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"He Is Right Who Is Defending His Home"
"Our generation always understood each other without borders and passports / There, where we sang about friendship, today people dream only of complete revenge / All that normal people built over the years—all is obliterated."
Max Korzh, said to be one of the most prominent Belarusian musicians, just put out this anti-war song (Russian lyrics here), titled "His Home" (or, if you prefer, "His Own Home"); between YouTube and Instagram, I counted about 4M views in just the last couple of days since it was released. I thought the song was especially noteworthy given that Korzh apparently still lives in Belarus, and has extensive plans to continue performing in Russia (though who knows whether that will still happen). And I also appreciated the theme that I have also seen in some other such songs—the pain of senseless waste, of former peace and affection pointlessly and likely irretrievably squandered.
Here is my translation (thanks to my mother Anne for help with some of the words), though I have taken some liberties with it, and may well have erred in various details:
We probably didn't understand what we had when all was good
We blindly hoped that someone higher up is taking care of it all
From childhood we were raised to be noble, and that the world is saved only by good
The naïve dreamers with backpacks lived and made plans
"We don't want what belongs to others," they shouted in their incomparable speeches
Pissed in people's ears about the friendship of peoples, but they already had a machinegun ready for each of us
In short, there are few options here, sign for your country at the bottom of the enlistment papers
And right from the start, if you believe in God, well—welcome to hell.[Refrain:]
Hey brother, so long, where will we end up, who knows?
The war is on, and it has its law,
They shoot—you shoot, everyone lies, but know:
He is right who is defending his home.
Spring weeps, Ukraine burns.
The world hasn't changed, this is the way it is.
Hey brother, so long, where will we end up, who knows?
But he is right who is defending his home.
We probably didn't think, that it would come to figuring out what we now have to figure out
Our generation always understood each other without borders and passports
There, where we sang about friendship, today people dream only of complete revenge
All that normal people built over the years—all is obliterated
God, how many innocent lives have been taken, killed point blank
How many maimed boys, and for what? No-one can explain even today
How many ordinary people got screwed, all buried in one pit?
What you fucking did, you still don't understand.All these armchair warriors, fanning the flames of enmity, adding strife
All these animals, who all these years poured spit into the cauldron of hatred
All these history buffs, who will justify everything, so long as they satisfy their pride a bit
But people just wanted to live, to smile, and to enjoy each day
Whoever couldn't fucking stay home—it would have been better if he had just banged his head against the walls
Whoever fucking wanted to repeat things—well fucking look at this and put it on repeat
And how everything will turn out—only God knows.[Refrain]
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"Defending His Home" ???
Oh, you mean like the Peoples of Atlanta in 1864? (and Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina...)
Like General George Pickett CSA said (In the great "Gettysburg" movie anyway) said, "We're trying to resign from the Club and they're saying we don't have that raht (right)"
I know, of course you don't mean that, Ukraine's being invaded by a Militarily/Industrially Superior Nation, and Ukraine only has Courage, Patriotism, and....
OK, they don't have Slaves, I was doing pretty well up to there...
At this point, it's like the Iran/Iraq Wah of the 80's, I'd like to see both sides bleed themselves to death,
Frank "Peace Freak"
It should be US policy to invite all Boomer elite and policy makers around the world to choose. Either retire, or we put a bullet in your head. This is history's Most Annoying Generation. All need to go. The sole evidence required to kill this scum would be a valid birthdate before 1960. Far out, man.
Who here approves of Eugene's moving from relevant songs about Ukraine to substantive legal analysis of killing Putin? Among those who oppose the decapitation of national leadership by their victims, what are the lawyer names?
I'm not supporting the Assassination of any Foreign Heads of State, but I've got much Mo' Beef with J. Trudeau (there's a Nixon Whitehouse Tape where Milhouse refers to Justin's Father as "That Asshole Trudeau"), man, RMN just gets better with time, like an aged Bourbon....
