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My NBC Article on the Confirmation of Supreme Court Nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson
It explains why many of the reasons GOP senators gave for opposing Jackson were ridiculous, but also that there is nothing inherently wrong in opposing a qualified "mainstream" nominee based on differences over judicial philosophy.

NBC has just published my column on the confirmation of President Biden's Supreme Court nominee, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson. Here is an excerpt:
On Thursday, Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson, President Joe Biden's nominee for the Supreme Court, was confirmed by a 53-47 vote in the Senate. Only three Republican senators joined all 50 Democrats in supporting her. Many of the specific objections that Republicans raised during Jackson's confirmation hearings were ridiculous and off-base. But another line of objection to her nomination was eminently reasonable, even if still disputable: her judicial philosophy….
While GOP senators had every right to oppose Jackson, the reasons many of them gave were dubious, at best. The issue they raised most often during the confirmation hearings was her supposed softness in sentencing defendants convicted of offenses involving images of child sexual abuse. As conservative criminal justice expert Andrew McCarthy explained in detail in two National Review articles, Jackson's rulings in these cases were well within normal parameters.
Even more risible than the pornography accusation was Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's charge that Jackson's pre-judicial career as a public defender indicates she has a "a natural inclination in the direction of the criminal" because a public defender's "heart is with the murderers, the criminals … that's who they're rooting for."
Cruz's demagoguery was topped by that of Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas, who charged that Jackson might have wanted to defend the Nazi leaders tried at Nuremberg for war crimes following World War II. The insinuation that she is somehow sympathetic to Nazis is absurd….
Despite such ridiculous excesses, Republicans weren't necessarily wrong to oppose Jackson's nomination because of her judicial philosophy. To his credit, GOP Sen. Ben Sasse of Nebraska clearly stated that he based his opposition on such grounds, while recognizing that Jackson has "impeccable credentials" and "is an extraordinary person with an extraordinary American story."
Sasse and other Republicans could reasonably expect that a liberal nominee would have significant reservations about their preferred approach to interpreting the Constitution, and often cast votes inimical to conservatives on important issues such as affirmative action and gun rights…. My own view is that Jackson probably deserved to be confirmed because her positions are likely as good or better than those of realistically feasible alternatives. But reasonable senators could differ with that assessment….
Senators have just as much right to consider judicial philosophy when voting on confirmation as presidents do when deciding whom to nominate in the first place. The methodology a justice uses in reaching decisions is an important part of the job she performs. As then-Illinois Sen. Barack Obama put it in defending his vote against George W. Bush nominee Samuel Alito, "meaningful advice and consent [by the Senate]… includes an examination of a judge's philosophy, ideology, and record," as well as "intellect" and "personal character."
In today's polarized Senate, such opposition is routine. The last Supreme Court justice to be confirmed with overwhelming bipartisan support was the one Jackson will replace: Justice Stephen Breyer, confirmed by an 87-9 vote back in 1994. Since then, a large percentage of senators in the party opposing the president who made the selection have objected to every nominee, beginning with Chief Justice John Roberts. Roberts got 22 opposing votes among the then-45 Senate Democrats (and one Democrat-aligned independent). After that, every Supreme Court nominee to come to a vote has been opposed by over 75 percent of senators from the other party. Biden was among the Democratic senators who joined Obama in voting against Alito on judicial philosophy grounds. They also both voted against Roberts.
Some argue that differences over judicial philosophy should be set aside if the nominee's views are "mainstream." But most of the Supreme Court's worst decisions were within the judicial mainstream of their day, including Dred Scott and Plessy v. Ferguson. Jackson is well within the mainstream of liberal legal thought, just as recent Republican nominees were all well within the conservative mainstream. That doesn't necessarily mean they will avoid terrible errors. A senator who sincerely believes a mainstream nominee's views will lead to awful results can legitimately take that into account in deciding how to vote.
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Just for reference, the last 4 GOP nominations to the SCOTUS have gotten
1. 4 Democratic votes
2. 3 Democratic votes
3. 1 Democratic votes
4. 0 Democratic votes.
Over at 538, they have a chart of confirmation votes since 1950. Until Sotomayor, every nominee significantly opposed by the opposing party was nominated by a Republican. (I'll give them Bork as a freebe.)
All that really happened with Sotomayor is that Republicans started voting on nominees in the same manner Democrats had been.
Are you forgetting Abe Fortas's nomination for Chief Justice?
Why would any Democrat in their right mind vote for any of those Republicans? They are guaranteed to vote against core Democratic priorities.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here, because it's true. That said, it's Dems (and Somin, but I repeat myself) who are whining that not enough Republicans voted for KBJ.
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April.7.2022 at 6:28 pm
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Why would any Democrat in their right mind vote for any of those Republicans? They are guaranteed to vote against core socialist priorities.
corrected that statement for you - you are welcom
Because that's not how it's supposed to work.
Quit making sense!
That's a bit disingenuous as Roberts received 23 Democratic (plus one who caucused with the Democrats) votes. More than Sotomayor, Kagan, and Garland combined.
Sotomayor - 10 Republican votes
Kagan - 5 Republican votes
Garland - 0 Republican votes, but, of course, he wasn't even allowed to get a vote.
Garland, obviously, was a pretty large escalation. Republicans made up a new "principle" which they promptly violated. Republicans made nominations explicitly partisan which will not be good for the country.
Alito was a pre-Obama outlier, but he voted to uphold a spousal notification law on a 3rd Circuit panel in Casey, which was contrary to Supreme Court precedent. The fact that he didn't apply Supreme Court abortion precedent as a 3rd Circuit Judge is a valid reason not to vote to confirm him. As Roberts' confirmation just months before showed, Democrats would still give substantial votes to a more mainstream, more qualified nominee.
Republicans made nominations explicitly partisan which will not be good for the country.
If he were alive, Robert Bork would like to have a word with you...
Bork would have been disaster.
Look up his record before contributing to the martyrdom narrative.
It's bullshit.
Bork was not voted down for partisan reasons, though.
Which is why I declared him a freebie.
But the fact remains that Democrats stopped automatically voting for Republican nominees long before Republicans started voting that way.
Not sure that's established, but what is quite clear is Republicans started automatically voting *against* Democratic nominees well before Democrats started voting that way.
You can slice the stats all you want to create equivocal past narratives, but what's undeniable is the post-Garland era we're living in.
You have no facts or links on your side. And are wrong again.
Since you're too lazy to look...
https://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/nominations/Nominations.shtml
Explain what exactly I'm looking for there.
What exactly proves 'Democrats stopped automatically voting for Republican nominees long before Republicans started voting that way?'
Perhaps this would be easier to interpret.
As you can see, high levels of support for Republican nominees stopped being the Democratic norm in the 1960's, but remained the Republican norm for Democratic nominees until 2009.
Two objections to that formulation:
1) As I noted below, trends are less important than the norm changes that happen based on specific events.
2) Another explanation would be about the type of nominees the two parties put up. It's structurally easier for Dems to put up a 'mainstream' candidate without issue because that's where the legal academia is. Republican nominees, especially pre-Federalist Society, are going to tend towards being ...lets say ideologically quirkier.
Who are your examples from the 60's of nominees not getting high levels of Democratic support? Because if they are Haynesworth and Carswell, they also got historically low levels of their own party's support.
Haynsworth's nomination failed because he affirmed a decision by Prince Edward County schools to close rather than integrate. As noted, he only got 60% of his own party to support him.
Carswell's nomination failed because he said this: I yield to no man, as a fellow candidate or as a fellow citizen, in the firm, vigorous belief in the principles of white supremacy, and I shall always be so governed. It's why he also only received 68% of the Republican vote.
So, yeah, I expect you would see it as outrageous that Democrats opposed these two men. But most of us would agree they had serious defects as nominees beyond "judicial philosophy."
Rehnquist would be your other outlier, but he also was a vocal supporter of segregation, having advocated to Nixon a constitutional amendment that would have allowed segregation.
So, yeah, Democrats voted against Republican nominees who openly supported segregation and/or opposed integration. That you think that wasn't a legitimate, non-partisan reason to oppose these nominations says something about you, not the nomination process.
*Note: For those who keep wanting to pretend the Democrats are the party of segregation, these are two fine examples proving the incontrovertible point that the racists fled (and/or were chased out of) the Democratic party in the 1960s precisely because it became the party of integration and equal rights for all.
Of course, today that would explain why he would get 98% of the Republican vote.
" Another explanation would be about the type of nominees the two parties put up. It's structurally easier for Dems to put up a 'mainstream' candidate"
When you take it as a given that Democrats are entitled to define the "mainstream".
Brett:
When you take it as a given that Democrats are entitled to define the "mainstream".
Doubling down on pro-segregationist, white supremacists being mainstream!
Or do you have other examples from the '60s? Or are you just trying to avoid talking about specifics because you love your platitudes?
Just looking at the statistics, not making moral judgements on the nominees. It's clear that Democrats have not regarded themselves as having any sort of obligation to let a Republican President have his nominees for a very long time. Again, the only thing that's changed is that Republicans have taken that stance, too, instead of automatically giving Democratic Presidents their choices.
"Doubling down on pro-segregationist, white supremacists being mainstream!"
Nope, noticing that you seem to think nominees like Barret or Kavanaugh weren't "mainstream", but nominees who approve of CRT somehow are.
Brett,
Republicans nominated openly racist people for the Supreme Court in the 1960s and that's why they were voted down. Now you want to just look at the pattern, but there aren't enough Supreme Court nominations for that sort of statistical analysis to have any validity. You have to consider the individual circumstances and, when it is leaked that a nominee said he believes in "white supremacy", those circumstances pretty clearly justify votes against. Or do you disagree?
(If you agree, then that comes out of the data set, because that doesn't fit your alleged pattern of voting on partisanship. And then same for Haynesworth. And everyone upstream agrees Bork was a special case. Take them out and you have nothing.)
You may want to look at a pattern of Republican Presidents nominating people with known character flaws and/or racist beliefs, though.
I didn't say anything about Kavanaugh or Barrett. You're just trying to change the subject. And you're lying about nominees "who approve of CRT".
"You may want to look at a pattern of Republican Presidents nominating people with known character flaws and/or racist beliefs, though."
That's kind of hilarious; You think Democrats don't do that? Basically all the support for racial discrimination on the Court is from Democratic nominees. Maybe you mean racist beliefs different from Democrats'?
