher meal in that case (but not if the non-kosher meal was nicer). There would be no insincerity at all.
No, you're trying to be too clever by half here. You can't argue "My religion says that I should do what I want, and this is what I want, so therefore it is a religious commandment for me to do it." I mean, you can argue that, but it's not how any court would interpret it.
I think the only legitimate way abortion laws could pass a pre-Smith religious rights challenge is for the court to say that the state’s interests becomes sufficiently conpelling to overcome religious rights at a point earlier than viability.
After all, the L’Dor v’Dor folks could make the identical challenge to current abortion laws about needing to do post-viability abortions, and the answer would be the state’s interest becomes compelling at viability and hence trumps religion rights. So the identical issues would apply beforehand.
I think this issue is one of the reasons Kavanaugh and Barrett have been so hesitant to flat-out overrule Smith. The case might well lead them to explicitly uphold it.
If they wanted to go about demonstrating a fundamental right to abortion when a pregnancy threatens the health of the mother, it would seem to be far simpler to do so on self defence grounds. For instance, examine the case for ectopic pregnancies:
1) Imminence - The timeframe for this is normally a couple of seconds or less. However, the logical underpinnings of this would seem to justify action against threats for which the leadup time is many times this in duration if the threat is inevitable. The justification for the use of force when a threat is imminent is that the threat is considered inevitable in that instance; that is, nothing in that moment, short of retaliatory force, will prevent harm from being carried out upon you. In a similar vein, death of the mother is all but guaranteed if the baby is carried to term; it is inevitable, as nothing throughout the remainder of the pregnancy (short of terminating the pregnancy) will prevent the death of the mother. If an threat is imminent, it is, by nature, inevitable. If a threat is inevitable, it is just a matter of time and, therefore, imminent.
2) Innocence - The mother did not undertake the pregnancy with the intent to abort the baby; mother expected a normal pregnancy without this particular complication. Therefore, the mother is innocent
3) Proportionality - the baby will kill the mother if there is no intervention, therefore the use of anything up to lethal force to prevent that is justified
4) Reasonableness - any reasonable person in the same position would come to the same conclusion. For the sake of this example, this one is assumed; ectopic pregnancies will kill if not dealt with.
This would seem to be a far more robust means for demonstrating the existence of the fundamental right in question than asserting that a prohibition on abortion prevents you from faithfully adhering to deeply held religious beliefs.
They are saying is that have a right to an abortion when THEIR RELIGION tells them their life is in danger, not when medical science or criteria that others outside their religion would accept says that.
That’s what makes their argument exclusively a religious one.
Actually the way that life being in danger is determined is Rabbi’s consult with medical professionals to determine whether or not religious law permits an action.
They can't challenge on those grounds, because there is no law that prohibits abortion in defense of the mother's life. Nor is anyone even proposing such a law. So there's nothing to challenge.
That's why they're going with abortion that they claim is needed for the mother's health, because that is the loophole in existing laws that has in practice destroyed abortion laws in all states. Women who want an abortion in states that prohibit it after viability merely need some doctor to claim a hypothetical effect on their health, and there are plenty of doctors who are willing to say so about all pregnancies, no matter how well they're going.
Theoretically speaking in certain states it would be very easy to challenge their laws because their laws require the danger to be imminent and makes no exception for mental health. I’m a Jewish woman. If for example I were to be diagnosed with cancer while pregnant and the most effective chemotherapy option would endanger the fetus and necessitate an abortion, even if there is a less effective option that is safe for the fetus pretty much any arbiter of Jewish law would still say that I am obligated to take the medication that is more effective because I am obligated to protect my own life before I’m obligated to protect the potential life.
Jewish law allows for many loopholes to get around rules, If I were very much so determined to carry that pregnancy to term I could simply avoid seeking a judgment from a qualified rabbi. That judgment is part of what makes it binding because it is very clearly decided what Jewish law says. Without having a judgment call it’s less clear what the law is.
Additionally regarding the mental health argument if for example I was a patient that had bipolar disorder and my symptoms were controlled extremely well on lithium but not so well on any other medications, due to the risk that lithium poses to a fetus a Rabbi could potentially tell me that it was necessary for me to abort because I could not safely stop the medication.
