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What are Georgetown Professors Forbidden to Say?
Under the reasoning of the Georgetown University Office of Institutional Diversity, Equity & Affirmative Action (IDEAA) report in the Ilya Shapiro matter, a wide range of public speech criticizing religions, political parties, veterans, etc. could be "prohibit[ed] harassment."
Ilya Shapiro, as many of you know, was suspended and investigated by the Georgetown law school—where he had been about to start a job as a lecturer and as executive director of the Georgetown Center for the Constitution—for tweeting the following about the Ketanji Brown Jackson nomination:
Objectively best pick for Biden is Sri Srinivasan, who is solid prog & v smart. Even has identity politics benefit of being first Asian (Indian) American. But alas doesn't fit into the latest intersectionality hierarchy so we'll get lesser black woman. Thank heaven for small favors?
Because Biden said he's only consider[ing] black women for SCOTUS, his nominee will always have an asterisk attached. Fitting that the Court takes up affirmative action next term.
Last week, the Georgetown dean announced that Shapiro wouldn't be disciplined for this Tweet, on the grounds that "As Mr. Shapiro posted the tweets on January 26, 2022, but his employment did not start until February 1, 2022, IDEAA and HR concluded that Mr. Shapiro was not a Georgetown employee at the time of his tweets." Shapiro then quit, saying he didn't want to work in such an environment.
But whatever you might think about what happened to Shapiro, this incident also produced a report from the IDEAA office that deals with all of Georgetown, not just the law school. (I've received a copy, on condition that I can quote it but can't post it.) And this tells us about much more than just the Shapiro incident: It gives us a good sense about what all Georgetown professors are, at least ostensibly, forbidden from saying. I'd like to use this post to explore that.
[1.] The "harassment" policy does ban public expression by professors. Here's the key paragraph (emphasis added):
As detailed in this report, Respondent's conduct had a significant negative impact on the Georgetown community. However, as the Respondent was a third party and not an employee at the time he posted the comments on Twitter, consistent with IDEAA's Grievance Procedures to Investigate Allegations of Discrimination and Harassment, IDEAA refers this matter to the Dean to consider and implement appropriate corrective measures to address the impact of the Respondent's objectively offensive comment. It is important to note that, given the Respondent's role in the Law Center, if he were to make another, similar or more serious remark as a Georgetown employee, a hostile environment based on race, gender, and sex likely would be created.
Or, elsewhere (emphasis added):
As the Respondent was a third party and not an employee at the time that he posted the comments on Twitter, IDEAA makes no determination as to whether his actions violate IDEAA policy. Instead, consistent with IDEAA's Grievance Procedures to Investigate Allegations of Discrimination and Harassment, IDEAA refers this matter to the Dean with a recommendation of appropriate corrective measures to address the impact of the Respondent's objectively offensive comments and to prevent the recurrence of offensive conduct based on race, gender, and sex.
Shapiro thus apparently avoided a finding that he had violated the harassment policy only because he hadn't yet started at Georgetown; and "Respondent's role" (which is what would make similar comments as an employee likely prohibited) would be shared by anyone who teaches classes or runs programs—the IDEAA report's rationale had to do with Shapiro's role as teacher and not just as a program administrator.
[2.] The policy bans expression of views in social media, op-eds, conferences, scholarship, and more. The restriction on professors' speech isn't limited to the classroom, or for that matter to the campus. It obviously extends to social media, and the same logic would apply to any other public speech that might be have "a significant negative impact" because students will hear about it and be upset by it (again, more on the specific details below).
That logic thus extends to scholarship and other professional work, as well as op-eds, radio and television appearances, and the like, and not just to quick sound bites on Twitter. And of course it extends to the viewpoint being expressed, and not just the particular words that are used to express it. Georgetown professors could thus be disciplined for "prohibit[ed]" "harass[ing]" viewpoints they express in their research, as well as of course in their public political commentary.
To quote the IDEAA report,
[T]he [Georgetown] Speech and Expression Policy clarifies that its provision of free speech is not unfettered. The Speech and Expression Policy cautions that "[t]he freedom to debate and discuss the merits of competing ideas does not mean that individuals may say whatever they wish, whenever they want." Instead, Georgetown prohibits speech and expression that "violates the University's Harassment Policy," among other exceptions.
[3.] The policy extends to any speech that expresses views that sufficiently offend "reasonable" students "in the impacted individual's position" based on their identity group membership. Here are some key paragraphs:
However, IDEAA has significant concerns about the Respondent's comments, particularly as they could have the effect of limiting Black women students' access to courses taught by the Respondent and undermine Georgetown Law's commitment to maintain inclusive learning and working environments. The Respondent's comments also may discourage Black women and their allies from seeking internships and employment at the Center….
Here, the actual impact of the Respondent's conduct has been profound. More than 1,000 students and student organizations signed a letter "to condemn his racist tweet" and to give voice to the "hurt felt today by the Black community, and in particular Black women." … [M]any faculty, staff, alumni, and prospective students expressed their outrage, concern, and hurt. The evidence establishes that the Respondent's conduct adversely affected the Law Center's environment.
[4.] The policy "prohibit[s]" similar speech that relates not just to race or sex, but also to "age, … disability, family responsibilities, gender identity and expression, genetic information, marital status, national origin and accent, personal appearance, political affiliation, pregnancy, … religion, … sexual orientation, source of income, veteran's status or other factors prohibited by federal and/or District of Columbia law."
Harassment is verbal or physical conduct that denigrates or shows hostility or aversion to an individual because of a Protected Category as specified above, when such conduct has the purpose or effect of: unreasonably interfering with an individual or third party's academic or work performance; creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive educational or work environment; or otherwise adversely affecting an individual or third party's academic or employment opportunities.
And from the IDEAA report, we know that even isolated expressions such as Shapiro's can qualify, at least so long as enough people convey that they are offended, and the administration views their reaction as reflecting "the perspective of a reasonable person in the impacted individual's position, considering all the circumstances."
[5.] And this can of course cover a wide range of expression about these topics. Consider some hypotheticals:
[a.] "The Republicans could have nominated a serious candidate, but instead they nominated an evangelical Christian, who adheres to a bigoted and irrational belief system." That would "denigrate[]" the person based in part on his religion, and "could have the effect of limiting [evangelical Christian] students' access to courses taught by the [professor] and undermine Georgetown Law's commitment to maintain inclusive learning and working environments," as well as "discourag[ing evangelical Christians] and their allies from seeking internships and employment at [programs the professor helps run]."
After all, the IDEAA report takes the view that the "lesser black woman" statement (which in context seems to me to have simply meant "lesser than Sri Srinivasan, and chosen because she is a black woman") could be read as an insult to black women generally:
His plain words not only explicitly identified the race, sex, and gender of a group of individuals (i.e., Black women) but also categorized Black women as "lesser."
Well, in the hypothetical, one can even more easily say that the professor's "plain words not only explicitly identified the [religion] of a group of individuals (i.e., evangelical Christians) but also categorized evangelical Christians as 'bigoted and irrational.'" That speech would thus be "prohibit[ed] harassment," at least so long as it creates enough of an outcry. (Certainly a reasonable evangelical Christian could view these words as denigrating and showing hostility.)
[b.] "[W]e have only one political party in this country, the Democrats. The other group is a combination of a cult and an insurrection-supporting crime syndicate." (This one isn't actually a hypothetical, but a Tweet from an actual Georgetown law professor.)
