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The "Reagan Revolution" and OT 2021
An "Off the Rails" Op-Ed from Donald Ayer.
With Dobbs on the docket, the Supreme Court is under a full-Court press. Much of this pressure will come from the left. Though, I have long suspected that elements of the conservative legal movement will also urge the Court to pump its brake. An amicus brief from Judge Luttig was such an entreaty in NYS Rifle & Pistol. This brief was arguably useful because a conservative--who ostensibly supports gun rights--urges the Court to uphold the gun control law. Of course, if the author in fact support gun control as a policy matter, the utility of the brief is diminished. Based on my taxonomy, the brief would not be a Type IV brief, but would actually be a Type III brief: all the usual suspects made all the usual arguments.
Today, Donald Ayer published an op-ed in the New York Time, titled "The Supreme Court Has Gone Off the Rails." Ayer's bio line states that he "was a U.S. attorney and principal deputy solicitor general in the Reagan administration and deputy attorney general in the George H.W. Bush administration." The New York Times likely gave Ayer a publication slot because he is a conservative who is criticizing the conservative Court. The media finds useful conservatives who criticize conservatives. Ayer's two prior op-eds in the Times, co-authored with Norman Eisten, were critical of Trump. (I am still shocked the Times invited me to write an op-ed that was critical of the first impeachment).
In short, this op-ed was packaged as a Type IV submission: a conservative who unexpectedly favors upholding Roe. Indeed Ayer claims the mantle of the "Reagan Revolution"!
In the 1980s, along with three of the current justices (John Roberts, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas), I participated in the Reagan revolution in the law, which inspired and propelled the careers of three other current justices (Brett Kavanaugh, Neil Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett). The Reagan revolution pitted itself against "activist" judges who were seen as following personal whims by altering the law and creating rights not found in the Constitution. Through interpretive tools like textualism and originalism, the Reagan lawyers sought to make the law more predictable and steady — as articulated by John Roberts, the job of justices was "to call balls and strikes, and not to pitch or bat."
After reading this stirring introduction, I thought the crowning achievement of the "Reagan Revolution" would be capturing the white whale, and overruling Roe v. Wade. The Reagan and Bush 41 Administrations urged the Court to exactly that. That goal became even more elusive after two Reagan nominees--O'Connor and Kennedy--cast the deciding votes in Casey. But no, that is not the thrust of this op-ed. Indeed, Ayer pre-emptively faults the Court for "discarding longstanding precedents" like Roe.
That revolution, however, has morphed into what it was meant to curtail, as the expanding right-wing majority on the Supreme Court has relied on an array of innovative constitutional rights to undermine traditional governmental actions while discarding longstanding precedents with which they disagree.
In other words, the Court should not discard "longstanding precedent," even where that precedent recognizes "rights not found in the Constitution." He continues:
In the highest-profile case of the court's new term, Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health, the conservative justices may be ready to repeal the constitutional right to abortion.
There is a tell here. Most judicial conservatives are careful not to say "the constitutional right to abortion." To say "the constitutional right to abortion" is to acknowledge that Roe was correct to recognize such a right. Most conservatives will hedge, and say something like the Court-recognized right to abortion, or the purported/putative right to abortion, or the right to abortion recognized in Roe. For example, consider this sentence in my article on Jacobson:
Yet in 2020, Jacobson became the fountainhead for pandemic jurisprudence. Courts relied on Jacobson to resolve disputes about religious freedom, abortion, gun rights, voting rights, the right to travel, and many other contexts.
The word "rights" does not appear after abortion. Subtle, but deliberate.
Moreover, he writes "repeal the constitutional right to abortion," as if the Court is a legislature that repeals statutes. Overruling an incorrect precedent is not an act of repeal.
If Ayer disagreed with Roe, he could have said so. It would have made his Type IV op-ed far more compelling: "I disagree with Roe, but think the Court should uphold the precedent." The stronger inference is that Ayer agrees with Roe, or at least agrees with Casey. And if Ayer agrees with Roe and Casey, then the utility of his op-ed is diminished: a person who supports abortion rights favors abortion jurisprudence. For what it's worth, Ayer filed a brief in June Medical, urging the Court to follow stare decisis. That case predated the current composition and alleged transgressions of the Trumpified Roberts Court.
Ayer attempts to explain the mantle of the Reagan revolution:
But they would do well to remember why the Reagan revolution in the law came about in the first place. It was motivated by resistance to judicial meddling, primarily by the Warren court of the 1950s and '60s, and it rested on the idea that judges are stewards of an existing body of law and not innovators charged with radically remaking it.
The "existing body of law" that judges must maintain is the written Constitution, and not the precedents of the Warren Court. Stare decisis does not mean, stand by the precedents of the Warren and Burger Courts.
Ayer treats Heller in a very different fashion than he treats Roe: He writes:
At the same time [the Court] seems ready to cast aside certain constitutional rights, the court today regularly gives sweeping new interpretations to other rights and invokes them to radically narrow certain government powers that were until quite recently uncontroversial, including, for example, powers related to public safety or our democratic process.
