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Assignments Aimed at "Requiring a Statement" of Ideological Belief from Students May Violate First Amendment
In June, I wrote about Oliver v. Arnold, which dealt with a complicated question: A public school may of course compel a great deal of speech by its students (on exams, papers, homework assignments, and in-class exercises); but it may not compel its students to "declare a belief," for instance by saluting the flag or pledging allegiance to it—or, of course, to any other symbol or idea. Where then would the line be drawn between the two?
The panel concluded that the line should turn on the motive of whoever mandates the exercise (such as teachers, or presumably also administrators or school boards); the school sought en banc, and Wednesday the court denied such rehearing. Here are some excerpts from the opinions on the subject.
[1.] From Judge Ho's concurrence in denial of rehearing en banc:
Viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the plaintiff (as we must at this stage), a public school teacher punished a student for refusing to embrace certain views on America, religion, and race.
And there are countless other examples nationwide. Some teachers require students to view themselves and others differently because of their race—notwithstanding our Nation's commitment to racial equality and color-blindness. Others forbid students from using biological pronouns and other terms that "invalidate" a person's gender identity—notwithstanding the widely-held view that biological pronouns invalidate no one, but are dictated by science, faith, grammar, or tradition. Some teachers force students to express views deeply offensive to their faith. And still others compel students to endorse certain political positions.
As in this case, these stories are allegations—not facts proven in a court of law. But they are allegations of constitutional violations that plaintiffs are entitled to pursue. They deserve their day in court—not summary dismissal under a misguided application of qualified immunity.
It should go without saying that forcing a public school student to embrace a particular political view serves no legitimate pedagogical function and is forbidden by the First Amendment. The Supreme Court made this clear in West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette (1943). In short, Barnette affirms that, if there is any "fixed star" under the First Amendment, it is that government officials—including public school officials—may not engage in viewpoint discrimination.
Both our circuit and our sister circuits across the country have repeatedly reaffirmed this principle. And naturally, this principle applies regardless of what political viewpoint the teacher is attempting to indoctrinate—whether it's a "liberal" or "conservative" public school teacher who is attempting to punish a "conservative" or "liberal" student. No legitimate pedagogical interest is served by forcing a student to endorse the political views of the teacher—not in the examples cited above, and not in the case before us today….
Schools should educate—not indoctrinate. Teachers can teach. And teachers can test. But teachers cannot require students to endorse a particular political viewpoint.
[I]t's "clearly established that a school may compel some speech." Brinsdon v. McAllen Indep. Sch. Dist. (5th Cir. 2017). "Otherwise, a student who refuses to respond in class or do homework would not suffer any consequences." Teachers may obviously test students to confirm their knowledge of various topics. For example, "a teacher may, without fear of personal liability, 'assign students to write 'opinions' showing how Justices Ginsburg and Scalia would analyze a particular Fourth Amendment question.'"
But no legitimate pedagogical interest is served by forcing students to agree with a particular political viewpoint, or by punishing those who refuse. That would offend the First Amendment—as both our court and other circuits across the country have repeatedly recognized….
This bedrock constitutional principle is plainly implicated in this case. A high school sociology teacher, Benjie Arnold, required his students to transcribe the Pledge of Allegiance and listen to the Bruce Springsteen song "Born in the U.S.A." Arnold gave this assignment to "'teach students that people sometimes recite things every day out of habit and without thinking about what they are actually saying.'"
One of his students, Mari Leigh Oliver, did not wish to participate in this particular assignment. That's because, as "a young black woman …, she feels that the portion declaring America to be a nation 'under God' fails to recognize many religions and does not match her personal religious beliefs"—and because, "contrary to the words of the Pledge, there is not 'freedom and justice for all' in America because she and other black people continue to experience widespread racial persecution."
It's easy to understand how those of us who deeply love this country would be upset by these sentiments. But like it or not, it's hard to claim that Oliver wasn't "thinking about" the words of the Pledge—after all, her whole point was that she strongly disagrees with the words of the Pledge. If anything, Oliver's response might be an object lesson in—to take Arnold at his word—the importance of not "'recit[ing] things every day out of habit and without thinking about what [you] are actually saying.'"
Yet Arnold informed Oliver—in front of the entire class—that he would give her a grade of "zero" on the assignment. What's more, Arnold went on and delivered extended remarks that confirmed that his agenda here was not pedagogical, but personal. As he told the class, "you can have all the beliefs, and resentment, and animosity that you want." But "if you can tell me two countries you'd rather go to, I will pay your way there if they're communist or socialist. Most of Europe is socialist and it's crumbling. Or it's communism. But if you ever come back you have to pay me twice what it cost me to send you there."
"You know there's a lot of things I complain about. So when it comes time in November I go vote, or I protest in writing, in legal. Those are the ways we do it in America. Where a country will crumble is when people coming into a country do not assimilate to that country. That doesn't mean you forget Day of the Dead, and whatever cultures, you maintain your language. That doesn't mean that. But you're not gonna drive on the left side of the road, and you're not gonna impose Sharia law. Because it's not. This. Country. But what is happening, and I can say it a lot more than you because I've lived longer. It's almost as [if] America's assimilating to THOSE countries." …
Based on the record evidence, including Arnold's own remarks, a jury could reasonably conclude that the Pledge assignment served no legitimate pedagogical purpose, and that Arnold was engaged in nothing more than viewpoint discrimination against one of his students. {The dissenters contend that it is wrong for a court to examine a teacher's motive. But as the above cases affirm, courts may determine whether a stated pedagogical purpose is "legitimate" or a "pretext" for viewpoint discrimination. We're just asking whether Arnold is serving a pedagogical interest—or a personal, political one. Under the dissent's view, by contrast, courts would be required to defer to school officials—both in this case and in the examples set forth in my introduction.}
It's also possible, to be sure, that Arnold can convince a jury that he was trying to further a legitimate pedagogical objective, not to punish Oliver for disagreeing with him. But that is precisely the point—the record evidence is sufficient to warrant further proceedings, and thus to preclude summary judgment on grounds of qualified immunity….