Sure, Brett. Ginsburg and Breyer were notorious anti-white racists and Republicans overwhelmingly voted to confirm them anyway. That's hilarious.
Brett, you continue to studiously ignore Carswell and Haynesworth who you brought up as examples of when "things changed." Is that because you think their pro-segregation (and, in the former's case, explicit white supremacist views) did not disqualify them from that office? Or are you just unwilling to admit that the pattern you allege emphatically did not start in the 1960s?
The fact that you are comparing Ginsburg and Breyer with Carswell and Haynesworth (implying the former two are more racist or at least as racist as the latter two) is not just wrong, it's disgustingly wrong.
Not true, Brett.
Look up Bork's role in the Saturday Night Massacre, his own statement in his memoirs that he got Nixon to agree to give him a Supreme Court nomination if Bork would do what two prior men of more integrity wouldn't do, that is, betray the country by covering up Nixon's crimes via sacking the special prosecutor investigating them.
Robert "Inkblot" Bork didn't get tanked for partisan reasons. He was not within the mainstream AND he had serious character flaws. Exhume that corpse all you want. It just raises questions about how Republican nominees get their nominations.
That is not what Bork said in his memoir. What he said was that after the SNM, Nixon went to him and promised him the next SCOTUS nomination. Bork wrote that he didn't know whether Nixon actually mistakenly thought he could get a nomination through the senate, or whether Nixon was just trying to buy Bork's loyalty.
Moreover, you are mistaken. Bork, Richardson, and Ruckleshaus all agreed that Bork should do it. Richardson and Ruckleshaus had promised the senate in their confirmation hearings that they wouldn't, so they couldn't obey the order. Bork had not. He discussed with the other two whether he should resign, and they told him not to because that would essentially leave DOJ with no leadership.
The promised Supreme Court nomination to Bork was pretty clearly a promised reward for Bork's loyalty in, again, sacking the special prosecutor in an effort to derail the Watergate investigation.
And this defense:
"'The President and Mr. Cox had gotten themselves, without my aid, into a position of confrontation,'' Judge Bork has said. ''There was never any question that Mr. Cox, one way or another, was going to be discharged. At that point you would have had massive resignations from the top levels of Justice."
(Note how he engages in bothsiderism. Kind of like saying Russia and Ukraine have gotten themselves into a position of confrontation. There is only one responsible party in both situations. Bork's framing gives away his lack of integrity. Nixon was incensed that Cox was doing his job with integrity and proficiency, such that he was about to obtain the tapes that proved Nixon's criminality.)
And why massive resignations? Because what the President was asking was wrong. Fundamentally wrong, as Richardson said. But Bork did it anyway. Because he was worried the next guy, and the next, and the next, and the next would have the integrity to resign. So Bork says, "the DOJ needs someone with a little less integrity and I am the man for that job." As a reward, he got the promise of a Supreme Court nomination and that was delivered by a future President. So, sure, there were concerns about the hollowing out of the Department of Justice because anyone of integrity would resign rather than do what Nixon was asking. So Bork did it. And he was offered a Supreme Court nomination as a result.
Any way you slice it, it isn't a good look for Bork's character. It was absolutely legitimate not to vote against him given that past.
And just to be clear this is not exonerating:
Bork wrote that he didn't know whether Nixon actually mistakenly thought he could get a nomination through the senate, or whether Nixon was just trying to buy Bork's loyalty.
It shows that Nixon agrees with me that he believed Bork could be bought with the promise of a Supreme Court nomination. One more character witness against Bork. In Bork's own words.
It doesn't show either, because Bork says it only happened after Bork had already fired Cox. Nixon never mentioned it beforehand.
David,
Seriously?
Bork himself says Nixon made the offer to get loyalty. You place way too much emphasis on the fact that the offer was after firing Cox. You are right, and I was wrong: Nixon did not offer it before the firing to induce Bork to fire Cox. But that still leaves the possibility that Bork was rewarded for being loyal for firing Cox.
For example, Trump pardoned Manafort after Manafort refused to "turn" on him (in Trump's words). That wasn't a payoff for loyalty?
Your argument amounts to saying, but the pardon came after. Be serious.
And Bork makes it explicit that Nixon thought Bork would be loyal (or more loyal) to him as acting Attorney General in the midst of the Watergate investigation, if he offers the Supreme Court nomination. Nixon clearly thought Bork's loyalty (integrity) could be purchased with the promise of a Supreme Court nomination.
I would ask what other reason he had to make that promise to someone he probably didn't even know about six months before and who was, again, the acting Attorney General in the midst of a criminal investigation that Nixon knew could implicate him in a crime. You are way too naive if you think he was just bowled over by Bork's sterling mind and it occurred to him that he would make a good Justice. But I don't have to ask that question, because Bork makes it clear in his memoirs that he knew Nixon was dangling it as a loyalty carrot.
Nixon sized up Bork and thought he could buy his integrity. He came to that conclusion after Bork sacked Cox when men of better character wouldn't.
Yes, they were all worried everyone down to the mail room clerk would also resign rather than carry out the order, so Bork agreed to do it. But that is damning, not exonerating.
Sure. But Bork is not morally culpable for the fact that Nixon thought this.
Come on. Nixon was not Donald Trump, a game show host whose only exposure to nominees was what they had previously said about him on Fox News. Nixon was a lawyer himself and a consummate Washington insider. (I know who all sorts of prominent Yale Law professors are, and I'm not a Washington insider.) The idea that Nixon didn't know who Bork was is not plausible.
The pardon came after, but the promise came before.
Yup. There were opposing camps in the Nixon White House arguing both for and against Bork, but it seems likely that Ronald Reagan's 1987 nomination of Robert Bork to the Supreme Court marked the first time a President knowingly nominated someone so out-of-even-GOP-mainstream radically revanchist that he was the one traditionally well-qualified Republican with very little realistic chance of confirmation (though might have been a closer thing had it not been for his Saturday Night Massacre role—no matter his post facto rationale, that was the clincher).
But in a Democratic Senate, he still received full hearings and an up-or-down vote on the floor. Yes, opposition was led by Ted Kennedy, but Bork's 58-42 defeat was bipartisan: two D's & 40 R's for, 52 D's & six R's against.
It's an article of faith in the right-winger sacrament that "The Borking" was the beginning of the escalating tit-for-tat confirmation wars (and resulting incremental narrowing of the filibuster) of the following decades. And in that, they're almost right. But the initial trigger was not that he was voted down—it was the preceding political weaponization of a SCOTUS nomination, with some in the White House arguing that a defeat in the Democratic Senate would go far in motivating an increasingly extremist (and increasingly Southern) base.
Exactly this.
How many votes did Harriet Miers get?
Oh, that's right - the same number as Garland. But even though never getting a vote is the most common way to fail a SCOTUS nomination, there are dishonest people desperate to pretend that Garland was something new.
Harriet Miers withdrew her own nomination, largely at the urging of Republicans.
The only nominees in recent history who wanted an up or down vote but were denied are Merrick Garland and Abe Fortas.
Miers withdrew her nomination because it was made clear she would never make it out of committee - this would also have denied her an "up and down vote".
LOL, trying to compare Miers to Garland?
Even attempting that comparison says a lot about your relationship with facts, because those are completely different situations.
Yeah, because Garland would have created new rights to kill babies or sodomize little children, while Miers may not have.
Then go ahead and explain how the situations are completely different.
Because they aren't - they were nominations by the President that the Senate made clear would not pass.
Jesus.
One was blocked by the opposing party.
One was blocked by the same party that made the nomination.
Did you not know that?
"LOL, trying to compare Miers to Garland?"
Garland has pretty well shat on his legacy and reputation of not being a partisan hack pretty badly.
Garland has turned out to be highly partisan as demonstrated by his behavior as attorney general
How so? Trump, Giuliani and Eastman have not been charged, thanks only to Garland.
1) That is incredibly stupid.
2) That is incredibly stupid.
3) That is incredibly dishonest.
4) That was posted by Joe_dallas.
"That's a bit disingenuous"
How so...?
You have to go back 5 SCOTUS nominees for the GOP to exceed just 3 SCOTUS nominees for Democrats. If you do the same 5 nominees for Democrats, you start getting to Breyer and Ginsburg, who got dozens of GOP votes. Keep going further back for the GOP and you get to Thomas who got minimal numbers of votes from the Democrats.
You are treating history like a continuum, which is absolutely the wrong analysis.
Maybe the trend is important, but you cannot neglect the sudden changes everyone is talking about. post-Bork, post-nuclear, post-post-Garland, and post-ACB.
That is how people think of SCOTUS nominations, not whatever vote-competition you whipped up here.
Please come back when you're not "lazy" and can back up your assertions with facts and links.
Which assertion requires sources? I'm attacking your analysis; that does not need sources.
You need to think harder before you just lash out.
You're lazy. Your attack has no specifics, just vague generalities and allusions. Come back when you can actually make a definitive attack with facts and references.
Until then, you're a lazy joke.
I was pretty clear with my issue - you were framing the issue as a continuum and not specific norm-changing points. I even listed the points.
Because it's taking issue with something you posted, I don't need facts.
This debate school cargo cult nonsense is not going to fly very well.
You started your count at Alito. Roberts was mere months before. Thus, pretending Democrats started voting along purely partisan lines in 2005 is disingenuous.
And your "5 SCOTUS nominees" versus "3 SCOTUS nominees" is, frankly, a stupid way to count.
But let's play that game, how many nominees back do you have to count to get the first time a Democrat-controlled Senate refused to give a vote to a Republican nominee? You only have to count back 2 SCOTUS nominees to find a Democratic nominee refused a vote by Republicans. I stopped looking in the 1890's, but you can keep counting and report back to us if you want.
Don't pretend the refusal to even vote on a qualified nominee did not change the game.
(And don't try Miers, she asked that her nomination be withdrawn because Republicans didn't want her and were in near revolt.)
"You started your count at Alito. Roberts was mere months before. Thus, pretending Democrats started voting along purely partisan lines in 2005 is disingenuous."
-How so? Wasn't it 2005 when they started voting along purely partisan lines?
"And your "5 SCOTUS nominees" versus "3 SCOTUS nominees" is, frankly, a stupid way to count."
-It's not "my" way. It's more what you did, so, yes, it's stupid. Strictly speaking, you should either pick a year to start from, or pick an equal number of justices on both sides. The fact YOU compared 3 nominees on the Dem side to 5 on the GOP side was misleading.