It may be ready to do just that in an upcoming firearms case in which a lower court upheld, in a manner largely consistent with other recent decisions, a New York State law that requires evidence of good cause for a person to obtain a license to carry a gun outside of the home. In the 2008 Heller case, the Supreme Court acknowledged that the Second Amendment right to bear arms does not allow a person to "keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose."
New York prevents New Yorkers from carrying weapons for any reason whatsoever. Ayer seems to agree with Luttig that Heller only protects a right to keep a gun in the home.
Ayer adds that a right to public carry would be a case of"sweeping new interpretations [of] rights." Again, his mode of judicial interpretation seems backwards. An unenumerated right to abortion is "longstanding" but an enumerated right to bear arms is "sweeping."
Ayer views affirmative action in a similar light:
Another potential blockbuster case — it is not yet officially on the docket — would consider a reversal of the court's precedent approving affirmative consideration of race as a factor in college admissions.
Ayer puts a lot of weight in the Bakke line of decisions--another precedent the Reagan Administration opposed!
Ayer criticizes Brnovich:
The court also intervened for the second time to severely undermine the Voting Rights Act when it voted 6-3 to greatly narrow Section 2.
But that decision was a crowning achievement for former Reagan administration wunderkind John Roberts!
Granted, I was four years old when President Reagan left office, but I struggle to see how Ayer can claim the mantle of the Reagan Revolution.
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Oh, for God's sake, Josh. Do you really have to Blackman all over every post?
(Okay, to be fair; I guess some questions do answer themselves.)
Why such negativity?
Josh Blackman of South Texas College Of Law is (with fellow Federalist Society favorite and committed clinger Adrian Vermeule of Harvard) the future of conservative legal academia.
This calls for a song!
Amazing how these Reagan Revolution veterans manage to take positions opposite of Reagan himself.
Anybody who argues that the Sullivan Laws are in any way constitutional are just liberal and delusional. But I repeat myself. They were explicitly enacted to keep the brown sub-races (Italians and Jews) from arming themselves.
It’s weird how the only racist laws still in existence in America are gun laws…and to Republicans racism is no longer a problem in any other aspect of American life?!? That said, some gun regulations very obviously arose from transparent instances of racism with the most blatant example Governor Reagan outlawing open carry after he peed his panties at the sight of scary Black dudes open carrying.
It would be weird if it were true, but there are other racist laws left. I believe some of the occupational licensing laws and zoning laws had similar origins.
I'm sure Harold Haley would agree with you that it was transparently racist to worry one's head about those Black dudes. If his head hadn't been blown all over the car's interior.
"urge the Court to pump its break."
What the what?
I assume he meant, "pump their brakes"? As in, panic stop their current course?
Actually, to pump the brakes is a method to maintain control while slowing the car (at least on a slick surface in the days before anti-lock brakes), possibly in preparation for a potential hazard ahead. A panic stop, on the other hand, usually denotes jamming hard on the brakes because one it too panicked to attempt a more controlled stop.
So, the metaphor seems to fit Josh's intent, though your suggestion might better fit yours.
Well, fair enough. Anyway, a failure of autocorrect.
Gramatically, wouldn't it be "their", not "its"? Since the Court is a group of people, not a singular entity?
Usually it is “pump the brakes” without any possessives.
"pump its brakes"
Also, an extraneous comma after "Though".
And ""if the author in fact support[S} gun control..."
All in one paragraph.
Well, he's probably not talking about hand-pumped break-action shotguns.
"Granted, I was four years old when President Reagan left office, but I struggle to see how Ayer can claim the mantle of the Reagan Revolution."
He represents the missing 180 degrees, obviously.
One assumes that writing these posts keeps Josh from running down the street and biting people on the ankle. At least, one hopes so.
Here I was wondering whether or not he actually has a job
LOL
I did laugh out loud at that one. Nice image.
Calling out the fake "conservatives" as frauds is worthwhile as long as they keep being rolled out to pretend that they are what they are not.
Indeed. I think the media are still referring to some of the NeverTrumper's as "Republicans" who themselves have publicly admitted that they've ditched the party, like William Kristol.
He was fired as deputy attorney general and replaced by Bill Barr. Barr got to become attorney general (twice!) instead of Ayer.
Nursing a grudge for decades until the RESISTANCE! attracted every crank.
Now Trump is gone [for now] and he, like most Never Trumpers, is permanently on the left's side. Sad.
Why would being on the victorious side of the American culture war, and on the right side of history, be sad?
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Waste of brain cells warning
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For any one reading the above, Kookland is performing his weird trick of "footnoting" his posts with a music video. I didn't follow it, but hovering over it shows "youtube". So there's no need to click on it.
And then there's his tiresomely triumphal crystal ball.
That exhausts his bag of tricks. No use in saying "Roll over, boy!" That's beyond his abilities.
Sour grapes? Nothing more? = He was fired as deputy attorney general...