[T]he problem here [as alleged by plaintiffs] wasn't that Arnold asked students either to memorize or analyze an important text. It's that he then used the assignment as a pretext to punish Oliver for disagreeing with his view of the Pledge—as his own words again confirm….
If left unchecked, it establishes a dangerous precedent. Imagine that another public high school teacher prepares the following "spelling" assignment: A worksheet tells the story of a person whose gender identity differs from their biological sex at birth. The pronouns in that story are all left blank. The teacher instructs students to fill in the blanks of that story with female pronouns. Now imagine that the teacher's required pronoun usage deeply offends one or more students. May the teacher punish students who refuse to endorse the teacher's pronoun usage, on the ground that it's just a "spelling" test to ensure that high school seniors know how to spell "she" and "her"? (Does it matter whether the student is offended because she believes strongly in pronouns consistent with biological sex at birth, or pronouns that accommodate a person's preference?)
To Arnold's credit, he admits his was no memorization exercise—just as, in my hypothetical, one would hope the teacher would admit this was no spelling test. But let's say both teachers lie. They claim that these are bona fide memorization and spelling assignments. Under established precedent, courts may ignore such patently pretextual justifications in order to protect First Amendment rights of conscience—and disregard either assignment as mere pretext for enforcing orthodoxy….
Our society and our schools once embraced the quintessentially American maxim: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." But our culture and our teachers are increasingly sending citizens and students the opposite message: I disapprove of what you say, and I will use every means at my disposal to stop you from saying it." …
[O]ur court's decision today … affirms our Nation's founding commitment to freedom of speech. [It is a] decision that enforces the First Amendment where it is increasingly needed—in public school classrooms nationwide. A decision to deny qualified immunity and hold public officials accountable where the constitutional violation is not only obvious, but trending….
Judge Jennifer Walker Elrod, joined by Judges Jones, Smith, Duncan, Engelhardt, and Wilson, dissented:
Can a teacher in the Fifth Circuit be held liable for money damages for giving an in-class writing assignment? Until now, no. The district court, the panel majority, and the concurring opinion do not identify a single case where this has happened before—not in the Fifth Circuit, not anywhere else. Yet somehow each finds a way to deny Arnold qualified immunity. Federal judges should not be in the business of policing the lesson plans of public-school teachers. But even when we must, qualified immunity should protect a teacher who (until now) could not have known that his conduct violated a student's constitutional rights….
[W]hen assessing whether a teacher had a "fair warning" [that his actions violate a constitutional right, which would strip him of qualified immunity], looking to a "fixed star" is a sign that the right is being assessed at far too high a level of generality. Barnette involved students being required to stand and salute the American flag and pledge fealty to it. In Morgan we relied on it for the proposition that students—even elementary school students—have First Amendment rights. Oliver, on the other hand, had to complete an in-class writing assignment, which was designed to teach sociology students that people often do not even pay attention to—much less mean—things that they regurgitate from memory, be it the Pledge of Allegiance or the lyrics to "Born in the U.S.A." by Bruce Springsteen (a.k.a. "the Boss")….
Importantly and problematically, the panel majority rested its conclusion on the district court's finding a factual dispute about Arnold's "impure motive" in giving this assignment. But for qualified-immunity purposes, "a particular defendant's subjective state of mind has no bearing on whether that defendant is entitled to qualified immunity." Granted, under some circumstances we do consider subjective intent, like with race discrimination or First Amendment retaliation claims. But as those examples indicate, we do so when an official's subjective state of mind is an element of the claim—for race discrimination, motive is key; for First Amendment retaliation, adverse action must be because of the plaintiff's protected speech.
But in determining whether speech was compelled in violation of the First Amendment, motive is irrelevant. To establish that her speech was compelled in violation of the First Amendment, Oliver does not have to show that Arnold intended to make her pledge loyalty to America. The focus of our inquiry is not the teacher's motive, but the student's compelled act. Otherwise, the vindication of a student's constitutional rights hinges on a teacher's earnestness rather than the objective reasonableness of the teacher's actions. True, this approach provides Oliver a short-term win: She may proceed to trial on her claims. But in the long-run, students lose. Because a student must now prove her educator's "impure motive," a student is much less likely to prevail at the end of the day….
Judge Stuart Kyle Duncan, Circuit Judge, joined in relevant part by Judges Smith, Elrod, Engelhardt, and Wilson, Circuit Judges, also filed a separate dissent:
In our circuit, public school teachers can make students pledge allegiance to Mexico but can't make students write down our own pledge. The first assignment is a "cultural and educational exercise," Brinsdon v. McAllen Indep. Sch. Dist. (5th Cir. 2017), but the second is a compelled patriotic statement forbidden by the First Amendment. A teacher who gives the first assignment merits qualified immunity, but a teacher who gives the second will have to convince a jury he had a "pedagogical purpose." …
Our law in this area is, in other words, a dumpster fire. We should have taken this case en banc to put it out. Then we could have addressed in a more coherent way how the First Amendment applies to student speech and public school curricula, an important and developing field. For reasons that baffle me, a majority of my colleagues declines the opportunity….