And if someone was to support the Assassination of Foreign Heads of State, how about Iran (or Ear-Ron as Barry Obama (Peace be upon Him) used to pronounce it)? Cuber, (As JFK used to pronounce it)? CHY-NA (as "45") used to pronounce it?, Whoever's running Veet' Nam, just to let them know we don't appreciate them taking 50 years to return remains (Amurica's returned all VC/NVA killed in Amurica) "Pock-E-Stan"(Barry again) you know, for hiding out OBL for 10 years,
Frank
Frank Drackmans are attracted to this blog because the Volokh Conspirators have become to mainstream, modern legal academia what Frank Drackman is to modern, mainstream, liberal-libertarian America.
Thanks for everything you do to make this white, male, right-wing blog what it is, Mr. Drackman.
You're Welcome, "Reverend" but just a friendly suggestion,
Change your Nom-de-Plume to.......
"Rev. Arthur L. Boiler-Plate"
because that's all your replies are, and I know that's a legal Thang, (C'mon (Man!) you know https://www.legalzoom.com/forms is why you're still schlepping to Traffic Court (Or "Zooming", sure whatever Blue (Balls) State you scratch a living in is still ripping minor traffic violators off on-line)
I, OTOH (On the Other Hand) put some originality and thought into my posts, even with my Fake Name, which is from a much better movie (yeah, the NY Times didn't review it, and if they had, who gives a fuck)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075836/
and You haven't and (won't) see Topgun: Maverick, because you were banned for life from the first one during the famous "Beach Volleyball" scene....
Frank "No Offense!"
About 90% of the Justice budget is waste. About half the $3.6 trillion health cost is waste. So medical waste is twice that wasted on lawyer scammer rent seeking. I can cut the health budget in half, and give everyone gold plated top coverage. Part of dropping the medical cost in half would be to crush the lawyer profession. 10% goes to defensive medicine, which is medical fraud. These procedures are not medically necessary, but legally necessary. Then 25% is spent on torturing dying people for no benefit in extending any quality life. Crush their families and their vile lawyers intimidating doctors. Then, crush the lawyers running federal health policy. Just kill them. They are making doctors type. Stop them. All medical records are to be video recordings. Patients get a copy to watch again, since no one remembers a thing that was said while in pain or scared. No typing allowed. We are getting close to 50% with no advances, and no extension of prevention.
As I suggest all law students attend traffic court, I suggest everyone get a lab test. You will see where the waste and frustration are.
Those who support attacks on rent seeking have to answer whether they are willing to accept the firing of 3 million people. I have no hesitation trimming these criminal enterprises.
1/2 (AKA "Half")?? more like 90%, Where should I begin "Fibromyalgia"? (Fake, well, no, it's just a side effect of Depression, which is why the medications used to treat it are Anti-Depressants)
ADHD? (Hmm, lets give adolescent males with short attention spans (i.e. all normal adolescent males) highly addictive Amphetamines, Hmm, they seem to get more hyper? give them more!!
Sexual "Reassignment" Surgery, (AKA "Castration", "Oophorectomy", "Add-a-dick-to-me") Don't recall being "Assigned" my sex, just having Cock and Balls as long as I can remember (and play with)
Oh, and most of the Neck/Back/Shoulder surgeries, what did peoples do before them (better, for the most part)
I'll agree, Hips, Knee Replacements, lots of improved QOL (but for old fucks, why don't they just die already? (and I'm an old fuck)
Frank
Eugene must be having a bad day. He deleted 8 Comments and threatened to ban me. I guess Reason does not run this show. If he asks me to leave, I will.
My apologies to those whose comments are inadvertently hidden because of my deletion of two of DaivdBehar's comments. (I assume that they were responses to those comments; I hadn't realized that deleting the comments would hide the responses as well.) For the record, here is what Mr. Behar's comments that I deliberately deleted were, in relevant part:
I had warned Mr. Behar before about his vulgar personal insults and about his mass murder fantasies (e.g., to quote one comment from three months ago, "Someone needs to stop this toxic occupation. Stop Putin's lawyer protectors in the USA. Round up their collaborator hierarchy. Try them. Execute them in the court basement.") I tolerate a great deal from commenters, but here I draw the line: I'm trying to orchestrate a conversation here, and vulgar personal insults and calls for mass murder, even obviously hyperbolic ones, poison that conversation. I've warned Mr. Behar, given the past warnings, that I will ban him if he doesn't stop that.