Granted, I was four years old when President Reagan left office
That explains a lot.
What?
According to Josh's taxonomy of argumentative usefulness, I wonder how many, if any, of his own arguments he'd consider useful?
I am sure he would find a way to make the case that this is an unexpected argument from an unexpected "signatory." Because that's what he does here - "You might think that this is an expected argument from an unexpected signatory, but for reasons I've inferred from a few turns of phrase and the fact that these expected arguments are so unexpected from this signatory, I've concluded that the signatory is in fact not who he claims to be, and so is expected."
What an incompetent hack this guy is.
The NY Times also loves the CIA - when they fret over global warming. Ditto the Pentagon.
Your point?
That their strange new respect for Luttig and Ayers is of a piece with that.
You really needed this explained to you?
Summary of all the comments here:
"I have nothing substantive to say about the post, so I will just attack Blackman as a dope. Makes me look clever without actually having to engage in the issue."
The notion that a radical break from the Constitution should be upheld because it is "precedent" is anything but conservative. Where it otherwise, we would still have racial segregation. Roe is, pardon the expression, a judicial abortion, and should be discarded as such.
"Roe is, pardon the expression, a judicial abortion, and should be discarded as such."
Yeah. Why on earth would women have the right to medical procedures decided upon between them and their doctors?
Hardly a 'radical break' from the Constitution.
Naturally, you can't provide any evidence for that allegation.
It my very well be appropriate law, but as for being a Constitutional Right? Hardly.
One, they can. In any state that legalizes it. See, 10th Amendment.
Two, it's not in the Constitution. Period.
Three, and most importantly, it kills the baby. What section/clause of the Constitution is the baby killing clause??
One, the Supremacy Clause.
Two, the Ninth Amendment.
Three, no one can legally kill a baby. Before live birth, it isn't a baby. The Constitution doesn't say anything about things that aren't people yet, so no clause addresses a fetus.
1) The Supremacy clause only makes the Constitution, treaties, and laws adopted pursuant to the Constitution supreme. Abortion falls under none of these.
2) The 9th amendment isn't a blank check for the judiciary to create rights that didn't previously exist.
3) Yeah, got it: Viable organism is a "fetus" here, six inches further it's a "baby", without having changed in any biological sense.
1) Agreed. Any federal law protecting bodily autonomy or privacy (or religious freedom, or personal medical decisions, etc.) would prevent states from trying to bypass them by banning abortion. My comment was in regards to the statement "One, they can. In any state that legalizes it. See, 10th Amendment.". The Supremacy Clause, as I understand it, gives federal law supremacy when state and federal laws are in conflict. Correct?
2) I never said it was. The statement that "Two, it’s not in the Constitution. Period" is not true because the Ninth Amendment specifically says that there are unenumerated rights. I personally believe that bodily autonomy is one of those unenumerated rights. And, although I'm not a lawyer or a ConLaw scholar so I could be wrong, I believe that has been established through legislation and jurisprudence.
3) Yes. That is how the law reads today. And that is, at the very least, more reasonable than the idea that personhood begins at conception.
I was responding to the post before mine. And none of my points were wrong.
The majority opinion in Roe helpfully proves that it is a radical break from the Constitution. It lists statutory prohibitions against abortion going back to 1805, with common law sanctions for I don't know how many centuries before that.
Yet no one ever imagined that the Constitution implied any such scheme as the Roe court imagined into existence until 1973.
If that's not a "radical break", I can't imagine what would be.
So women should be free to choose or reject vaccination or masking?
"so I will just attack Blackman"
That is all the libs here do every Blackman post. Its 100% insults, 100% of the time.
Calling him "Josh", making fun of his first teaching job etc.
I guess when he is on the federal court next GOP president he'll have the last laugh.
Calling Josh by his actual name is an "insult?"
Talk about thin-skinned snowflakes!
Well sure, Bob.
Blackman's posts are pretty much only good for entertainment value.
They are impossible to take seriously.
That isn't fair. He is an extremist, so he has massive blind spots, but he should be taken seriously. He obviously puts a lot of thought into his articles. I personally find myself disagreeing with his conclusions most of the time, but that doesn't mean he isn't a valid voice in the conversation.
he should be taken seriously
Why, because he said something?
He obviously puts a lot of thought into his articles.
This is far from obvious.
I don't mean this offensively, but are you a fucking idiot?
Prof. Blackman puts approximately zero thought into his masturbatory logorrhea, and if you have the good judgment to not be one of his students, you have no obligation to treat him as anything but a joke.
I didn't say that I believed or supported his positions. But he is consistent in his foundational beliefs, he uses supporting documentation, and his positions are shared by a sizable minority of people who share his views.
Yes, he is smug, condescending, dismissive, and biased. But if that were disqualifying, most people outside of the middle 20% wouldn't have a seat at the table. Better more voices, with some spouting nonsense, than less.
Have you ever met Blackman? Some of us have. He *IS* a joke
I have not. And that probably makes my life a little better.