[T]he panel is wrong that the teacher's "motivations" matter. Barnette does not support that view. It accepted as legitimate the school board's purpose (i.e., fostering "[n]ational unity") but rejected the "means for its achievement" (i.e., "compelling the flag salute and pledge"). To be sure, the panel cites our Brinsdon decision as authority for weighing the assignment's "pedagogical purposes." But Brinsdon was mistaken on that point….
Judge Andrew S. Oldham, Circuit Judge, joined by Elrod, Circuit Judge, also wrote a short separate dissent, likewise condemning the panel's focus on the motives of the teacher.
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Interesting!
I agree with the majority on the merits. It's unfortunately obvious what the purpose of this assignment was. I mean .... "Most of Europe is socialist and it's crumbling. Or it's communism. ... and you're not gonna impose Sharia law. Because it's not. This. Country. But what is happening, and I can say it a lot more than you because I've lived longer. It's almost as [if] America's assimilating to THOSE countries."
Yeah, that. C'mon, don't be that guy (in this case, that teacher).
That said, the dissenters also have a point. The law in this area is a mess, and a focus on the subjective intent of the teacher is unlikely to bring clarity in the law, given most cases will not have these facts.
To make my final and third point ... I hate public school constitutional litigation. What, people can't just wear stupid t-shirts and sue over those?
" I hate public school constitutional litigation. What, people can't just wear stupid t-shirts and sue over those?"
I know, right? Or sue over being asked to say a little prayer at the beginning of the day? Those lawsuits were all the rage for a while.
Prof. Volokh. Thank you. Useful cite in my own federal litigation against my local school district.
Although I agree the teacher is an ass, I'm with the dissent. The assignment did not impose on the student a duty to agree with the teacher's viewpoint. To the contrary, as I understand the facts, she could have used the assignment to express her viewpoint.
But no legitimate pedagogical interest is served by forcing students to agree with a particular political viewpoint, or by punishing those who refuse.
That is what happened, Josh R. It was wrong.
As I understand the facts, the student wasn't forced to agree or punished for refusing to agree with a viewpoint (but I could have the facts wrong). She was punished for not doing the assignment.
Now as Rossami points out, the teacher's rant could be evidence the purpose of the assignment was only to advance the teacher's viewpoint. I'm not persuaded based on what (little) I know of the case.
How quickly we forget the teachers who forced students to recite things from the Koran. Those who defended it would not in other situations, such as the Bible.
Or here.
The correct answer is no student should be forced to do so in any situation. Facetiously claiming it is not indoctrination is the problem.
In any case, the remedy as usual is buying yachts for lawyers.
If you read the majority opinion, the teacher loses not so much because of the assignment but because of the punitive rant delivered after the student objected. The dissent does not defend the rant but simply says it should be ignored.
Josh,
" she could have used the assignment to express her viewpoint."
Sure, with the gross power inbalance that a teacher has with respect to students that would not be instructing the kids what to believe and how to say it.
You seem to relish increase sensitivity to societal issues. Kick it up a notch nas express dismay at all forms of bullying, indoctrination or intimidation.
If you can't do that then you are just another ersatz religionist chanting, "language is a weapon in the class warfare."
Best wishes for a good New Year
I disagree with the teacher and the student. I would have told her that she was precisely on point. I would also have told her that transcribing the words does not mean one must believe them.
So you agreed with a similar situation not too long ago, where students transcribed or recited core Muslim belief statements, under the argument it was education of Islam and not indoctrination?
And would you do the same if studenta had to transcribe the Ten Commandments and the Lord's Prayer and Sermon on the Mount?
Just trying to define parameters to remove it from the realm of facetious situational ethics.
Simpletranscirption is one thing, going through a text and evaluating it is another. Now punishing the student for well thought out points reflected in the assognment the teacher disagrees with would be wrong but that's not what happened here. Here we have an "I don't have to do your assignments because I'm black" argument.
It's a little more complicated than that.
Whether you agree with her assessment or not, that's at least a bit more than "because I'm black" and could even be described as "well thought out points"
And the teacher's response could be just as fairly summarized as "America: Love it or leave it."
If his intent with the assignment was ideologically neutral then his response to the student's refusal to participate was just plain moronic.
Our law in this area is, in other words, a dumpster fire. We should have taken this case en banc to put it out.
Interesting metaphor. Is this the first time a court of appeals has used "dumpster fire" to describe a muddled area of the law?
When I took Federal Courts, the first chapter of the Redish, Sherry, Pfander casebook was called something like: "Why Federal Courts?" And in it, they had two opinions on the same labor law issue: one from a state trial court judge and one from a federal district court judge. The state trial judge's opinion was filled with casual language and exclamation points focusing on policy. The federal district court opinion was longer, but more restrained, text and case law focused, without a lot of rhetorical flourish. They of course came to opposite conclusions on the issue.
Apparently the point of this was to demonstrate that state court judges were a bunch of dumb politicians who can't write, whereas federal judges were serious scholars of the law. Therefore, this is why people with federal issues turn to federal courts even though there is concurrent jurisdiction.
Over the past few years, particularly with young Trump appointees, I've noticed that a lot of federal opinions, at least on "controversial issues" are more like the state one in that casebook. And in fact are worse because they're 1) really long 2) cite to a bunch of ridiculous sources for facts about the world that aren't even in the record, and 3) they do it on a bunch of tangential issues.