"But let's play that game,..."
If you want to play that game, Democrats would've done the same in the GOP's shoes. Being honest with yourself, you'd realize that. And in fact, they did that too Gorsuch, with the fillibuster, stopping an up or down vote. Only difference being they didn't have the majority then.
"Don't pretend the refusal to even vote on a qualified nominee did not change the game."
Democrats been doing that for years for other judges. This just happened to be a SCOTUS justice.
Realistically, looking back, Democrats have been obstructionist on the SCOTUS since Rehnquist. They failed there. But then they succeeded with Bork, getting a Kennedy instead (who just happened to be a rather liberal justice). They got a liberal justice in Souter, but then an actual conservative in Thomas they tried to get rid of again. The GOP gave Stevens and Ginsberg (hard liberals) pretty free passes. And then you had Roberts, who is a moderate, and still didn't get as many cross party votes as Stevens or Ginsberg. Alito was really the last straw for the GOP...another eminently qualified judge, who only picked up 4 Democratic votes.
So after Bork, after Thomas, after even a moderate like Roberts was voted against by ~half the Democrats, and especially after Alito.... Finally, the GOP clued on. If that's how the Democrats were going to play the game, then they'd change how they'd vote too.
Stevens was nominated by Gerald Ford.
Apologies, Breyer, not Stevens.
Armchair,
Strictly speaking, you should either pick a year to start from, or pick an equal number of justices on both sides.
No, you can only pick a year because Presidents aren't elected from alternating parties on a regular basis and, more importantly, justices are nominated on any regular basis. Your counting backwards by Justices is, objectively, stupid.
If you want to play that game, Democrats would've done the same in the GOP's shoes.
That's not the game. That's just imagining the other side is as power hungry as your side.
And in fact, they did that too Gorsuch, with the fillibuster, stopping an up or down vote.
Aside from being just factually wrong (they didn't stop an up or down vote on Gorsuch, as you well know), Gorsuch came after Republicans changed the rules with Garland, and Gorsuch was the nominee for the spot Garland was nominated for so of course Democrats weren't going to support him. You aren't dumb enough to believe that was a good comparison.
Realistically, looking back
Nope.
Rehnquist got a vote (and a seat).
Bork got a vote.
Kennedy got a vote.
Thomas got a vote.
And funny how you ignore O'Connor and Scalia, both of whom also got votes, nearly unanimous at that. Both had zero no votes, as did Stevens and Blackmun, that's 4 Republican nominees confirmed with no opposition, whereas there are no Democratic nominees confirmed without opposition.
Your obstructionist since Rehnquist charge is counterfactual.
Republicans fundamentally changed things when they denied Garland a vote. Prior to that, merit mattered and nominees with flaws would get voted against. But sterling nominees would get majority support from both parties.
(And note, you are comparing a total of four Democratic nominees to fifteen Republican nominees "since Rehnquist". If Democrats had made 15 nominations, perhaps several of them would have been objectionable such that Republicans would have voted against them. And no, this doesn't mean you should count backwards by nominees. That's still stupid. The point is that you have to look at individual nominations, not divine some pattern from a very small, skewed, and irregular data set. Rehnquist was pro-segregation, so yeah, Senators voted against him, but he got a vote. Bork had all his flaws, so he got voted down, but he got a vote. Etc. Until Garland. Republicans either didn't have the votes to vote him down if they went on record or they just didn't want to go on record because he wasn't flawed the way Bork was.
The Republicans' refusal to give Garland a vote was a declaration of pure partisan power politics with respect to Supreme Court nominations. It wasn't that before.
Let's not also forget the whole "Let's block Miguel Estrada from court appointment because he's Hispanic" nonsense they pulled.
The first in your list, Alito, had very extreme political views and I think Democrats were well justified in opposing him.
Roberts was nominated only a few months prior and got lots of Democratic support.
As for the three Trump nominees, the first should have been Obama's nominee, the second had multiple credible allegations of of sexual assaults that hadn't been fully investigated (not to mention his outburst suggesting retributions during the hearings), and the third happened in the midst of the election. Democratic opposition was well justified to all of these nominees.
There's no reason to think a non-controversial well qualified Republican nominee wouldn't get plenty of Democratic votes. On the other hand, Republican's don't seem to have any objection to Jackson other than her party.
Either way while the premise of the post is understandable, it's also a terrible idea for the US. The structure of the Senate gives it a heavy Republican bias. If an opening arises after the midterms, after Biden has lost the Senate, I suspect the GOP will try to hold it open until a new administration is in power and this post essentially endorses that strategy.
There always seems to be an excuse not to vote for the GOP nominee for Democrats....doesn't there?
Using your logic, Jackson should've have been voted in either. She doesn't have enough experience, and her decisions have been overly political in the past and overturned because of it.
Every Judge has cases overturned, hell, this SCOTUS has basically overturned it's own cases.
As for your criticisms... I don't see any evidence for them.
How can you folks go on and on with ot going to changethis pointless argument. The pattern of the 21st century is the new normal that is not going to change.
At present I don't see any appetite for accommodation in either party
"The first in your list, Alito, had very extreme political views and I think Democrats were well justified in opposing him."
Ginsburg did not? Yet she sailed through.
Sotomayor got 9 votes from the GOP. She also had out there political views.
KBJ certainly does. Yet the GOP is criticized, heavily, for bringing up...her judicial record.
"There's no reason to think a non-controversial well qualified Republican nominee wouldn't get plenty of Democratic votes. On the other hand, Republican's don't seem to have any objection to Jackson other than her party."
They specifically mentioned her leniency on child porn cases (which, as a non-lawyer, seem truly bad). Not sure how you missed that.
No. The GOP is criticized, heavily, for lying about her judicial record.
Her record on child porn cases is completely normal.
Judges from both parties routinely sentence below recommendations for child porn cases because those recommendations are politicized and not generally appropriate.
Ilya seems to be a Democrat attack dog hack. None of his criticism is substantial.
Jackson is an Ivy indoctrinated, big government, servant of Chinese Commie Party interest in taking down our nation from the inside. She is not even that bright nor learned. If ask what is a woman, the correct reply is this. The Supreme Court 135 times has said, the definition of a word is its dictionary definition. Go look up, woman, in the dictionary. Replying with silence at such a basic question because the woke are trying to destroy the fundamentals.
If you hate black people, you support Jackson. Black babies will continue to be slaughtered. Vicious black criminals will continue to be loosed on poor neighborhoods. Lawyers will continue to enrich themselves at the expense of minorities. She had the support of the woke billionaire owned media. She serves their interests.
Hey now, you're starting to make me a fan. Who doesn't hate black babies? I've got a Planned Parenthood clinic named after my late grandfather.
Did your late grandfather identify as a male or was he a bio male?
Did Ilya criticize the Senate when Kavanaugh was being witch hunted by feminist inquisitors?
Hi, Ilya. Watching TV. No Russian immigrants. Russian trash culture is more criminal than that of our diverses.
NBC? That is Bryan Roberts, an Ivy indoctrinated, far left Democrat attack dog. NBC is a hate speech propaganda outlet. What it hates most is America. Ilya should be ashamed of publishing on the moral equivalent of the David Duke website.
No one can overcome local culture. Ilya lives around the Washington Beltway, the capital of big government, rent seeking, and arrogant tyranny of the idiot savants, Ivy indoctrinated bookworms.
The only problem I see with this approach is that it will likely preclude the selection of a new justice when the Senate and the Presidency are held by different parties. Do we want to see an open seat for 2 to 8 years?
I would hope parties could take a more practical approach where the President get his choice when his party controls the Senate and where he gets a compromise candidate when the opposing party controls the Senate. I would therefore suggest that there must be a time limit for the Senate to vote on a nominee following nomination, say six months. They don't have to approve the candidate, but they cannot duck the vote.
When a President is faced with an empty seat and a hostile Senate, he could ask the Senate's advice. Perhaps a bipartisan list of acceptable compromise candidates could be maintained.
I do agree that there should be a formal requirement that Presidential nominees get an up/down vote. This would require a constitutional amendment, of course, and teeth; Perhaps the nominee would be automatically confirmed if not voted upon within your six months.
Obama did that and got preapproval and they didn't even give his nominee a hearing, let alone a vote.
Brett means a real President.
(Just kidding, Brett. Kinda.)
No, I mean real pre-approval.
Yep. The system certainly had issues to that point. That broke it. Republicans didn't have the stomach to vote the nomination down (or perhaps didn't have the vote), so Mitch used control of the Senate to allow them to tank the nomination without going on record with their vote. It was shameless and shameful.
Nominations will never be the same.
Of course, Republicans can shrug and gloat, because the Court is so stacked to the right, with strategic retirements, etc., it will be at least a generation before there's any possibility of a tilt back to the middle or left, no matter how many presidential elections Democrats win.
They should be careful in their gloating, however, as to what that means for their electoral success. Republicans rode Roe v. Wade to more than a few successes, it's probably the only reason a "Republican" as flawed as the candidate was even had a chance in 2016. More than one Republican voter: he sucks ass, but abortion.
The reason a horribly flawed republican had a chance in 2016 was Hillary Clinton. You underestimate how tired people are of the Clintons.
My mother, who volunteered in the civil rights movement in the south in the ‘60s and voted for Bill in ‘92, said to me the day after the ‘16 election that she was “glad that witch didn’t win”. People out in the less political part of the world have had it with their crap.
The last two elections have arguably been the worst in our history in terms of quality of the presidential candidates.
I don't underestimate how tired people were of the Clintons or how horrible a candidate Hillary was. She was an awful candidate.
That doesn't stop the case from being that she would have won a lot more votes (or the other guy would have lost a lot more votes) if Republican voters weren't willing to hold their noses to get anti-abortion judges. Maybe they would have held their noses for other reasons, and most would have, but I don't think they would have been as energized.
I absolutely agree that "The last two elections have arguably been the worst in our history in terms of quality of the presidential candidates."
No, Obama DIDN'T do that. Garland was not a choice the GOP recommended.
Look up Sen. Orrin Hatch's comments about Garland in 2010.
There clearly were Republicans that were fine with Garland as a SCOTUS nominee when he would be replacing a liberal. But they didn't want Obama to appoint anyone to replace Scalia. McConnell announced that no nominee would be considered before it had even been 24 hours after Scalia died. You can't find a compromise nominee if one side won't consider anyone at all.