The notion that a radical break from the Constitution should be upheld because it is “precedent” is anything but conservative.
The problem with this statement is that it entirely begs the question. You subscribe to a theory of constitutional jurisprudence that is completely inconsistent with the way that the body of constitutional law has developed over two centuries.
Simply put, abortion rights are constitutional rights because that is how we have characterized them. They are the logical consequence of a series of decisions, also based in the text of the Constitution, that have built and elaborated upon privacy rights as applied to body autonomy. And in the decades since, abortion rights have continued to be upheld as such. That is all there is to say about it.
Now, what you (and Josh) are doing by trying to distinguish between rights that are "in the Constitution" and other rights that are merely, I dunno, "quasi-constitutional", is to draw a categorical and somewhat irrelevant distinction between them, from a jurisprudential point of view. That is, nothing in the Constitution itself draws this distinction, nor do our centuries of case law make any meaningful legal distinction between rights that have a clear, direct textual basis in the Constitution and rights that have a more tenuous link to the original constitutional text. Levels of scrutiny do not turn on this distinction. No Court opinion has overruled or distinguished prior holdings based on this distinction (consider, e.g., Lochner, Korematsu, Employment Div. v. Smith, etc.).
Rather, the whole point of saying that some rights are actually "in" the Constitution, while others are not, is to avoid the difficult argument that it is for some reason now time to overrule Roe v. Wade. Your argument becomes simply: it is "bad law" just because it is.
It is almost absurdly in bad faith, and I'm not at all surprised to see Josh engage in it. Maybe a little surprised that he not only is unaware of what it signals about his arguments or is worth bragging about, but goes so far as to claim that all "judicial conservatives" employ the same semantic parsing.
"Rather, the whole point of saying that some rights are actually “in” the Constitution, while others are not, is" that it's actually true.
You're right, however, that no court has distinguished between rights actually found in the Constitution, and rights some judge pulled out of his ass. Unless maybe to be a bit more protective of the latter...
Thank you for so perfectly demonstrating that there is no actual argument behind your position.
Brett, do you believe that there are unenumerated rights, as the Ninth Amendment says?
Indeed, there are. And were. But the "right to abort" wasn't and isn't one of them.
And I say this as someone who isn't opposed to abortion. Had the Roe or Casey schemes been legislatively created I wouldn't give them a second thought.
I'm not a lawyer, so I'm not sure what the actual ConLaw basis they cited was, but I believe it was basically a privacy/bodily autonomy argument, wasn't it? Both of which are pretty compelling arguments.
Or are you one of the people who thinks that the reasoning was correct but the decision was wrong? So maybe that privacy and bodily autonomy are unenumerated rights, but they don't apply to abortion?
The constitutional basis for privacy rights stems from the much-pilloried "penumbra" and "emanations" relating to privacy that one can find in the Bill of Rights.
The idea being: several of our core constitutional rights are, in a fundamental way, about what we do in the privacy of our homes, our minds, our person. The right to free exercise, for instance, is the right to practice our faiths in whatever way we deem fit, certainly at least within the privacy of our homes and churches. Our right to be free of unreasonable searches and seizures without warrants similarly protects what we do and keep within the privacy of our homes. The Fifth Amendment prohibition on self-incrimination relates to our own private conscience. The constitutional bar on the quartering of troops is another, if archaic, support for this "penumbra" of privacy rights. One might even cite the Ninth Amendment here.
"Conservatives" mock this kind of reasoning, but it isn't that unusual in broader constitutional law, which similarly derives principles of law from the structure of the Constitution (political questions), infers negative principles from affirmative provisions (state sovereign immunity and the dormant commerce clause), and invents entire doctrines that are not provided for in any constitutional text (prudential standing). "Conservatives" might also tend to argue that this kind of judicial reasoning is unmoored from any limiting principles, so a salutary return to the original text is called for. But somehow the common law has developed slowly over centuries in the same, "unmoored" fashion, without producing the kind of mischief they predict must result from any kind of "living constitutionalism."
Ultimately, it is very hard to understand why any "conservative" would argue for giving the state and federal governments more power to directly regulate our lives, particularly when so many state governments are taking steps to entrench electoral practices whereby elected officials can protect themselves from democratic accountability. They are basically saying, "Let's give them more power while at the same time ensuring that they have little reason not to abuse it." Why? Where do "conservatives" think that will ultimately lead us?
I'm one of "those people" who think that those who ratified the Constitution were perfectly aware of an individual's natural right to privacy and bodily autonomy and did not and would not imagine that regulating abortion violated either. And it's not within the remit of the members of the SCOTUS to import THEIR opinions into the agreement between the States.
To have bodily autonomy and/or privacy be irrelevant to a woman making medical decisions without state intrusion there would have to be a competing interest, correct? How else would the state clear the threshold to prevent a woman from making those decisions?
Both of which would be pretty compelling arguments if they ever took them seriously outside the context of sex. But since they never have, were obviously just hand waving.