Of course, I can't catch all such comments, since I don't read all the comments -- and in particular, since I've muted some users. But these comments from Mr. Behar I saw, and thought I needed to act on.
Eugene, please, review this convenient reference.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
I am sorry if formal logic supports retaliatory violence against immune parties. The contrapositive of a true assertion is always true. The location of the moon cannot be determined closer than a meter using the laws of physics. However formal logic has 100% certainty.
The rule of law was an invention that replaced endless cycles of retaliatory violence with legal proceedings. That is true. That invention was a factor that allowed the start of civilization 10000 years ago. One did not have to spend all the time on survival. That means that immune parties may be subjected to retaliatory violence if you believe in the rule of law and in its benefits and that formal logic is supreme over self dealing lawyer rules that oppress everyone, including lawyers and judges. Contracts replaced kidnapping to enforce promises one did not want to keep.
I hope Mr. Behar takes the correction in the spirit it's given (even if it's from a lawyer). The VC would be a poorer place without his calls for RALK to replace himself and for QA to finally referral his/her/their pronouns.
There are sometimes good points in DB's comments, although the personal insults and open bloodlust detract from both the overall VC experience and especially how much weight I assign to DB's comments.
A ban is not necessary. Ask me to leave, I will. You will not be cancelling me. I will comply with your request. No hard feelings.
Eugene is probably the lawyer with the highest IQ. He started out early in an empirical field. His potential contributions could have been worth $billions to society. He chose to attend law school, instead. The most unforgivable thing he is doing is taking intelligent, ethical young people, and indoctrinating them into false supernatural doctrines. to induct them into a failed and highly toxic profession. What was done to him, he is doing to others. He could be interrupting the cycle of indoctrination and rent seeking. The purpose is to steal $trillion a year in worthless rent seeking, at the point of a gun, armed robbery. He is far more toxic to our nation than a chief of a Mexican drug cartel.
As to bloodlust, it is just utilitarian arithmetic. Kill this guy at 14, you are ahead one judge who did nothing wrong but his job.
https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/national-international/former-wisconsin-judge-killed-in-targeted-attack-suspect-had-hit-list-that-included-mcconnell-whitmer/2849818/
If you read the assertions of both sides, a currently unfashionable thing to do, you will find that both sides think they are defending their home. For different reasons of course.
The parties have probably thought about this more than you have, the parties, both sides, having more to loose than you probably do, so you likely do not know anything the parties do not already think they know. Therefore, what ever you non-parties to the conflict, think or say, you are unlikely to persuade one of the parties.
So what is the point of your moral outrage? Is it just virtue signaling? Are you just congratulating yourself for being right in this imperfect world? The people on both sides who are risking everything on this conflict, should be listening to you instead? The people in the conflict think that they have it figured out without your help. How evil those who do not agree with you are.
Your moral outrage does not make you a better person.
God save us all.
When a fascist country (Russia) is trying to export fascism, and a free country (Ukraine) is trying to remain free, the two are not morally equivalent. Not even close.
When Hitler invaded Poland, he thought he was just giving the Germans breathing space. Your argument fails for the same reason his did.
It was "Living Space"/Lebensraum"
Frank "Worter bedeutet etwas"
According to Russia, Ukraine lost its freedom in 2014, when the legal government of Ukraine was overthrown by an United States lead coup. A Coup that brought NATO to the boarder of Russia, threatening the freedom of Russia. When a similar situation occurred in Cuba, the United States asserted the right to intervene in Cuba, and it was only the threat of Soviet nuclear weapons that allowed Cuba to remain as it was.
Russia asserts that Dombas has the right to remain "free" of Neo-NAZI shelling. The rationale that Russia asserts for its invasion in Ukraine is exactly the same Rationale that the U.S. asserts for its intervention in Serbia. "We have been invited in by a rebel faction." Just as the US asserts the right to judge its own cause in Serbia, Russia asserts the right to judge its own cause in Ukraine. Russia believes that Ukraine is the fascist country, and they have the tattoos to prove it, on the bodies of captured Ukrainian soldiers.