Sure, you can stomach replacing a partisan hack with another partisan hack of the same sign. No net change on the Court, all you're forfeiting is a win that wasn't likely.
That doesn't mean you'll roll over and play dead when somebody attempts to replace YOUR partisan hack with a partisan hack of the opposing party.
So...who cares about the lying, my side got there's?!
Yeah, the real scandal is how Dems could possibly be pissed off at that kind of behavior.
You can't defend it, and then use this ends-justify-the-means nihilistic argument.
What lying? We've been over this before, Garland not getting a vote was a perfectly normal outcome if you look at the full history of Supreme court nominations, rather than cherry picking recent history.
I'll agree it was a dick move on McConnell's part, it's just that it wasn't unprecedented.
No, you can't just write out Hatch here.
You haven't brought up any comparable precedents, Brett. Because there are none in recent history (and perhaps all of Supreme Court history).
"Recent history" is doing all the work here. As Wikipedia notes, "There have been 37 unsuccessful nominations to the Supreme Court of the United States. Of these, 11 nominees were rejected in Senate roll-call votes, 11 were withdrawn by the president, and 15 lapsed at the end of a session of Congress." (Meaning, they didn't get a vote.)
"Millard Fillmore, the last member of the Whig Party to serve as president, made three nominations to replace John McKinley, nominating Edward A. Bradford, George Edmund Badger, and William C. Micou, but the Senate, controlled by the Democratic Party, did not take action on any of the nominees. Democratic President Franklin Pierce filled the vacancy with John Archibald Campbell."
"Early in 1881, President Rutherford B. Hayes nominated Thomas Stanley Matthews for the position of Associate Justice. Matthews was a controversial nominee due to his close ties to the railroad industry, and as the nomination came near the end of Hayes's term, the Senate did not act on it."
"President Warren G. Harding nominated Pierce Butler to the Supreme Court in 1922, but the Senate refused to consider his nomination, in part due to Butler's advocacy for railroad interests. However, Harding re-submitted the nomination later in the year, and Butler was confirmed in a 61–8 vote."
President Dwight D. Eisenhower nominated John Marshall Harlan II in 1954, but his nomination was not reported out of the judiciary committee, in part due to opposition to his purported "ultra-liberal" views. Eisenhower re-nominated Harlan in 1955, and the Senate confirmed him in a 71–11 vote.
If anything is unusual here, it is that neither Garland nor Obama withdrew the nomination once it became evident the Senate was going to ignore it.
You still haven't brought up any comparable precedents, Brett. You have to go back 150 years to get anything even remotely resembling the Garland situation. Butler and Harlan got votes and were confirmed.
Butler was ultimately confirmed the month after his first nomination (November 1922, then nominated and confirmed in December 1922). Not comparable.
Harlan was ultimately confirmed four months after his initial nomination (November 1954, confirmed in March 1955). Not comparable.
The Republicans who denied Garland the vote kept saying it was consistent with practice for the most recent 80, or 100, or 120, they had to keep changing years each time their example was shown to be bull. So, yeah, we pretty much all agree the way nominations were handled were based on the 1900s precedents, not some examples from the 1800s.
But when a look at history shows, conclusively, that the Garland nomination was treated differently than any for the past 120 years, now you want to pretend that something that happened in the 1800s justified what the Republicans did in 2016. Nope.
Given the limited universe of Supreme court nominations, (Well under 200, I believe.) you're never going to get exact parallels. But I've well enough established that it was NOT unprecedented to ignore a Supreme court nominee.
Sure, not recently. That's just presentism.
Now, should McConnell have permitted a vote on Garland? Absolutely, I think he should have. I think it was a dick move on McConnell's part to refuse to schedule a vote, for all that he would probably have lost it.
But the notion that doing that was some kind of violation of an unwritten rule, that Presidential nominations were in any strong sense entitled to be voted on, especially in election years by opposition Senates? That's bullshit.
I'd absolutely favor a constitutional amendment compelling a vote on Presidential nominees within some reasonable time, with their being confirmed if the vote isn't held. But that's not present law.
If the Democrats stopped appointing judges who will do their unpopular dirty work from the bench, the Republicans wouldn't need to engage in those tactics.
From "The 14th Amendment protects killing babies" to "Due Process guarantees a right to have deviant sex without protection" to "The Administrative Procedures Act means we can declare anything Trump, and only Trump, does as 'arbitrary and capricious' to "We will let the Democrats change the election rules, in contravention of the Constitution, if it benefits their worthless constituents," are you really surprised we're fighting back?
"Look up Sen. Orrin Hatch's comments about Garland in 2010."
One senator. By 2016 there were a lot of new GOP senators [Thanks Obama!] too.
6 years is an eternity in politics.
Hatch, personally, may have been fine with Garland, especially in 2010.
But he wasn't even on the Judiciary Committee in 2016, so I fail to see why you think an offhand comment in 2010 should be held as a promise by the entire Republican party 6 years later.
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Obama did that and got preapproval and they didn't even give his nominee a hearing, let alone a vote.
no he didnt - if he did, then there would have been a vote
No, they went back on their word.
Unless you think Orrin Hatch was acting as a rogue agent.
I don't find that particularly implausible.
That's because your telepathy is actually just partisanship.
No, it's because I don't particularly like or respect Orin Hatch.
If the GOP wanted to call him a liar, they could have. They didn't do that, they just went back on what he said.
"Unless you think Orrin Hatch was acting as a rogue agent."
One senator is not "preapproval" by the entire GOP.
One Senator, former chair of the judiciary committee?
Yeah, why would Dems think that guy could speak on his party's thinking on nominees!
This is such a lack of context, it's almost a lie.
Former and 6 years. That's a pretty big change to claim that one man speaks for the entire party like you are doing.
So you think Hatch went rogue, claiming to speak for the GOP when he didn't?
In 2010, I believe he was expressing his opinion ("I", "I", "I", ...), but I've seen nowhere that he was claiming to speak for the GOP. You've repeated this claim several times now, so you must have a source for it, right?
Please tell us when, exactly, Hatch said that he was speaking for the GOP when he said something in support of a Garland SCOTUS nomination. I'd like to see these quotes you must have, if you aren't just lying.
Just to put this in perspective, Romney opposed Jackson's nomination to the DC Circuit in 2021.
According to you, he couldn't have possibly changed his mind since then, because just one year difference and not being on the Judiciary Committee couldn't possibly change the situation, even for just his opinion.
Not what I'm saying at all. I'm making an institutional argument, and institutions are not like individuals.
"Unless you think Orrin Hatch was acting as a rogue agent."
He made the comment six years before the nomination. Things change over time, you realize.
A formal vote after what timeframe? How long did the Democrats hold up Miguel Estrada's nomination? Sorry, but these marxist cunts just want their civilization destroying fellow travellers on the bench to tear down all decency and society.
Calling Democrats marxist cunts and in the next breath cry about their war on decency....
Quite a trick there.
I do agree that there should be a formal requirement that Presidential nominees get an up/down vote. This would require a constitutional amendment, of course, and teeth; Perhaps the nominee would be automatically confirmed if not voted upon within your six months.
My ideas for reforms of judicial and executive nominations would be as follows (both would require constitutional amendments):
Amendment 1 - federal judiciary
Section 1 - Federal judges at the District and Circuit Court levels would serve 12 year terms. They could be reappointed once to the same level. (I would also do away with 'senior status' for Circuit Court judges.)
Section 2 - Supreme Court justices would serve one full 18 year term. The Court would be fixed at 9 justices, with each seat's term staggered by 2 years. The first seat subject to this limitation would be the one currently held by the most senior Justice, and it would go in order of seniority after that. (I don't see any problem with turning a previously lifetime appointment into a limited one through a constitutional amendment. Besides, the first Justice to be forced into retirement this way would be Thomas, currently at over 30 years on the Court and 73 years old.) When a seat becomes open before the term expires, the rule would be like the term limits for the Presidency. A justice could be reappointed if they served less than half a given 18 year term.
Amendment 2 - Repeal and Replace of Recess Appointments Clause - This is anachronistic. It was based on a time when Congress couldn't meet on short notice and took much longer breaks.
Section 1 - Advice and Consent defined
Clause 1 - Judicial appointments require a 2/3 supermajority of the Senate.
Clause 2 - Executive branch and military positions subject to confirmation and commissioners of independent agencies require a majority.
Clause 3 - Limitations on 'acting' officials. Instead of recess appointments when insufficient time has passed to consider a replacement for an important position, an 'acting' official can have the legal authority of that position for a limited amount of time. but a President must nominate someone sooner, rather than later. They can't get around Advice and Consent by simply having 'acting' officials do the job indefinitely. And someone voted down can't be the acting official.
Section 2 - Time limit on vote
Silence is considered consent. Now, this isn't true in a general sense, obviously. A person that is unconscious can't consent to sexual activity, even though they haven't said no. But a legislative body always has the opportunity and duty to speak about whether it consents to something within its power to approve or deny, so not holding a vote is no longer going to be an option to scuttle a nomination. The amount of time could be something to debate, but I'd suggest 3 months. The Senate could vote (by simple majority) once to extend the deadline by 3 months. If no up or down vote is held by the deadline, the nominee is confirmed. (Also, this time limit would only apply if the President that made the nomination is still in office when the time limit is up. Death, resignation, impeachment and removal, or expiration of term effectively cancels the nomination if the Senate hasn't acted yet.)
This is all on the margins. The actual problem with the federal judiciary is structural: It's the mechanism that's supposed to restrain the federal government from violating the Constitution, and it's staffed by the federal government.
They say no man should be the judge in his own case. Well, nominating and confirming the judge in your own case isn't materially better.
Naturally when you get the two parties in a legal dispute fighting over who gets to select the judges who make the final decision, it's going to get ugly. They know that personnel is policy, and who gets picked dictates the outcome.
Prior to the 17th amendment, the states had some input here; Senators, while elected, knew that if they pissed off state legislatures enough they could reclaim that power. I believe this was restraining their behavior on the margins, which is why the Court only became a major enabler of the expansion of federal power, and the contraction of state power after that amendment was ratified.
MY answer to this problem is to remove the judicial confirmation power from the Senate, and transfer it to a body made of all the states' governors.
Of course, the Senate would never agree to such an amendment, it would have to come through a convention. But, realistically, the reason things are broken in Washington is that Congress likes them broken, and NO amendment fixing things is going to originate from Congress.
