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On Writing About Dobbs
A follow-up.
Josh points out that there hasn't been much writing about Dobbs, and wonders why that is. I thought I would offer some thoughts on that.
In my view, the main reason not to write about Dobbs is that the legal issues are overdetermined—and therefore not very interesting for an academically-oriented blog. Everyone knows the basic choices and their consequences. Every lawyer under the age of 75 has known them since law school. It's not clear that there's anything new to say.
Josh does raise something new in his posts, namely an implied threat of sorts. If the Court doesn't deliver, his correspondents suggest, they might end their long relationship with originalism and start dating other legal theories. Like Stephen, I'm not totally sure what to make of the threat. It may partly reflect the assumption explained in Josh's post that some Justices may be influenced by public opinion. If the Justices are swayed by public opinion, the thinking may run, we need to make really clear in a public forum (especially in case any law clerks, or even Justices, might be reading) how one crowd will react if they vote different ways.
A lot of commentary about pending cases has that kind of flavor, of course. If the Justices want to feel welcome at [our law school]/[the Federalist Society] ever again—pick whichever is applicable—they had better rule this way or that. But beyond that kind of possible goal, at least, it's not obvious to me that there is much new to say from an academic perspective. It's an incredibly important case, of course, no matter how you look at it. But it seems like more one to watch than to comment on.
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Josh certainly writes as though he's trying to influence the Court, despite repeatedly complaining that they shouldn't pay any attention to public commentary on their work.
O what a shame, that a conservative should try to influence the court! Leave that to the lefties, they are the ones that went to top-tier schools and are qualified.
The point being, of course, that Josh is a hypocrite, not that he was trying to do something I don't think people should be doing.
Josh has a whole half-baked theory of judicial power that he clearly has never thought very carefully about, and will just say whatever suits the present day's complaint, whether it's a defense of Barrett giving a political speech or an attack on Ginsburg for giving a press interview. But suffice it to say he fundamentally misconceives the importance of the Court's work being seen as "legitimate" by the public. Which is, of course, also at the center of his multi-post tantrum over the Court maybe, possibly, sorta-not gung-ho about overruling Roe outright.
Oh that's ok then, because none of the commenters here are hypocrites.
Other people have done bad things, so it's fine if Josh does bad things and no one should point it out.
Does that even make sense to you?
I'm beginning to suspect that you don't actually have a point to make.
The real threat is not new legal theories, its the type of judge and justice the pro-life base of the party will demand from the next GOP president.
If you want crackpot judges, appeasing you won’t stop that.
I'm not totally sure what to make of the threat.
Democratic justices reliably vote left, while Republicans vote originalism and end up being half-and-half, resulting in a need for a 6-3 division just to end up with a balance of results.
The threat is that originalism will be replaced as the goal.
Replaced by right wing activism, as has succeeded for the left.
If that's the way the game is played, who wants to be a perpetual loser?
Such replacing will be done not by influencing sitting justices, but rather by voting for a president and senators who will seat right wing activist justices.
"If we can't get what we want through 'principled' means, we'll adopt unprincipled means!"
I have to tell you, this pretty strongly indicates the people saying that were entirely unprincipled to begin with.
I have to tell you, this pretty strongly indicates the people saying that were entirely unprincipled to begin with.
If principles are being enforced by some deity, this is a valid view.
Contemplate the required neglect of certain principles in war.
What does "a balance of results" mean?
An integration, over multiple years, which would be judged by history as neither right nor left tilted.
I think it's safe to say that this has not occurred any time lately. The court has remained left tilted, even though majority appointed by Republican presidents.
Abortion: hard left
2A: deadlocked
Obamacare: left
Immigration: left
Gay marriage: left
Bush/Gore: right
Religious freedom: timid right
--Total: considerably left
A right wing activist would address the abortion question by determining that the constitution requires abortion to be criminally prosecuted as murder. Because equal protection for the unborn.
That kind of justice would balance out the left, but it represents a threat to those of us who love the constitution.
"Josh does raise something new in his posts, namely an implied threat of sorts."
Why can't we have more Orin Kerr's and fewer of the others? Always classy, but, as here, can be withering in his statement of facts.
Agree 100%
(During law school, Crim Pro was not terribly interesting to me. Now, I see that this was likely due to how it was taught to my class. Orin's posts [FAR too infrequent nowadays, alas] are almost always intellectually interesting, and the general issue of privacy re computer files is utterly fascinating to me. Totally due to Orin's posts over the past many years.
"If the Court doesn't deliver, his correspondents suggest, they might end their long relationship with originalism and start dating other legal theories."
Isn't it customary for people with self-respect to stop dating someone who beats them and cheats on them?
"Every lawyer under the age of 75 has known them since law school."
I'm 78, and the 75-year-old kids ought to check with me if they don't know the issues (on both sides).
You sound like a prick Orin
Why do you continue to associate with this White, male, polemical right-wing blog, Prof. Kerr?
You are better than this. I sense you recognize that, which is why your posting frequency has declined as the lather-the-clingers, bigotry-and backwardness content of this blog has surged.