Jewish law is so complicated and quite hard to explain all of the nuances to people who aren’t Jewish.
"Judaism is not a centralized religion. There is no Jewish equivalent of a Pope. We often speak of "Orthodox," "Conservative," and "Reform" Jews, but even within these categories, there is no official or standardized set of teachings. Every Congregation, indeed, every Rabbi, may follow the teachings in different fashions."
So are Jews secret Southern Baptists, or are Southern Baptists secret Jews?
Both sound like a serious attempt to organize anarchists.
Unlike with Baptists, though, the debate about what the law is is itself part of the religion. When I, an atheist Jew. have a discussion with say a Chabad rabbi over some point of Jewish law. he will delight in the fact of the debate. According to Jewish tradition, the Divine Presence (the Shekhinah) is present during such discussions.
It sounds to me even more like an independent Christian congregation. Sometimes those kinds of congregations form an association together such as the SBC, but often they're just independent, free-standing groups of believers.
I realize progressives are running through the institutions, but surely there are some philosophers and medical professionals who have a remaining shred of decency, a few morals and a tad bit of a conscience left?
There is no constitutional or American basis for the "substantial burden" nonsense -- either government is empowered by the people to rule on a matter or the rights remain with the people.
It also does not surprise me that progressivism has Jews stanning for baby-killing -- I suspect they were front and center as cheerleaders for Moloch and playing the music the loudest and the children screamed in agony.
Solomon was indeed right -- nothing new under the sun.
So it’s OK for government to prohibit Indians from doing “heathen dances?” It can ban corcumcision? Kosher food? It can require Catholics to accept woman priests?
If the “free exercise” clause means you get to “exercise” your religion — not just say but do — then there has to be a test to determine when it applies.
> So it’s OK for government to prohibit Indians from doing “heathen dances?” It can ban corcumcision? Kosher food? It can require Catholics to accept woman priests?
One of these is not like the others...
If you were talking about the NRA Dave Kopel would accuse you of blood libel. Since you're talking about progressives and orthodox Jews his reaction may be different.
Choose reason. Every time.
Choose human rights, and the science of fetal development.
Reject child-sacrificing cults and ignorant medieval drivel about the fetus being some kind of lifeless homunculus.
Or at least try.
Choose reason, followed by some hard-core strawmanning.
Once again, my thesis that anyone who tries to invoke reason on the Internet is about to hit you with an unreasonably hot take.
Isn't there a serious standing issue here? The Congregation, and most of its members, are not going to become pregnant, and most of the rest are not pregnant now.
And even if you find a member that IS pregnant, who says she is facing serious medical complications from the pregnancy?
Apart from other issues, the argument strikes me as hypothethical and speculative.
There is indeed a standing problem. Facts demonstrating standing need to appear on the face of the complaint. The complaint in this case fails to aver that any member of the congregation is pregnant or intends to become pregnant.
Even if it did, the case wouldn't be ripe.
That'd be center-mass 'capable of repetition but avoiding review,' though.
That's an exception to mootness, not ripeness.
Derp. I figured I was missing something.
Their claim isn't limited to serious medical complications. They're claiming their religion requires abortion any time there is any medical issue, and there are enough doctors who are willing to certify that pregnancy itself is a medical issue, so any pregnant woman would be in better health were she to abort, and thus should be allowed to do so.
Of course this demonstrates their insincerity, because if they truly believed this they would ban pregnancy altogether, and expel from their religion (which has no connection to Judaism) anyone who fell pregnant and refused to terminate it.
This Twitter thread by Prof. Micah Schwartzman says everything that needs to be said about Blackman's vacuous position.
https://twitter.com/mjschwartzman/status/1539049951648436224
What a contrast.
Yup. Pretending that getting an abortion is a religious exercise? Practically the definition of bad faith. Pretending that someone who disregards lots of religious obligations suddenly takes one niche obligation very seriously? Ditto.
Having trouble understanding that people can disagree with you, eh?
I understand perfectly well that they disagree with me. It's just that the Twitter thread is hypocritical in that it claims to point out flaws in Blackman's argument but is premised on claims like abortion being some kind of religious sacrament, and on sincere religious beliefs being picked and chosen arbitrarily based on current exigencies.
