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Ketanji Brown Jackson on Race and Judging
At her confirmation hearing for her current position on the court of appeals, KBJ testified that "race would be the kind of thing that would be inappropriate to inject in my evaluation of a case."

Racial issues have obviously played a big role in the public debate over President Biden's nomination of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson to the Supreme Court. That's in part because of Biden's campaign pledge to nominate a black woman, which has been attacked by Republicans, despite the fact that race and gender played important roles in previous nominations, such as Ronald Reagan's campaign promise to nominate a woman (resulting in the nomination of Sandra Day O'Connor), and Trump's promise to name a woman to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg (leading to the nomination of Amy Coney Barrett).
Given the controversy, it's worth noting what KBJ herself had to say about the role of race in judging, during her recent confirmation hearing for the seat she currently occupies on the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit:
Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn… asked Jackson about professional diversity and race.He said her experience as a trial judge would be a "very important qualification" and praised her "impressive" background…..
But Cornyn later said that "since our Democratic colleagues seem to be placing so much emphasis on race," he wanted to know something else. "What role does race play, Judge Jackson, in the kind of judge you have been and the kind of judge you will be?"
Without skipping a beat, Jackson said, "I don't think that race plays a role in the kind of judge that I have been and that I would be in the way you asked that question."
"I'm looking at the arguments, the facts and the law, I'm methodically and intentionally setting aside personal views, any other inappropriate considerations and I would think that race would be the kind of thing that would be inappropriate to inject in my evaluation of a case," she continued.
"I would say that my different professional background than many of the court of appeals judges, including my district court background," she said, "would bring value."
Cynics may think KBJ was just saying whatever she thought was necessary to get herself confirmed. But there are many ways she could have elided the question without endangering her confirmation chances, but also without flatly saying that consideration of race is "inappropriate." For example, she could have said that a judge's background inevitably has at least some impact on her decisions, and that is why it's important to have diversity of all kinds on the bench. Thus, I tend to believe she sincerely meant what she said.
Regardless, many may dismiss the sentiment she expressed as hopelessly naive. Few if any judges can achieve complete detachment from "inappropriate considerations," including the influence of their racial or ethnic background, which might lead them to empathize with some litigants more than others.
But even if such complete impartiality cannot be perfectly achieved, it's still an ideal to strive for. And history shows we can make greater progress than many might assume.
I explained some of the reasons why in a 2009 LA Times debate with prominent constitutional law scholar Erwin Chemerinsky, at the time of Sonia Sotomayor's nomination to the Supreme Court. While the specific comments by President Obama that occasioned our debate are now little-remembered, the broader point I made remains relevant:
President Obama says he wants judges who have the "empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African American, or gay, or disabled, or old." But if judges who feel empathy for these groups can legitimately base decisions on it, the same goes for the considerably larger number of jurists who most easily empathize with what it's like to be rich, or white, or straight, or able-bodied. If we weaken the norm of judicial impartiality in favor of greater emphasis on empathy, minorities and the poor are unlikely to benefit.
Some argue that judicial impartiality is a pipe dream. Indeed, empathy can never be completely eliminated as a factor in judging. But we should strive to reduce its role rather than increase it.
This not a hopelessly utopian objective. A century ago, judges and others often discriminated against Irish American and Italian American litigants. Today, such prejudice has been largely eliminated from our society and rarely affects judicial decisions. Similarly, the average white jurist today is much less likely to discriminate against African American litigants than her counterparts 40 years ago, even though racism is far from completely eliminated. Numerous judges have issued 1st Amendment rulings protecting communist, fascist and radical Islamist speech against censorship even though those judges probably have little or no empathy for advocates of these and other unpopular ideologies. That is a major improvement over the first half of the 20th century….
To say that judges shouldn't base decisions on empathy is not to say they should ignore all "real-world" implications of their decisions. Many cases require judges to make empirical judgments…. However, judges should make such determinations by systematically considering the relevant evidence, not on the basis of any empathy they might feel for the litigants.
Reliance on empathy often actually impedes accurate evaluation of the consequences of judicial decisions. Empathy usually leads us to focus on a clearly visible, sympathetic person who has suffered some sort of readily apparent harm. But it is often difficult or impossible to feel empathy for people we never see who may be victimized by the indirect or unintended consequences of a decision. To take an example from my own field of property law, judges can easily empathize with upper middle class people who use restrictive zoning rules to maintain the attractive "character" of their communities. It is much harder to see how these laws often zone out the poor and create housing shortages. The people barred from a community by exclusionary zoning are generally invisible to judges and impossible for them to identify, much less empathize with…. Court decisions upholding the constitutionality of exclusionary zoning may have been influenced by such empathy-driven blindness, which might have led judges to ignore its broader regional implications.
