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Martin Luther King on the Ethics of Resistance to State Authority
Georgetown philosopher Jason Brennan offers a valuable summary of King's thought on these issues.

Today is Martin Luther King Day, an appropriate time to honor and examine King's legacy. One of the things King was most famous for was his advocacy of civil disobedience, and - more generally - the idea that disobeying laws enacted by governments is sometimes justified.
Georgetown philosophy Prof. Jason Brennan, himself the author of an important book on the morality of resistance to government power, has a useful summary of King's views on these issues. As Brennan points out, King believed that disobedience to unjust laws is often entirely justified, even when the laws in question were enacted by democratic governments:
Many people assume that we almost always have a duty to obey the law, even unjust laws. King argued that unjust laws are no laws at all. Or, more precisely, he argued that if a law is unjust, there is no obligation to obey it and no right to enforce it.
He argued there could be all sorts of reasons why a law lacks legitimacy and authority. King denied that something evil could be rendered permissible if a democracy voted for it. He thought we had genuine rights and these rights are not created by government fiat or social agreement.
He also thought laws could lack legitimacy and authority because they were passed by an unfair procedure. For instance, many countries in Southern states were even majority Black, but only the white minority could vote.
I think King was right about this, and that, for many unjust laws, we have no obligation to obey. I outlined some of the reasons why in this 2014 piece about why most undocumented immigrants have no moral obligation to obey laws denying them the right to move to another country (see also follow-up post here). The same reasoning applies to many other unjust laws, at least those that inflict great harm on their victims.
Brennan is also right to note that, on King's view, justified disobedience to unjust laws may not always require accepting punishment. He favored such acceptance, in some cases, for largely tactical reasons:
Let's distinguish between two different kinds of reasons for accepting punishment. One reason could be that you deserve punishment for breaking an authoritative law. But, as King makes clear in his writings, he generally thought the laws he broke lacked authority. Breaking these laws was not merely permissible, but heroic and good.
So, a second possible reason to accept punishment is strategic; by accepting punishment, a person can engage in a public act of protest. They can show that they did not break the law out of convenience or criminal intent, but from concern for justice. Accepting punishment could also induce the public to sympathize with the victims of the law.
Civil disobedience is a public act in which a person not only breaks the law, but makes sure others see them doing it. The point of civil disobedience is to change that law.
Sometimes, the goal of disobedience is not to effect a change in law (which, may, for political reasons, be impossible at the time), but simply to prevent injustice in that particular case. For example, many of the people who violated the Fugitive Slave Acts in the 19th century did not turn themselves into the authorities and accept punishment. And they were entirely justified in so doing. Accepting punishment would, among other things, have impeded their efforts to help escaped slaves. At least for a long time, they had little hope of getting Congress to repeal the Fugitive Slave Acts. But they could and did help individual slaves escape their reach.
At times, King seems to have endorsed a more categorical duty to accept punishment, as when he wrote that "One who breaks an unjust law must do so openly, lovingly, and with a willingness to accept the penalty." But that was in the context of writing about civil disobedience intended "to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice" and thereby facilitate reform. In situations where such reform is impossible or highly unlikely, Brennan is right to suggest that King's logic leads to the idea that refusal to accept punishment might well be justified.
Brennan also points out, contrary to much conventional wisdom, that King was not an advocate of absolute non-violence, but merely supported it as a strategy for the civil rights movement on tactical grounds:
King was not a pacifist. He believed violence in self-defense and in defense of others is permissible. He owned firearms for self-protection and even tried to get a concealed carry permit. And, as we saw, he needed those firearms because he received constant death threats and was in fact murdered.
King defended nonviolence on strategic grounds for the purpose of changing the law. He argued that if activists fought back against the police–even if they thought the police had it coming–by returning violence for violence, the public would probably side with the police and the government against the people. He thought the public would condemn the activists and their cause. In contrast, but refusing to fight back, the victims of injustice could win the public's support and possibly even the sympathy (or "friendship," King says) of those attacking them.
While King was not, on principle, opposed to all violent resistance to injustice, it is important to emphasize that he did oppose violence targeting innocent civilians, including that caused by rioting. In 1968, he warned that "riots are socially destructive and self-defeating" and that, "[e]very time a riot develops, it helps George Wallace." He opposed the riots of his own time on both moral and instrumental grounds. While we cannot know for sure, it seems likely he would have felt the same way about the 2020 riots in the wake of the brutal killing of George Floyd by Minneapolis police.
The obvious criticism of views like King's is that many people may have poor judgment about which laws are unjust. For example, those who stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021 likely believed that enforcement of the laws against doing so would be unjust, because (in their view) Donald Trump had a right to stay in power. Similarly, both left and right-wing terrorists often believe they are justified in violating laws against murder and assault.