No one is arguing abortion is a sacrament, or anything like that. I posted the entire thread below, and it's about issues with the argument Blackman is making, not about what you said.
Having trouble understanding the arguments of people on your side, eh?
Arguing that abortion is an exercise of religion is arguing that it's something like a sacrament.
How does Crowley's Law of Thelema (for example, expressed as "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law") fit into this argument?
Sacrament: a religious ceremony or ritual regarded as imparting divine grace, such as baptism, the Eucharist and (in the Roman Catholic and many Orthodox Churches) penance and the anointing of the sick.
Words mean things. Not every religious obligation is a sacrament. Your talking point sucks.
The thread doesn't say or even imply abortion is a sacrament. If you're interested in motivated reasoning you might look a little more carefully at Blackman's posts in general. He's been upfront in the past about his interpretive lens being geared towards achieving particular ends and about changing the lens if those ends are not forthcoming. He also focuses his analysis here very narrowly and doesn't apply the same questions to more conservative or orthodox congregations, as that would weaken his conclusion.
Could you possibly pack a little more ad hominem argument in there? There should be plenty of room available in all the places you didn't make a logic-based argument.
Hi Michael. I accurately stated Josh's position on constitutional interpretation. He's been upfront in the past that he's ends oriented, not means. That's fine. I don't think that's an ad hominem argument, because it's not directed at your idiosyncratic definition of sacrament. Josh didn't make any claims about abortion as a sacrament, although the idea that Christianity is centralized because of the Pope calls his understanding of Christianity into doubt. My disagreement in that post isn't with Josh - my own reasoning is sometimes results oriented - but with you claiming that Reform Jews believe abortion imparts God's grace.
It’s actually not a niche obligation. The principle of Pikuach Nefesh (The preservation of human life) comes above pretty much everything and because Judaism doesn’t view the fetus as being on equal status with the mother (The fetus is viewed as potential life until it is born) It is perfectly understandable that even somebody who isn’t stringent on other aspects of Jewish law would be stringent on one of the most important aspects (that being the preservation of human life). This obligation also allows for Jews to break pretty much every rule in Judaism ( It’s the reason the doctors are allowed to work on Shabat and the reason why if there is no other food and you will starve to death you are allowed to eat non-kosher food. It’s also the reason why we can take medication’s that use a pork gelatin capsules if there’s no other option.
This is a conservative trial balloon for rejecting religious exemptions for abortion by denying the sincerity of liberal Jews. But the core argument here is nothing less than an assault on the free exercise rights of liberal believers more generally.
The argument begins with the claim that free exercise rights are violated only when the state imposes a “substantial burden.” And that only happens when the state forces a believer to do something that conflicts with a religious
There is, in fact, no requirement in the doctrine that someone be religiously obligated in order to show a substantial burden — and there are numerous cases and plenty of statutory language that conflict with such a
See, eg, the definition of “religious exercise” under RLUIPA, which expressly rejects a requirement of compulsion or centrality
But setting aside that doctrinal point, which is no small matter, Blackman’s argument basically amounts to claiming: (1) liberal Jews have no religious obligations, and (2) so they are lying about having them in the abortion context.
Note that conservatives sometimes generalize (1) to other faiths, and Blackman does this by describing liberal believers as “less devout” and “less observant” — not only Jews now, but extending to anyone who isn’t “orthodox” or “observant” in his sense of those terms. The result is of these claims — that free exercise violations require a showing of religious obligation and that liberal believers don’t have such obligations — means that liberal believers are effectively prohibited from seeking religious exemptions.
No one should take seriously either claim (1) or (2) above. And as a legal matter, evaluating them, esp. (1), would require federal courts to make highly controversial theological determinations, again in contravention of existing doctrine (see eg
None of the argument above stands up, not the doctrinal claim and not the claims about Reform Judaism. But it will be interesting to see whether other conservative scholars/jurists are willing to go along with all this in order to resist exemptions in the abortion context.
I think I see how the Orthodox Jews are, at least in comparison with the other groups, going from strength to strength. While the Reform seem to be reforming themselves into irrelevancy.