That would "denigrate[]" Republicans based on their "political affiliation" (which D.C. law and thus the Georgetown policy defines as meaning party affiliation). It could deter Republican students from taking the professor's classes, or seeking internships at programs the professor runs. The plain words categorize Republicans as cultists and criminals, or at least people who support cultists and criminals. They too would ostensibly be "prohibit[ed]" as "harassment," at least so long as they create enough of an outcry.
[c.] "'With the exception of traditionally black law schools, the median black law school grade point average has been at the 6.7th percentile of white law students,' at least based on 1990s data, and 'only 7.5% of blacks have grades that are higher than the white median.' Why is that, and what can we do about it?" That would be equally "prohibit[ed]," it seems to me (at least assuming it leads to enough of an outcry), and the Georgetown Sellers/Batson incident may offer some evidence about how Georgetown administrators might react to it. Indeed, to quote a professor with whom I corresponded about that incident, some at Georgetown think it's wrong for professors even to think this:
In my experience, it is factually incorrect to say [that the bottom of the Georgetown class contains a disproportionate number of black students]. It is also in my view wrong for faculty to be thinking—not just speaking—along those lines, because it will tend to create the very facts that it purports to describe.
[d.] "I believe in the Bible / Torah / Koran, and they tell me that homosexuality is a sin." That would be at least as harsh towards gays and lesbians as the "lesser black woman" statement was towards black women. Indeed, it would in my view be much more harsh, since the hypothetical statement about homosexuality does condemn all gays (and likely lesbians, though that might be more complicated); Shapiro's statement, I think, didn't deride all black women (and derided one just as being lesser than the best candidate).
[e.] "Judge Johnson got his position because he is an unfairly privileged white male." This too denigrates and shows hostility to the judge—and, following the IDEAA's analysis, to the group to which he belongs—by condemning a particular demographic's accomplishments as being the result of unfair privilege. (Some might argue that this is an accurate condemnation, but the harassment policy and the IDEAA's logic don't turn on whether the assertions are accurate.)
[f.] "I don't approve of all this respect we show for veterans (at least of the post-draft era), who willingly involved themselves in the military's killing machine." This expressly denigrates and shows hostility based on "veteran's status," one of the categories forbidden by the Georgetown harassment policy.
[g.] "Trust fund babies; they're the worst. Whenever I hear of them, I think of all their unearned privilege, and how they're taking up spots at universities that could be used by the poor and the hard-working." That expressly denigrates and shows hostility based on "source of income," another forbidden category; and it could lead such people to worry that they're going to be graded unfairly, and treated unfairly in applications for jobs, internships, and the like.
[h.] "Israelis are complicit in their government's crimes against Palestinians." This expressly denigrates and shows hostility to Israelis, and it seems to me quite plausible that "a reasonable person" of Israeli extraction (for instance, one who was born there, or whose parents were born there) would view this as also showing hostility based on "national origin" to people like him or to those to whom he is an "all[y]."
[i.] "Hate killings and unjustified killings by police, bad as they are, are a much smaller problem for the black community than are black-on-black murders." Now I don't think this shows denigrates or shows hostility based on race; and I think it's likely an accurate statement that is an important element in thinking about how to save black lives (and see this recent study).
But if you were a professor at Georgetown, would you feel sure that the IDEAA wouldn't interpret this statement as covered by the harassment policy—especially if the statement yields massive protests at which "many faculty, staff, alumni, and prospective students expressed their outrage, concern, and hurt," which the IDEAA could view as "establish[ing] that [such a statement] adversely affected the [university] environment"?
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The list could go on. It doesn't matter whether you care about Ilya Shapiro's career. The important thing here, I think, is just how much speech is now in peril, going forward, for Georgetown professors generally (especially ones who lack tenure, but even the tenured ones).
(To be sure, one might speculate that Georgetown wouldn't actually read the policy as covering some of these examples, such as the ones about the "unfairly privileged white male," or veterans, or trust fund babies, or Israelis, or evangelical Christians. But that's not consistent, I think, with the policy, as interpreted using the logic of the IDEAA report. And if such speculation is accurate, it seems to me it would make the situation at Georgetown worse, not better.)
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Anything the clerisy says is wrongthink must never be spoken.
What that is? Who knows?
"a hostile environment based on race, gender, and sex likely would be created."
Is criticizing the vile, scumbag, toxic lawyer profession permissible? Woke Georgetown needs to be shut down. Is criticizing Georgetown permissible? Zero tolerance for woke. Now Queenie, you will defend Georgetown because you are woke. You will say, Georgetown wants you to be nice. Of course, that is a really nasty requirement, and Georgetown should be shut down. It should be defunded, then its assets should be seized in civil forfeiture for its tax fraud. It promised education to the IRS. It delivered indoctrination. Zero tolerance for tax fraud.
Hey, gun grabbers. You have to answer for this. Nigeria has very strict gun control laws. Eugene has silenced my suggestion for a remedy. I am muzzled here. The remedy is self evident, and need not be stated out loud.
https://www.westernjournal.com/gun-control-costs-lives-dozens-butchered-church-guns-completely-outlawed/?utm_source=Email&utm_medium=CTBreaking&utm_campaign=breaking&utm_content=conservative-tribune&ats_es=731571b3134386edfd354e86a103b590
Allowing complaints to be based on the entirely subjective standard of whether someone is offended in a broad array of categories is an impossibly standard. Sure, you might be able to win after a long legal struggle, but just like Dave Wiegel of the Washington Post, or the Masterpiece Cake Shop baker, if your adversaries come at you repeatedly, eventually they will wear you down. This leaves little room for good faith criticism and will have a chilling effect. The opposite of free speech (even as the First Amendment is not at play).
I was triggered by the Georgetown harassment policy. It flashbacked the trauma of Eugene's demands and threats. Denial is ubiquitous.
A hostile work environment under federal law generally applies both a subjective standard and objective standard. The latter standard applies a reasonable person standard in which the alleged hostile environment is viewed in the context of the particular work environment.
Is the reasonable person of standard fame a fictitious character? Is he really an avatar for Jesus? Either way, fictitious or Jesus, that is unlawful in our secular nation.
It's — what's the polar opposite of ironic? — that you can't grasp the concept of a reasonable person.
But the policy does no such thing. Although the report isn't public, the policy is, and Eugene quoted it quite selectively.
It explicitly caveats enforcement in several ways, most pertinently:
"The injured party’s perception of the offensiveness of the alleged conduct, standing alone, is not sufficient by itself to constitute harassment."
"Simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not severe or pervasive do not create a hostile or offensive environment."
https://facultyhandbook.georgetown.edu/section4/f/
Lots of irrelevant info about rules here. It’s who you are that matters. There are a sufficient quantity of rules to apply them whenever the wrong kind of people need to be destroyed.
Congrats on your persecution complex.
Sarc. Congrats on your denial.
Congrats on ignoring the persecution. Georgetown already has a record of this sort of thing.
Yep
Georgetown can do something bad without it being the conscious political persecution Ben posits (without support, might I add).
Just because you want it to be true, just because you feel it to be true, doesn't mean it's true.
But you've shown in the past that these things are more than enough for you to become certain, if it makes you mad at liberals.
We're not "mad at liberals". We're mad at systematic discrimination
No. Because I think there is systemic discrimination. A largely liberal and insular culture will do that.
I do not think there is intentional, widespread, targeted discrimination. Nor do I think it's the road to Communism. Which is what most everyone here is saying.
But in fact, it is worse than that. Those people with conservative, or even moderate views, are actively discriminated against in the hiring process. In fact, hiring committees for professorships have often said as much.
Your paranoia citing 'often' still puts you well above those calling this Maoism. But you're still just writing persecution stories because you're into this.