We desperately need a constitutional convention.
Prior to the 17th amendment, the states had some input here...
I missed the part of the Constitution where it says "We the States", that states looked to form a more perfect union to establish justice for states, and secure the blessings of liberty for states and the posterity of those states. Everywhere that the Constitution refers to states, it is in reference to their governments, which are guaranteed to be representative of the people of those states. And despite the tagline given to it, the 10th Amendment does not protect "states' rights". States don't have "rights", since they aren't people. (Not even in the sense that corporations are people.) State governments have powers reserved to them whennot prohibited by the Constitution or reserved for the federal government. And all power derives from the people.
When Senators were chosen by state governments, that only meant that those state governments were filtering the will of the people of those states in choosing those Senators. The advantage in voting for state legislators that would then choose a U.S. Senator versus voting for a Senator directly is that, in the former case, your preferences can be ignored more easily in favor of cronyism and internal party politics. Which is clearly not an advantage for you, but for the state party establishment.
That all comes from the views of many of the Founders that the average citizen wasn't fully up to the task of making government decisions. Despite holding innovate (for the time) ideas about self-government, they still harbored skepticism and, dare I say it, elitist ideas about learned and educated men needing to restrain the passions and temper the full will of the people. The House could be the chamber that was close to the will of the people, as its members would be directly elected by the eligible citizens. (Which was almost entirely white male landowners.) Senators, with their 6 year terms and being chosen by state legislators would be more insulated from the 'mob'.
Ultimately, if you really want to go back to U.S. Senators being chosen by state governments only, then you are saying that you don't trust your state's voters to make good choices. But somehow, the state officials that they elected that will pick the senators are trustworthy?
"I missed the part of the Constitution where it says "We the States", "
"When Senators were chosen by state governments,"
Ah, so you didn't miss it, after all.
"Ultimately, if you really want to go back to U.S. Senators being chosen by state governments only, then you are saying that you don't trust your state's voters to make good choices. But somehow, the state officials that they elected that will pick the senators are trustworthy?"
This has nothing to do with the voters. The voters are too far removed from the judicial selection process at the federal level to exert any leverage, especially given the extremely low 'bit rate' they can use to apply pressure. The federal officers picking the judges have effectively free rein regardless of what the voters might want.
It's all about the incentives the institutional structure creates.
If you're a federal officer, federal power is YOUR power, so naturally you will want judges who will expand federal power, and consequently contract state power. That's your incentive, and you WILL act on is, in the long run, and in aggregate.
Contrarywise, if you're a state officer, state power is YOUR power, so you naturally will want judges who will contract federal power, and expand state power. That IS your incentive, and you WILL act on it, over the long run, and on average.
Individuals occasionally act against institutional incentives, but over time and on average, no, that's not to be expected.
Currently federal judge selection is done entirely by federal officers, so regardless of what the voters might want, the federal judiciary is selected to have a powerful bias in favor of expanding federal power, and limiting the states.
Prior to the 17th amendment, Senators were sort of a mixed bag, they were exercising federal power, but potentially subject to adverse action by state legislatures. So they had to moderate the action of that bias.
My proposal is to retain federal, Presidential nomination of judges, but have the confirmation be handled by state level officers who will take into account state interests, and NOT have that pro-federal bias. By countering interest against interest, hopefully an unbiased, but certainly LESS biased, judiciary should result.
Again, nothing to do with the voters, who have basically no leverage over this process anyway. Just a matter of institutional design, and restoring a restraining force the 17th amendment got rid of to our detriment.
You are putting a lot of the weight of your argument on an idea that state politicians are really that separate from federal ones. That doesn't make any sense when they both get elected by the same voters in the same elections. (Admittedly, I think a couple of states might have their governors elected in odd numbered years, but every other state holds their state elections at the same time as the federal ones.)
Someone running for Congress or President in Arizona is on the same ballot as the people running for state offices and belong to the same political parties. Voters don't make the distinction that you are making anywhere near to the extent they would need to in order for your argument to hold up.
This has nothing to do with the voters. The voters are too far removed from the judicial selection process at the federal level to exert any leverage, especially given the extremely low 'bit rate' they can use to apply pressure. The federal officers picking the judges have effectively free rein regardless of what the voters might want.
This is so divorced from recent reality within the GOP as to be almost funny. The GOP base most definitely cares a great deal about judicial appointments and Republican candidates for President and the Senate absolutely have to take that into account. This whole article and many recent posts were all about the politics of judicial appointments. You think that this would still be a hot button issue with Senators making complete asses of themselves trying to justify opposition to nominees from the other side's President if voters didn't give a shit? (And yes, I'm including some of the Senate Democrats during Trump's term, here, as well as Ted Cruz looking to see if he was trending after his performance.)
The one argument you might make work is that senators and presidents mostly play to the base of their parties, rather than try to appeal to a broad majority of voters on judicial appointments. But that is true of almost all issues, not just judicial appointments.
Again, nothing to do with the voters, who have basically no leverage over this process anyway.
This is the biggest issue I have with your position, anyway. If it were true that voters didn't have significant leverage over the process of appointing judges, then wouldn't that be a major flaw all by itself? As I said above, it is the people (by voting for their governments) that are the source of legitimate government power. Whether it is the local dog catcher, state legislators and governors, or members of Congress and the President, if they aren't responding to the will of the voters, then that would be a sign of our institutions being broken.
SCOTUS nominations are what's making it obvious, but the broader issue is that the accelerating polarization of politics has broken the entire Presidential nomination/Senate Advise and consent process.
Part of the problem lies in the unnecessary number of Executive branch positions subject to Senate approval. Proposals around restructuring SCOTUS could include a way to address the approval part of that, and perhaps serve as model for the wider process.
Like many, I like the idea of staggered 18-year SCOTUS terms allowing every President to nominate two new Justices per four-year term. One Justice would leave every other year, striking a decent balance between change and continuity while supporting the goal of a still quite independent court being somewhat less isolated from durable shifts in societal principles.
Congress could direct nominations to the first and third years of each President's term—the year between main election cycles—with the Presidential nomination and Senate 'advise & consent' process timed to require a confirmation vote shortly after the June end of (most) Supreme Court terms and well before the October start of new terms.
To help that (and other nominations?) work, add that Senate failure to vote up-or-down on a nominee—say, within four months—is considered 'consent' (analogous to a President allowing a new law passed by Congress to come into force by neither vetoing nor signing it within ten days), and stipulate action on out-of-cycle vacancies be suspended within four months of a presidential election.
There are decent arguments that neither of these actions would require amending the Constitution (granted, also decent arguments that they would), but it would be an elegant solution to both problems.
(And yes, would cause other problems, but It'd be interesting to hear how folks more knowledgeable this I would work this out.)
Do we want to see an open seat for 2 to 8 years?
Based on what I see from every "filled" seat except for CJT and Alito?? Hell Yay-ess!! I wouldn't mind a Surpreme Court consisting ONLY of CJT and Alito....
"Do we want to see an open seat for 2 to 8 years?"
Who is this "we" kemosabe?
There is a lot of phony hand wringing going on. Fainting couches can't even be found, they are in such high demand.
Congress can only do exactly what the people allow.
What everybody is demanding, is stripping the people the people of their constitutional power. Vote the scoundrels out.
The fact of the matter. SCOTUS wields a disportionate amount of power, due to the lifetime appointment.
Congress has ceded power to SCOTUS. Because SCOTUS has ruled in matters that belong to Congress, and Congress is just fine transferring the responsibility to SCOTUS, because then Congress never has to go on record and write a law. Democrats are very happy with that, because SCOTUS is how they advance an agenda, they can never get passed through legislative action.
In short, WE, are just fine with the current status quo.
It is the companion argument to term limits.
WE, already have term limits. Every two years.
WE, already have a solution to leaving SCOTUS seats open.
Mod. Having an even number of Justices is a great benefit. Their 5-4 decisions have all been horrendous mistakes.
As I mentioned in a prior thread, there are two schools of thought. One is that the Senate should confirm anyone the president nominates, unless there is something seriously deficient about the nomination. Two is that the Senate has just as much say on the matter as the president, and just because someone is "qualified" does not mean he or she gets confirmed if there are differences in judicial philosophy. A third view is that the first approach should be used for nominations to the Executive branch, while the second approeach should be used for nominations to the Judicial branch.
It would be better if those applying the second view would be honest about it, rather than make up flimsy excuses.
"the Senate has just as much say on the matter as the president" seems inconsistent with the appropriate clause in the Constitution and the absence of other appropriate clauses elsewhere.
And we have long and ample precedent for how this was originally done, more consistent with #1 than #2 reason. Not that this would affect any GOP senator piously invoking some fictitious constitutional principle.
"how this was originally done"
John Rutledge, a former Supreme Court justice, was rejected by the Senate to be the second chief justice.
"Rutledge was asked to speak publicly about his opinions on this treaty. He accepted and did not hold back his intensely negative feeling toward Jay’s treaty. Rutledge went so far as to say “dearly as [I] love Washington, [I] would rather see him dead than to see him sign the Treaty.” Needless to say, this aggravated many supporters of the Treaty. When it came time for the Senate to confirm his appointment, his fierce comments had offended too many Senators, pushing some to question his sanity, and his appointment was not confirmed. Upon hearing news of the Senate’s rejection, Rutledge threw himself into the bay. His attempt at suicide failed when two slaves saw him drowning and saved him."
So, sure, this is an example of a nominee getting voted down, but his comments came after the nomination, not sure if history records whether Washington still supported his nomination. But trying to off oneself because you didn't get confirmed seems to lend some validation to his opponents who claimed he had mental issues. I don't think we want suicidal Supreme Court Justices or Supreme Court Justices whose ego is so fragile that if they get rejected, they go into a suicidal depression.
In other words, this is the exception that really supports the rule. Unless the nominee has pretty serious defects, historically they've been confirmed. (Bork, for example, was involved in the Saturday Night Massacre and, according to his own memoirs, he extracted a promise of a Supreme Court nomination to betray the country.)
Suicide? Oh, come on. It was a thinly disguised murder attempt by Hillary Clinton.
Touche
"this is an example of a nominee getting voted down"
A Madison nominee was defeated in 1811. So two high level defeats in the first 20+ years.
Plenty of lapsed nominations [like Garland] too in the 19th century.
According to Wikipedia (granted, not the best source):
Opposition to Wolcott's nomination centered on two main reasons: his lack of judicial experience and his role as a customs inspector. Wolcott was widely believed to be unqualified and incapable of serving in such an important judicial position.