Let's look at two axes: Dukakis and Bush. I mean, competence and ideology. In state courts you find a good share of incompetent and ideological judges, while in federal court you may find some ideologues but few or none who are (for example) barely functioning alcoholics who wouldn't have any job if not for patronage.
No doubt the quality of judging is all over the place in state court. But I guess my point was that being in federal court is much less of a guarantee of not getting some bizarre and over the top opinions than the authors of the casebook probably thought (or perhaps still think). Indeed, given the staffing levels of federal judges (up to four clerks for appeals and up to three for district court) they can churn out a lot of pages of nonsense if they so desire.
I would generally concur. I've always viewed state court (trial level) as akin to the wild west, and federal court as much more rules-oriented and based in procedure and trying to get to the correct application of the law.
But in the last few years, I've seen a growing acceptance of Trump-esque attorney practice in federal court. Which I think has been encouraged by a judiciary that is no longer always judicious.
One (slightly) good story- I had a federal case with a very "Trumpy" opposing counsel. Pleasant enough to deal with in person, but his pleadings & motions ... ugh, everything was bizarre rants about my client, or "opposing counsel," or just misquoting the law ... it was something! All because he was making these long polemics about some culture war something or other ... in a standard business litigation case (!!!).
Anyway, the judge summoned us all for a hearing. And he let the attorney talk and talk and talk. And finally, the judge (a senior judge, who had served as a judge for twice as long as opposing counsel had been alive) just stared at the attorney and said, "Counsel, we are in federal court.* If you have nothing of substance to contribute, you should learn the value of silence."
*In the tone one might say, "Sir, this is a Wendy's."
Westlaw has five uses including this one (really four, since two are different versions of the same Ninth Circuit opinion). The others do all involve actual fires, however. So the answer to your question appears to be yes.
As is usually the case in a student(s) vs school case everybody involved is an idiot.
Be interesting to see how this applies when a student is given a bad grade for not admitting to White privilege.
[Irony alert] Well, in that case, the school could probably get the bigoted, racist, fascist white student expelled.
It doesn't appear to me that the assignment had any legitimate place in a high school class. In elementary school as a handwriting exercise, sure.
If you want to punish the atheists give an assignment _about_ the pledge of allegiance and grade it subjectively.
What, downgrade atheist students for noting the adding of "under God" in the 1950s as a reaction against godless communism?
"Can a teacher in the Fifth Circuit be held liable for money damages for giving an in-class writing assignment? Until now, no. The district court, the panel majority, and the concurring opinion do not identify a single case where this has happened before..."
Do judges really not understand that teachers are indemnified from these damages?
Police are thoroughly protected from personal liability for civil rights violations, but are teachers?
If you're talking about qualified immunity, which bars awards of money damages, it applies to all government officials. It just shows up more often in cop cases. If you're talking about indemnification, which has the government (or an insurer) pay awards of money damages, there is no general rule. It depends on state or local legislation.
". If you're talking about indemnification, which has the government (or an insurer) pay awards of money damages, there is no general rule. It depends on state or local legislation."
No, it mostly depends on union contracts.
Not in my state, or the handful of others I know about.
It seems like it would be difficult to determine the motivations of the teacher.
You want to teach students to be able to write about issues that they might not agree with (For 30 points, write about a political issue you feel strongly about. Now, for 60 points, make the opposite argument).
But you run a danger about given assignments that mirror the teachers' opinions (write about why Trump is great/terrible), extra credit for attending an anti-Trump rally, etc.
I'm not sure how you distinguish the two.
It seems like it would be difficult to determine the motivations of the teacher.
Often, but not here.
Most real-world cases aren't as easy as the examples you give, but for those examples I think it's incredibly easy to distinguish between which is aimed at promoting critical thought vs which is geared toward promoting/rewarding a view favored by the instructor.
Last year I had an Intern ask for a day off to attend an anti-Trump rally. It WAS for extra credit.
I keep remembering the teacher who quit his job because the School Administration wanted him to take down his Gay Pride flag that he had in the classroom.
I want to see how this holds up when the Student is against that, BLM or the Democratic Party. I also remember the grade school class video "Barak Hussain Obama Mmmm Mmmm Good".
Eh, we were encouraged to do political activism (even conservative/libertarian) to satisfy program requirements in HS, even in my very progressive/liberal program, as long as it wasn't simply campaigning. I think fewer teachers/administrators would have a problem with it than you think. The problem of political bias in schools is most noticeable when something unconscionable happens but the real problem is in the day-to-day work in which certain perspectives and their supporting facts are presented but not others.
I think if the assignment here had been "Write the Pledge of Allegiance exactly. Now discuss what it means to you" or something, then it would've been easy to say it's for pedagogical rather than ideological reasons. But simply "write this exactly" and then get a political diatribe if you say you disagree with it, it's pretty obvious the reasoning for it.
If Judge Ho's account of the complaint is accurate, what the student refused to do is transcribe the Pledge of Allegiance, listen to Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" and think about (presumably demonstrating in some way, perhaps by writing a few paragraphs on one's thoughts, that one has thought about) how people thoughtlessly mouth words and don't think about what they're saying. A silly assignment, perhaps, but I see nothing here that requires the student to agree with the Pledge, or the Boss, or the teacher (whose comments are certainly unprofessional and ought to lead to a stern talking-to). For all that appears, the student could have scrivened and listened and then said, by way of fulfilling the assignment, exactly what he is reported to have said in refusing to do it. If there were allegations that one's grade depended on the position the student took rather than the quality of the student's exposition, Judge Ho would have said so. Without that, I see nothing here.