Did you read Mr. Shapiro's resignation letter? Did you see his examples of things he thinks he can't say? Do you think he's being paranoid? (I sure don't.)
It's more the examples he provided of things others a Georgetown have said and not been investigated for.
He should have stayed, said those hypothetical things, and seen what happened.
As it stands, he wasn't disciplined in any way, but threw a big persecution complex anyway, for show. It's really hard to claim persecution when there is no persecution.
Look, I don't mean to be defending Georgetown here, they've clearly got problems. But whenever the left says "oh, you're persecuting me with your hate speech", instead of calling the bluff, the right is all too happy to respond with "oh, no, you're persecuting me with your condemnation speech!" It's so stupid on both sides, I have no more patience for crybabies and their performative grievances. That's you Ed, and Shapiro, and Benp, and also the Georgetown whiners.
Sarcastr0, are you really saying that the GU stuff is just partisan BS? Is there a problem at GU, in your estimation?
I think there is plenty of middle ground between
1) Georgetown acted very badly, and
2) the breathless 'speech is in peril' crisis call of the OP
I would agree with that = plenty of middle ground between.
So, in light of the letter from Professor Shapiro, is there a broader problem beyond GU wrt free speech? Meaning, is there a problem with targeting people (regardless of political persuasion) for what they think, and then say?
There is a broad problem with respect to free speech in America.
The Volokh Conspiracy and its fans obsess over the lesser part of it, disregarding important elements of censorship in America. With a predictable, paltry, partisan -- and vividly hypocritical -- dividing line.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Shapiro hit the clinger jackpot.
I don't know. He's one guy, and there was a social media firestorm. Worth watching, not worth knee-jerk generalizing about.
There have been lots of other social media firestorms about tweets and statement others have made, and the resulting firings and such.
Ohhh, lots. Well why didn't you say there was more than one anecdote! That's totally worth generalizing about!
You're damned by your own low standards of proof.
If you want to ignore facts, go ahead. Seems like you're going to do it anyway.
You want to appeal to outrage, go ahead.
Meaning, is there a problem with targeting people (regardless of political persuasion) for what they think, and then say?
How else would a critic of what they say proceed?
Also? Given a person charged with cherishing a particular group of people (Georgetown University students), speaking in a way which makes them feel disrespected or unwelcome, or someone else without that duty saying it? Does it matter whether that judgment is being made by officials responsible for Georgetown University, or by a newspaper editorialist, or by a judge in a court, or by some folks in a bar?
"Meaning, is there a problem with targeting people (regardless of political persuasion) for what they think, and then say?"
Target them with what, criticism? Of course there's not a problem with that. It's hilarious to me that deep down, the right's basic grievance is that the left doesn't like them. This, after making "own-the-libs" the core plank of their political platform.
Target them with vague, unenforceable threats? It's not wonderful, but not really a problem for an adult to handle. Power-plays are a common maneuver in the real world, especially in Shapiro's line of work. He should be able to navigate that sort of thing just fine.
Target them with required trainings and conversations? I mean, how afraid could you be, really, of trainings and conversations? All jobs have mandatory trainings and conversations. If one really, actually, non-performatively bothers your principles, boycott it, say why, and see what happens. If you get materially retaliated against at that point, talk to me then.
Target them = retaliation, or lawfare (this is what I had in mind when I wrote my post). You make fair points about the nature of targeting.
That middle ground is filled with other recent examples: UNC Wilmington, Syracuse University, CUNY, UC Hastings, Yale, the list goes on.
You have established confirmation bias, not a pattern.
But lets say you did establish a pattern. Even that does not prove intentional discrimination, which is what many here are excitedly positing.
We can see quite well where the bias is. How many times have conservatives shouted down, violently disrupted, or gotten fired a left-of-center speaker? At what point does the direction of higher education's totalitarian lean become obvious to you?
Switching to student behavior - anecdotes still - to show something general about university faculty now?
You're *very clearly* pushing a narrative at this point. Facts bedamned, you want to believe.
Is it a persecution complex when you can clearly document the double standard?
I mean, read Ben's crazy post.
Disparate impact, even in implementation, does not indicate a secret agenda by totalitarians to persecute anyone.
It’s not secret to anyone but you.
Whatever dude.
Go live in fear and loathing of those totalitarians who are totally coming for you.
Yeah, because that sort of behavior has been soooo rare in history.
Which of course proves nothing about this moment, except about your own weird yearning to be victimized.
Ben_, the problem with your reasoning is, "that sort of behavior," is common in history, except in comparison with other sorts of behavior, which are many times more common. So, "that sort of behavior," is common in history only within the view of those who have lost sight of what constitutes commonplace behavior.
I know a very good therapist who specializes in cognitive therapy to intervene and reverse the pathological tendencies your habit of though implies. They can become serious if left unchecked.
"Disparate impact, even in implementation, does not indicate a secret agenda by totalitarians to persecute anyone."
So, basically your position is, you're not going to believe it's deliberate until they issue a press release reading, "Bwah ha ha! We have a secret agenda to persecute our political enemies. And it's totalitarian, too!"
Mere evidence that they're doing it, absent a confession, means nothing.
Proof by ‘it happened before in history’ is you wishcasting, because it sure isn’t proof.
Look, we've got proof it's happening NOW. It's recounted in the OP and Shapiro's letter.
Maoism is recounted in Shapiro's letter?!
No, it's not. You have a win here, no doubt about it.
But you cannot resist overplaying your hand to a ridiculous melodramatic extent.
Why is this a "win" in any way?
Because Georgetown acted indefensibly and then doubled down. And you lot *love* it when a school acts shamefully.
No, we don't "love" it. It has both short term and long lasting detrimental consequences.
The conservatives here, you included, are pretty stoked to have something to attach to your narrative and get outraged about.
Evidence of conservative victimhood!
Sarcastro,
That is incorrect. Just as it would be incorrect to say that liberals are "stoked" about school shootings because it gives them a narrative to get outraged about.
But perhaps I'm wrong. Are you "stoked" about school shootings? Is that how you feel when a bunch of kids get gunned down? Does it excite you, so you have a narrative to get outraged about, and demand guns be taken away?
AL - this you?
I don't think Democrats actually want a solution though. They'd rather use this issue as a stick to beat the GOP with than have actual solutions.
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/05/26/thursday-open-thread-84/?comments=true#comment-9514160
Beyond your absolute hypocricy, no one is really crying for Shapiro, including Shapiro.
For you of all people to say that you speak more in sadness than anger is amazing. Dude, you seek out clearly bullshit stories if they serve to make you angrier at the left.
So, in keeping with my new Sarcastro philosophy, when he refuses to answer a direct question with an easy answer, the answer is generally yes.
So, yes, you do appear to be stoked by school shootings. That's kinda sick
I whole-heartedly agree that this policy will not be applied uniformly. And its administration will likely lack transparency (confidentially to protect the sensitivities of the offended) to make that obvious.
It's not being paranoid when people are out to get you. We are seeing this all around us with the selectivity of the cancel culture. Professor Shapiro's passing comment which put him through the star chamber procedure is proof enough of that.
it's getting tougher out there in modern America for the poorly educated racists, the superstitious gay-bashers, the selfish xenophobes, the obsolete misogynists, and other disaffected right-wingers.
Good.
Clingers get to whine about it as much as they like, of course, and the Volokh Conspiracy is welcome to continuing nipping at ankles and heels with partisan, highly selective, misleading, hypocritical blog content.
Hi, Rev. How is it in modern America for the lawyer ass kickers?
