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Originalism In The Lower Courts: Is Absolute Prosecutorial Immunity Correct As An Original Matter?
Judge Ho: "There are good reasons to believe that the doctrine of absolute prosecutorial immunity is wrong as an original matter."
Yesterday, while we were all losing our minds about Dobbs, the rest of the judiciary continued to function. The Fifth Circuit decided Wearry v. Foster. The panel found that the doctrine of absolute prosecutorial immunity did not foreclose a 1983 suit against a state prosecutor.
When a prosecutor joins police in the initial gathering of evidence in the field, he acts outside his quasi-judicial role as an advocate; instead he acts only in an investigatory role for which absolute immunity is not warranted. Therefore, District Attorney Perrilloux is not entitled to absolute immunity for his actions.
Judge Ho wrote a dubitante opinion:
So I write separately, first, to explain how governing precedent requires us to grant prosecutorial immunity in this case, and second, to note that I reach this conclusion reluctantly, because the doctrine of prosecutorial immunity appears to be mistaken as an original matter.
Once again, Judge Ho illustrates how lower-court judges can engage in originalism.
First, Judge Ho resists the temptation to draw "razor-thin" distinctions to evade precedent.
As a panel, we're bound to follow both Supreme Court and circuit precedent—whether we like it or not. Moreover, if fidelity to precedent means anything, it means construing precedent faithfully.
Of course, "judges can always draw razor-thin distinctions and contend that a particular issue is not governed by a non-originalist precedent." Josh Blackman, Originalism and Stare Decisis in the LowerCourts, 13 NYU J.L. & Liberty 44, 51 (2019). But "judges should resist this temptation." Id. See also Williams v. Homeland Ins. Co., 18 F.4th 806, 821 (5th Cir. 2021) (Ho, J., concurring) (same).
I see no principled basis that the panel majority could possibly invoke to distinguish Cousin. To the contrary, the theories put forth by the majority are directly contradicted by Cousin itself.
The majority disagrees on this front:
Our brother's dubitante opinion contends these "razor-thin" distinctions are without a difference. Infra at 24. We disagree.
(Is it still common for judges to use the term "brother"? I know the Supreme Court abandoned that practice prior to Justice O'Connor's confirmation. This practice seems so antiquated.)
Second, Judge Ho cites an amicus brief from the Constitutional Accountability Center--a group known for progressive originalist advocacy.
The bad news is that, although Congress can fix what ails us in cases like this, it shouldn't have to. Because Congress never enacted the immunities that would presume to stop us from deciding Wearry's claims. As the Constitutional Accountability Center observes in its amicus brief, courts should construe provisions "in accordance with . . . text and history." So if we are going to recognize any immunities—notwithstanding the complete absence of any statutory text to support such immunities—at the very most we should recognize only those immunities that are "so well established in the common law . . . that the members of the 42nd Congress must have been aware of them and could not have meant to abrogate them by implication." See also, e.g., Burns v. Reed, 500 U.S. 478, 498 (1991) (Scalia, J., concurring in the judgment in part and dissenting in part) ("the presumed legislative intent not to eliminate traditional immunities is our only justification for limiting the categorical language of the statute"); Ziglar v. Abbasi, 137 S. Ct. 1843, 1870 (2017) (Thomas, J., concurring in part and concurring in the judgment) (same).
Third, Judge Ho cites scholarship from Scot Keller demonstrating that the notion of absolute immunity is not supported by history.
Take the doctrine of qualified immunity. It requires civil rights plaintiffs to prove not only a violation of their constitutional rights, but a "clearly established" one. But the "clearly established" requirement lacks any basis in either the text or original understanding of § 1983. See, e.g., Horvath v. City of Leander, 946 F.3d 787, 800–03 (5th Cir. 2020) (Ho, J., concurring in the judgment in part and dissenting in part); Scott A. Keller, Qualified and Absolute Immunity at Common Law, 73 Stan. L. Rev. 1337, 1388 (2021) ("The Supreme Court's largest departure from the common law of officer immunities occurred when Harlow v. Fitzgerald replaced the subjective good-faith defense for qualified immunity with a clearly-established-law test.").