And of course Arnold should have responded along those lines, or made that clear when handing out the assignment.
I'm not sure what the point of actually transcribing the pledge, as opposed to just reading it and writing a brief commentary, was.
My comment below assumes Jusge Ho’s assessment of the facts was correct. Perhaps it wasn’t.
Judge Ho goes out of his way to point out that the standard on a motion to dismiss requires the court to assume the truth of the well pleaded facts in the complaint, and draw all reasonable inferences in the plaintiff's favor. So if you are going to criticize him, you have to give him that benefit of the doubt, the same as the case law on motions to dismiss require the court to give pleadings.
Isn't this a summary judgment case where the court is viewing the facts in the record in the light most favorable to the non-moving party? I believe Ho only mentioned that requirement once.
But more broadly, it's kind of emblematic of the state of federal appellate opinion writing that mentioning the relevant standard of review once could be considered going out of one's way....
Several cases have been presented here recently where the reasoning starts out "we view the claims most favorable to the plaintiff as true, as at this stage we must." May be a function of more web sites getting blabberific over cases, to remind IANAL readers so they don't go apoplectic at the reasoning or decision, thinking it hopelessly one-sided.
So if you are going to criticize him, you have to give him that benefit of the doubt, the same as the case law on motions to dismiss require the court to give pleadings.
Says who? Cite me a rule on giving the "benefit of the doubt" to judicial opinions. Don't bother looking; there is none.
I've now read Judge Ho's entire opinion. I now know what Judge Ho says the complaint says, though he doesn't quote anything the complaint actually does say. And if Judge Ho is right about what the complaint says, it doesn't say anything that, if true, amounts to a First Amendment violation.
Judge Ho's concurrence is highly principled. He gets a lot of criticism (and I agree with some of it), but he clearly does believe that people he disagrees with have free speech rights.
<a href="https://reason.com/volokh/2021/12/12/time-to-retire-the-notion-of-judicial-courage/"Would Kerr (should we) call Ho's opinion courageous regardless of whether he agreed with it?
"Courage" is overused, as Prof. Kerr says. That's why I said "principled".
Bravo, Dilan.
Good point. Courage depends too much on analyzing the consequences of an opinion while principled can be assessed without considering the consequences.
It's an easy distinction. IMO.
Here's when I would apply the adjectives-
A principled decision is when a jurist reaches a result that is not in accord with the jurist's personal policy preferences, but is in accord with the jurist's jurisprudence.
A courageous decision is when the jurist reaches a result, regardless of personal policy preferences or jurisprudence, that the jurist knows will likely result in some type of severe personal hardship (either physical danger, or loss of position ... not merely loss of chance of advancement).
For the second category, certain decisions by judges in the South during the Civil Rights Era come to mind. I know of a state court judge JNOVing in a criminal trial (!!) when it was obvious that the police had "encouraged" the sole witness with a 24-hour car ride, and had merely arrested a random out-of-town black guy for the murder of a white person. The judge was defeated in the next election for doing that.
I think losing a chance at advancement could be a little courageous...provided that chance is actually real and you knew it. If Sutton for instance knew he sunk his possibly very good SCOTUS chances forever when he turned in that ACA opinion that probably was a little courageous. Not as much as the first two obviously, but just a little.
What's definitely not courageous is to do something you've always wanted to do that's unpopular broadly but you will suffer zero personal or professional setbacks for it because you live in a complete bubble of constant affirmation.
I see the adjective application the same way as you do.
Read Unlikely Heroes by Jack Bass for a story of true judicial courage; the book is an excellent account of the role of four members of the old Fifth Circuit and two district court judges, Skelly Wright in New Orleans and Frank Johnson in Birmingham in desegregation litigation.
I won't link it again, but there's the judge in Sicily who was killed by the Mafia because he was open to punishing some Mafia members for criminal behavior.
The judge knew he could face retaliation, but he put his duty to the community above personal fears for his safety.
Although I agree that on the merits students have a right to be free of ideological compulsion, I think this is a case where qualified immunity makes sense. These issues have been very controversial in our society. Liberty and equality have been pitted against each other. I think one has to have the humility to see that it is not always quite so obvious who is right, even and perhaps especially when one strongly thinks one is.
So while I think courts should generally resolve things in favor of the First Amendment, I also think the losing side should be allowed to pick up its ball and go home and not be punished severely for not foreseeing this outcome.
So I think qualified immunity is reasonable for the initial round of cases of this nature. It fits a key underlying purpose of qualified immunity, making sure that government officials are not punished merely for not foreseeing major social changes or for coming out on the losing side of major controversies. I think one has to take into account the fact that people are not acting on purely selfish motives, but are attempting to enforce good policy and the benefit of society as they see it.
In addition, the fact that nobody gets killed as a result of these sorts of activities, the stakes and consequences to citizens are much lower, is also a factor in favor of construing qualified immunity a bit more broadly here. After all, bad grades and such can be rectified.
Under current QI doctrine, the "bad grades and such" will never be rectified because QI prevents the case from even being considered.
The fact that nobody got killed (or was at risk) is an argument against QI. This was not the high-stress, split-second decision by cops under fire that justified the invention of QI in the first place.