I have no idea what any of that means, beyond gleaning that you like it when people with the wrong views are punished for them. Just like the people you hate, except you're of course correct in your beliefs. You're a great American!
Do you really believe mainstream Americans are interesting in pointers from right-wingers concerning censorship, fairness, the reality-based world, bigotry, norms, reasonable conduct, and the consequences of bad conduct these days?
Got it, you do enjoy seeing people punished for their wrong views. You're the fairest person I know, the authority for reasonable conduct and norms, as your posts here demonstrate.
Don't like consequences for "wrong views?" What are you doing here?
What do you figure the over-under is with respect to how often this "often libertarian," "libertarinish," and ostensible 'champion for free speech' blog has censored me for making fun of conservatives, criticizing conservatives, etc.?
Exactly, you want to see other people punished for their wrong views. Yet you are offended when you are the one being punished if others think your views are wrong. If that bothers you, why are YOU here?
How are you any different than the "often libertarian" blog you continue to criticize yet frequent? Besides thinking you are correct and others are not. Perhaps you should just go away.
Totalitarians always (eventually) have as many rules as they need. If they want to destroy you and it’s taking too long, they simply make new rules.
They exempt their side: they may make unlimited attacks in the hopes that you’ll do or say anything in your defense. Once you do, they’ve got you for "rule violations" for defending yourself and you can’t mount a defense against that charge without "violating" more "rules".
If you’re perfectly restrained in the face of unlimited attacks, they just keep escalating. You eventually lose either way.
The specifics of "the rules" don’t matter at all. They fooled you into thinking they do. They’re laughing at you.
source:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/15/so-sue-me-if-only-we-could/
Bernstein plays along with them though.
With all this concerted persecution across so many sectors, it's amazing any conservatives exist at all, then!
Even more amazing are the liberals who aren't totalitarians. I suppose we're all lying though.
You just cheer totalitarianism from the sidelines
You just feel the truth of totalitarianism everywhere liberals exist. And that's all you need.
"it's amazing any conservatives exist at all, then!"
In academia, they more or less don't.
Generally speaking, do you think it is a good thing for society's institutions to have the same diversity as society at large?
This Conspiracy is a counterexample to that. So is the Austrian school, etc. etc. I know you said more or less, but I think that's overstating things.
I have in the past advocated for affirmative action for conservative voices in academia, and I continue to think so.
But that doesn't mean Ben_'s persecution complex is legit in any way.
He's exaggerating a little, but only a little. It's worst in the North East.
See this study by the National Association of Scholars: Partisan Registration and Contributions of Faculty in Flagship Colleges
It depends on discipline and region; The STEM majors still have "only" single digit ratios of Democrats to Republicans, the 'soft' disciplines range from 11 to the 40's. That's nationally, of course; The Northeastern universities are much more extreme, and often have faculty with no identifiable Republicans in a lot of the disciplines.
And that's just affiliation. When you look at dollar amounts of political donations, there's a 95-1 ratio in favor of Democrats.
As I've related before, things looked a lot more balanced even 30 years ago. As near as I can tell, a lot of these institutions simply stopped hiring conservatives at all in the late 90's, and the existing conservatives in their faculties have been aging out ever since.
I really think what happened is that these universities were mildly dominated by the left since the 1960's, but the left were somewhat tolerant, regarding their conservative colleagues as harmless eccentrics.
Then the '94 election happened, and they realized conservatives could actually end up in power, and they started viewing conservatives as dangerous, not just quaint. And the purge by attrition began.
It’s an early warning.
The dog only bit one person, and he was super excited at the time. Sure your kids can play with him, Sarcastr0 might be heard to say.
More Sarcastr0 style: Yeah it’s raining hard. But I’m sure we’ll be safe camping near the river banks here. Why are you afraid of raindrops, lol?
Strong schools have faculties with relatively few strident movement conservatives. They are operated, in general, by and for the liberal-libertarian mainstream, rejecting the preferences of movement conservatives.
Schools controlled by conservatives tend to be authoritarian, low-ranked, poorly run, low-quality institutions with downscale students, shambling (but conservative) faculties, unaccomplished alumni, and shambling reputations.
These conditions will continue because the marketplace of ideas properly sifts the relevant issues.
A marketplace of ideas only functions when ideas can be freely exchanged without fear of threat or intimidation. Well, some ideas anyway.
Which ideas have no means to reach willing audiences in America?
Yes, if liberals were all one dog, you'd be right.
But in reality you're just manic for persecution and will blow up any (legitimately bad) example into a general campaign against you and your ideology.
Are you similarly concerned about the lack of environmentalists on oil companies' corporate boards? About the dearth of union-side labor lawyers in Amazon's general counsel's office?
Conservatives have spent decades demonizing higher education - why exactly are they entitled to representative balance in hiring?
You've got the cause and effect backwards, Auntie. Conservatives turned hostile to Academia in reaction to Academia becoming hostile to them.
Academia seems hostile the conservatives because conservatives choose superstition over reason, backwardness over progress, dogma over science, insularity over modernity, bigotry over inclusiveness, and ignorance over education.
That is conservatives' problem, not the academy's.
That's right, they deserve everything that's happening to them!
So the conservatives "deserve" it? Hmm.
It's funny how much racist logic comes out of RAK's mouth.
This is such a weird statement. Since when are beliefs and opinions exempt from criticism and ridicule? Beliefs and opinions exist to be criticized and ridiculed.
If I say "I think the police should break the fingers of suspected shoplifters" then I should not get hired as a police officer. There's no right to believe and say whatever you want and expect everyone else to simply ignore it. Beliefs have consequences. There are limits on those consequences, both legal and moral, but it's never been the case that beliefs have no consequences, in theory nor in practice.
Similarly, if I say "I don't believe the science on climate change" then I shouldn't expect to get hired by an institution that's all about facts and learning.
Lots of universities have free-speech codes to protect the people that they do hire from undue influence. That's clearly a good thing, and Georgetown is clearly attempting to unduly influence Shapiro anyway. So shame on them. But a free-speech code in no way implies some sort of political-affiliation diversity pledge in hiring.
If you want to get hired by a prestigious university, try having something to offer that meaningfully advances human knowledge. Science-denials and voter-fraud conspiracy theories aren't going to cut the mustard with academia.
Wow. Let's explain what you're doing here Randal,
You're taking a group of people, who you presumably aren't part of, and characterizing the entire group by the perceived statements of a few members of that group. Then you're using that characterization to judge the entire group and discriminate against them, even if it's not necessarily relevant to the position, without judging the individuals on what they actually say.
So, for conservatives, you declare "I don't believe the science on climate change" as a a statement they would make. While most wouldn't make that statement (especially without any nuance), you use it as justification to discriminate against all of them, in a broad variety of fields...not just climate change. Again, characterizing the entire group by the perceived statements of a few to justify discrimination against a much broader field.
Let's examine how that's been used in the past with other groups. "Jews just believe in making money, they don't care about people". We can't hire them in a position that takes care of people. Some few Jews did just care about making money. Most did not. But the statement is used as a characterization of a belief to justify discrimination against the broader group. And they "deserve" to be discriminated against.
Let's take another statement. "Gays are moral deviants who sexually abuse younger boys. We can't possibly hire gays to teach our children". Some very few gays are pedophiles. Most are not. But, again, characterizing the entire group by the perceived characteristics of a few. Not looking at individuals critically, or any actual nuance. And using it to discriminate against the entire group, because they "deserve" it.
It's near textbook logic to used to discriminate against people. And discriminating against them based on their beliefs (or perceived beliefs) is what is used.