But the risk that individual citizens may be mistaken about matters of justice has to be balanced against the danger that government can be wrong about such things, as well. Even in democratic societies, there is a long and awful history of the latter. Throughout American history, many more people have been killed and oppressed by unjust exercises of government power than by individuals acting on mistaken assumptions about which laws are morally defensible. The toll of slavery and segregation (both imposed by law) alone easily outweighs that of all morally motivated private disobedience to law combined. The extent to which people should defer to the government's judgment on questions of justice depends heavily on how good that judgment is. All too often, the answer is that it is, at best, highly unreliable.
Even when governments are acting unjustly, there should nonetheless - for reasons well-articulated by King's critique of riots - be a very strong presumption against violent action that might harm innocents. But the threshold for defensible peaceful disobedience is much lower.
King's views on the ethics of disobeying laws do not definitively settle the debate over this age-old question. Even a great historic icon like King was not infallible, and could be wrong on some questions. Still, his ideas on this vital issue are well-worth exploring, and have obvious continuing relevance, even many years after his tragic death.
UPDATE: I have made a few additions to this post.
UPDATE #2: Many of King's views on obedience to law and resistance to state authority are set out in his famous 1963 "Letter From a Birmingham Jail."
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"... many countries in Southern states ..."
should be
"... many counties in Southern states ..."
(the error is in the cited source).
If only secession had worked…
"The same reasoning applies to many other unjust laws, at least those that inflict great harm on their victims."
MLK had utilitarian tendencies.
So we talking mostly peaceful protests, or mandates?
ha ha
I think the author is wrong on this idea that illegal aliens have no moral obligation to obey laws that prevent them from entering. If nation states cannot control who comes in can any group of likeminded free man decide who is allowed in the land they protect and own? Where do you draw the line? I'd like to enter a private club but am not a member. Am I breaking the law when I force my entry? I can't just enter a private company because I want to. And nation states are the ultimate private companies...countries darn well have a right to decide who gets in and if you try without proper papers, you are breaking the law.
If you are here illegally you need to go and apply thru legal means. Open borders are the death of liberty
Open borders worked fine for 100+ years. Interesting that closed borders came along at the same time as Progressivism.
More interesting to note is how closed borders started around the time that people that weren't western Europeans started coming to American in larger numbers.
It also came along at the same time of mass transportation. Prior to the development of large steamships and railroads the number of people who could actually make those journeys was relatively small.
"Open borders" works so long as there are large fiscal costs associated with crossing the border.
Ugh. Seriously?
Man, I hope you really are Greg Proops, the smartest man in the world!
Sigh. Why do people who presumably consider themselves conservatives have such a difficult time with the concept of private property? A private club is, as the name implies, private property. A private company is, as the name implies, private property. Nobody suggests that private property owners can't exclude illegal aliens. Nation states are not "the ultimate" private companies; they aren't private at all.
Country has to mean something—common language and common culture and hopefully physical barriers as borders. Counterintuitively open borders is more akin to an empire which doesn’t require common culture and common language.
Neil DeGrasse Tyson said somewhere that he thinks the things he’d be most embarrassed to try and explain to an alien race is the concept of countries. It’s a human construct, like race or any other. It’s under no obligation to “mean something”.
And to bring up an obvious but salient point- what language would you mandate in people exactly? Should we all have learned Chocktaw? I see no reason why people can’t just do what they want & talk in the language they want, other than that it makes you antsy.
Yeah, and like as not if it actually happened, the real embarrassment would come when they gently explained that everybody had countries, complex societies didn't work without them.
I means, sure, he's free to imagine that aliens would automatically share his personal ideological assumptions, imagination is conveniently unconstrained that way.
"open borders is more akin to an empire"
Exactly right. Open borders is, as Bernie Sanders put it, a "Koch brothers idea." It is a big-government globalist fantasy.
The analogy is being drawn being a private actor being allowed to control who is within his or her property (as well as the behavior of those people) and a country being allowed to control who is within its borders, as well as the behavior of those people.
It's pretty common as an analogy.
Except the right analogy is that anyone who can arrange for a place to stay (whether by buying a place to live, renting a place, or crashing on a friend's couch) has met every necessary obligation for being here. Border controls don't enforce private property rights or any other rights - if anything, they potentially inhibit them.
I know. It's also pretty stupid as an analogy. The government doesn't own the land within the country.
Ownership consists of a whole bundle of rights, and it's fairly common that individuals in a country only have part of the bundle, and the government has the rest.
So it's not super clear that the government doesn't "own the land" in a respect relevant to this question.
Do we the people of the United States own this land? If not, who does?
I visited a friend last year who was staying on a private beach. I couldn’t wrap my head around it. So you can be walking along the shore & then you hit a fence where someone’s yard begins?
I think country borders and private property rights are, by definition, slippery slopes. I’m not dismissing their benefit- I just think people oughta not get so animated about people only agreeing with them 90-%.