Orthodox Jews could make exactly the same argument, and are likely to.
Irrelevant to whom?
The "ordeal of the bitter water" (Numbers 5:11 - 31) sounds like a prescription for abortion if the woman's child was not her husband's. The symptoms it produces sounds like a miscarriage.
But it's supposed to work even if she's not pregnant.
It's a reversal of trial by ordeal. Rather than subject the accused to a deadly ordeal and call on God to miraculously save her if she's innocent, the accused is forced to drink a bitter but completely harmless substance (water, soil, and ink), and God is expected to miraculously kill her if she's guilty. If He fails to do so, that is taken as proof of innocence.
(Relative innocence, that is. She's still guilty of having deliberately put herself in the situation. Her husband specifically warned her not to be alone with that man, and she knowingly went off with the same man for long enough and with enough privacy to have done the deed, and was careless enough to do so where at least two witnesses could see it. She didn't ought to have done that.)
The orthodox/reform bit brings out an interesting element of the question. Matters of religious practice aren't precisely commands, in the sense that laws are usually thought of as being. The whole concept is that the religion is identifying the will of God. So there is no human agency whose will creates the proscription, or who can decide the exception.
Nonetheless, the general rule seems to be that if the religion formally commands it, it's a legitimate exercise of religion. Sherbert had to do with someone who worshiped on the seventh day of the week, and who would lose out financially if they didn't work on that day. It was a command, yes, but the point was that doing so was an actual act of worship, rather than some standard that they had to comply with in order to be a bona fide member of that religion.
The obligation to preserve your own life and the lives of others isn't in itself an act of worship, except to the degree that it is done in observance of the obligation to do so. So the human agency that creates the command and decides the exception is the only factor that makes it a religious obligation, as opposed to just being generally a good idea. Pork, shellfish, or bitcoin mining on shabbas (talk about kindling a fire), on the other hand, are malum in se, and can't be dispensed or more effectively proscribed by the present leaders of the religion.
So perhaps the question isn't whether the religion commands it, but whether the religion is powerless not to command it. Whether it exists as a historical norm of the faith. Potentially entangling, yes, but to make lemonade, you need to break a few lemons. Otherwise, the rebbes, priests, and imams (after walking into the bar) could simply put any practice beyond the reach of the civil law.
Mr. D.
Come for the terrible (and offensive) takes about Judaism, stay for the terrible (and offensive) takes about Christianity.
The obligation to preserve...the lives of others isn't in itself an act of worship, except to the degree that it is done in observance of the obligation to do so.
It might constitute a Kiddush Ha'Shem which arguably is an act of worship. (I texted the Sages to find out whether they agree, but I've not heard back.)
Let’s walk through the classical argument.
There are two elements to the argument.
The first is a passage in the Talmud that gives the rule for what rules you can override to safe a life after giving an example. The example is a pregnant woman who craves pork on Yom Kippur. The passage says that not only can you give it to her, you should, because a pregnant woman who has pregnancy cravings’ life is in danger if her cravings aren’t satisfied. And it gives the general rule: if someone’s life is in danger, you can do anything except murder, idolatry, and the most severe sexual offenses (capital offenses).
The next piece is an argument that abortion, while forbidden, is considered something less than murder in Judaism., This argument comes from various passages, including that causing a miscarriage is punishable by a fine but, unlike murder, is not a capital offense.
So if you put the two pieces together, if a women has a pregnancy craving, and she craves an abortion, not only can you give it to her, you should. Under the argument, abortion is wrong, but it’s wrong like eating pork on Yom Kippur, not wrong like murder.
This argument is of course disputed. There are many interpreters who say the fetus’ life is part of the life the Talmud authors were concerned with in ordaining being especially solicitous of and lenient towards pregnant women. Among many other examples, Rabbi Jonathan Sacks, the late Chief Rabbi of the United Kingdom, completely rejected this argument and said that that in practice the Jewish position on abortion is almost identical to the Catholic one.
But not only is the argument a standard one in Orthodox Judaism, it’s the position taken by the current Israeli rabbinate, no liberal body, in how it deals with abortion cases in Israel.