Russia believes that the millions it lost in WWII to real fascism, give it the right to be its own judge as to what is fascism. Western moral outrage is self serving. Whether Russia is right or wrong, Russia is willing to back up its belief with their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. The West is not willing to risk its chewing gum.
The West allocates to itself the right to determine what is right and wrong, and requires other countries to sit in the corner and accept this. But it is betting on a busted flush, and "moral outrage" will not fill the gap. An Empire of Lies does not work, because eventually someone calls your bluff.
Russia asserts a lot of shit; that doesn't make it valid.
Commenters here are not the West. We don't have whatever incentives you assert we have. Just the individual ability to believe what our own eyes tell us.
What Sarcastro said. Not only that, but even assuming 2014 was a coup, the Ukrainian voters ratified it with an election in the interim. Zelensky is not president because of a coup; he's president because he won a free, fair and democratic election. And even if you're right about the US doing stuff that's just as bad, that's just changing the subject away from what is happening now in the Ukraine.
Did I say the West is not willing to risk its chewing gum? I was wrong. The West is not willing to risk discomfiture of its elite leadership. But it is willing to risk the wealth and health and food of its own people and the life of every Ukrainian. But it is not willing to risk the temporary embarrassment of its elite. This is why the Ukrainian military is always asked to implement counter productive stand and fight orders. They do not care how many Ukrainians, a given Western lie costs.
The Russian military on the other hand is allowed to optimize its lines and time-tables even if it results in a temporary propaganda victory for Ukraine. The Russians apparently care about the lives of their soldiers whereas Ukraine does not. This is because the Ukrainian leadership is not Ukrainian. 2014.
Ah yes, the Ukraine is a puppet of Western elites.
Where have I heard that exact trope before, albeit with a somewhat more...Semetic target?
Hi, Paulie. All collaborators with the adversary get rounded up. There is no talking to deniers.
who did you say was fascist?
"fascist country (Russia)"
Every dictatorship is not fascist. Russia has been authoritarian its whole history except for about 10 years, Putin is just another in a long line of such creatures.
And how would you distinguish Putin from fascism? I realize the line between authoritarian and fascist isn't always crystal clear.
There's a joke about a Russian who found a genie in a bottle. She told him, "I will give you whatever you wish, but your neighbor gets double." He hated his neighbor, so after a few moment's thought he said, "Can you make me half blind, half deaf and half lame?" That has always struck me as a fairly accurate descriptor of both Russians and Republicans.
We are not obliged to, and should not, accept alleged moral equivalence of the country invading another and butchering civilians with the country defending itself from a despot's invaders. Especially not on the self-serving say-so of the despot.
Man...started with 'you should outsource what's objectively true to other people' and ended up arguing there is no point to making judgements unless you can do anything.
These are smokescreens, not real arguments. Why, Paul, are you so committed to throwing up chaff against people judging things they see with their eyes?
As they say in Russia: If anyone's cow should moo, Sarcastr0, yours should be quiet. (They don't call you Gaslighto for nothing.)
Keep stanning for Putin, Ed. Your empty ad-hom here makes you seem well situated for it.
I can not abide the sound of fools congratulating themselves.
I'm actually trying to wean myself away from commenting here just because of the massive time drain it's become. I'll get involved in three or four threads and the next thing I know I've spent two hours here that I should have been spending on other things. And part of that is that I'm too easily baited into responding to things that are better left alone.
You're right; there are a number of bright, well-thought commenters here. Unfortunately the signal to noise ratio is getting worse and worse.
"malfunctioning forum where literal lunatics dominate the comments"
You don't help, constantly engaging him.
Mute him and move on.
Hi, Queenie. What is your preferred pronoun, Honey? Do you feel you are female? Now discuss the mental illness of others.
Like I was saying about the signal to noise ratio.
Well, the purpose of the "Mute User" function is to let you decrease the noise, as you define noise ....