I think they should have decided the merits and then proceeded to qualified immunity.
QI isn't really involved there, because QI forecloses a lawsuit altogether, and since Pearson v Callahan, there's no opportunity to even call a ball or strike. If a civil court really feels like the defendant made an honest error with no lasting harm, they can award nominal damages, or purely injunctive relief.
"In short, Barnette affirms that, if there is any "fixed star" under the First Amendment, it is that government officials—including public school officials—may not engage in viewpoint discrimination."
Unless an experimental, unapproved, 'emergency use only' vaccine is involved.
Vaccination is conduct, not speech. One is free to afvocate the legalization of murder. One is not free to commit murder, or to solicit someone to commit one.
I'm just surprised that the expression "sister circuits" has survived.
"sibling circuits?"
To the extent that qualified immunity makes any sense as a social/legal policy, it is in the context of split-second decisions in life-and-death scenarios. Cops under fire, for example. It makes no sense at all in the context of a teacher deciding on a school assignment. QI doctrine is so far off the rails that there is no sane choice at this point but to junk it and start over.
Disagree. Let’s take something like whether teachers can require students to use specific pronouns, or indeed whether they must do so.
That strikes me as a clearly debatable proposition whose resolution is subject to uncertainty on both sides. It would be very unfair to subject teachers coming out on the wrong side retroactively for have failed to guess correctly - violating their students’ free speech if the courts come out on one side, failing to prevent student-on-student harassment if they come out on the other.
This is the kind of case where qualified immunity makes eminent sense. The very fact that tempers on both sides are so high is itself good reason to take a step back.
Let’s take something like whether teachers can require students to use specific pronouns, or indeed whether they must do so.
That strikes me as a clearly debatable proposition whose resolution is subject to uncertainty on both sides. It would be very unfair to subject teachers coming out on the wrong side retroactively for have failed to guess correctly - violating their students’ free speech if the courts come out on one side, failing to prevent student-on-student harassment if they come out on the other.
There's no need for them to "guess correctly" at all. What you describe is a matter of policy for school districts to decide, not individual teachers.
You as a private citizen get no deference when making the same decisions in the context of business, law or any other aspect of participation in society. Why should a teacher or any other government functionary get a deference that is denied to the rest of us?
You can maybe argue that it's justified for cops making split-second decisions - but I'd argue that we peons also have to make split-second decisions at times. No, there is no valid defense of QI. It's a double-standard that should never have been created and that should be ended as soon as possible.
It should go without saying that forcing a public school student to embrace a particular political view serves no legitimate pedagogical function and is forbidden by the First Amendment.
Next up on the movement conservative legal agenda? Lawsuits to suppress school requirements for, "politically motivated," rules against yelling, "nigger," at Blacks.
Perfect "freedom," of course requires no school constraints against incivility at all. Any view to the contrary is pretty obviously, "political," and forbidden by the 1A.
More generally, all purposeful conduct disfavored by right-wingers—if it takes any kind of speech to organize it or enforce it—can be outlawed on the basis of 1A violations. Thus can chaos be delivered to the hated public schools.
Here is a more practical standard. Managers of purposeful venues in the public sector are entitled to the same organizational prerogatives as managers of purposeful venues in the private sector. As a matter of fact, public school administrators are not government bureaucrats meaningfully empowered to tyrannize the nation's speech. Their jurisdiction does not extend so far. Legal presumption should acknowledged that fact.
To whatever extent such public administrators diverge from standards prevailing in the private sector, a remedy can be effected as it would be in the private sector, by adjustments in policy or personnel. In the private sector, such administrative adjustments are privately accountable. In the public sector, such administrative adjustments can be made politically accountable.
Speech liberty in purposeful venues throughout the nation should be governed by the same set of standards and processes, in public sector venues and private ones. If legal adjustment to 1A liberties in purposeful venues is found to be necessary, courts can tailor remedies to meet alike the needs of public and private venues.
Those purposeful venue standards can and will differ from the more-expansive standards which are rightfully guarded zealously for published speech, in the public square, and wherever the public life of the nation is practiced—including even in public school buildings, when they are not actively under administration for educational purpose. Facts and reasons for those differences will be high priority curriculum, taught alike in all the public schools.
Wrong as always. Do you not understand the difference between viewpoint and time/place/manner restrictions?
This is incredibly stupid, as I have pointed out to you repeatedly. Not that this has ever stopped you before, in this or any other legal area. Free speech in schools is not a conservative plot to destroy schools. It has been a liberal project since the 1960s.
Here is a more caonstitutional standard: no.
Free speech in schools is not a conservative plot to destroy schools. It has been a liberal project since the 1960s.
A long liberal history supporting free speech in schools is not logically or in fact disproof that right wingers have lately mobilized to use free speech claims as weapons to attack and disrupt public education, especially on state college and university campuses.
Next up on the movement conservative legal agenda? Lawsuits to suppress school requirements for, "politically motivated," rules against yelling, "nigger," at Blacks.
I continue to be impressed by your zeal to demonstrate your profound ignorance when it comes to very simple concepts. For instance, the difference between restricting speech vs. compelling speech. But hey, at least you found another excuse to post a racial epithet.
Damned mouse misfires. The above was obviously supposed to be in response to Lathrop's ramblings.
A DC school teacher recently had her 3rd graders reenact the Holocaust, assigning them as guards, prisoners, and even one as Hitler.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2021/12/19/holocaust-reenactment-watkins-school-dc/
From the WP article: "Other local schools have reported incidents of bigotry in recent months."