I suppose that applies to a lot of things in US politics. No two political parties in the OECD agree more with each other about right-wing economic policy than the two major parties in the US. But if you’re not quite far-right enough, you’re somehow advocating for Venezuela.
Off on a tangent…
Since the subject at hand is MLK Woolworth's was most definitively a private business. Are you by extension arguing it was perfectly within their rights to exclude Blacks from the lunch counter?
"can any group of likeminded free man decide who is allowed in the land they protect and own?"
Where do you get the idea that the government owns the country? That's a really disturbing thought.
Every country in the history of the world (and tribal groups before that) has controlled movement over borders (some informal).
What does it tell us when people attempt to make America the only country not allowed a border, not allowed to protect our territory and our people? Why treat America and Americans worse than every other country ever?
No, that's not true.
And "protect" our territory and people from what?
Yes, it’s true.
And it’s not up to you to tell people they aren’t allowed to protect themselves. Everyone everywhere gets to protect themselves. Except leftists want to tell Americans we’re the only exception, the only people ever in history who mustn’t be allowed that right.
I reiterate the question you dodged: protect themselves from what?
The question falsely presumes there will never be any danger. Protection is from danger.
A controlled border allows the US to protect our people from dangerous people who might cross an open border.
Beyond protection from danger, it provides choices to allow or disallow crossings of people and goods to the advantage of Americans.
Just like every other country has.
The question doesn't presume anything, falsely or otherwise. It asks for information about your position — which, unlike the question, did contain within it a presumption: that there was something to be protected from.
So now you're just talking about hypothetical dangers that "might" present themselves. Okay, so why should we restrict immigration to protect against hypothetical dangers? Why not limit ourselves to restricting actual dangers that present themselves?
If every other country jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge, would you do it?
Other countries may violate their citizens' rights; that doesn't explain why the U.S. should violate its citizens' rights. It obviously is not to my benefit to restrict me from dealing with people who I want to deal with on the terms I want to deal with them.
Violent criminals are a real danger, not a hypothetical one. They exist right now. A controlled border provides protection from them entering the country.
Also "danger" is not hypothetical. It’s inevitable. People are inevitably, eventually in danger from something dangerous.
The time to create a border that protects from danger is before that protection is needed. Starting after the danger exists subjects Americans to harm. It’s harm that was inevitable and foreseeable, but not of a specific time or form.
Anti-Americans are ok with Americans being harmed, of course.
And if every other country had a policy, and the results for the people in those countries were arguably positive (or at least not provably negative), then yeah, that’s a strong argument for the policy.
"It obviously is not to my benefit to restrict me from dealing with people who I want to deal with on the terms I want to deal with them."
Controlled borders provide choice. You want to deal with people you choose, and have the opportunity to not deal with other people when you choose. You want exclusion, not openness. If you wanted open-norders-style openness, then anyone could deal with you on their terms and you could only say yes to anything they wanted. Obviously you don’t want that for yourself. You seem to be ok with it happening to others.
More specifically, open borders means open. If any country has convicts they don’t want to house or feed, open borders are open. Zero choice or opportunity to turn away murderers, rapists, anyone.
Countries with controlled borders can protect their people by excluding criminals. America should have controlled borders, just like every other country in world history has always been allowed to have.
Your historical contextualization is waaaay off & *no one* is arguing that the United States should be the only country without borders.
Every part of your strawman baiting is unproductive.
Why not actually read about position statements instead of taking Laura Ingraham’s word as gospel?
Isn’t it a sign that you’re not super confident about your own argument when you deliberately misrepresent one that you’re opposed to? It’s very difficult to believe that it’s not deliberate, unless you’re literally repeating Murdoch-media as if it’s news.
That’s just the usual "no one is arguing…" gaslighting we always hear. Yes, they are arguing that.
Anyone who wants a policy that meaningfully controls US border crossing gets name-called.
And now you’re gaslighting. Where’s the honesty?
Who could've guessed that the comments here would be completely obsessed with Prof. Somin's two sentences giving an example of what he considered to be an unjust law. Immigration restrictions are bad; look, a squirrel!
Anybody could have guessed that, which is why he wouldn't have mentioned it in a post about MLK, if it didn't happen to be his personal obsession that everything has to be linked to.
He certainly has strong and well-defended opinions on the subject. But it certainly wasn't the main point of the post. It's the same thing if someone criticizes Donald Trump as part of a post. Suddenly that is the only topic of conversation. It gets tiresome.
I agree with you, though, he probably did it intentionally.
Letter from a Birmingham Jail is always worth pondering.
The toll of slavery and segregation (both imposed by law)
Well, both supported and enforced by law.
You have a better case for slavery being "imposed by law" since it did not place restrictions on the behavior of whites. Segregation did place such restrictions, but in most cases the restrictions were unnecessary, and the required rules would have been voluntarily followed, as indeed was the case in many arenas.