Both of which would be pretty compelling arguments if they ever took them seriously outside the context of sex. But since they never have, were obviously just hand waving.
I suppose what's sadly ironic about this is that - you know, sure, I'd agree that the body autonomy cases should have been extended to other areas. Euthanasia. Illegal drugs. And so on.
But you know why they haven't been so-extended? It has a little something to do with electing Republican presidents and executing on a decades-long strategy of pushing the Court to the right. We've been on that trajectory since the early 80s.
"Brett, do you believe that there are unenumerated rights, as the Ninth Amendment says?"
Sure. The unenumerated rights of the 9th amendment are those things that would have been recognized as rights at the time it was ratified, which nobody thought necessary to enumerate.
That is to say, to claim 9th amendment status, you must establish that the putative right would have been viewed as a right in 1791.
There are plenty of candidates for such rights: The right to engage in commerce. Freedom of travel. The idea that abortion was among them is pretty hard to defend, though.
Would you consider doctor/patient privilege (or whatever they called it in Colonial times) as something they would recognize?
Josh's arguments in this post are, as in nearly every other one he makes, ideological ipse dixit and fan fiction about the Court's sekret motives.
His subject here isn't the Court. It's fake "conservatives" propped up by the Left as exemplars of "good conservatism". Your brain is broken. But, yes, we already knew that.
Gandydancer, differing with movement conservatives is more a testament to genuine conservatism than otherwise. Actually, it is more like a requirement, even if it is not sufficient to prove conservatism completely. Movement conservatives are not conservatives at all. To be an actual conservative you must differ with so-called, "movement conservatives."
That, by the way, shows why there is neither error nor hypocrisy when people on the left, "prop up," as you say, actual conservatives. A Burkean conservative may be a figure a leftist can respect, but that in no way implies identity between leftist politics and Burkean conservative politics.
Attempts to claim the mantle of conservatism by anti-institutionalist, own-the-libs radicals ought to be rejected with scorn.
The media finds useful conservatives who criticize conservatives.
For this statement to have any meaning, you would have to recognize that: The media finds useful liberals who criticize liberals.
Also keep in mind that Reagan would have no place in today's Republican party because he was far too liberal.
OM,
They (the various media) DO find dissenting liberals useful. Just by flipping the channels over the past few days, I saw many many many examples of liberals in the House criticizing moderates and conservative Dems in Congress, relating to the various pieces of legislation. This sort of dissent makes for compelling viewing. You seem to think that the media fail to recognize this. Or that they do recognize this, but engage in a self-destructive plot to not air such dissent.
That strikes me as delusional . . . have you not turned on a TV set in the past 2 weeks? If you watch something in addition to Fox News, you'll see repeated examples of the very phenomenon that you claim does not exist.
You are so dumb that you're attacking another Prog for saying something he didn't remotely mean.
Not that what he said made any sense. Jennifer Rubin, e.g., is not a "liberal who criticizes liberals". She's a liberal pretending to be a conservative who criticize conservatives. THAT is what the NYT and its ilk deem useful.
The good Mr. Ayer seems chapped the other guys got all the good jobs and all he got was the proverbial t-shirt. So, at some dinner party or beach-town gathering of the well-to-do he makes a bit of a scene criticizing the guys who got the good jobs. Someone else puts the Times onto him as one of the proverbial useful idiots who can be trotted out to give "balance" and they give him some ego strokes.
The NY gun control laws have been controversial since day one. And every time they were tightened, they got to be more controversial. It's just that the social elites who comprise the judiciary saw it as in their interests to keep the rabble disarmed, lest they get some uppity ideas about equality and such. No controversy in the elites' minds, plenty - unheard or un-listened-to - among the non-elites.
I love how JB's taxonomy of usefulness spells out that all of his posts are completely lacking in utility.
"I was four years old when President Reagan left office." I was 45 then.
I'm now (do the math) 78, and still waiting for a reasonably conservative Republican President, who would appoint reliably conservative justices. I hoped that Bush 41, having served as the Gipper's VP for 8 years would have learned something, but ("read my lips") he hadn't. Then I hoped that Bush 43, having grown up in Texas instead of Connecticut (where I grew up, so I know), would have learned something. He had learned a little, but not enough. He saw the great risk the US was taking with sub-prime lending, but as soon as he was accused of racism for opposing it, he backed down, and that was the end of any hope for electing another Republican President in 2008.
For judicial nominees, Trump did pretty well, for a Republican (Democrat Presidents seem to do a much better job in appointing reliable liberals to the Supreme Court -- no Democrat President since Kennedy appointed White has screwed up as badly as the typical Republican President). But "conservative jurist" can mean so many different things, and spending your life as a real estate developer doesn't equip you to figure out what a potential nominee would actually do on the Court.
Who would President DeSantis or President Abbott appoint to the Court?
Or President Harris?
Is Judge Jeffreys still available? He would be in the 9th Circuit if the Supreme Court hadn't frowned on letting dead judges vote.