So it would appear that, again, you've chosen as an example a nominee who was rejected on merit, not so much ideology. Moreover, the rejection was 9-24 against despite the Senate being controlled 28-6 by his own (and the President's) party. So, again, this is a very poor example to support voting down nominees based on partisanship. In fact, again, it is a failed nomination that supports the proposition that voting down a nominee should be for issues related to qualifications rather than simply partisan power politics.
You keep playing, but losing. Routinely voting against nominees for purely partisan reasons is a new thing, not an original practice, and not a good thing.
I look forward to your next example which further supports SRG's point:
"And we have long and ample precedent for how this was originally done, more consistent with [the Senate confirming nominees unless there is something seriously deficient about the nomination] than [with the Senate voting down nominees solely because of disagreement with "judicial philosophy"]. Not that this would affect any GOP senator piously invoking some fictitious constitutional principle."
It's not so much that they're voting against them for purely partisan reasons, as that the parties' notions of what judges should be doing, and thus what is qualifying and disqualifying for the job, have become essentially disjoint.
There's still a little overlap at the lowest level of the judiciary, where most of the cases have no political salience, and discretion is very limited by higher level precedent.
But at the higher levels of the judiciary, no Republican President would nominate judges or justices that Democrats would consider qualified, and visa versa, because their notions of what judges should be doing is just that different.
I disagree that the issue is there is no overlap in considering who is qualified.
This isn't like Carswell, who was deemed not qualified by a majority precisely because he had explicitly white supremacist views. He may have had all the education, experience, merit badges, and what have you that everyone would agree he was qualified (when that term is used strictly on attributes other than opinions), but his opinions were so beyond the pale and in direct contradiction with how they and we understand the Constitution, that he was not qualified to interpret that document.
I don't think that's the case for either Amy Comey Barrett or Ketanji Brown Jackson. Both are qualified. Both hold views that are consistent with roughly half of the population. It can't reasonably be said that either is unqualified. The opposition to them is that they likely will vote the way the Senator doesn't like and their voters demand results. Thus, you have Ben Sasse explicitly acknowledge KBJ's qualifications and temperament, but he just can't vote for her because his voters would crucify him and his presidential aspirations would be over (especially given his heresy on tfg).
Um, while I agree with your overall response to Brett, this is a really weird point to make in this context, given that Carswell's single claim to fame is that he was notoriously defended against charges of lack of merit by Sen. Hruska, who said, "Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
(It did not escape notice that Hruska named three (((justices))) in this statement.)
That's hilarious. I kind of stopped my research at "white supremacy", but that's a good anecdote. Thanks for that.
The clause says Advice and Consent. Which implies that Senators should be consulted, although in practice they rarely are. While the Senate cannot nominate anyone, nothing in the clause requires them to be deferential to the President's picks.
As for precedent, there have been more and less partisan times. As Armchair Lawyer points out above, the Democrats have been just as partisan recently. That was not always the case; Justice Scalia was confirmed 98-0.
Judicial appointments are now the Senate’s provenance…McConnell gets credit for taking that power for the Senate when he forced Trump to create a list of potential justices. And then once Trump was elected he just let McGahn and McConnell take care of all judicial appointments so Trump would have more time to watch Fox News and Tweet.
I think a President providing a list of judges he/she would nominate is something ALL should do, given the importance of the judiciary and all.
Romney found out a nominee he previously voted against was a racist who hates the Constitution, does not believe in individual rights, and loves pedophiles and child pornographers and switched his vote to Yes.
We are ruled by idiots and morons who do not answer the people.
We are ruled by those elected by the people. They answer to them each and every election. If the people are electing "idiots and morons" then one must assume the people are electing "idiots and morons" intentionally.
And once they decide they're ready to retire, they have the remainder of their term to do as they please without answering to the people. It's a basic flaw in any democracy without recall elections.
And once they decide they're ready to retire, they have the remainder of their term to do as they please without answering to the people. It's a basic flaw in any democracy without recall elections.
Recalls have been fiascos in both the recent and deeper past. You are only arguing for voters to take more care to only vote for people that have shown a history of serving their constituents rather than doing "as they please". Elections should have consequences.
"loves pedophiles and child pornographers."
Liar.
He is a liar.
He is a multifaceted bigot.
He is a disaffected clinger.
He is a disgusting culture war loser,
And he is precisely the target audience of this white, male, right-wing blog (with a scant academic veneer that misappropriates the franchises of several leading law schools).
does not believe in individual rights, and loves pedophiles and child pornographers
Fuck you.
This pedophile bullshit just demonstrates again how vapid and shallow our political elite have become. Astounding ignorance.
Since then, a large percentage of senators in the party opposing the president who made the selection have objected to every nominee
In other words, the US is becoming more like normal parliamentary democracies. And where that ends is that the leader of the party that controls the majority of the senate can give the president a short list of nominees who will get confirmed, and tell him that any nominee not from that list will get rejected. Which seems like a perfectly acceptable way to run a country to me.
The problem is that, knowing the US, it will take a lot of deadlock before Washington pols figure out that solution.
Congratulations to President Trump for getting the first black female Justice confirmed to the Supreme Court!
ISWYDT
Following your 'ridiculous and off base' link,
"When pressed by Cruz on critical race theory, Jackson said, "I've never studied critical race theory, and I've never used it. It doesn't come up in the work that I do as a judge.""
The Republicans had a quote from a speech she'd given: "Sentencing is just plain interesting on an intellectual level, in part because it melds together myriad types of law — criminal law, of course, but also administrative law, constitutional law, critical race theory, negotiations and to some extent, even contracts."
The link, in a bit of what I view as at best sophistry, complains that she didn't say judges "must" use critical race theory.
So what? She recommended using it. Does this suggest she is unfamiliar with it, and doesn't use it herself?
I wouldn't necessarily say she perjured herself, but she was at best somewhat disingenuous, and Cruz' point was substantiated.
I also believe the Senators are perfectly entitled to draw adverse inferences from a sustained record of sentencing below the sentencing guidelines in a particular sort of case.
I'll grant your points about her work as a defense attorney, I regard that as a welcome viewpoint on the Court.
The bottom line for me is that while she's ideologically hostile to multiple rights found in the Constitution, she probably is about the best pick you could expect of the Biden administration; Had he not committed to selecting his nominee from among only 3% of federal judges, he'd have had much more opportunity to make a bad pick.
I don't think opposing her is a hill to die on, given that the Democrats could confirm her without any Republican votes, but I see no reason Republicans should be complicit in putting her on the Court, either. She should have gotten as many Republican votes as Barrett got Democratic votes, no more.
The full quote, because context matters:
"I also try to convince my students that sentencing is just plain interesting on an intellectual level, in part because it melds together myriad types of law — criminal law, of course, but also administrative law, constitutional law, critical race theory, negotiations, and to some extent, even contracts. And if that’s not enough to prove to them that sentencing is a subject is worth studying, I point out that sentencing policy implicates and intersects with various other intellectual disciplines as well, including philosophy, psychology, history, statistics, economics, and politics."
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/judge-jackson-and-critical-race-theory/
The full quote hardly contradicts the point. She unambiguously listed critical race theory as a "type of law" that was part of sentencing. And yet she denied in questioning any familiarity with it.
I don't think anybody unacquainted with CRT, or not approving of it, would have even thought to include it in that list. (Or even a list of 'types of law'!) So, her testimony was at best disingenuous.
At best. And proven so.
The opposing party shouldn’t vet potential justices because nobody cares about any of this and the opposing party might get lucky and a justice has an impeachable offense in their background that comes to light when they control the levers of power. So we recently had a Speaker (second in line to be president) that is a convicted pedophile and surely everyone would agree that is an impeachable offense if a justice was ever convicted of that crime.
Ah, good old Dennis. Filegate was a real life saver for Bill, wasn't it? Facing impeachment managers he had all the dirt on was playing it in easy mode.
Not saying exactly what opposing counsel wants you to say in a deposition during discovery is not an impeachable offense…Lindsey Graham didn’t even think it amounted to an impeachable offense.
Perjury is not an impeachable offense? What other crimes are on the unimpeachable offense?
Perjury requires a showing of materiality.
It was in a civil deposition! If anything Jones’s lawyers behaved unethically because why would you attempt a perjury trap in a civil case?!? So they had evidence of the Lewinsky affair and so their questioning didn’t make any sense but for the fact Jones wasn’t their true client. If I were the judge in that situation I would hold the lawyers in contempt and advise their client to seek new counsel…I wouldn’t let lawyers play grabass in front of me.
Have you ever been involved in civil litigation?? I have and here is how it goes—one party files a lawsuit that makes allegations and the other party says those allegations aren’t true!! So in every civil lawsuit one party is committing perjury once the defendant files a response and proceedings are underway. And the civil courts feature a common law adversarial system which means it’s the lawyers that figure out face by zealously representing their clients…so lawyers can’t go running to the sheriff like adult tattle tales and try to get the opposing party arrested when a deposition doesn’t go exactly as they want it to go.
That impeachment was the beginning of the dumbest 20 odd years in American history when you initially wept over Elian Gonzalez being rescued from his kidnappers and sent to his father…and then 20 years later you were saying fuck those brown people dying in the Rio Grande…they are just going to vote for Democrats anyway. And I will admit a stupid position—I didn’t support Terri Shaiavo’s parents. Why the fuck wouldn’t the husband simply let her parents take care of her and move on with his life?? How could anyone have defended the husband when all he had to do was literally do nothing?!?
Yes I’ve been involved in oodles of civil suits. You’re ridiculous. It is not by definition that one party or the other is committing perjury. Each sides lawyers are very careful to couch there filings in ways that don’t contain false statements. If a judge catches you misleading the court you’re in big trouble.
Notguilty “, you’re simply a partisan zealot fool. Perjury requires a false statement while under oath. That’s it. Clinton committed perjury while he was president. It’s not for me to say whether it was impeachable or not but it did happen. Your effort to excuse it with such a weak argument juxtaposed against your long rants about Trump’s supposed crimes make you look hopelessly biased. Politics has broken your brain.
Lindsey Graham disagrees with you because he didn’t vote for that article of impeachment. You are tattle tale and everyone hates a tattle tale…you are like a 7 year old girl!
I’m a Trump Republican, you are a Hastert Republican!