Slavery imposed plenty of restrictions on whites. It was illegal to teach them to read or provide them firearms.
True. I overlooked that. Thanks for pointing it out.
What were the restrictions on white people exactly?
I must’ve missed all the colored water fountains with their “no whites” signs.
Illegal immigrants have no moral duty to obey our laws, tis true. Just as we are not morally obligated to let them** come. Unless and until of course you can convince enough of the citizenry to the justice of your cause, at which point the legislature can make appropriate changes.
** blah blah blah refugees blah blah blah otherring blah blah blah dehumanizing blah blah blah... I am speaking of the moral obligation to let these folks break our laws, not whether those laws are just.
They won't get put in jail for failure to obey a moral duty. They do risk it for failing to obey a legal duty. And we, citizens, have no moral duty to overlook the breach.
Indeed, there is no need to obey the arbitrary, capricious and evil Covid restrictions that in some countries is becoming close to those of early Nazi Germany.
#resist
By any means necessary...
You seem to have forgotten about Godwin's Law.
I have not -- it only applies when the the object is not a Nazi/Nazi-like.
If the jackboot fits...
Virus-flouting, antisocial, disaffected right-wing misfits are among my favorite culture war casualties.
I smell SHIT ... Kirkland opened his mouth again, didn't he?
Safe sex is SO 90's huh, sucker?????
Thank you for demonstrating anew that when Prof. Volokh claims his censorship of non-conservatives is caused by violation of this blog's ostensible civility standards (for using terms such as "c_p s_ccor" and "sl_ck-jaw_d") he is full of . . . baloney.
What did you say fuckstick? EVERY post you are full of bigotry (and feces)
You STILL crying???? My favorite faux-masculine victim of the culture war -- gargle and spit after opening wider
Which "countries" exactly are murdering people for refusing to get vaccinated? (I assume that's your complaint.)
You'll wait a long time for a coherent answer. I'm not even aware of any countries that require the unvaccinated to identify themselves to the rest of us at a glance.
Patients Waiting for Life-Saving Organ Transplant to Be Denied Treatment Unless Vaccinated
Could you be any more of a tool?
"The public health service told the news outlet it's critical that a patient get vaccinated ahead of such a procedure because the person will be highly immunosuppressed following the operation.
'Prior to transplant and as per normal process, the recipient must ensure all of their vaccinations are up to date,' the health service's statement read. 'The COVID-19 vaccination is no different.'"
You did of course see "early Nazi Germany."
Australia is totally closed off, unvaccinated are being systemically excluded in many countries, unfairly blamed for "disease," AMERICANS!!! are being required to show their papers before doing ordinary tasks like eating out and going to a play.
This was in the day a feature of Eastern Bloc life and we gladly bragged we were free -- where did the freedom go!!!!!
And yes, more than one leader has talked about an outward sign showing who is not vaxed -- early Nazi Germany indeed!
If only Jews in Nazi Germany could have just undertaken a free, quick, beneficial medical procedure and then gone on with their lives unmolested, it would be exactly the same thing, yes.
Uh huh -- just the tip!
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/salt-lake-tribune-editorial-board-utah-should-use-national-guard-to-keep-unvaccinated-in-their-homes/
COVID-19: Democratic Voters Support Harsh Measures Against Unvaccinated
"The survey of 1,016 U.S. Likely Voters was conducted on January 5, 2022 by the Heartland Institute and Rasmussen Reports. The margin of sampling error is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence. Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC.
– Fifty-eight percent (58%) of voters would oppose a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine. However, 55% of Democratic voters would support such a proposal, compared to just 19% of Republicans and 25% of unaffiliated voters.
– Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a proposal is opposed by 61% of all likely voters, including 79% of Republicans and 71% of unaffiliated voters.
– Nearly half (48%) of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications. Only 27% of all voters – including just 14% of Republicans and 18% of unaffiliated voters – favor criminal punishment of vaccine critics.
– Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine. Such a policy would be opposed by a strong majority (71%) of all voters, with 78% of Republicans and 64% of unaffiliated voters saying they would Strongly Oppose putting the unvaccinated in “designated facilities.”
– While about two-thirds (66%) of likely voters would be against governments using digital devices to track unvaccinated people to ensure that they are quarantined or socially distancing from others, 47% of Democrats favor a government tracking program for those who won’t get the COVID-19 vaccine."
While this is demonstrating a disturbing level of support for police state measures, (Just the fact that double digit percentages of Republicans support these things is pretty disturbing.) what are really frightening are the age cross-tabs.
The up and coming generation are frighteningly open to police state measures of all sorts.
You need to read up about the 1930s in Germany, my man.
Unless you can show me the part where all Hitler did was say “if you want to be a nurse & help vulnerable populations, you have to either get vaccinated or get tested more frequently”.
That’s some “mandate”.