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I looked up "empathy" in online Merriam-Webster:
Definition of empathy
1: the action of understanding, being aware of, being sensitive to, and vicariously experiencing the feelings, thoughts, and experience of another of either the past or present without having the feelings, thoughts, and experience fully communicated in an objectively explicit manner
also : the capacity for this
2: the imaginative projection of a subjective state into an object so that the object appears to be infused with it
Well, couldn't we say that Shakespeare had empathy even for his villains, without holding them forth as role models - even when indicating that they ought to get their comeuppance?
And if a judge is sentencing a murderer who was abused as a child, wouldn't it be possible to understand the feelings of the murderer without being obliged to give out a lighter sentence? To know the different perspectives of the people you're judging, even if you still have to administer strict justice on them, seems like a good thing. It's bad if the judge starts saying stuff like "well, I'll let this murderer off because of his awful childhood."
Plus, empathy should be bestowed on all sides, including (say) the victim an family of the killer. One-sided empathy would also be a Bad Thing.
Judges have to be replaced by algorithms written by the legislature, and updated based on outcomes every year. All these Ivy indoctrinated scumbags have one real bias, big government and its resulting rent seeking. They are a catastrophe for our nation. They are always wrong.
This nominee is the most radical, left wing America hater ever nominated. She will impose her Commie, big government agenda on the nation. Soft on crime. Hard on political opponents, a vicious lawfare soldier. She is likely to promote the interests of the Chinese Commie Party to destroy the American Way of Life. The people who will suffer most will be urban diverses, especially little babies who have harmed no one. Those she will have slaughtered by the millions, while protecting, privileging, and empowering vicious thugs.
"...ants judges who have the "empathy to understand what it's like to be poor, or African American, or gay, or disabled, or old."
How about a little empathy for people who go out of the house and get hit over the head for $5 in their pocket, the 5 million victims of violent crime each year?
There is no basis in fact whatsoever to believe that "this nominee is the most radical, left wing America hater ever nominated," which is probably why you don't provide any.
Judge Jackson is not radical, is no more left-wing than other Democratic appointees, and isn't an "America hater."
Start with her work on the Sentencing Commission, and the hideous, record bustin's consequences, 100000 overdose deaths in 2021.
Just *her* work on the Sentencing Commission or that of others like Judge William Pryor who served with her on the commission?
Judge Pryor has not been nominated. Also, Jackson attended Harvard/Harvard Law, making her 100% disqualified. She has been indoctrinated into big government, Hate America, Commie ideology. She also studied 80 hours a week and knows nothing. She is a total dumbass. She doesn't know shit from 10th Grade World History, like the lawless Scholasticism origin of and the plagiarism of the catechism by the common law.
I wonder what it is about KBJ that leads you to raise all of these absurd and unsupported allegations.
See her arrogant and contemptible comments about Justice Thomas, showing her to be a dumbass. She is oblivious to American History taught in 5th Grade.
She's said nothing remotely arrogant or contemptible about Justice Thomas.
You're arguing with the mentally ill. You're more likely to get a rational argument from a bot posting spam in the comments.
I agree with this.
I think there is a tendency to confuse sympathy with empathy.
The best explanation I have seen is that empathy is often part of fact-finding - an understanding of how things looked to others.
We sometimes read what a judge or someone else has decided a "reasonable person" would think or do. And that often gets criticized, rightly, as unrealistic. Think of what a reasonable person, as opposed to a "reasonable person" may think about his rights when stopped by police.
I think that empathy means you actually do have some grasp of how others see things. It doesn't mean you set the murderer free because he had a bad childhood. It does mean you try to understand how the world looks to people unlike yourself, and you take that into account when appropriate.
The law actually requires a "reasonable person" test in a variety of circumstances. (One off the top of my head is that a judge is empowered to throw out a guilty verdict if, based on the evidence, 'no reasonable juror' could have found the defendant guilty.
"Cynics may think KBJ was just saying whatever she thought was necessary to get herself confirmed."
And they'd be right!
You are nothing, Bob from Ohio, if not cynical.
Well, that and bigoted. And superstitious. And downscale. And obsolete. And a casualty of the culture war.
In many ways, you are nothing.
This is nothing replacement won't solve.
Replacement, Artie? When is your resignation coming, you old white male?
Only to a point. Ilya Somin's point is that there are other ways she could have answered that question if her sole goal was to say "whatever she thought was necessary to get herself confirmed."
"race would be the kind of thing that would be inappropriate to inject in my evaluation of a case."
Of course, I for damn sure will do it. Once I get past this political show, I'm in for life.