Bevis, it is prudent to actually read a statute before commenting on it. The federal perjury statute, 18 U.S.C. 1621, requires the willful assertion by a declarant of"any material matter which he does not believe to be true." Contrary to your crabbed reading,
Bevis, it is prudent to actually read a statute before commenting on it. The federal perjury statute, 18 U.S.C. 1621, requires the willful assertion by a declarant of "any material matter that he does not believe to be true." Contrary to your crabbed reading, both willfulness and materiality are elemental.
When and where did you get your legal training, if any?
It wasn't just his own perjury. It was also subornation of perjury by others, witness tampering, and having a government employee collecting and destroying evidence.
Democrats just focus like a laser on the one point they think they can throw into doubt.
It was stupid and it ushered in a century that has just been stupid on top of stupid. Jones’s lawyers were unethical…and the judge couldn’t handle the situation. Once again, if I were a judge I wouldn’t let lawyers play grabass in my court…but very rarely would a case come before a judge that was about orchestrating a coup!?!
I am a proudly partisan Democrat, but it is worth noting that the Senate vote to acquit President Clinton on the perjury charge was 45 guilty to 55 not guilty. Numerous Republican senators were persuaded by his defense.
Sebastian, you aren’t reading and comprehending very well. How you got Graham disagreeing with me from my saying “it’s not for me to say if it’s impeachable or not” is difficult to see. I stated no opinion for Graham to disagree with.
Not guilty, your partisanship has broken you to the point that you don’t listen and reflexively defend positions from the left regardless of the facts. If You can’t admit that what Clinton did was perjury, you’re not worth talking to. I have no interest in spewing partisan bullshit back and forth.
"Numerous Republican senators were persuaded by his defense."
Like I said, Filegate really saved his ass. The sad fact is that the GOP leadership were too dirty to tell him "Publish and be damned", they caved to the threat of Clinton's Ellen Rometsch strategy.
Taking down Livingston was the shot over the bow, and Republicans replacing him with the even easier to blackmail Hastert was their waving the white flag. They dropped almost all the available charges, declared that there was no point in conducting the investigation they'd just won a vote to conduct, and proceed straight to the Olympic high dive competition.
Bevis, if you can't take being caught lying about the elements of the offense, your opinion isn't worth much. Man up and admit your ears have been pinned back.
And FWIW, 1621(b) doesn't even require an oath. Statutes matter.
Brett, do you have any evidence that "filegate" had anything to do with the impeachment acquittal? (A Maureen Dowd column doesn't feed the bulldog.) Or are you once again just making shit up?
I can think of a couple of reasons that Bill Clinton emerged from the impeachment circus stronger than he went in. For one thing, he was fortunate that his most prominent enemies were loathsome (think Newt Gingrich, Tom DeLay) or came to be perceived as loathsome (Kenneth Starr).
Perhaps more important, the harshest critics hammered on character flaws that the electorate had twice considered. The voting public knew that Clinton had zipper problems and did not always tell the truth, but preferred him to George H. W. Bush and to Bob Dole. By 1998 that was old hat.
bevis the tattletale, how much prison time did Trump or Ivana serve after Ivana accused Trump of rape in a divorce proceeding?? One party lied…so obviously the sheriff got involved and took one to prison, right??
And then some context:
And then some context:
Later in the confirmation hearing, Democratic Sen. Cory Booker said he listened to Jackson’s speech and said to Jackson: “You were just listing a list of things that people could say touched the law.” He added, “They weren’t your philosophies at all.”
“Correct, senator,” Jackson said. “And that speech was not related to what I do as a judge. That was talking about sentencing policy and all of the different academic disciplines that might relate to it.”
"Context" does not mean "spin"
If she wasn't familiar with critical race theory, how could she know it had an impact on sentencing policy?
She never said she wasn't familiar with CRT. She said she hadn't studied CRT. I haven't studied your nihilistic worldview, but I'm familiar with it.
And as you've just proven, being familiar with something CERTAINLY doesn't prove any knowledge of something.
Edify me. Show how I proved that.
So Booker puts words in her mouth and you dishonestly call that context, got it.
She mentioned CRT 4th in a list of 6 things that could be considered. I don't think it's incredibly charitable to assume that she simply didn't remember mentioning it, and that she was giving a straightforward response to the question.
I have zero problems with Republicans voting no for her (or any other nominee for a federal court) that's based on her different judicial philosophy. Or a Dem senator doing the same for a Republican-nominated person. But those senators should man up (woman up??) and acknowledge the actual reason, as Sen. Sasse did. If more senators (from both parties) did that, then there would be no need to whore one's integrity or engage in dopey questioning. Result? More serious questions during confirmation, and then simple party-line votes, with the occasional peal-off from senators with the character to be willing to cross party-lines.
"More serious questions during confirmation"
Why? None of the GOP senators questioning her were under any illusions they could defeat her. The point was to make political points, to get TV hits and to promote their presidential ambitions.
BTW, Sasse just likes to play the "more in sorrow than in anger" reasonable senator. Its his shtick.
It may have been 4th in a list of 6 things, but the other things in the list were at least fields of law. CRT stuck out like a sore thumb in that list.
Just thinking CRT belongs in a list like that, just having it occur to you to include it in such a list, is a very bad sign from a conservative standpoint, and Cruz was quite right to make a big deal of it.
CRT is a philosophy of law created by legal scholars. Whatever you think of it, it's perfectly appropriate in that list.
Besides which, she was speaking descriptively, not normatively.
It's a desert topping AND a floor wax. Apparently the only thing CRT isn't is whatever people might complain about it being at the time an argument is going on.
What are you disputing? That CRT was the creation of legal scholars, or that KBJ's comment was descriptive, not normative? Because the former isn't squishy opinion or anecdote. It's fact. And the latter speaks for itself.
Remember, here's what she said:
If that doesn't dispose of your complaint, please explain how.
Of course that doesn't dispose of my complaint. Critical race theory is like the hollow earth of legal theories, it's the sort of bullshit that should disqualify anybody from public office. It has no place in a list of legitimate legal fields.
It's perfectly appropriate for a Senator to regard the least positive mention of CRT as disqualifying a nominee.
So you're just going to ignore that her list being descriptive, not normative, renders your CRT hysteria incoherent.
OK.
No, I'm going to point out that even including CRT in such a list is damning from a conservative standpoint. It's like saying, "criminal law, of course, but also administrative law, constitutional law, the protocols of the elders of Zion, negotiations, and to some extent, even contracts."
Nobody who belongs on the Court, even in the judiciary, would have thought to include it in such a list.
What do you think CRT is? Because that's an obscene, not to mention absurd, analogy.
Yeesh. Shoulda stuck with hollow earth, Brett.
But regardless, I don't believe you can in good faith argue that merely describing the current state of legal academia disqualifies you from the Court.
You're reaching. And should think about why it's so important that this woman be disqualified in your eyes. You don't like Kagan, but I don't recall this kind of nonsense from you about her.
Yeah, stick with that "merely descriptive" line, it's really persuasive.
The fact of the matter is that Cruz caught her in a contradiction, and his complaint was not, as Somin has it, ridiculous.
Walk me through how it's a contradiction? Because Leo Marvin seems to have pretty effectively pointed out that describing a thing is part of legal academia is not the same as studying that thing.
She's literally identifying CRT as a component of sentencing in order to convince students that it's interesting on an intellectual level. You don't do that with something you consider disreputable.
I understand that Democrats don't tend to think CRT is disreputable. Republicans do. Disqualifyingly so.
Rather than being ridiculous, as Somin claims, this falls under ideology.
Disreputable? That wasn't part of Cruz's quote you posted above.
I think it's better to tell the truth as Sasse did than to lie. But I don't think that what Sasse did is good.
KBJ is well-qualified by all conventional measures. She has no character flaws (no, "I don't like Democrats" is not a character flaw). She's well within the mainstream.
To say one won't vote for her is to say that one won't vote for any Democratic nominee. I do not think it a legitimate position for a Republican to say, "I will not support any Democratic nominee." Or, of course, vice versa.
Meh,
In today's political climate, I'll take whatever ethical scraps I can get. A Dem senator saying, "I'm not gonna vote for any Sup. Ct nominee who does not believe in robust abortion rights." seems perfectly sensible to me. A Republican senator who says, "I'm not going to vote for any nominee who believe that a woman should have this sort of control over her own body." is similarly sensible.
If you're talking aspirational, then I'm with you. If you're talking "What's the real world like in 2022?," then I'm okay with voting down a nominee for these significant policy differences. (I do believe that the Senate could change its own rules, to require an up-or-down vote on each nominee...which I think would be a huge step forward, given the Whore McConnell approach. I think there is an almost zero chance that he would let any Biden Sup. Ct nominee get to an actual vote IN THE ENTIRE LAST TWO YEARS of his term, if Rs do, as expected, take control of the Senate.
"A Republican senator who says, "I'm not going to vote for any nominee who believe that a woman should have this sort of control over her own body." is similarly sensible."
Not that they'd ever phrase it in a way that agrees with the pro-choice view of what's at stake, of course. Just like the Dem senator wouldn't say, "I'm not gonna vote for and Sup. Ct nominee who doesn't believe in baby murder."
It's important to remember that the sides in these arguments genuinely disagree about what the argument is about.
Not sure everyone on the pro-Life side would want you to go with the 'is sure abortion is murder' push...
I think I have more acquaintance with the pro-life movement than you do. That's the general view of abortion on our side of this fight. That it's about a woman's control of her body is the OTHER side's view of the matter.
My point here is, don't attribute to the other side in a debate your own side's framing. No Republican Senator would say such a thing; If they characterized it in that fashion, they'd be on the 'pro-choice' side of the fight.
More? Probably, but I'm not so partisan that I don't have a number of good friends that are conservatives. Just not the sorts that are terminally politically on line like you and I are.
But I'd note that when Trump talked about treating the women who get abortions as murderers, the Pro-Life side leaped into action to walk that back.
If that were true, then they'd advocate prosecuting the women who obtain abortions for murder. But they never go there. Indeed, they act shocked and offended when people accuse them of that.
That's purely tactical on the part of pro-lifers. If prosecuting the person who hired the hitman gets in the way of saving the hitman's designated victim, well, you just live with it. The goal is to save the life, after all, not jail the woman after the fact.
Tactics is for the activists.
But we weren't talking about activists. And I don't think you mean to say most who just hold pro life ideals are lying about what policies they want.