Professor Blackman’s focusing on this particular lawsuit being brought by Reform people is basically a red herring. It will not make this issue go away even if courts were to accept Professor Blackman’s argument that Reform Jews are never sincere, which I very strongly doubt they would. Nor should they. Professor Blackman’s argument is essentially a secterian one, asking the courts to identify entire denominations as insincere because he finds doing so convenient for his purposes.
This argument comes from various passages, including that causing a miscarriage is punishable by a fine but, unlike murder, is not a capital offense.
To be more relevantly precise, it is punishable civilly by the payment of compensation to the husband of the woman who had a miscarriage.
In the Mishnah in the theoretical case of a pregnant woman who is sentenced to capital punishment, she may be executed - hence in all likelihood killing the fetus - until the greater part of the head has emerged.
Prof. Blackman’s support of religious liberty turns out to be similar to Prof. Volokh’s self-described libertarianism and support of free expression — conveniently, predictably, damningly congruent with increasingly radical right-wing political positions.
This is why the Federalist Society adores both of them, and the reason strong, mainstream, modern legal academia respects neither of them.
Orthodoxy has nothing to do with sincerity.
What an anti-free exercise thing to think.
Equivocation. What a Sarcastr0 thing to do.
Adherence to a particular religious group has quite a lot to do with which religious beliefs are sincerely held.
Judaism is not one singular religious group. Neither is Christianity.
As a Unitarian, I don't much like people telling me my faith is not sincere.
Would raise another issue.: the tol-much-accommodation line of cases.. The Supreme Court struck down a Connecticut law permitting Sabbath observers (and only Sabbath observers) to take their Sabbath off of work. The argument was that the law provided such a valuable benefit that it encouraged sabbath observance, effectively establishing it, thereby violating the Establishment clause.
It could be argued that being able to do something the state regards as a crime of violence also effectively establishes the relevent religions.
But I don’t think this argument is valid. The too-much-accommodation cases involved voluntary accommodation that the state didn’t have to do according to the Constitution, not accommodation compelled by the Free Exercise Clause itself. Conscientious objection, which lets one get out of fighting a war, is arguably not any less a benefit than this.
Reform Judaism is the last stop before becoming non-Jewish. I grew up in a Reform congregation. In 1959 it was the largest congregation in Columbus and built a large synagogue on the far east side of town. A few years ago, it sold that building and bought a small church close to an important suburb with a large Jewish population. The church was converted into a synagogue.
Reform, Reconstructionist, and Conservative congregations are dying out. On the Orthodox shuls are growing.
This kind of 'not real Jews' is the last stop before becoming antisemetic.
The Aztecs practiced human sacrifice as part of their religion. So OK?
Classifying religious duties as aspirational or mandatory is a dangerous task to give the courts.
Orthodox Jews tend to view halacha as binding.
No, Orthodox Jews, regardless of their level of actual observance, by definition do view halacha as binding. That's what makes them Orthodox. Someone who views halacha as optional is not Orthodox at all.
Since they do regard it as binding, they tend to actually obey it, at most times and in most circumstances. There are many who frequently violate it, just as there are many who violate the state's binding laws, but they acknowledge that they are committing an offense and that they shouldn't be.
But part of the issue is determining what the Halachah. is.
All orthodox (sic) Jews agree that eating pork is forbidden. They all agree that you don't eat dairy at a meat meal. They do not agree on how long one should wait. They do not agree about whether it is permissible to eat dairy at the same table as a stranger eating chicken. They do not agree about whether locusts are kosher.
If an orthodox Jew goes to a rabbi and asks him a question of law, he is bound by the responsa. But it is quite possible for another rabbi to rule in the other direction when asked by another orthodox Jew who is also thereby bound. Hence it is conceivable that two orthodox Jews are bound to contradicting observance. Only when a particular rabbi is regarded as eminent enough are his responsa taken is binding - and even then it would be theoretically possible for an orhodox Jew to reject the responsa, though psychologically it would be difficult.