Fourth, despite this history, Judge Ho maintains that a "faithful reading of precedent" requires the Court to grant immunity here.
The majority says it is "strange" to apply prosecutorial immunity here. Ante, at 16. I agree. As explained, I'm skeptical about the doctrine of absolute prosecutorial immunity as an original matter. But a faithful reading of precedent requires us to grant it here, no matter how troubling I might personally find it.
As a panel, we're duty-bound to follow precedent. And that means we're duty-bound to follow precedent, full stop—not just when it leads to results we like. "[A] principle is not a principle until it costs you." Lefebure v. D'Aquilla, 15 F.4th 650, 663 (5th Cir. 2021) (citing Psalm 15:4 (honoringthose who "keep[ ] an oath even when it hurts")). "[F]ollowing precedent only when you like it—and ignoring it when you don't—is . . . not principled judging. It is the very definition of 'WILL instead of JUDGMENT'—stare decisis 'only when I say so.'" Planned Parenthood of Greater Texas, Inc. v. Kauffman, 981 F.3d 347, 386 (5th Cir. 2020) (Ho, J., concurring). It would "replace judicial hierarchy with judicial anarchy." M.D. v. Abbott, 977 F.3d 479, 483 (5th Cir. 2020).
Our precedents apply absolute prosecutorial immunity in cases just like this. The panel majority has nevertheless decided to allow this suit to proceed to the merits. As an originalist, I may cheer this result. But I doubt that our prosecutorial immunity precedent permits it.
Well said. As an originalist, I cheer the dubitante opinion an exemplary of lower-court originalism: faithfully follow precedent, even if it is not supported by original meaning, but shine a light on why those precedents are flawed. In time, hopefully, this originalism in the lower trickles up to the Supreme Court. The trickle-up effect is a hell of a lot better than the Supreme Court's current leak-out effect.
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No one should have absolute immunity.
Including drug makers.
Immunity justifies violent retaliation in formal logic. Formal logic should be supreme over all laws and ratified treaties. It has more certainty than the laws of physics. Failing to make it supreme is a denial of reality, and violates Fifth Amendment procedural due process rights to a fair hearing.
The contrapositive of a true assertion is always true. All bats are mammals (A>B is true). This animal is not a mammal, it cannot be a bat. (Not B > not A is always true).
Legal liability was a great invention 8000 years ago to replace endless cycles of retaliatory violence between parties. Contracts replaced hostage taking to enforce promises that were no longer desirable. Therefore immunity fully justifies violence, including murder of the immune person.
Immunity should be replaced with professional standards of due so the judges and prosecutors may regulate themselves. These now stink. They prosecute 10% of common law crimes, and 0% of the 100 million internet crimes. When they have a guy, 20% of the time, it is the wrong guy. No other occupation stinks as badly as they do. Imagine those stats for a car mechanic, only fixes 10% of broken cars, does the wrong repair 20% of the time he does fix a car. Dude would be arrested as a threat to public safety. That is trus of our stinking judges and prosecutors. They stink.
Idiot incel.
Hi, Queenie. Doll, what is your preferred pronoun?
Idiot and incel. Also, note, big Trump fan!
For those of us who sometimes need a decoder ring.
Legal Definition of dubitante
: having doubts —used of a judge who expresses doubt about but does not dissent from a decision reached by a court
Thank goodness you explained that. I was sure that Judge Ho was making an appearance in his ball gown.
Shades of Judge Selya = dubitante
I had no idea what it was.
Is there a real-world difference between a dubitante and a dissent? Either way, this goes down as a 2-1 decision correct?
Maybe they could emulate the NHL and go with 2-0-1, with the 1 being like an overtime loss.