He saw the great risk the US was taking with sub-prime lending, but as soon as he was accused of racism for opposing it, he backed down, and that was the end of any hope for electing another Republican President in 2008.
Huh? Could you clarify your point, because as written it makes no sense.
Oh, I don't think even Eric was paying attention to what Eric was writing.
Actually, if Eric was an artist in southeastern PA and believed that both Bushes were Democrats, I would know he was my friend Steve. I think he knows exactly what he is saying.
Bernie, it's not complicated, but let me spell it out. The financial crisis of 2007-09 triggered a severe recession (you knew that, right?), which assured that a Democrat candidate for the Presidency was almost certain to beat a Republican candidate, as in fact happened. You remember Obama v. McCain? The financial crisis was in substantial part caused by defaults on "sub-prime" loans, or more precisely on instruments that packaged a lot of subprime loans, on the theory that putting a lot of bad loans together in a package made the package LESS risky (really). Bush 43 saw that this created a risky situation and called for reducing sub-prime lending. However, the Democrat leadership in the House and Senate decried Bush's proposal because it would make it harder for minorities to borrow money to buy homes, etc. And 43 backed off.
Yeah, I know it doesn't make sense, Bernie, but often politics doesn't.
Obama beating McCain was kind of over-determined, though, wouldn't you say? (Rather like Clinton beating Dole.) McCain was the sort of Republican who was only enthusiastic about defeating other Republicans, his campaign against Obama was rather half-hearted, even before he suspended it, and it never really resumed in earnest.
Yes, Brett, I agree with you about Obama v. McCain. McCain was an awful candidate, and an awful Senator.
That it's sufficient I deny, but it makes perfect sense, as far as it goes. For the benefit of those, like you, on the short bus, I'll spell it out.
1) "He saw the great risk the US was taking with sub-prime lending..."
I'm highly dubious that Worthless Jr. ever actually saw anything, but his admin did make noises about misbehavior and self-dealing at the pseudo-private mortgage purchasing entities, etc.
2) "as soon as he was accused of racism for opposing it, he backed down,..."
Yep. He went all-in on forcing race-based lending to people with crappy credit.
3) "...he backed down, and that was the end of any hope for electing another Republican President in 2008."
That that was the only reason the GOP was in bad odor in 2008 is arguable, but the mortgage paper collapse and bailout didn't help.
How did you interpret it, so that it "didn't make sense"?
"Stare decisis does not mean, stand by the precedents of the Warren and Burger Courts."
Of course that's what it means! Can you find a liberal or "as-a-conservative" commentator who invokes stare decisis in any other context?
Stare decisis also does not mean, disregard all Supreme Court opinions up until now, since we have a deeper commitment to the Constitution.
What does Josh even mean, here? Is someone arguing that the Court shouldn't abide by more recent or more aged precedents? It's true that Roberts' Court hasn't shown a lot of respect for some post-Burger precedents, but that doesn't mean that he shouldn't have.
"It is a maxim among these lawyers that whatever has been done before, may legally be done again: and therefore they take special care to record all the decisions formerly made against common justice, and the general reason of mankind. These, under the name of precedents, they produce as authorities to justify the most iniquitous opinions; and the judges never fail of directing accordingly."
/Jonathan Swift
https://www.cliffsnotes.com/literature/g/gullivers-travels/summary-and-analysis/part-i-chapter-5/part-iv-chapter-5-2
Can you find a liberal or “as-a-conservative” commentator who invokes stare decisis in any other context?
All the discussion right now about Employment Division v. Smith.
Don't be reductive just because the OP is.
Frum, Brooks, Boot, Rubin..wow that is interesting isn't it? Neocons...ha ha ha
I thought supporters of Smith defended it on its own (alleged) merits, not on the grounds that, gosh, it might be wrong, but it's too late to challenge it.
If I'm wrong, proving me wrong with a citation should be total child's play.
In his concurring opinion on the Catholic Social Services v Philly case Alito goes to great length to accuse the majority of doing exactly that.
Didn't most Justices duck the issue in that case?
That was his accusation. I haven't read their opinions, and only partly listened to his. Looking, I see Gorsucks also ends with a similar accusation:
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/20pdf/19-123_g3bi.pdf
Stare is not alone sufficient, or else you would never overturn anything - you need a decisions that is defensible on it's merits as well.
No one is saying follow Warren and Burger Court precedents just because; that's a strawman's view of Stare.
Look at the decision in Casey, as long a discussion of Stare as you will find. It manages to find some time to discuss the merits of the core holding on Roe as well. Because it has to.
He sounds like a neocon...I was 17 when Reagan was elected (in a very FDR ethnic democratic household) and thought we were going to get the return to the old right that Reagan talked about. Closing down the alphabet agencies, going back to the gold standard and ending deficit spending once and for all..oh and deep sixing Roe versus Wade. But the truth was the Regan admin was taken over by idiot keynsians pretending to be austrians, neocons and lovers of big govt. This guy sounds like the typical fake conservative whose priorities were big govt, tax cuts, and interventionism..