I did exactly none of those things.
I didn't even define or mention a "group of people." You did that in your mind with your tribalism and victimization narrative.
At this point, every one of your factual posits have been roundly shot down, so you're reduced to rants spinning out these unsupported rants.
You want to believe, AL. You feel this persecution is a thing very strongly. But that's all you got at this point.
Let's not ignore the fact that he managed to sneak a bunch of negative stereotypes about gays and Jews in through the back door while he was at it.
I highly doubt that's true (if it is even knowable). Academia has long been an easy target for the right ("effete, egg-headed, anti-American intellectuals" and the like). Are we to believe that the GOP pols selling these tropes, and the voters buying them, were treated with hostility by the academy?
Regardless, what is it about academia that entitles conservatives to a hiring quota? Any other institutions that should be forced to hire people hostile to their missions?
Why assume conservatives are hostile to teaching America's young and students?
Higher education and public education are among the many many institutions conservatives have decided are bad.
Incorrect, but continued strawmen will do that.
One of the great failures of "liberals" is that they don't accurately assess what conservatives think or believe. That's scientifically demonstrated. The reverse isn't true.
The right is super into public schools and universities?
You just say things sometimes, don't you.
And then you take a statistical differential and say it's 'scientifically' true about 'liberals.' Apparently just liberals generally.
That's not how studies work, you ignoramus.
Well, Sarcastro...here's the GOP platform.
GOP Platform: “We applaud America’s great teachers, who should be protected against frivolous lawsuits and should be able to take reasonable actions to maintain discipline and order in the classroom. Administrators need flexibility to hold accountable all those responsible for student performance. . . . We urge school districts to make use of teaching talent in the business community, STEM fields, and the military, especially among our returning veterans. Rigid tenure systems should be replaced with a merit-based approach in order to attract the best talent to the classroom.”
GOP Platform: “We support options for learning, including home-schooling, career and technical education, private or parochial schools, magnet schools, charters, schools, online learning, and early-college high schools. We especially support the innovative financing mechanisms that make options available to all children: education savings accounts (ESAs), vouchers, and tuition tax credits.”
LOL the GOP platform. You mean the one they haven't updated in years because it's Trump not policies now?
I can't believe even you are buying what you're saying.
No need to assume. Just read this thread, listen to conservative media sources, listen to conservative politicians, etc.
When was the last time liberals demanded lists of books be banned in public schools? There hasn't been a year of my moderately long life where conservatives weren't trying to get some list of content banned from public schools. Don't Say Gay? Pretending any subjectmatter related to race is "CRT" and banning it? This is antithetical to learning and open inquiry.
Liberals occasionally go too far in trying to protect students, granted, but they aren't tossing books into bonfires while bleating about free speech and victimhood.
"When was the last time liberals demanded lists of books be banned in public schools"
2019-2020, when liberals in the New Jersey Legislature tried to ban Huckleberry Finn. There may be a later one.
Is it better if they want to stop them from being sold altogether?
https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-employees-protest-transphobic-books-2022-6
" Why assume conservatives are hostile to teaching America's young and students? "
Because they prefer superstition to reason, dogma to science, bigotry and insularity to tolerance and inclusiveness, illusory good old days to modernity and the reality-based world, etc. etc. etc.
Any strong, reasoning, modern educational system is going to be disliked by those who cling to ugly, obsolete, nonsense-based thinking.
It is clear the policy only applies to badthink. So most of the examples are moot. This is true because of the inclinations of the administration enforcing the rules. And it is true because the howling mob wouldn't come after things that technically violate the rules but are deemed adequately woke.
Right. I postulate that this is exactly what the policy was intended to accomplish.
If you don't like what's happening at Georgetown (and a lot of other places), don't institute / get rid of similar policies.
Is this really new?
Subcultural taboos are a thing, and never really as formal as a written-down code.
Academic subculture being insular and infighty enough to include sanction for stepping outside their (unclear) bounds has also been a thing.
School admins being dumbasses at times based on their school's internal politics has also happened since time immemorial.
I don't think there's a new precedent here. I guess what's new was the social media frenzy?
Obv. Not endorsing this; Georgetown screwed up and then doubled down on their screwup. But the concern is less about Georgetown's actions and more that this is a new norm. I see no sign that this is more than an excursion from an existing norm, as happens from time to time.
Mock Georgetown all you want; but doomsaying about this slippery slope doesn't seem right to me.
Georgetown needs to be defunded, shut down. Its assets need to be seized in civil forfeiture for tax fraud.
You're suggesting the government seize Catholic church property? I mean, sure, Jesuit schools tend to be liberal, but there are far more conservative Christian schools out there like University of San Diego and Liberty U which enforce morality clauses on their employees. USD even once un-invited a guest lecturer for having made a prior comment in favor of LGBT rights. If the government can shut down a private, religious institution under these conditions, the core set of conservative schools would disappear overnight. Are you sure you want the government to take such a authoritarian step? This isn't Russia...
This May be asking to much of you, but: Don't be such a fucking moron.
It's not precisely new, but the last time that people went big on using federal law (Titles VII and IX) to persecute academic wrongthink was the McCarthy era. Do you really want to side with the people treating Shapiro's tweet like spying for communists (except that these people probably think spying for communists would have been a good and brave deed)?
I don't think this looks so much like the McCarthy era, as it does Mao's Cultural Revolution. I don't recall the McCarthy era involving speakers being physically attacked by students.
It's both, simultaneously. You have formal anti-wrongthink rules from above, coupled with mob (sorry, "activist") violence from below. The administrators who issue the rules and the "woke" students work in tandem to eliminate wrongthink. Wrongthinkers don't stand a chance.
Call me when we have actual struggle sessions.
This Shaprio thing is an anecdote; it sucks and pushback is warranted.
Yeah, I know you think there's a concerted effort to persecute conservatives in academia, Brett. Because academia has more averred Democrats now alluva sudden.
But that's just you being your usual telepathic paranoia self.
Sorry, can't call you when they begin, I don't have a time machine. What do you think mandatory "anti-racism" sessions are, anyway?
...Do you have any idea what the struggle sessions actually were?
Because you don't seem to understand what they entailed. Because you're making a pretty offensive comparison. Like if you called this the Holocaust of academic heterodoxy.
To be clear, I think we're looking at the beginning of a cultural revolution. It hasn't progressed far yet, but the similarities are pretty obvious: Compelled self-denunciation, physical attacks on dissenting speakers.
No the similarities are not pretty obvious.
I don't think you know a lot about the history of Chinese Communism, but would like a new partisan cudgel to play with.
We actually DO have both compelled self-denunciation and physical attacks, Sarcastr0. They just haven't progressed that far yet.
We didn't have either even a few years ago, so your confidence it's not going to get worse seems unwarranted.
"No the similarities are not pretty obvious. "
Its already beginning.
During the BLM protests in 2020, there were multiple examples of protestors going up to diners and making them indicate their support.
"Aug 25, 2020 — In a scene played out several times in D.C. on Monday, a Black Lives Matter protest that began in Columbia Heights targeted White diners ..."
WAPO [paywall]
You are just on the "Red Guard" 's side.
The crowd of protesters confronted a woman seated at a table outside a restaurant on 18th Street NW in Adams Morgan and demanded that she raise her fist in a show of solidarity.
This sucks, but it's not Maoism, you melodramatic twit.
They were literally demanding a communist salute of her, you twit.
Are you unfamiliar with black power symbolism?
"Are you unfamiliar with black power symbolism?"