With abortion, sarcastro, the doctor is the one actually performing the action.
Threatening to prosecute the woman leaves open to the whole "Well, you did not take enough prenatal vitamins so the baby died..." prosecutions nobody wants nor believes are just.
She did not recommend it, you bigoted, autistic, delusional, right-wing misfit. Get an education. Start with standard English.
On second thought, nothing will improve you until the moment you are replaced. So keep being you, Brett Bellmore. It won’t matter much, because your stale, ugly preferences are doomed in modern, improving, progressive America.
Liar.
Ilya, the bitch could not say what a WOMAN is!
STFU!!!
Good talk.
So do we now have 10 justices on the Supreme Court? Because I thought Breyer had announced he intended to retire, but has not yet actually done so.
Her appointment is effective upon Breyer’s retirement, but not until then.
Thanks for the clarification.
As a woman, I'm a little wary of a person being on the SCOTUS that cannot give a definition of a woman. I'm also concerned about her history of being lenient on criminal child sex offenders. In some of her rulings, she certainly seemed more concerned about the harm to the offender by being incarcerated rather than the harm to any child.
Also, for a President to announce beforehand that he would appoint a black woman to the bench, without any consideration to others, seems so blatantly discriminatory that it is offensive.
And yet you celebrated Dennis Hastert being voted Speaker. And you also loved it when Bush slaughtered innocent Muslims.
She did? For both accusations? Wow, Cindy! Do you and Seb know each other?
Absolutely. I remember Cindy being a real Hastert groupie back in 1980whatever when he was elected speaker. Personally I didn’t like his haircut.
Actually I’m not even sure Cindy was born then, but Sebastian is sensing radio waves of which the rest of us are unaware.
He was Speaker up until 2007!?!
You mean exactly as Trump did when he promised to appoint a woman to replace Ginsburg? Or Reagan when he decided it was time for a woman on the court?
Resulting in the selection of two women with remarkably thin resumes. O'Connor proved to be an able justice; the verdict on Barrett is not in yet.
The only "judicial philosophy" that Senators (or anyone else) cares about is "will they vote my way or not?"
Correct. And there is no reason for Somin to complain about that. It is what it is, now.
I'm confused; what does this have to do with Foot Voting?
Congratulations to Judge Brown's Vagina, without it, she'd just be another Black Male Judge with a Schlong.
Males outperform females even in female interests, down to knitting. Being Justice requires no talent, no knowledge, no ability. She should do well.
At least she's a step ahead of O. W. Holmes - she hasn't *categorically denied* the existence of natural rights.
I am glad to see a second authentically black voice on SCOTUS. It's been more than thirty years in the making.
And the silly part is, she and Thomas may well end up being nice and cordial to each other, to the shock of their respective cheering squads.
Cal,
Seriously? Who on earth is suggesting that she and Thomas will hate hate each other? Or will be the least bit antagonistic to each other...other than in the innocuous legal area? RGB and Scalia are merely the easiest, most recent, examples of justices who despise the judicial approach/philosophy/results/etc of each other, but yet genuinely like each other on a personal level.
Of course a Justice will like some on the court more than others. But that's true about literally every group on earth. But not loving another justice is a million miles from being jerks to that person. In other words; when Thomas and she end up being nice and cordial to each other, not a single person (who knows anything at all about the Sup. Ct) will be the least bit shocked.
(If I'm wrong, and she ends up putting Whoopie Cushions under his court seat, and if he ends up shooting spitballs at her during oral arguments; I'll be the first one to write here and say, "I was wrong; Cal was right.")
"(If I'm wrong, and she ends up putting Whoopie Cushions under his court seat, and if he ends up shooting spitballs at her during oral arguments; I'll be the first one to write here and say, "I was wrong; Cal was right.")"
No, in that case *I'd* have to acknowledge that *I* was wrong - why don't you read over what I said more carefully before popping off about it?
Collegiality is the norm among justices. That doesn't qualify Uncle Thomas as authentically black. He has made a career of undermining mainstream black interests, notwithstanding his own status as the most prominent beneficiary of affirmative action in American history.
Uncle Thomas? Seriously?
Authentically black?
There are a couple of serious racist anti-Thomas posters here. It's pretty remarkable to me how openly the Left will fly their BIGOT flags when it comes time to criticize him.
The whole "race traitor" thing not guilty is pushing here has a impressive heritage so support his views.
"Collegiality is the norm among justices."
Ever heard of James McReynolds? Black and Douglas versus Jackson and Frankfurter? Taney v. Benjamin Curtis?
Their behavior made Internet trolls look like a jolly Sunday tea party.
Generally, being tall is a desirable quality in a quarterback. But some excellent ones are short: Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Fran Tarkenton. The point being that you can name them, and pretty much all of them. Same with uncollegial Justices.
"authentically black voice"
Blacks can only have one political view point, unlike whites who can have a wide variety.
Nice racism.
Man, the righty commenters here managed to largely hold it together during the hearing, but really showing their ass now.
I don't know if you count me among them. Not that I care. My take on Jackson:
1. Certainly very smart.
2. Will be a very dependable vote for the left wing, which is one of the reasons she was picked (the other two names floated were less dependably lefty).
3. This is the first "woke" justice. Her answer on the "woman" question is telling, but not for the reasons others here think. It's not that she is stupid, it is that she does not want to offend any constituency.
4. The child pornography thing is a real criticism, but again not for the reasons others think. She thinks sentencing is too harsh, and even advocated that position. That's perfectly fair. Problem is, Congress and the public think otherwise, for good reason. As a sentencing judge, she bent the law to fit her policy preferences.
None of the above make a good sound bite for the likes of Tom Cotton or Ted Cruz. The only consolation is that she is replacing Breyer, so the overall change to SCOTUS is not that great. (And I still maintain that had Merrick Garland been nominated to replace Ginsburg instead of Scalia, he would have been confirmed.)
Yeah, you suck too, albeit in a less offensive way than the bitch, racism, and worse comments above.
Woke justice is nonsense. Just new terminology for the same 'PC is outta control' crap the right's been wallowing in since I've been sentient.
You're assuming the answer to the define a woman question, and assuming she agrees with you. Once you allow she may think there is some nuance to the response, it's clear that it's a trap question and she handled it extremely well.
The child pornography is absolutely bullshit. And you should know better.
First, it is a charge without any statistical backup.
Second, the sentencing guidelines are completely removed from any relation to public sentiment.
Third, they are a range, and whether you're above or below the mid-line of a range is not telling you anything.
Fourth, you don't know the baseline of how judges generally sentence these things. I don't know about CP specifically, but there are absolutely crimes almost all judges sentence below the midline in the range.
Fifth, she did not abuse her discretion, nor act against Congress or the public.
Sixth, sentencing choices are policy choices. Every time. That's how discretion works.
You're taking red meat and dressing it up in a suit. But it's still red meat.
Congress and the public think otherwise,
If Congress thinks otherwise, then why aren't the guidelines law, rather than just guidelines?
Further, one more time, her sentencing is well within the range other judges use. The child pornography business is worse than ridiculous. It is dishonest pandering to the worst elements of the GOP base.
If Congress thinks otherwise, then why aren't the guidelines law, rather than just guidelines?
Because under Apprendi v. NJ, you would need a jury trail every time.
Does she believe that conservatives deserve equal protection under the law. Would she actually represent a neo-NAZI these days? Would she even represent a Republican? How about former president Trump?
She couldn't define a woman? That means you are unqualified pretty much for any position. Walmart clerk nope!
All Barrett, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Alito and Roberts all couldn’t answer the questions posed to them, and all gave similar non-commital responses that they couldn’t answer questions about issues that might be before the court, including questions where the answer might seem obvious. And Kagan and Sotomeyor did the same. (Thomas and Breyer come from an earlier era where nominees were somewhat more forthcoming.)
Either you are equally prepared to say that none of them are qualified for any position either, or you aren’t willing to state your real reasons for opposing Justice Jackson, and are just spouting off whatever nonesense comes to your head without thinking about what you are saying.
"similar non-commital responses"
She said"no" to the woman question. Pretty commital.
How isn't a criticism of "a natural inclination in the direction of the criminal" a criticism of a person's judicial philosophy? How isn't a criticism of sentencing of particular criminals a criticism of a person's judicial philosophy? You're being very inconsistent.
Well, perhaps accusing a judge of seeking to rape litigants could also be interpreted as a criticism of their judicial philosophy. But that’s not how such rhetoric is normally perceived.
If you really seriously think you can expect people to believe accusing a judge of “an inclination to the criminal” is about their “philosophy” rather than their moral turpitude and conduct, may I suggest getting your head out of your ass for a minute and looking around you? Maybe see a therapist?
Sadly, rhetoric in Congress seems to have reached a level of over-the-top derangement more reminiscent of Putin’s Duma or Hitler’s Reichstag than the legislature of a democracy.
As with most everything Tom Cotton says or writes, it sounds or reads better in the original German.
Opposing a nomination because of a person's race is entirely legitimate too, if you have reason to believe that it'll negatively inform his or her decisions.
Even more risible than the pornography accusation was Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's charge..
I don't think "risible" is the word you're looking for here. "Despicable" is better.
Let's all pretend that anything in this debate is about the judge or "judicial philosophy". Or anything other than raw power. Oh my God! Both parties do it too?! We have moved past democratic institutions & are working almost entirely on a capture & control basis for the various balancing powers. Is there anything "inherently wrong" with abandoning any semblance of honesty, goodwill, & mutual respect for each other or our institutions? "What's so funny about peace love & understanding?" Fighting about who owns the words & systems isn't going to get us through what are surely going to be "interesting" times,
The remark about defending a NAZI was lame, but it is the kind of nonsense that you get in these confirmation hearings. If the nominee is a liberal, you accuse them of defending NAZIs (though nowadays, progressives would not defend NAZIs and would probably argue that Republicans don’t deserve representation). If the nominee is a conservative, you accuse them of defending rich corporations. How many times have we had a nominee with prior government service opposed because of an opinion memo they drafted (when you are a lawyer and assigned to write a memo in favor of a position, you write it even if you don’t believe in it…it’s called being a lawyer).
So all this whining and moaning about Jackson’s unfair treatment is nonsense.
Black and female (maybe), perfect qualifications for a high judge, like Ruthy, jewish and female....pattern continues. Would have never been elected to the court, simple jewish game of destroying the high court with idiot appointments.