"As an originalist, I cheer the dubitante opinion an exemplary of lower-court originalism: faithfully follow precedent, even if it is not supported by original meaning, but shine a light on why those precedents are flawed. In time, hopefully, this originalism in the lower trickles up to the Supreme Court. The trickle-up effect is a hell of a lot better than the Supreme Court's current leak-out effect."
Today's pop quiz- identify everything wrong with this excerpt, starting with Blackman's use of "exemplary."
Answer: Nothing, including sussing out people like loki13 who love tyranny.
I guess one man's tyranny is another man's highlighting of Josh B's egregious abuse of the English language.
It’s just a typo, “an” should be “as”. And there is a missing word in a later sentence, but that should be obvious to a post-middle-school reader.
"As an originalist. . . ."
Prof. Blackman,
Can you tell us what flavor of originalist you are?
Framework Originalism
Intrinsicist Originalism
Instrumental Originalism
Original Intent
Original Meaning
Original Methods Originalism
Original Public Meaning
Semantic Originalism
Structuralism
Textualism
I know an instrumental originalist. He prefers the harpsichord to the piano.
"while we were all losing our minds about Dobbs,"
Speak for yourself Josh
They were.
I wonder why Blackman decided to blog about this case...
Judge Ho's opinion cited a law review article by Josh, so Josh writes a blog post about Judge Ho's opinion, making sure to include the part that cites him.
It's
turtlesJoshs all the way down.My favorite thing this morning was having to scroll through what appeared to be infinite images of Josh* to get to the posts below.
It's like the VC is a shrine to Our Glorious Leader('s ego).
*I do not know if ever there has been quite so large a mismatch between a person's desire to have their image everywhere, and ... the person's image.
Let's all just hope that young Captain Blackman never gets assigned to command the Republican artillery at the siege of Toulon.
Go ahead, mock, Democrats. You seem so intelligent doing that.
Absolute and qualified immunity has zero basis is the Constitution and is completely judge made up. There is no reason to keep it.
Stare decisis is a fairly strong, although not always good, reason.
Stare decisis. We made cars this way in 1915. We cannot change that today. Even the Catholic Church has renounced Scholasticism in the 19th Century. You cannot find the evidence of God in nature. Belief in God comes from faith. Only the stupidest people in this country still practice Scholasticism, the American lawyer, the stupidest person ever.
Immunity made judges stink. If you believe torts improve a practice, why exempt yourself from improving?
It is not a Constitutional doctrine. It is based on the Supreme Court's interpretation of a federal statute, which assumed that common law immunities were meant to survive the Congressional enactment. Congress is free to change this, but has never done so.
This is a particularly egregious case. The prosecutor and the sherriff coerced a young witness to perjure himself to convict the accused. Or so the plaintiff alleges. This is certainly a poster case for reforming these immunities. Meanwhile, if the allegations are true, a criminal indictment against these people is in order. The immunity does not apply to criminal charges, only civil charges.
And who, precisely, is going to press charges?
In theory, the local US Attorney's office. In practice, likely no one.
Precisely. Perhaps we need something like exists [existed?] in England, where private citizens can prosecute criminal charges. Perhaps the argument can be made that if common law implies prosecutorial immunity, it also provides for private prosecution.
42 USC 1983 clearly says that it applies to every person excusing judicial officers for an act of omission. It does not mention any common law immunities. It is just weird to assume that Congress intended to keep those immunities when they passed a law that does not keep them.
Of course it was "completely judge made up." That's what all common law is. Nobody thinks the Constitution requires any of these immunities, it's a question of statutory interpretation. The statute, however, says nothing about immunities, just as it says nothing about, for example, subject-matter jurisdiction, the time for bringing the action, or the substantive standards that determine whether a litigant has a claim. All it says is that you can sue somebody -- though it doesn't say where, when, or how -- who has violated rights granted somewhere else, under color of law. Period.
