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UC San Francisco Diversity Office Deems Some Asians to be URMs
UCSF's "working definition" of underrepresented minorities includes Filipino, Hmong, and Vietnamese
As regular VC readers know, I've written a book about how America's racial classifications developed and how the classifications are defined and enforced. One of the many arbitrary aspects of the classifications is that they lump together "Asian American" groups that have nothing in common--such as Bangladeshi and Cambodian Americans--into the same classification.
In higher education, because "Asian Americans" on average are "overrerpresented," at best members of that classification do not benefit from URM status, and at worst are subject to discrimination in admissions.
It turns out, however, that if one digs deep into the data, one finds that the "overrepresentation" of Asian Americans is primarily a product of the academic success of Indian, Chinese, Japanese, and (to a lesser extent) Korean Americans. Other Asian groups are anywhere from mildly "overrepresented" compared to their share of the population, or underrepresented.
Recognizing this dynamic, UCSF decided to include Filipinos, Hmong, and Vietnamese as URMs in its "working definition" of that category. But this raises its own questions. Why those three groups, and not Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Cambodians, Laotions, and other Asian subgroups who also are likely "underrepresented" in higher education, certainly relative to Filipinos, who have among the highest average incomes of American ethnic groups?
For that matter, why only break down the Asian category? Some Hispanic subgroups are "underrepresented" relative to population, but I'm not sure that Cubans Americans are; I'm pretty confident that Spanish and Argentine Americans are not, though it's hard to get such data.
Among African Americans, Nigerian immigrants and their children are almost certainly "overrepresented," so why not break down the African American/black classification more finely?
For Native Americans, why not distinguish between, say, those who grew up on reservations and within a Native American community and, say, tribal members who are only a fraction of Indian descent and have few if any ties to their ancestral tribe? (One can, for example, be less than 1/5000 Cherokee and still be a member.)
And of course, "white" is not a homogenous category. Appalachians, for example, are the least-well-off of any American group that anyone bother to study, other than Indians living on reservations. Why do they not count as "underrepresented?"
In short, UCSF's instinct, that it's unfair to lump all "Asian Americans" together, is sound. But the same instinct, followed to its logical conclusion, tells us that all the classifications used by USCF and other universities arbitrary lump people with vastly different backgrounds, experiences, and average group success together.
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Not to mention that a lot of folks could move from Hispanic to Native American whenever the benefit is better for one than the other.
All URMs should be forced to provide DNA evidence of their status. A girl I knew looked Irish. She identified as African American. She got a full ride to grad school with top grades, worth $130000 for 2 years. She joined the African American student association and attended their meetings. No one said a word. Yes, she is African American, to the extent all humans set out from Africa. Her ancestors came from Chad, 200,000 years ago.
The solution to all these debates is simple. Get the income statements of the parents. Help the poor kids. Verifiable. Fair. Not racist.
A math of income approach would kill jobs in the diversity business, so unlikely to be adopted.
My wonderful wife is Filipina. I have a signficant Irish background. Our son married a girl of Irish heritage. Our 13 year old granddaughter has beautiful red hair, and skin as fair as milk. She loves her grandmother and considers herself Filipina also. She does get some odd looks when she wears her Yes I'm Filipino T-shirt we bought her for her birthday. ????❤
Maybe the people are thinking, "Shouldn't that be Filipinx"?
(Ducking.)
I have actually seen that on the 'net
From the UCSF definition:
Asian: Filipino, Hmong*, or Vietnamese only
Hispanic / Latinx
Not sure why the... double standard.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today." -- MLK, 1963
He was a white supremist.
Correct. Merit and character are masking ideologies to keep the diverse down.
Well, it is a consistent characteristic of socialist democrats to racially define people.
The mechanics of racial discrimination is something ugly to behold.
And yet the "woke" cling to it.
DB has often written about the unfairness of lumping the multi-variate class of Hispanics together. What the US refuses to acknowledge is that the Hispanics in Mexico are the privileged group.
Rather is is the many indigenous people of Mexico who are roundly discriminated against and oppressed by the Central Mexican government.
The whole "class" approach is IMO contrary to fairness and the American tradition. The fact that you are from one racial class or another does not necessarily mean you come from a deprived background. There are "Hispanics" whose parents are wealthy and went to elite schools, and there are those whose parents are middle class and went to fine public schools. Neither should be given preference merely because some who share their ethnic heritage are poor or educationally deprived.
The whole terminology of "underrepresented" should be ditched. People who are admitted to college or university do not "represent" anyone, whether from their ethnic group or geographic locale. They are there to be educated and (hopefully) advance in life.
I have posted here before that I might support some version of socioeconomic affirmative action. That, in my view is not only fairer, but is not inherited -- that one person comes from poverty does not mean his children or grandchildren will.
I have no argument about your comment. In fact with respect to Mexican "Hispanics," the economic approach would be far more defensible and much more fair to those of indigenous backgrounds who are not actually Hispanic in any sense except for their having been given Hispanic family names.
Hence the treatment by US entities of such people as Hispanics is a fraud.
Sigh. In the U.S.S.R. all forms had an infamous "fifth line" listing your ethnicity. To see that line on all forms in the U.S. now is disheartening.
Not to mention Nazi Germany...
The 'visible' side of this change switches a few (sub)groups from overrep-->underrep in the admissions contest, but the 'invisible' side will switch other (sub)groups from underrep-->overrep in the admission contest. The latter (sub)groups will fight like heck to keep the categories broad.
Look at the bright side: they are now on a slippery slope that leads to treating people as individuals.
Oh are we doing countries now? Because I barely ever see "First Bohemian" anything, I feel very underrepresented.