It’s clear there are boundaries and gray zones in between. If you are a Jew in Germany in the Holocaust, you don’t have to obey the law. But you can’t disobey the law just because you think your taxes are too high or the speed limit is too low or finding a legal parking space is too difficult.
The theshold beyond which a government is so unjust that the duty to obey it is forfeited is a very high one.
In this religious and secular motivations diverge. Whether this country’s Religion Clauses are a grant representing an artifact of its preferred system, or reflect general human rights, is of course subject to dispute. But they are there.
However, sometimes the duty to obey the law is simply the obligation to accept the consequences of ones actions. One needn’t follow Baily v. Drexel Furniture in deciding whether a legal consequence constitutes the moral equivalent of a penalty, or is simply the moral equivalent of a tax. Sometimes one accepts that leading a moral life means paying taxes others don’t avoid.
The issue that comes to mind is the one at the heart of Masterpiece Bakery in which the baker is engaging in civil disobedience. The difference between the Christians that support the baker and the Christians that supported the Civil Rights movement is the Christians that support the baker don’t believe any negative consequences should come to them for engaging in civil disobedience…so they are more like the white Christian segregationists that obstructed the federal government during the Civil Rights movement.
Are there those that fit your description? Sure.
But it is also possible that because of our experience and history of civil disobedience and the righteousness of its application that someone today would prefer that the baker not suffer but instead the law change AND wish that the law had changed in the past much sooner so that the Civil Rights activists would not have suffered as well. That we can't change the past is no reason to not change the present. We don't bare the sins of our fathers... nor anyone else... if we truely believe each individual unique and justly deserving of universally fair treatment.
You can’t advertise you sell wedding cakes and then not sell them to lawful paying customers…that is very similar to segregation in the South when certain people weren’t welcome to spend their mom in certain businesses. If you don’t want to sell wedding cakes to customers don’t advertise it.
As i understand it, customers are welcome to buy any cake in the store. But if you want custom work, you must necessarily come to an agreement with the owner. Not everyone can buy any custom cake.
Should a christian baker be obligated to make and decorate a custom cake for a 'satanic wedding' (or similar)? I'm inclined to say no.
If a baker advertises wedding cakes he must bake a cake for a Muslim couple getting married…wtf country do you live in??
Should a christian baker be obligated to make and decorate a custom cake for a 'satanic wedding' (or similar)? I'm inclined to say no.
If the requested cake for the satanic wedding would include symbology or messages contrary to his beliefs, then I would agree that he wouldn't have to do that. If, on the other hand, the cake would fit within the norm of what he bakes for other couples, then he does not get to say no. That is because discriminating based on the religion of the customer is against the law in most states, as far as I know.
No one has ever argued you should make a special cake for anyone. You just can’t be willing to sell a cake to one group but not sell the same cake to another group. It’s pretty simple.
Any other red herring or strawman arguments that need to be made?
So, you agree with Masterpiece then?
"You can buy any off the shelf cake that you want, but we won't do custom work of X type"
What sort of custom options was Masterpiece talking about? If I ask for a pizza with sausage, pepperoni, and anchovies, is that a custom pizza that a restaurant could refuse to sell me because I'd use it at a party for a gay wedding reception?
Nothing I've ever read about the Masterpiece case said that the baker was objecting to a particular message or symbol that they asked to be on the cake. It was all about not wanting to bake a cake knowing up front that it would be used at a same sex wedding.
Taking a generous view of what he may have been thinking, selling them a cake 'off the shelf', so to speak, the baker would have rationalized as that he didn't know what it would be used for when he baked it, so he wouldn't be implicated in their 'sin'. But baking a cake that he knew would be used by a same sex couple at their wedding made him a (very removed) participant in their sin, and so he felt that he couldn't do that.
However, wedding cakes are usually fairly elaborate and thus pricey, so that is why they are ordered well in advance. No baker could bake those kinds of wedding cakes to simply put on a shelf hoping that someone would buy them before they were too old to sell. The Masterpiece baker had to know that he was basically never going to sell a wedding cake for a same sex couple, so the distinction about it being 'custom' is a red herring.
Freedom, how the fuck does it work???
Engaging in commerce means licenses and inspections and codes and paying taxes and fees. If you don’t want to engage in commerce then you can have a hobby of baking wedding cakes for your church community.
NO permissions slips required -- mind your own damn business
My religion mandates that I actually spit in the cakes of anyone from Sub-Saharan Africa. Or maybe just Jews.
You’re persecuting me by making those illegal acts for everyone.
Is that how this “religious freedom” works?
I must’ve missed the part in the constitution where you can break any law you want if your special club says it’s good to. It’s almost like we’re supposed to separate church and state and not allow the former to dictate our laws…
Being a certain religion shouldn’t give you special rights. *That’s* what you’re asking for.