It's the 'demanding a salute' that's the problem, whether it's putting your hand over your heart for the National Anthem, a Black Power Salute, a Nazi salute, or Spock's whatever you call it.
Ditto for the video from a couple years ago of BLM types going into a college library and making the kids stand up and sing 'We Shall Overcome' (or whatever song it was).
I have read Dikotter's history of the Chinese Revolution, and they haven't killed anyone at one of these 'Struggle Sessions' yet, but they didn't kill people at a lot of the Chinese ones either.
And I've read Shirer, and seen the newsreel footage, of brownshirts forcing people to give the Nazi salute. It's not OK to go even a little bit down that path. It should be an anathema in a free country.
Agreed - this sucks, as I said. I will not defend this behavior.
I will say it's not low-key Maoism, and that kind of red-baiting is silly.
Right now we're in the 'US has police violence. So do Communist states. If you don't call police violence communist, you must be defending it!'
It's not a very good argument, but it is good at getting people angry at anyone who takes issue with it.
The original Chinese adaptations of the struggle sessions were more mild and limited than they later became. Then they were focused mostly on land owners. Then they really came unleashed. It was an accumulation of decades of change, not a sudden switch in behavior.
We have seen that kind of progression starting in leftist mob actions, spurred on by reports like this.
Which makes this basically Maoism? No, it does not.
The right regularly turns nothings into a big scandal (Tan suit, Dijon Mustard), and when they have something...well, then they go with the nonsense apocalyptic redbaiting.
S_0, you can call a mountain whatever you wish, but it will never actually be a molehill.
This kind of totalitarianism looks just like a dozen previous cases, from being spurred on by self-identified Marxists to exploiting students for the dirty work.
Yeah, just go straight to toalitarianism and Marxism. Sure to make people take you seriously!
I'm not the one who went totalitarian. The report at the crux of this blog post did, by claiming that even a single, poorly-worded statement anywhere can break the law and thus should be banned under university policies.
The Shapiro incident is regrettable; likely as badly handled as the initial decision to hire Shapiro for a consequential position at Geogetown.
I think I made it quite clear I'm not siding with Georgetown.
...Did you just conflate the Civil Rights Acts with McCarthyism?!
And who is advocating for federal laws here?
The reference to "hostile educational environment" is an obvious invocation of existing federal laws. The report explicitly cites both federal and local law as justification for censorship of even one-off, poorly-worded comments. That was kind of EV's repeated point in this post.
That's a weak reed to build 'went big on using federal law' on.
Bare assertions and $7 will get you a cup of coffee in Joe Biden's America.
Just admit you oversold what you had and move on. Is Federal law actually in play? No. Is an expansion of Federal law in play? No.
Federal law is in play, because that's what Title VII and Title IX are. This report claims -- quite explicitly -- that federal and local law require this censorship and violation of academic freedom.
Just admit that you're on the side of the campus Maoists.
Whatever Georgetown's justifications are, they're not being compelled by federal law; don't be silly.
Compelled is a much stronger word than I used. These wctions are being justified by a totalitarian, leftist misinterpretation of federal law. That's why I said they are using federal law to persecute their targets.
Federal law is not the but for cause of anything here.
It is amazing how far you go to put words in other people's mouths.
For example, federal law was not a but-for cause of HUAC hearings or the Hollywood blacklist or the various other abuses of that era. Why would it need to be a but-for cause here? Because you need a straw man to argue against?
The Federal government sure was the cause of those hearings.
It is not the cause of Georgetown's actions here, either through law or through executive action.
If you think that justification is what spurred Georgetown into action, I have a bridge to sell you.
Now you're moving your own recently erected goalposts. Why should any of us take you seriously?
It's all about deviancy. They are trying to punish deviants. Some subcultures should be taboo and therefore suppressed by our cultural bulwark institutions.
"The important thing here, I think, is just how much speech is now in peril, going forward, for Georgetown professors generally (especially ones who lack tenure, but even the tenured ones)."
Or. . . . with the help/encouragement/threat of FIRE, GU could change their policies.
https://www.thefire.org/news-and-media/press-release-archive/
compare:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime#Crimestop
Quite a slippery slope...
Eugene should use this post as the next example in his slippery slope series.
“What happened” to Shapiro is he quit his job.
He took an even better position, "Associate Martyr for the Conservative Cause."
He and Bari Weiss make a great couple . . . of obsolete misfits.
UPDATE: “What happened” to Shapiro is he quit his job and is now employed at The Manhattan Institute.
Is there no end to the indignities forced upon and suffered by “conservatives”?!
The idea is pretty straightforward: We ("liberals" / "progressives") can say whatever we want. You (conservatives) better keep your mouth shut, if you know what's good for you.
They don't come out and say it this way, but everyone knows this is what they're doing.
Mr. Shapiro didn't want to play along. Good for him.
See also how Shapiro was treated at UC Hastings when trying to give a speech recently, versus how his assailants are being treated; the violently disruptive protesters are not being punished by the law school.
https://reason.com/volokh/2022/06/07/what-are-georgetown-professors-forbidden-from-saying/?comments=true#comment-9531720
And the policy is only enforced to protect certain special groups from "harassment". Not both wayss
I'd be curious to see if any of the Georgetown faculty had anything bad to say about ACB or Kavanaugh nominations along the lines of race, gender or religion?
The resignation letter quotes comments from another Georgetown faculty member about Kavanaugh.
Do you know if he going to sue?
I hope every strong, mainstream educational institution is watching and learning from this episode, and becoming more resolute that bigoted, superstitious, disaffected, strident right-wingers should not be employed for any substantial position, especially an position involving judgment, education, and a firm relationship with the reality-based world.
Of course, Georgetown's policies only work one way. I suspect speech that criticizes conservatives is not only allowed but encouraged. How can a supposed institute of higher learning have not only a policy of such speech suppression, but also have it in writing? Alumni groups who truly believe that free speech is a bedrock of our learning systems should withhold all donations to Georgetown until they reverse such policies. Yeah, Yeah, not going to happen, I know. But, I can dream that one day universities will return to their original goals of education, diverse opinions, and higher learning, can't I?
The key is to base your opinions on suspecting; keeps everything pure.
If things are as you suspect (decent chance they are), it shouldn't be too hard to find some examples. It's bad practice to base your positions on your gut instinct, though.
There were literally examples in the OP above.
"The Democratic establishment must start telling it like it is: we have only one political party in this country, the Democrats. The other group is a combination of a cult and an insurrection-supporting crime syndicate."
"Consider DeSantis, Cruz, McConnell, for example. These are not people who want to participate in institutions of pluralist constitutional democracy. They want to spew crackpot theories, falsehoods, hatred; to get into power any way they can and remain there no matter what."
"The only ethically and politically responsible stance to take toward the Republican “party” is to consistently point out that it is no longer a legitimate participant in U.S. constitutional democracy. This is THE political issue of our time. "
Naively, that would appear to violate Georgetown's rules, but nothing was done.
Then cite those, don't just suppose.
As I said, (decent chance they are). But it's a human trait one needs to fight against to just cite to your own narrative and not reality.
"There were literally examples in the OP above."
Read CindyFs comment and try again.
The OP contained hypotheticals, not examples.
I think another good hypothetical would be related to the Catholic Church's well known opposition to abortion, and Georgetown's embrace of it's Catholic heritage.
Georgetown is Jesuit. It's Catholic, sure, but it's about as liberal as Catholicism gets. You'll get a more orthodox version of Catholicism from the Dominican schools, which often require morality clauses for their employees.
Having worked with both I don't see much difference, in fact I witn3ssed a negotiation between Jesuits and Dominicans. It was hard fought and pretty even.