I can see how you can fault the teacher for teaching the subject to kids who're too young, or teaching it in an inappropriate way, but "bigotry"? How is this an "incident of bigotry"?
Forcing a Jewish child to be Hitler, maybe?
Forcing a Jewish child to be Hitler, maybe?
How does that constitute "bigotry"?
"Don't be stupid, be a smarty. Come and join the Nazi Party,"
- Mel Brooks
"[T]he staff member said it was 'because the Jews ruined Christmas'" maybe.
I don't see how you can go from this
"It should go without saying that forcing a public school student to embrace a particular political view serves no legitimate pedagogical function and is forbidden by the First Amendment."
to this
"More generally, all purposeful conduct disfavored by right-wingers—if it takes any kind of speech to organize it or enforce it—can be outlawed on the basis of 1A violations. Thus can chaos be delivered to the hated public schools."
I guess the real question is why do you hate the First Amendment so much that you have to use ridiculous hyperbole to rail against it?
Stephen doesn't like the proles being able to speak without the oversight of editors.
I think Justice Robert Jackson's whole sentence bears repeated invocation. It is the most eloquent statement of the right to individual thought:
"If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation, it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith therein."
It is a tragedy that more people in politics, domestic or foreign, don't live up to the proposition set forth by Justice Jackson.
Didn't Gorsuch just use that quote in a dissent, recently? It is a great quote.
What if homework in general is against your religion?
You know Born in the USA isn't exactly the patriotic song many believe, they should read the lyrics.
Yeah. It's kind of odd so many think of it as patriotic.
I figured that was the point of the assignment. To really dig deep into these two common texts and compare/contrast. Seemed like a useful assignment to me. Maybe the rant was off-putting but the zero was earned.
That could be a point of such an assignment but it didn't seem directed that way and the rant seemed to confirm it.
It also seems becoming familiar with these texts is probably valid, even it you disagree with them. I've read both Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto but I don't subscribe to either.
Mein Kampf
I'm glad I'm not the only one. The teacher's ignorance to that fact is amusing, but I'm not sure it ought to be actionable. Slippery slopes and all that.
I don't think it really is that useful. The pledge and the song have little to do with each other beyond the flag and the state. Instead, compare "Born in the USA" and "Sweet Home Alabama." Many of the people who can sing one can sing the other without thinking about it and both were written with socio-political thoughts in mind, and, though it's not perfect, they're opposites in the view expressed.
I was giving the teacher the benefit of doubt and assuming that was the point of the assignment right up until the description of the rant that the teacher made after the student objected. If the teacher had stayed matter-of-fact and treated it as a critical-thinking exercise, the case would have gone precisely nowhere.
" It's kind of odd so many think of it as patriotic. "
Born In The USA is an intensely patriotic song.
It is not mindlessly regurgitative or jingoistic, but it is profoundly patriotic.
This often overlooked precursor might illuminate the point.
This site's link limit prevents a pointer, but Last To Die, from the Magic album, also advances the patriotic trajectory.
Our democracy is in peril at the hands of literal Hitler Brandon and his minions. We must take action NOW to end the rule of the elite woke club.
Voting seems well tailored to handle your concerns. November '22 is soon enough.
Not seeing you having a lot of luck getting people to go along with your increasing Goodwin addiction, though.
It is unconscionable the way these schools operate. Reform will require more Congressional and Executive oversight.
Leave public schools out of the hands of the federal government, statist.
Better idea: Leave schools out of the hands of the government
When you say “our democracy” who do you mean by “our?” Because I have a feeling your definition of isn’t actually very inclusive. I mean if you mean “our” as in everybody in the country, you wouldn’t support such a nakedly anti-democratic movement as the 2021 Republican Party who is having a tough time even managing the bare minimum in terms of respect for democracy.
Given the continued existence of government affirmative action programs, including those that give minority owned businesses preferential treatment in contract bids, it's clear that the not only does the "Nation" lack such a commitment but that the courts do as well.
A similar question was being debated in the 1980s-- should a Creationist student be penalized in biology exams for refusing to answer questions on evolution?
I suggested that exam questions could be written never to require a statement of belief in evolution. A student could be asked to demonstrate his *understanding* of the theory, but without a statement of belief.
That's too reasonable; it doesn't allow a chance to stomp on dissidents.
While I do consider that maxim to be an essential element of Americanism, it was written by an Englishwoman (Evelyn Beatrice Hall) who had lived her whole life in England, to illustrate the thinking of a Frenchman (Voltaire) who lived his whole life, except for two years in England, in France.
Santa Fe is quintessentially American, or at least it was after we stole it fair and square.
"They deserve their day in court—not summary dismissal under a misguided application of qualified immunity."
While I certainly agree, it doesn't change the fact that Judge Ho is a disgusting hypocrite. This same judge has a batshit insane view of qualified immunity in police abuse cases that is functionally equivalent to absolute immunity, never letting the seriousness of the rights violation or it's obviously unconstitutional nature stand in the way of finding some technicality to distinguish it from prior cases and grant QI. He'd normally be all over the kind of bullshit distinction the majority made.
Yet here a civil right he actually cares about is at stake, so this hack suddenly feels different about qualified immunity. Judge Ho is a disgrace to the bench.