Closing down the alphabet agencies, going back to the gold standard and ending deficit spending once and for all.
Give Reagan some credit. He was too smart to do much of that.
Fucking gold standard. Depression-maker.
The gold standard didn't cause the depression and you know it..it was the european powers that didnt' want to pay for WW1 and had old Ben Strong inflate the dollar so the Brits/French didn't have to devalue their currency as they needed to do. Look at the wars/deaths before and after the gold standard. the real barbaric relic is fiat currency..millions died..didn't occur in the 19th century did it?
To be honest I'm shocked any libertarian on Reason actually buys into keynsian economics..its total bullshit
the Brits/French didn’t have to devalue their currency as they needed to do.
Among other idiocies in your comment, note that the UK devalued before the US did.
And I don't get how you can scream about the gold standard while claiming that France and the UK should have devalued.
This idiot ^^^^^ thinks you can keep printing fiat currency w/o end and no one will ever notice that it's not worth shit.
This is why conservatives lose. We have idiots like this guy and David French.
There is nothing even philosophical consistent about this op-ed. It is just a partisan hatchet job to appeal to the base and attempt to manipulate the court from far.
I hope the Left does succeed here though and packs the court under the name of "reform" because we need to finally slip into Banana Republic status so there is some kind of impetus to finally deal with the question of what to do with the libs.
What do you think is the answer to "what to do with the libs?"
You favor a final solution, maybe.
Yeah we need some sort of solution. Do you have any ideas?
Do you have any self-awareness at all?
My liberal friends are talking about ways to force conservatives to wear masks and get vaccines that could help facilitate a return to normal in the face of a pandemic, and wonder why we can't manage to pass popular tax increases on the wealthy.
Conservative commentators here openly enthuse about killing their liberal neighbors, in response.
And we need a solution for the libs?
Now that you describe your "liberal" friends, sounds like we need more a solution about the nazis they have become then the libs. Got any ideas?
Look, I get it. I'm not wild about the idea of the government compelling people to undergo medical treatments of any kind, even if they're medical treatments that are proven to be effective and that the vast majority of people have no good reason to resist. I appreciate that there's a line there, even if it's one that hasn't historically been that significant.
But I am also aware of the violations of liberty coming from the other direction. The libs want masks and vaccines. The conservatives want to ban abortion, criminalize protest, fine social media companies for not carrying their political messaging, undo electoral results if political actors conclude that sufficient "shenanigans" have occurred under their own watch, exempt religious organizations from as many laws as possible.
I don't see any shadowy agenda behind the libs' mask-and-vaxx mandates. It's annoying, it's patronizing, but it's isolated. But there's a clear agenda on the conservative side, and it's to entrench a political order that specifically excludes me. So yeah, there's one side of this equation I'm more worried about than the other.
"The conservatives want to ban abortion, criminalize protest, "
Criminalize protest? Now, wait a minute.
Are we talking criminalizing protest as such?
Or are we talking 'criminalizing' acts that are already criminal, even if they're committed as part of a protest?
Because the latter I'm aware of, the former? Haven't seen that.
I'm talking about laws that make it easier to accuse and convict people of participating in a "riot" and that simultaneously lower the threshold for determining when a "protest" constitutes a "riot."
I have no problem with taking a person who's thrown a brick through a window while a "protest" is happening and charging them with a crime for that. Of course, no change in the law was required to enable that.
What I take issue with is expanding the scope of criminal liability to include people who organized protests where other people engage in those kinds of criminal acts, to pick up protesters that did not engage and had no intention of engaging in such criminal acts, just because they were deemed to be "participating in a riot," or to take fairly minor offenses like blocking traffic and attach onerous penalties to them.
You know, stuff like we're seeing in Hong Kong right now.
I'm not enthusiastic about the necessity of killing the likes of you.
But I won't rule it out, either, if you keep fucking with my country.
Yeah I thought we voted out the nazi. Guess not, sounds like somehow that insurrection must have worked and they got back into power. Forcing people to wear masks and take medical treatments against their will? Next thing you know we will be requiring people show their papers to get into public accommodations or get a job!
Whoa, wtf?
Let me check the Just War criteria...no, nothing about killing liberals.
I suppose this soft-on-liberals attitude makes me some kind of conservative "cuck"?
Who said anything about liberals? I don't associate actual liberals, even by the bogus American definition, with tyranny enablement. But the minions of would-be tyrants are fair game in the necessary combat, if it becomes necessary. That's just the way it is. You deny this?
I deny that you're totally sane.
I deny that you're totally sane.
It certainly isn't your country, you fucking psychopath.
Thanks for making my point for me.
I'm leaning towards not giving you the benefit of being considered a compatriot, either. That has logical consequences when you attack my liberties.
What I'm saying is that it is not yours to control or speak for; it is ours. If we disagree on how the country should be run, we vote for our preferences and whoever has the greater number, wins. We don't talk about "second amendment remedies" whenever we lose an election, you fucking psychopath.