If Christianity required you to punch children in the face, we wouldn’t be disrespecting your rights by keeping that as a violation of the law for *everyone*. you wouldn’t get to run a decrepit & filthy kitchen because of your religion either.
But somehow you should get special privileges on this issue?
Well, you're right, though as it happens the people who wrote the Bill of Rights apparently didn't agree.
But you shouldn't NEED special rights to not be forced to labor for somebody else. I thought the 13th amendment took care of that.
I mean, you can. There is no such rule.
Regarding your comment, "I think King was right about this, and that, for many unjust laws, we have no obligation to obey." So every man can do what is right in his own eyes? (Judges 17:6) That would mean that every man, when he considers everything from speed limits to immigration, can disobey those laws he thinks unjust since he has no obligation to obey them? I think not. We know from history how well that ended up for the Israelites when they chose to disregard their God-given laws.
That criticism is specifically addressed in the OP.
Unjust in who's opinion? This could lead to heated arguments about Jan 6, or about pandemic restrictions, or about whatever laws you hate and thing are unjust.
It seems like a lot of people missed the end of the article.
Yes... each person deciding for themselves is chaotic and very well may lead to danger. But compare the limited power of individuals or private groups and their arguably incorrect view of a laws just nature and the reach and power of a government and its arguably wrong view of the just nature of a law.
One will have limited damage. The other has proven to create injustice on scales a private group can not even fathom.
Yes... each person deciding for themselves is chaotic and very well may lead to danger. But compare the limited power of individuals or private groups and their arguably incorrect view of a laws just nature and the reach and power of a government and its arguably wrong view of the just nature of a law.
That's all well and good when it is limited to "sovereign citizens" and other fringe nonsense. When it becomes organized into armed groups, then the danger can be very significant. (Think of the incident over the Bundy's cattle grazing on federal land that almost resulted in violence between armed protesters and federal agents.) When private groups take up the cause of politicians that lose elections and refuse to acknowledge that, it starts to be comparable to the injustice that government with real legal authority can inflict.
There is a perspective on this that I love, from Chief Joseph:
“Let me be a free man, free to travel, free to stop, free to work, free to trade where I choose, free to choose my own teachers, free to follow the religion of my fathers, free to talk, think and act for myself — and I will obey every law or submit to the penalty.”
Very important that he did not stop at "obey every law".
The idea of accepting punishment is probably dependent on the times. When MLK was leading marches, the country was ready for the message of the marchers. When people were assisting slaves to obtain their freedom the country was not ready for the message.
I don't many true civil rights leaders approved of the rioting following George Floyds death. I think they recognized the loss when peaceful protests breakdown to riots.
No, modern civil rights leaders (and of course, Dr. King) certainly wouldn't approve or have approved of the riots. It's worth noting, though, that the breakdown of the Civil Rights movement happened shortly after and perhaps as a result of the march from Selma to Montgomery, as anger at the constant fight reached a boiling point. Stokely Carmichael's rise in SNCC, and John Lewis' sidelining, happened precisely for that reason- there was a limit to how long Black people were willing to wait for justice before they'd become despondent of change.
Moreover, even King recognized this- the Letter from a Birmingham Jail, which Prof. Somin cites, specifically includes a passage decrying the white moderate who, as Dr. King frames it, is in his own way more harmful than the KKK member, because the white moderate, who professes to be an ally, instead slows things down and demands eternal pauses from those seeking justice. And in the same letter, he specifically warns that he is standing against those who are (in 1963) close to advocating violence, warning that more needs to be done, and quickly.
That didn't stop the segregationists from claiming MLK loved him some riots:
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This point also goes to show that the issue of whether a state can secede is still an open question. Secession in 1860 - 1861, and the Union victory in 1865, was not a test of that question, because secession was not enacted by legitimate democratic governments.
This point also goes to show that the issue of whether a state can secede is still an open question.
I disagree. The Articles of Confederation explicitly called the United States a "perpetual union". The Constitution wasn't explicit with that, but every one of the original 13 states eventually ratified the Constitution, which then governed a single, sovereign nation. (Even though it took effect once 9 had ratified it.)
If the United States is a sovereign nation, then no territory of that nation can be ceded without its consent. The idea of the states being dual sovereigns is a misuse of that word that courts have gone with to explain why people can't sue the governments, unless that 'sovereign immunity' has been waived by other laws. It also is stated that way for purposes of getting around double jeopardy, when the feds and states both want to prosecute someone.
But states are not truly sovereign. It is a contradiction for two entities to be sovereign over the same jurisdiction. Sovereignty means having the ultimate authority in that jurisdiction. There can only be one sovereign, by definition.
"If the United States is a sovereign nation"
See, there's your problem, right there: The US isn't a sovereign nation, it's a federation. That's why we have a federal government.
The states ceded jurisdiction to the federal government over a limited number of topics, with the express understanding that everything else remained a state matter.