Ho Ho Ho
I had an assignment in history college course which was as follows, pretend. for the sake of argument, you were a policy advisor to Stalin, Che Guevara, Pol Pot, Apartheid leaders, Vietnam leaders, whatever. America just elected Jimmy Carter who is very concerned about human rights (or someone else for the time period you choose very concerned about human rights.) Here are a bunch of declassified documents discussing possible American responses by main intelligence agencies. Assume you had them. What do you do?
And you would write an essay about all the evil stuff you would advise my evil leader to do. It was the most fun assignment I've had and the one I learned the most from. Not because you would actually want to do those things, but it becomes abundantly obvious America's inability to counter evil actions when your the one devising trivial ways of appeasing it whilst also continuing your evil stuff.
And my professor did say simply saying cease doing evil stuff was not acceptable, because it misses the point. The point is that nations follow their own interests, and you need to figure out who too understand what the person on the other side of the chessboard is actually thinking.
Anyway, I really hope that assignment isn't somehow a first amendment violation.
Did your professor give a speech about how the assignment was necessary because people had an irrational fear of communism and the country would be better off if it adopted the principles of Charlie Marx?
The decision in this case deals with discriminatory motives for otherwise-valid actions.
For example, assume a teacher gave the assignment, not for pedagogical purposes, but in order to practice racial discrimination against black students who objected, and assuming there's evidence to that effect? ("I want to teach you bleep bleeps to love your country the way white people love their country")
In this case, it's viewpoint discrimination being alleged, not racial discrimination.
Abolish qualified immunity and let a jury decide whether there was an improper motive or whether the teacher was just misunderstood and was trying to achieve a valid non-discriminatory goal.
A teacher could have students play out the negotiations over slavery in the US Constitution.
Students: "We banned slavery in the constitution. Yay us!"
Teacher: The southern states refuse to accept the document. Neither the North nor the South can face England alone. (Start Gene Wilder impression.) You are conquered. You get nothing. You lose. Good day, sir.
And repeat for variations on the Three-Fifths Compromise, where the South wins if the census counts slaves the same as whites and the North wins if slaves are not counted at all.
Motive is key.
Denying someone a promotion because you don't like their work is OK; denying a promotion because of their race is not OK.
Without qualified immunity, how could we protect the right of public employees to make split-second, life-or-death decisions about whether to punish students for their viewpoints?
Hmmm...
The Founders of this country fought a Revolutionary War so that, among other things, people would not be compelled to pledge allegiance to their country.
Following that example, I refuse to say the Pledge of Allegiance.
But I wouldn't want to be officially judged by some ignorant teacher or administration who think that "pledging allegiance" means "Hey, I like that" rather than understanding and accepting the master-servant relationship which pledging allegiance to something meant to the Founders.
Definition: fealty
noun
1. The fidelity owed by a vassal to his feudal lord.
2. The oath of such fidelity.
3. Allegiance. synonym: fidelity.
(The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.)
My country is not my lord and master.
I do not OWE my country anything, much less my fidelity. My country owes ME allegiance since I am the master in the master-servant relationship which our founders set up. The citizens rule over the government. The government is not supposed to lord it over the citizens.
If the government is unfaithful to me, I can change the government through lawful and constitutional means. And if the government is so unfaithful that it produces a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evincing a design to reduce us under absolute Despotism, it is my right and duty to throw off such Government. (God help us if anyone has to depend on me to be a revolutionary. Maybe if they have a "Barely Tottering Along With My Cane: brigade?)
It is not my obligation to be faithful to my country, right or wrong. My country is supposed to be right or I can to try to change to make it right.
There's a reason why our founders didn't institute a Pledge of Allegiance despite being familiar with such pledges: having one was antithetical to the system they were setting up.
Now I can discuss this over a beer with my friends and acquaintances. But I couldn't trust someone with authority over me being so stupid that they can't comprehend what I was talking about...and taking their ignorance out on me in some fashion.
When in school, I had a math teacher try to tell me that infinity plus one is greater than infinity (and refused to consider looking at a math book which I volunteered to bring in which could explain the concept). I also had a science teacher tell me that the solar wind doesn't exist because there's no air in space.
So I'm not terribly confident that a civics or history teacher would be able to understand the definition of "allegiance" or what a "pledge of allegiance" meant to the founders of the country.
And I certainly wouldn't want to be graded based on their level of unrepentant ignorance.
One of the biggest educational advantages I had was during my junior and senior years in high school my debate coach was top tier. As one of the best debate team members I was required to be ready to switch sides in tournaments and take the affirmative or negative side sometimes not knowing which one till getting into the room where the debate would take place.
While I am not claiming I don't have strong beliefs personally one of those beliefs is that the best way to come up with the strongest argument supporting any belief is to be well prepared to know and understand the strongest argument not supporting any belief. As a result it does/would not bother me in the least when someone says make an argument opposite of what your belief is.
It is common for lawyers to have mock trials before the real thing to (hopefully) get better results. But unless the opposition is good there is no assurance of better results.
While all of this is great in theory it may not be the case in the situation EV describes. Never the less the student may well be have been better served by going along with the assignment if only to increase her understanding of the strengths and weaknesses of her belief.
Well, I can say that this is not cool and not practical at all, students are already suffering in some institutions, and then there are such things. To be honest, sometimes I feel scared and a little uncomfortable with all these situations related to education. I used to think that education was bad in my time, but it seems I was wrong, I didn't study very well, I needed precalculus homework help https://assignmentshark.com/precalculus-homework-help.html, thanks to specialists I did it, but this did not change the fact that the system needs to change. And now, thanks to such actions, I can clearly see that these changes are now necessary for students to study comfortably.