Everything else has to be made up by judges, including whether there are any immunities. When statutes leave as many holes as this statute does, the natural place to turn is either state law (for certain procedural questions like the statute of limitations) or the common law. This was a well-known judicial practice in 1871 and is well-known now, though less common because statutes now tend to be more comprehensive. Congress surely expected some such work to be done with this statute over the years, but retains power to change anything it thinks the courts, doing their common-law thing, got wrong. Congress can't take the benefit of not having to spell everything out in its statutes and then complain when it has to correct common-law based results it doesn't like. So if Congress thought recognizing immunities was a mistake, it has ample power, and has had ample time, to make the necessary changes.
The real issue, though, is whether common-law elaboration of a statute is restricted to the (not so) precise meets and bounds of the common law as of 1871. Judge Ho and others seem to think it a decisive objection to immunity doctrines that they are not now understood in precisely the same manner as at least some courts, maybe even the majority of them, understood them in 1871. But in 1871, as now, Congress knew that the common law is not frozen in amber and is always subject to changes, so whether a Congresscritter in 1871 had a particular understanding of common-law immunities that differs from what courts later elaborated, I don't see why that is so important.
That's "metes and bounds." There ought to be an editing feature.
To me (a non-lawyer), prosecutorial immunity makes no sense. How can unaccountable people demand accountability from others? Doesn't such glaring hypocrisy erode credibility of the courts? A prosecutor recently tried to have a medical doctor convicted of murder for the deaths of his patients from medicines he prescribed. If the doctor is not immune from criminal prosecution for professional errors, how can a prosecutor be immune from even a civil lawsuit, even for willful misconduct? Maybe there are deep structural reasons for this that a layperson like me can't see. But doesn't it matter that government workings make at least some sense to laypeople? Absolute prosecutorial immunity just doesn't.
So here's the explanation. Ignoring the legal issues, there is a strong policy reason for it. Or at least, to have barriers to suing prosecutors.
Start with the principle of "meta-litigation." As a general rule, our system abhors meta-litigation (litigation about litigation). It's why torts like malicious prosecution and abuse of process are so disfavored, and why there are so many rules and doctrines to keep people from litigating about the litigation. A good example of this is the "litigation privilege," or "Noerr-Pennington" which is the concept that most of what an attorney says in litigation or the action of bringing a suit can't, itself, be actionable.
Now, think about prosecutors. They are always involved in litigation. And they will occasionally either (a) get things wrong, or (b) get things right, but have people sue them anyway because, hey, what else are you going to do in prison? The idea here is that we, as a society, don't want prosecutors tied up, endlessly defending suits by the people they have put away. And protecting that is so valuable that even if there is an occasional abuse, we'd rather error on the side of protection.
In addition, courts and the state bar are supposed to police egregious abuses. Because there are ethical issues involved.
Now ... I think that all of this is true, but IMO, there is definitely an issue when there seems to be little policing from courts, bar associations, and the like.
Anyway, that's the gist.
"The idea here is that we, as a society, don't want prosecutors tied up, endlessly defending suits by the people they have put away." You mean, judges and prosecutors do not have time to be held accountable for their carelessness? These are the laziest, most worthless government workers of all. Their time is worth nothing. They are stupid trash, and worthless rent seekers. They prosecute 10% of common law crimes, and 0% of internet crimes. They force innocent people into plea deals. Meanwhile murders are surging everywhere. People are breaking glass in stores and helping themselves with utmost immunity.
Do you believe in torts? Doctors are far busier and far more productive than judges and prosecutors. So are store managers being extorted by fake slip and fall con artists. So are train conductors sued when a redneck in a 1986 Camaro fails to beat the train at a crossing. Too busy is the best justification for this self dealt immunity? Take a hike. That is really stupid. If you do not want to be sued, be careful in your work.
"b) get things right, but have people sue them anyway because, hey, what else are you going to do in prison? "
The clerk should be allowed to dismiss a frivolous claim, the prosecutor does not even have to hear about it. If a claim is filed to harass a careful prosecutor, the prison should get 10 lashes, as he should for attacking a guard. The second offense should get 20, then 30, 40. If he dies from the lash, so much the better for the taxpayer.
there is definitely an issue when there seems to be little policing from courts, bar associations, and the like.