This is a great example of what the slippery slope really is; a rhetorical device used to persuade the listener.
The incident involving Shapiro is politicized, with liberals generally agreeing with Georgetown and conservatives generally siding with Shapiro. Eugene wants to nudge his audience towards opposing Georgetown's actions. But, he likely understands that those supportive of the university are unlikely to change and support Shapiro. This is where the slippery slope argument can be useful. It doesn't matter if you support or oppose Shapiro's actions (and the consequences affecting his career). If you care about "free speech," then you should oppose Georgetown's actions. Notice that the issue has been reframed to focus on the valence issue of free speech (because who wants to appear opposed to free speech). If you support free speech, then you should appose Georgetown's decision, because allowing Georgetown to do what it did to Shapiro is a slippery slope to greater restrictions on professor's speech. And, according to the slippery slope logic, these restrictions could affect any professor, whether their views are liberal or conservative.
Eugene's slippery slope argument now compels anyone claiming to value free speech (whether liberal or conservative) to oppose Georgetown's actions. Indeed, under this logic, if you do not oppose Georgetown, then you must not value free speech.
Gotchya!
The incident involving Shapiro is politicized, with liberals generally agreeing with Georgetown and conservatives generally siding with Shapiro.
Those siding with the University may be progressives, but they can't be characterized as liberal, as what the University did was profoundly illiberal.
It's not much of a slippery slope when the censors explicitly say that the only thing stopping them from crushing their target is a technicality of jurisdiction.
Where did they say that?
In the first block quote from the report: "It is important to note that, given the Respondent's role in the Law Center, if he were to make another, similar or more serious remark as a Georgetown employee, a hostile environment based on race, gender, and sex likely would be created."
Emphasis revised to highlight the fact that a single comment or remark is argued as creating an actionable, (illegal under federal and local law) hostile educational environment.
There's no slippery slope here: Georgetown has announced that it already has restrictions in place that would apply to speech that should clearly be protected from a university professor.
There are no concrete examples. Even Shapiro isn't an example, he quit on his own! It's just a string of hypotheticals... aka a slippery slope.
The tax code should be amended so that any educational institution must adhere to First Amendment principles applicable to a public institution in order to maintain its tax free status.
What would become of the hundreds of conservative-controlled "educational institutions?" The censorship-shackled, blatantly discriminatory, nonsense-teaching, dogma-enforcing, speech code-imposing, conduct code-enforcing, academic freedom-rejecting, fourth tier (or worse) campuses that conservatives operate whenever they get control of a school?
Your hatred for those schools is long established, but everything you just described could be used to describe Georgetown (and Yale, and UC Berkeley) and it’s ilk. The only difference is that you support censorship and nonsense and dogma and codes as long as they come from the right team. Rev, you are what you hate.
I don't hate them so much as I think they are vividly shitty schools that constitute a natural consequence of conservatives' stale thinking and conduct. They also vividly demonstrate the hypocrisy of right-wing culture war casualties and the weakness of conservative preferences.
Liberals and libertarians operate strong schools for a reason.
Conservatives operate crappy schools for a similar, if not the same, reason.
That evidence inclines smart people to conclude that conservative preferences are inferior, at least in the context of education, reasoning, science, and progress.
Since Georgetown isn't a public institution but a church-run school, where does that leave your tax code change?
That's exactly the point. The First Amendment already applies to public institutions. I am suggesting that private educational institutions comply in order to keep their tax exempt status.
I read quickly, but it appears Prof. Volokh navigated the entirety of a lengthy argument without publishing a vile racial slur even once.
That is real progress for the clingerverse!
Those scenarios remind me a lot of the pamphlet that was circulated with the original U of Michigan speech code that was active for awhile in the late 80's. I used to have a pdf of it for awhile, but can't find it anymore. I know the district court decision striking down the speech code references it so might be in the case material if you dig through the docket enough.
Everything that is old is new again. Let's hope the Congressional elections are also a repeat of 1994.
Reading Doe v University of Michigan, that speech code was pretty mild compared to Georgetown; It really only applied to speech taking place in specific locations on campus, for instance. If you were off campus, it had no application at all.
Georgetown doesn't care where you speak, so long as even one student might encounter your speech.
The Left has put all their eggs into the oppression, censorship basket in the last 5-7 years. "Progressive" really ought to be "repressive" because that is what they are seeking to do to society. They don't want to live in a civilization with free people, they want to rule over a society that parrots their line and grovels to the feet of the leftist elite. This is probably why they are so desperate to disarm the public, because as history teaches us it is impossible to do so when a people are armed.
The next few years will probably determine if we live in a free society or under the thumb of oppression. Tread lightly.
I think Trump being elected finally rid them of the notion that they were going to inevitably prevail organically. They finally internalized the fact that they were NOT guaranteed to win the war for public opinion. Not if people were free to speak.
So they set out to nuke freedom of speech.
They have also decided it is perfectly fine to pull the nuclear option with the Supreme Court as well. This "leak" (and we will see how it plays out but my guess is it was a clerk for a liberal justice) was done purposefully to get to that end. The end game there is either "court packing" which basically puts us in banana republic land or blackmailing the court into bending to liberal demands which gets us to the same place.
The Left has already weaponized criminal prosecution of political opponents and demonstrated they don't mind denying those political prisoners their basic rights as well.
These are dangerous times and people are starting to recognize that with the latest gun grab attempts. I don't know how it is going to go, but fear it won't end well for just about everyone and anyone involved.
It will continue to go just about as the most recent half-century has gone.
Better ideas and better people will continue to prevail in America.
Conservatives will continue to be stomped into irrelevance in the culture war.
Right-wingers will bluster and whine a lot as they head toward replacement.
"reasonable" students" This pretty much says it all. There aren't any "reasonable" students" anymore.
What's the matter with kids today is an evergreen sentiment.
Thanks for posting the actual text of the tweets.
This, from the IDEAA report, is, er, "troubling" :
His plain words not only explicitly identified the race, sex, and gender of a group of individuals (i.e., Black women) but also categorized Black women as "lesser."
One can forgive a drive-by reader of 'his plain words" getting the wrong end of the stick. But in an actual report, with actual focus on "his plain words", no one educated beyond 8th grade could possibly misunderstand Shapiro's "plain words" other than wilfully.
And Georgetown did not send the report back to its IDEAA to have another go. So what we're really confronted with is not so much that a Prof could be hauled over the coals for what he or she says, but that what he or she says can be wilfully misunderstood, so as to create a crime that was never actually committed. And the university - full of lawyers who are supposed, inter alia, to be capable of instructing their charges on textual analysis - will nod along.
The effect then is that you must control your tongue so that not only does it say nothing that might actually be offensive to anyone (which is hard enough) but you must also take care not to say anything that could be wilfully misunderstood, and presented as something offensive which you did not in fact say. This is like being permanently on the witness stand, up against a shyster word-twisting lawyer, in front of a judge who is in the tank for the shyster's side.
Nobody can work like that. He was wise to resign. He would have been wiser never to have gone near Georgetown in the first place.
That sounds like a sound plan. Movement conservatives can avoid our strongest teaching and research institutions. Our better schools can avoid movement conservatives.
May the better ideas and people continue to prevail.
The problem with "lesser black woman" is that it's not terribly concise and is obviously easy to misunderstand. Where does one place the emphasis of "lesser?" On "black" or "woman" or both? Had he said "lesser legal scholar" or something similar, it probably wouldn't have been that big of a deal. At worst, he is racist. At best, he's unartful in his use of the English language to a degree that should undercut his other qualifications for the job he was hired to do. You cannot have senior administrators at a school looking to attract the best legal minds accidentally creating racist scandals because he isn't able to appropriately edit his speech so as not to be misunderstood.