Sure, that federal government then started usurping power left and right, but the governing structure is still a federation of sovereign states, NOT a unitary nation.
See, there's your problem, right there: The US isn't a sovereign nation, it's a federation. That's why we have a federal government.
What state are you a citizen of? What state issues your passport (if you have one)? What state's embassy would you go to if you traveled abroad?
The United States certainly presents itself to the world as a sovereign nation, and we are all citizens of the United States, not one of the states. The Constitution guarantees our most fundamental rights regardless of what state we live in.
If your state's legislature could vote to secede to become its own sovereign nation at any time, unilaterally, then the Constitution would no longer protect you from that government. It could seize property you own, censor your speech, restrict your religious freedom, even jail or execute you, and you would have limited recourse as a citizen of the United States to contest it. It would be just like what happens to Americans charged with crimes in foreign countries. The U.S. State Department can only do so much to help you. It would rely on treaties and diplomacy, not your rights under the U.S. Constitution.
This is the most important reason, to me, why joining the Union was irrevocable without the consent of the United States. The Constitution must always protect every citizen within the jurisdiction of the United States, and that jurisdiction cannot be changed by anything other than the United States.
People are always talking about the tyranny of the majority around here. It would be very tyrannical for a majority to be able vote you out of your own country, wouldn't it?
"The states ceded jurisdiction to the federal government over a limited number of topics, with the express understanding that everything else remained a state matter."
I would say it was the people who approved the constitution, NOT the states. That is why the constitution had to be ratified in conventions, and not by the state legislatures. The constitution makes distinctions between federal and state jurisdictions, but I don't think that means the USA is just a confederation of states. The United States of America IS a unitary nation under the constitution, I would argue.
Until the Civil war, people said "the United States are", not "is".
"I outlined some of the reasons why in this 2014 piece about why most undocumented immigrants have no moral obligation to obey laws denying them the right to move to another country"
But we're not objecting to illegal emigration. Indeed, the right of exit is a precious one, accepted in principle by every remotely free country. (Our own goes way too far in burdening it by taxation of expatriates.)
It's illegal immigration that people object to. Freedom of entry is a very different notion from freedom of exit, and basically every country on the fact of the Earth rejects it both on the level of principle AND practice. And properly so.
This sort of asymmetry is quite common. Consider freedom of giving, and freedom of taking, for instance. We barely have any notion of wrongfully giving somebody else a thing you legitimately own, but every culture has the idea of wrongfully taking.
For a more theoretical treatment of this, I suggest Nozick's Anarchy, State, and Utopia. He does go into the importance of freedom of exit, and control of entrance, to the maintenance of free and distinct societies.
Foot voting, after all, only works if there are different places to go. Throw the whole world in a blender, and it becomes futile.
I also think there is a third reason to accept punishment: the idea that the law may be illegitimate, but the institution behind it is not.
America has passed some screwed up stuff. But even if I disobeyed an unjust law as no law, I don't think that means America is illegitimate.
Because if everyone just obeyed laws they thought were unjust and then tried to get away with it, it would be anarchy.
You are conflating anarchy and chaos.
Everyone having their own idiosyncratic law they feel bound to, and nothing else, seems like anarchy to me.
Everybody's got their line in the sand, SarcastrO. Or ought to have one, anyway. Just because you haven't ever reached yours doesn't mean it isn't out there somewhere.
Surely you can imagine a law so awful you'd feel duty bound to violate it? Even if you have a hard time envisioning it actually being enacted.
Look at my OP. I don’t disagree with you. Or MLK.
Then what are you saying above?
Everybody DOES have their own somewhat idiosyncratic view of laws that are morally binding, and laws that you just prudentially obey when the probability of detection x severity of punishment gets too high.
Sure, they tend to fall into broad groupings, but there's always individual variation.
And, in fact, there are laws on the books right now that are essentially unenforceable on account of so many people viewing them as illegitimate.
I thought I was pretty clear -
Beyond the two possibilities (public attention and positivism) Prof. Somin offered, one can think a law is illegitimate and you are bound do disobey disobey but not evade punishment because you believe in the larger institution if not this particular law.
That's the issue I have - not disobeying unjust laws, but evading them. Those are two different things, with two different implications for society.
Just to be clear, if you violated an unjust law, you'd feel obligated to turn yourself in to the police?
I am only raising something of a technicality in defining anarchy as the absence of the state. Not to be conflated with chaos which is more of what you are describing. In other words, anarchy and chaos are often used synonymously but in fact have different meanings. I would go further and suggest that chaos is what we are told would result from anarchy and that is part of the argument why anarchy cannot be allowed to exist. But there are many who will argue that anarchy will lead to the delegitimization of the use of force and would not result in chaos.
As an example, Communism is a theoretical concept of the condition of anarchy according to Marx. But Marx did not consider it to be a condition of chaos.
Marx didn't consider it a condition of genocidal totalitarianism, either. His insights are kind of questionable.