Blackman's pathetic ignorance of Judaism would be hilarious if his opinion wasn't so disgusting. The law in question, requiring abortion to save the life of the mother, is one of the most important in Jewish belief, since it does not relate primarily to abortion, but to any action taken to safeguard a human life. This law supersedes virtually every other commandment. For instance, when Jews were forcibly converted on pain of execution in medieval Europe, they were required to break the laws of kashrut in order to conceal their identities as Jews, since life always trumps death, even a death that might be considered martyrdom. Likewise, if the life of the mother were at risk, abortion would be required. But, as I'll explain further, compulsion is not actually required for someone to claim religious exercise.
Blackman's understanding of free exercise of religion is flatly wrong. The definition of religious exercise under under RLUIPA, expressly rejects a requirement of compulsion or centrality: "In general The term “religious exercise” includes any exercise of religion, whether or not compelled by, or central to, a system of religious belief." (link here: https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=42-USC-925260317-277753276&term_occur=999&term_src=title:42:chapter:21C:section:2000cc%E2%80%935)
Though not every Jew obeys every commandment every time, this does not mean that their religious obligations and beliefs are not sincere, as Blackman disturbingly implies. Judaism and Christianity are different religions, and sin/wrongdoing means something different in each context. Christian understandings of sin and belief cannot be used as a benchmark with which to measure Jews. To argue otherwise in a legal context would actually deny Jews free exercise of their religion. So, since religious exercise is in fact about sincerity, not compulsion, Jews (and, indeed, Muslims) have the right to obtain abortions according to their religious beliefs.
Blackman heavily implies that the only reason Jews may seek an abortion is to save the life of the mother. This is false: Halakhah states that abortion is permitted in all cases up to 40 days gestation, since before that time, the fetus is considered "water", or other matter. Following that time, the fetus is not held to have a separate personhood or life from the mother, as the soul is only understood to enter the body when the infant takes its first breath outside the womb. (In many sects of Islam, abortion is freely permitted until 120 days, and like Judaism, abortion is not considered murder.) Thus, abortion is permitted not only to save the life of the mother, but for many other reasons, including grave, but not fatal, bodily harm, mental distress, or other personal reasons, to be decided in consultation with a rabbi.
If most Christians (or conservatives like Blackman) were intellectually honest, they would be forced to admit that the only substantial verse in scripture that specifically mentions an induced miscarriage (Ex. 21:22) refers to a pregnant woman injured in a fight, such that miscarriage ensues. The punishment in that case? A fine, to be paid to the father. It is only a specific harm to the woman that requires physical punishment of the perpetrator, up to and including "a life for a life" - here meaning the life of the pregnant woman, not the fetus.
Judaism and Islam have substantial bodies of writing that deal with the question of abortion in detail. Aquinas and Augustine both followed Aristotle in arguing that life does not begin at conception, but some later time during gestation (usually when the quickening), though there was substantial disagreement on this topic among Christian writers, some of whom did believe the soul was enshrined at conception. Regardless, the Catholic church's position on "unformed" vs. "formed" fetuses (based on Aristotle's distinction) did not change until 1869.
Ultimately, theological ideas around abortion are mixed and complex, even within Christianity. Outside of the context of religion, they are equally philosophical and deeply felt. Choosing to obtain an abortion constitutes a free exercise of religion, or a free exercise of personal will. (Why should religious obligations or beliefs permit abortions, but the lack of religious obligations prevent them?) Choosing not to obtain an abortion is equally an exercise of religion or personal liberty.
You misread Blackman. The question isn't what Judaism permits. Whether Judaism allows abortion in the first 40 days is irrelevant.
The restriction on religious freedom would be a function of what (a particular brand of so called) Judaism *mandates.*
There is no claim that Judaism mandates early term abortions.
The only claim about mandated abortions was about abortions for the mother's health.
Although this renders the rest of your comment moot, I'll note that Blackman's rough characterization of Reform Judaism in contradistinction to other forms of Judaism was broadly correct, contrary to your protestations.
(a particular brand of so called) Judaism
That's a tell.
Judaism does consider mental health to be part of health so one could argue that an unwanted pregnancy and the damage I can do to a person’s mental health could be sufficient justification for an abortion under Jewish law.
This question seems linked to the question of the religious rights of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
The question is, what is a religion. Like The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Reform Judaism is not strictly speaking theistic.