He said "lesser black woman" rather than "lesser legal scholar" for precisely the reason that EV explained. Biden had said that blackness and woman-ness were the two necessary prequalifications for the appointment. The alleged "racism" is simply a repetition of Biden's own "racist" prequalification standard.
If the coach of the SF 49ers said he was going to hire a new defensive co-ordinator, but he was only going to consider Texans over 6 foot tall, the fans' complaint would have taken the form :
"Shorty Lonnegan is obviously the best defensive co-ordinator in the NFL and he's available. The coach should hire him not a lesser 6 foot Texan." *
That does not say or even connote the slightest prejudice against tall people or Texans, nor the slightest suggestion that tall people or Texans are naturally inferior to short people or Mid Westerners. It just says that Shorty Lonnegan should be hired as the best guy for the slot, and that insisting on a six foot Texan is stupid, as it imposes conditions that are irrelevant and so excludes better candidates.
Everyone knows this - it is as I said a very simple construction understandable to an 8th grader. The pretended offense about "racism" is entirely disingenous. As I mentioned.
*actually the fans' complaint would have been expressed more briefly, but with more Anglo Saxon words.
The problem with "lesser black woman" is that it's not terribly concise
OK then, express the same thing more concisely.
"a hostile environment based on race, gender, and sex likely would be created."
Objection; supposition, assumes facts not in evidence.
(when a hostile environment is created, it is always by the leftist protestors)
"[T]he [Georgetown] Speech and Expression Policy clarifies that its provision of free speech is not unfettered."
Then it's not "free speech" is it?
Nope
I mean, if they're going to fetter speech, they should be banning critical race theory, amirite?! If an administrator at a law school wants to refer to a Supreme Court nominee as a "lesser black woman," he should be allowed to! And if the school wants to teach theory on how referring to a highly experienced and honored legal professional as a "lesser black woman" has its roots in slavery, Jim Crow, and a continuing history of racism, well, that's a bridge too far. And if the young, black, female law students at Georgetown are put off by the hiring of such a person, well, they can surely find a separate school (of equal status no doubt) to attend.
No you're not right. The context of the lesser black woman comment was that he thought another candidate was more qualified who wasn't a black woman. That by only considering black woman you are choosing a lesser candidate.
But lets reverse things. What if the next president said he would only consider a white male for the next open slot. You think that would be without criticism? Do you think those that criticize would be fired?
Eugene,
What’s the adjudicative process? Does IDEAA have final say (or any say for that matter)?
When considering how to consider Prof. Volokh's question -- ''What are Georgetown Professors Forbidden to Say?" -- Georgetown might wish to consider the question "What Does Prof. Volokh Forbid Commenters To Say?" and the illuminative record concerning that point.
("What Does Prof. Volokh Permit Commenters To Say" is also a useful point of inquiry in this context.)
If your freedom of speech is imperiled by a private university, then you didn't have it to start with.
And if you think this is new, then you're an idiot: no amount of employment law has ever preserved someone's job when they bring embarrassment to the boss.
^
I mean, that's clearly not true -- plenty of employees have protections (through contract, statute, or constitutional provisions) that prohibit adverse employment actions for all manner of conduct the boss might find embarrassing.
Unless you're talking about public sector unions where you get shoved into a rubber room because it's cheaper then firing you, then no: such laws give you a right to a pound of flesh --after years of wrangling in court-- but they can't really keep you from being fired in the first place.
And contracts? Sorry dude, but if the person writing the checks says "no", then you're out of work. You might eventually be able to get a pound of flesh from them in court, but you'll have been fired for a long time by then.
You might be thinking of France, where employment protections have real teeth.
And even then, public sector administrators are generally not represented by unions and are at-will employees. Only the non-management public sector employees, in states where employment law isn't designed to break unions, get any meaningful protection.
Eugene, this is a good example of how your decision to engage in culture war issues and specious reasoning has undermined your credibility when commenting on other issues more relevant to your actual expertise.
I haven't seen the report, and you haven't provided it. Why? Well, your benefactor, whom you do not name, apparently gave you the report on the condition that it not be shared in its entirety. You do not explain why this person remains unnamed, so we cannot evaluate for ourselves their possible motives. At this point, I am inclined to suppose that Shapiro himself gave you a copy of the report, so that you could write precisely this kind of post. It reminds me a bit of Barr previewing the Mueller report.
And so, in this post, you dance from excerpt to excerpt, stringing things along with paraphrases and inferences. We can only guess how accurate your account is. As noted, you've pretty well eroded your credibility, so I - for one - know better than to take your word for it. I will continue to suspend judgment on the report until I can review it directly.
Thus, your parade of horribles at the end - of examples the Georgetown policy is purported to prohibit - becomes completely worthless. Rhetorical garbage. We cannot evaluate for ourselves whether Georgetown would take issue with the hypothetical examples you've listed, and we cannot trust your description of the report at face value. So this whole post is a waste of time.
So what does that make your comment?
More aligned with the better side of the argument, the right side of history, the winning side of the culture war, and the relevant side with respect to modern America.
A long-winded version of "There's 10 minutes of my time I'll never get back!"
A voice of sanity amidst a cesspool of dittohead goobers with nothing new or interesting to say, themselves, if the comments to this point are any indication.
You can run along now, David.
Objectively best pick for Biden is Sri Srinivasan, who is solid prog & v smart
Leaving aside the political qualification, and the "raaaacism !", I thought I might just record a note of dissent on Ilya Shapiro's implication that "v smart"-ness is a necessary, or even desirable, qualification in a Supreme Court (or any other) kind of judge.
Obviously adequate smartness is required, but it is not at all obvious that a SCOTUS Justice needs to be the smartest person in the room. Or that if he or she were, that would necessarily be a good thing.
A good judge should be dull and unimaginative. It should be the advocates providing the intellectual fireworks, burnishing up their sophistry and conjuring fanciful - but friendly to their client - interpretations of the law. To invent adventurous but plausible sounding arguments takes more brain power than does deducing their implausibility. The judge needs only sufficient wattage to see through the smoke and mirrors, and conclude "that was good entertaining stuff, however it's not as complicated as that."
The problem with intellectually brilliant and imaginative people is that they tend to be very full of themselves. The judicial bench beckons to the arrogant and megalomaniacal anyway. We do not need especially to pick out those whose mental gifts exacerbate these flaws of personality.
Gorsuch is a case in point. He's clearly very clever indeed, extraordinarily impressed with himself, and naturally drawn to vaporous intellectuality. We don't need astonishingly smart Justices, we need modest self effacing ones, who do not imagine that they are qualified to be Platonic Guardians.
Let us have fewer "brilliant" Justices, and more dull, justly humble, ones.
Oh my god Gorsuch! He's got some of his own farts stashed in perfume bottles under his desk. A good snort on one of those helps keep his self-doubts at bay.
I think reading comprehension is the #1 requirement.
The ability to read the constitution. It is a simple and straightforward document. And you should be intelligent also.
I don't think it's intelligence that drives activism, i.e. the tendency for predominantly liberal judges to invent constitutional rights that would never be passed by congress or could be ratified as an amendment.
Sotomayor is intelligent and absolutely has no regard for the constitution. So is Thomas, exact opposite.
PS I can't believe we're still using "denigrate"
One problem is the reliance on what would offend "reasonable" students. Fewer people seem to fit that description each day at places like Georgetown Law School.