Clark Neily, Cato Institute Senior Vice President for Legal Studies says the following of KBJ:
“There are plenty of reasons to celebrate Judge Jackson’s nomination, and one of the most important is the professional diversity she would bring to the Supreme Court. Unlike eight of the nine sitting Justices, Judge Jackson has never served as a prosecutor or other courtroom advocate for government, and she would be the first Justice since Thurgood Marshall with criminal defense experience. As Cato’s research has shown, the federal judiciary is wildly imbalanced in favor of former government lawyers versus former public defenders and public interest lawyers. Some of the most important cases the Supreme Court hears involve individuals squaring off against police, prosecutors, and other public officials in criminal and civil rights cases. The government’s perspective is already well‐represented among the Justices in those cases—a Justice Jackson would provide a new and refreshing point of view.”
Fair enough, and at least that goes beyond the "first black woman" enthusiasm in the media, without troubling to mention details like experience and so on.
You are not enthused about the "first Black woman" element, Cal Cetin?
I ascribe this to your ugly right-wing bigotry.
Thank goodness for the culture war's victory over old-timey intolerance, and the associated improvement of America.
"I ascribe this to your ugly right-wing bigotry."
Bell rings, dogs salivate. -- Dr. Ivan Pavlov
Do you wish to propose another explanation, perhaps one from the disaffected clingerverse you inhabit?
I'd love to see a black woman on the Supreme Court, if she's willing to stand and fight for the Constitution.
Perhaps the daughter of a sharecropper, so she can't be accused of coming from privilege.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janice_Rogers_Brown
I was saying something nice about her having criminal defense experience.
The media reports don't even mention that part, instead salivating over the intersectional opportunities of the appointment.
I guess what I'm trying to say is...yo mama is so ugly, the paper bag over her head has a paper bag over *its* head.
The media reports don't even mention that part
The late Lars-Erik Nelson, former Washington Bureau Chief of the NY Daily News, was on C-SPAN one morning in the '90s listening to some irate caller recite various Clinton scandals in great detail, while complaining that "the media" don't report them. After complimenting the caller on his detailed knowledge, Nelson asked: "How did you hear about them?" Much sputtering ensued. Nelson asked if the caller had agents of his own to look into this kind of thing or other private sources. More sputtering.
Almost everything we know or think we know on public matters came to us, either proximately or ultimately, through the mainstream media. Maybe you heard it on Twitter or from some talkshow gasbag, but they didn't go out and find out about it. They got it through the mainstream media.
I notice that "mainstream" drops in and out with your usage of the term "media" there.
The fact is that there are not that many sources for non-local news. Even major papers often use AP or Reuters wire articles. If those sources choose to not mention something, then it isn't showing up to the vast majority of people.
According to statista, the top dozen or so news outlets (NYT, WP, CNN, Fox, etc) account for about 80% of all news viewing. If you include the owners, rather than the brands, it jumps to more than 95%.
So, while it might be amusing to play word games with "media" by including every source - such as OANN, Dissident Voice, or the Weekly World News - it isn't useful. That's why the term "mainstream media" started to have broad use 80s and 90s, to contrast the big mass media outlets from the smaller 'alternate' sources.
I don't really believe her. But to be honest, I don't believe the testimony of appointees from either party. The name of the game is to avoid gotchas, and the judges appointed by either side are prepped for the hearings with that in mind.
Jackson grew up privileged, and with racial discrimination in her favor. It may well be true that she has no empathy for victims of racial discrimination.
Why is this white, male, right-wing blog frequented by so many grievance-consumed, defeated, whining, Republican bigots?
When will you be resigning, Artie. Stop talking. Start acting woke. Woke talk is worthless.
"Jackson grew up privileged"
Jackson, if confirmed, will be one of only three justices who attended public high schools - the others being Alito and Kagan. Her parents were public school teachers (until her father went to law school while KBJ was a child).
If we are going to arrange the justices according to level of financial privilege in their upbringing, the most privileged would have to be the Georgetown Prep boys, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh, and the least privileged would have to be Thomas.
I wish that Biden hadn't announced in advance that he would only appoint a Black Woman -- and then had appointed a Black Woman.
But that's not the world we live in.
If Biden had not made that promise, he might not have won any primaries.
His winning the nomination was not within his power. He was given the job to lock out candidates the party did not want like his VP was selected to insure someone didn't think to start a dynasty that may still come in 24
It would not have made any practical difference.
Putin has almost eliminated the barriers between Russia and Ukrania! Isn't this awesome!!
The border is gone and the peoples can at last freely mingle! Whoo, hoo! Putin has done what you could only imagine!?
Isn't that comingling of peoples the goal you -- Somin -- have so long advocated? Or have I somehow misinterpreted your position regarding borders?
You have not only misinterpreted his position regarding borders, but you have misinterpreted this blog as a 4chan forum where stupid people say irrelevant things for the shock value.
Hint: this thread is about Ketanji Brown Jackson.
> I would think that race would be the kind of thing that would be inappropriate to inject in my evaluation of a case...
Doesn't this claim completely negate the stated reason for her nomination in the first place? Why do we need another black person on the SCOTUS if it is inappropriate to inject race when evaluating a case?
Not all black people are black activists.