Ay, there's the rub.
You could include prosecutors' superiors as well, I think.
If you ever come in the sights of a prosecutor you are in for a miserable time, whether you have done anything wrong or not. You will find that no one has more power over you than that individual, and the stresses and costs you must bear are generally ignored.
I do not think, based on my experience, that our legal system adequately takes this into account, or imposes sufficient limitations on prosecutorial power.
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
"the concept that most of what an attorney says in litigation or the action of bringing a suit can't, itself, be actionable" makes sense on general free-speech grounds. Why the accepted limits on free speech (e.g. on provable defamation) don't apply in court is less clear. Especially for things that aren't just speech, e.g. decisions to bring unsupportable charges.
"even if there is an occasional abuse, we'd rather error on the side of protection" -- the "we" who make the rules being judges, it's hard to avoid the impression of "they're just protecting their own". And in cases of prosecuting people for professional misconduct, the hypocrisy of doing so from behind immunity for such misconduct is still glaring. Dante put hypocrites below murderers in his Inferno...
Thanks again for the explanation.
"Maybe there are deep structural reasons for this that a layperson like me can't see."
Yea, thugs with weapons. Did you see Braveheart? Scumbag mass murderer Edward I, a favorite of the lawyer, had a priest as a Judge, Henry of Bratton. This French asshole said, the sovereign speaks with the voice of God. Edward had the soldiers and weapons to enforce that psychotic delusion. It goes no further than their self dealt immunity, and the scumbags on the Supreme Court agreeing. Congress needs to crush the self dealing scumbags with a Judiciary Act. Congress should impeach the scumbags for their decisions, not for any collateral corruption.
They are scum. They are almost always wrong. They stink. Make them carry insurance and compensate the victims of their carelessness.
As with most of these judge made principles (mootness, standing, immunity), the only reason is "SHUT UP THE GOVERNMENT SHALL WIN BECAUSE WE LOVE EM"
May prosecutorial absolute immunity go the way of Roe v Wade. Quickly.
Prosecutorial immunity is just a fancy way of saying "F*ck you, the government wins!"
BINGO
It's another example of how all those conservatives who preach small government are full of shit.
No, it really isn't.
Frankly, I think Judge Ho's premise on the case is week. Everyone agrees that prosecutorial immunity is based on funtionality -- the person has to be functioning as a prosecutor. Employment as an ADA is not carte blanche to do anything that violates someone's rights. If a prosecutor decides to help the cops arrest someone, then he is not acting as a prosecutor, even if the rest of the day he is so acting.
It follows that you have to examine carefully what the person was doing that is the basis of the civil rights claim. Here they found a witness, interviewed him, and set up his testimony. That sure sounds like what cops do, not prosecutors. Calling the difference "razor thin" just avoids the nature of the inquiry, IMO.
Except that there was a prior case in which the prosecution found a witness, interviewed him, and set up his testimony, and was given immunity. The distinction this court drew was that in that case the prosecutor did so while prepping the witness to testify, and in this case the prosecutor did it while trying to create the case in the first place. That's a bit thin.
I'd rather have hair-splitting in favor of accountability rather than against it, to be sure.
" "[A] principle is not a principle until it costs you." Lefebure v. D'Aquilla, 15 F.4th 650, 663 (5th Cir. 2021) (citing Psalm 15:4 (honoringthose [sic] who "keep[ ] an oath even when it hurts")). "
Has citing the Bible in an ostensibly reasoning, reality-based, public legal opinion become a thing among clingers?
(If we are going to rely on authority from fictional works, there is much better material in Animal House, Caddyshack, Stripes, and a few other great cultural and spiritual works.)
(And has there ever been a brief filed in any American proceeding that could not be improved by this award-worthy legal authority?)
One may beat the rap, but you will not beat the ‘ride’.