Marx's insights were fine. His ability to accurately predict the future, not so great.
Oh, right, no connection at all between the two, obviously.
I agree but I am using his theory as an example.
"Jason Brennan" and "important book" do not belong in the same sentence.
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This is a thread for MLK day. Every year I teach Dr. King's Letter from Birmingham City Jail in my civil procedure class.
It comes in the context of the Supreme Court upholding an injunction, issued by a moderate segregationist judge in Birmingham. The injunction barred protesters from marching in 1963.
In Walker v. City of Birmingham, the Supreme Court upheld the injunction. Later, the Court struck down the ordinance on which the injunction was based. The question we ask in class is how can a court uphold an injunction it knows to be an unconstitutional restraint?
The answer the Court gives in the case is that "no man can be judge in his own case." We are obligated to comply with even unconstitutional injunctions, on penalty of contempt. Our remedy is to go to the court to ask for the injunction to be lifted.
But, the Court held, it is no defense to violation of an injunction that the injunction was substantively wrong, in this case violating the First Amendment. Even if the regular processes of justice will take years.
In the case of Dr. King, he and the SCLC wanted to march in April 1963, on Good Friday. The case that held the injunction unconstitutional was decided by the Supreme Court in March 1969. Had they decided to wait, the SCLC would not have marched in Birmingham for 5 years.
The dissent in Walker v. Birmingham argues that a person should be able to violate an injunction and defend themselves at the contempt hearing by arguing that the injunction was unconstitutional, just as they can when violating an unconstitutional statute.
In any event, the SCLC decided not to wait. And they were prepared to bear the consequences. Part of the Letter is devoted to justifying the choice to disobey the law nonviolently, openly, and lovingly, and to show respect for law by accepting the consequences.
This answers the issue for the protestors, but not for courts. Should courts allow procedure (e.g. the timing of making arguments) to trump substance? When? When does procedure merely lead to the "absence of tension" rather than the "presence of justice"?
These are very hard questions. Procedure scholars (and lawyers) have to grapple with the fact that procedures *in themselves* are not justice. Following procedures will not lead to substantive justice, yet not following procedures can be unjust. /10
I wish I had better answers for you on how to think about these questions. All I can say is that we have to continue to struggle with them, and not be satisfied to think that the absence of tension is the presence of justice.
It appears the Volokh Conspiracy and its fans are honoring today's holiday by making it through an entire discussion involving race without a single use (or mention) of a vile racial slur.
Cue the song.
And another.
So does this mean that Arab Palestinians have no moral obligation to obey Israeli laws that forbid them to move to Israeli territory?
Yup. And Russians have no moral obligation to obey Ukrainian laws that forbid them entry, and Chinese have no obligation to obey Taiwan's laws forbidding entry.
And nobody's got a moral obligation not to enter Somin's home tonight, for that matter. I mean, that's obvious, he certainly doesn't have the right to keep somebody locked up in the basement, does he?
Same thing, obviously, what moral significance does which way they want to travel have?
This comment seems at odds with your 10:22 am comment to me?
I'm being sarcastic.
If MLK had lived he would have become a Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton type figure in stature or even less rather than a guy for whom dangerous streets are named after. On the flip side he certainly knew how to be a man unlike so many these days and had a great taste in hot women. Sure he may have been a Marxist and slapped a girl around every now and then but in a way the real MLK is kinda more relatable than the distant mythological saint 'rational' people like Ilya bow down to.
Don't really blame him I blame the hucksters who transformed him into something he wasn't
I could believe Jesse Jackson, maybe, but it's hard to envision MLK inciting an anti-Semitic mob to commit arson, as Sharpton did.
MLK, like JFK, benefited from dying dramatically before he could screw up and destroy his reputation. That sort of thing makes it hard for somebody to be objectively evaluated.
But he did give that "I Have a Dream" speech, and that's more than Jesse Jackson can say. The principles he enunciated in that speech inspired a generation, even if he himself largely abandoned them shortly after, in favor of racial preferences.
Perhaps you could forgive Dr. King for being imperfect with respect to your sense that he abandoned his principles, just as you forgive Prof. Volokh for engaging in partisan censorship even as he claims to be a champion for free expression.
Carry on, clingers.
With your feckless ankle-nipping. And your lifelong compliance with the preferences of your betters, who have defeated you in the culture war because they have better ideas and better character.
I don't have much confidence in this deconstruction of King' Letter from Birmingham Jail. I don't think that King ever argued that disobedience of a law which offends one's private moral beliefs is legally justified. I think he was very clear in saying that one who violates legally valid laws should accept her or his punishment, even though one believes that the law is morally repugnant.
"I submit that an individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law." To argue that one is exempt from the law is to disrespect the rule of law. "In no sense do I advocate evading or defying the law, as would the rabid segregationist. That would lead to anarchy."