It may promote (but not mandate) some traditional Jewish cultural practices, but it does not mandate theism. It certainly does not recognize the binding nature of traditional Jewish texts.
Basically, it is a progressive mostly secular humanist movement, which allows some vaguely mystical versions of humanism, such as "recognizing God as the sublime inner spark within ourselves", but not recognizing an external deity.
It seems hard to meaningfully differentiate this from the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
I wonder whether Josh has thoughts on the religious rights of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti monsters.
The atheist Church has won some religious freedom cases in the US. E.g. https://www.cbsnews.com/minnesota/news/wis-man-can-wear-pasta-strainer-in-license-pic/.
Thanks,
Reginald
If the availability of religious exemptions from certain laws depends on the depth of belief and/or the religious consequences of defying religious law, then the court in each case will be forced both to evaluate what religious law requires (something that US courts are, for good reasons, unwilling to do) and to judge the sincerity of faith in that religious law (which is so subjective I would expect that the courts would subject plaintiffs to inquisition-like questioning and mockery, if the judge happens to disagree with the faith asserted or just doesn't like the plaintiff). I see no way for courts to do either and remain fair.
Therefore, always giving plaintiffs the benefit of the doubt about their own religious beliefs ought to be strictly required of courts.
Well, I am at least persuaded that abortion bans must fall to religious liberty if fetal welfare is prohibited as a rational basis for legislation.
Is it? I'm not convinced that Dobbs mandates that result, though perhaps it doesn't foreclose it.
I think you are tackling this argument at the wrong end.
How does this abortion law, which already has emergency exemptions built in, not comply with her religious claims? I believe that her argument is moot on its face because she is asking for allowances that are already present in the law.
The religious doctrine is a distraction from the simple answer.
I believe the argument is that her religion demands that the mother's health be given essentially infinite weight, so that even a de minimus threat to the mother's health requires that it be permitted.
Whereas the laws in question require a serious threat, not a nominal one.
I am shocked at the stunning display of ignorance this post contains.
Judaism does have a central authority, the Torah. It has a well developed commentary that discusses this authority, the Talmud (and additional sources) . The different branches of Judaism have different approaches to halacha, yes, but that doesn't mean that you can't point to several things that "Jews believe". One of the main points is the concept of "pikuah nefesh", the overriding requirement to save a life even when it breaks laws. There is also the concept of "din rodef", if you see someone chasing someone else and it looks like they'll kill them, you can intervene with deadly force to stop it.
Having an abortion to save the life of the mother fits both of those categories. In this hypothetical conversation, the Rabbi would encourage the woman to have an abortion. That doesn't mean the woman would, and that doesn't mean she would be shunned if she didn't, but she would be going against halacha.
As far as equating keeping kosher with following pikuah nefesh, does Josh also think it's hypocritical that someone would refrain from murder but be okay with jaywalking?
What fraction of abortions are medically required to save a life?
That's an interesting question. You should research it.
Regardless, Judaism permits abortion in much less stringent circumstances as well.
America's abortion crisis is entirely of its own making. Look at Israel, abortion is permitted (albeit with a committee's approval) and we have a growing population that encourages children. The idea that the government should be able to interfere in a medical decision is such an interesting view for "conservatives" to hold.
I’m actually living in Israel right now and technically private abortions are illegal but we’ve never actually enforced that law. If you go through the public system (with the committee) the abortion could potentially be covered through the public healthcare system.
"For those Jews who treat the rules of Kashrut as advisory or perhaps aspirational, and routinely eat non-Kosher foods, there probably is not a substantial burden on free exercise."
That is incorrect, in one sense. Or perhaps carefully restricted enough to be true, but to exclude many, many modern Jewish people.
As well as those who choose to ignore rules they accept they should follow, there are many who do not believe those are the rules, and that correct interpretation requires them not to follow the misguided interpretations.
The author states that religious exemptions should depend on how one practices their religion. He then posits that in Judaism, unless you follow Halacha with Orthodox precision, you cannot sincerely use your religion as justification for ending a pregnancy.
As a non-Orthodox Jew who has studied Torah and Talmud for over 35 years and whose life choices are infused with Jewish thought and values, I have to disagree. This man has no standing to determine the degree of sincerity behind the behavior of any Jew.
The author states that religious exemptions should depend on how one practices their religion. He then argues that in Judaism, unless you follow Halacha with Orthodox precision, you cannot sincerely claim religious adherence as justification for ending a pregnancy.
As a non-Orthodox Jew who has studied Torah and Talmud for over 35 years and whose life choices are infused with Jewish thought and values, I have to disagree. This man has no standing to determine the degree of sincerity behind the behavior of any Jew.
I think I know the answer, but would any of the sharp legal minds here like to comment on the following question?
If a 'right to privacy' protects abortion, couldn't it also invalidate requirements to reveal vaccination status or gun ownership?
So the more superstitious you are, the more likely you are to succeed in forcing other people to accept your superstition. Great plan.
It's amusing to see the anti-vaxxers claim that getting a shot, which the vast majority have done many times, is as risky and carries the same burden as pregnancy.
"It was amusing to see the 'my body, my choice' crowd turn on a dime when it came to forcing the vax on others."
Who has practiced, or even advocated, forcible administration of any vaccine? I would agree that that would violate the substantive due process right to bodily integrity under Rochin v. California, 342 U.S. 165 (1952), and its progeny.
OTOH, if there is no substantive due process right to bodily integrity (as one reading Justice Alito's draft opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization would reasonably conclude), then forcible administration of a vaccine by the government is hunky dory.
Of course, they never claimed that. So it's a nice strawman.
The government, of course, doesn't require anyone to become pregnant, so your analogy is awful.
If you think pregnancy is risky try getting physically chopped to pieces in the womb or having your skull cracked open and brains sucked out.
The Torah has is right. If you cause a miscarriage, you get fined, you pay damages.
Nicely said.
These are Democrats doing lawfare to reverse the laws of their legislature. They are hiding behind religion and phonies.
"Follow the Ten Commandments" isn't limited to mainline Protestantism, and there are a variety of interpretations of what that means given that for Christians the law is fulfilled in Jesus. Grace, the Spirit's guidance, and the rest will lead different Christians to different interpretations. At any rate, it's not a "requirement" for any denomination I am aware of. (I'm from an anabaptist/pietist tradition.)
So if a Protestant, or any Christian, covets his neighbor's wife, or does not honor his father and mother, or works on the Sabbath, he loses the right to claim that some law violates his religious freedom?
Abortion involves two bodies, not one.
Not according to Halachah - the fetus is viewed as a limb of the mother.
"experimental," "untried."
How many doses have been delivered over the past eighteen months or so?
Amazing, the crap you spew.
That's something of a strawman.
There were a number of requirements for vaccination related to keeping one's job, career, and in some cases, their children.
If you had abortion legal...but people would lose their job and career if they got one, and potentially their existing children, there's no doubt the pro-choice crowd would scream "my body my choice" and that it was an unfair burden on their choice.
If driving a bit longer to get an abortion counts as violation of bodily autonomy. I think threatening your livelihood unless you inject yourself with a foreign substance would count too.
Implicitly, they did.
Unlike the Talmud
They only do that last one under a full blood moon and wearing costumes.
Come for the ordinary fascism; stay for the Naziism.
I think you're eliding the difference between failing to follow a commandment, and rejecting the notion that it is a commandment. The first is merely sinning; the fact that one sins does not prove that the religious belief doesn't exist. It just means that the sinner is weak. The second, though, does mean that the belief doesn't exist. If I say, "the laws of kashrut are outdated and don't apply to me," I can't then claim that requiring me to eat pork infringes on my religious beliefs.
This differs from Hobby Lobby how?
"Implicitly" they claimed a specific argument. That just happens to be easy to argue against.
Right....
That's a fair point, but what if there is an excuse of a sort for claiming the commandment doesn't apply?
"My parents treated me badly, so the commandment doesn't apply to me."
"My wife doesn't enjoy sex, so the ban on adultery doesn't apply to me."
"I need to make more money, so I am free to work on the Sabbath - hey, time-and-a-half."
The government did at one time require women who were pregnant to either get an abortion or lose their government job, but Ruth Bader Ginsburg led the fight against that requirement prior to Roe.