All through the Trump years, I was deeply concerned by almost everything that moron did, and the various ways he weakened this country and the rule of law. But I never once started saying things like, "Maybe we should consider killing Trump supporters, y'know, in our 'self defense,' hyuk-hyuk!" But we're not even a year into Biden's first term, and already psychopaths like yourself are talking about overthrowing the government.
And for what? Because Biden isn't stopping states and employers from imposing mask and vaccine mandates? Because he carried out a withdrawal from Afghanistan that Trump only wanted to do faster and more chaotically? Because he wants to implement a broadly popular domestic agenda before he loses a narrow political window to get it done? Like, what is your problem? I just watched a president and a party spend four years trying to kill the city and state where I lived. But all this did was inspire me to take greater political action and vote.
Have you ever seen what a civil war does to a country? It isn't like you'll be able to grab your gun, take out a few AOC fans, and then comfortably rewrite a Jesusland Constitution that entrenches white male supremacy, and then go back to being the largest economy in the world, everything humming along as before. Everything that you dislike about living under Biden would be exponentially worse during a civil war, it would not resolve quickly or cleanly, and the best-case scenario for you after the fact would be a fragmented and limping stub of a nation.
It's insane. It's just insane that anyone in this country is talking like you are. That is not what it means to be American, and the fact that you cannot view people you disagree with but through this paranoid lens should be a huge red flag to yourself. You need to come back from the brink.
Our country, not yours, Gandy. It belongs to all Americans.
Things will change. Killing people you disagree with won't prevent that.
"My liberal friends are talking about ways to force conservatives to wear masks and get vaccines that could help facilitate a return to normal in the face of a pandemic"
You realize that this makes no sense at all, right? You could return to normal in the face of the pandemic tomorrow, without masks, without forcing anybody to get vaccinated. Covid isn't Super Ebola or the Zombie apocalypse. It's not even the Spanish flu.
The problems we're facing right now are iatrogenic. They're not caused by the virus, but the response to it, a kind of regulatory cytokine storm. Governments around the world got caught up in a kind of moral panic, competing to see who could over-react more, and crashed the world economy. And now they can't back down and admit none of it was necessary, so they keep doubling down.
We could have literally ignored Covid, and while people would have died, not enough of them would have died to prevent "normal".
That's not to say we should have ignored Covid. I'm glad the FDA was told to back off for a while, and it's a crying shame they're back to being the brake on medical progress they've been for decades.
But a lot of what we've done, and are doing, is just medical theater, destructive medical theater, and "normal" was never threatened by the virus, just the response to it.
Well, Brett, you may recall (or you probably don't, but), way back when we were having the debates over shutdowns in Spring 2020, the whole Trump mentality was: just soldier through. Push for vaccines, vaccines will save us. In the meantime we've got to just live life, and not crater the economy.
Not that it's relevant to the point I was making, but I tend to agree that the "treatment" of the pandemic has been worse than the "disease." I am not quite as confident as you are that our medical system could have handled unrestrained waves of the pandemic, given the sorts of impacts we've still seen with mitigation efforts in place. But I will say, speaking for myself, that my family has been more deeply and profoundly impacted by the shutdowns than COVID itself. So I'm sympathetic to the point that the government shutdowns have been overbearing.
But that's not what I was talking about, above. I'm talking about trying to get people to get vaccinated, just like we all wanted to be back in March 2020 when that seemed like the way out. For some reason, Trumpers changed their mind about that.
Well, I have to say that in January I was planning on being vaccinated as soon as the vaccine became available locally for my cohort. But before that happened, I actually caught Covid. My doctor agreed with me that, after that, there wasn't really a great deal of urgency about the vaccine, and good reason to put it off some months.
Since then I've followed the research, and it continues to be the case that I have no great need to be vaccinated for a disease I've already had. Though if the FDA could be persuaded to shut off the 'impulse drive' and go back to warp speed, maybe they could cut loose a vaccine for the new variants, and THAT I'd certainly take.
The bottom line is that I think that, if you haven't had Covid yet, and you're past your 20's, you should probably get vaccinated. If you're in your 60's or older and haven't had Covid yet, you should certainly get vaccinated. The benefits for those who are younger or already immune are low enough that it's not urgent. If only the CDC could be so reasonable!
While Trump was in office, Democrats attacked the vaccine, and Republicans promoted it. Come January 20th, they swapped places. It's all pretty stupid, but let's not forget where the Democrats were prior to January, and pretend only Republicans are being stupid here.
Brett, your conclusions about the severity of the pandemic were conditioned—apparently without you noticing—by the success of the counter-measures you deplore. Try to remember, at the outset you had literally thousands of bodies in the streets of New York, albeit kept discreetly out of sight in refrigerated vans.
Absent counter-measures, that would have happened everywhere. The medical system nationwide would have been on the same battlefield triage basis that Alaska is suffering now. The Covid virus continues to prove what you should have recognized all along—that it is as implacable as a mathematical equation. There would have been literally millions of dead by now, with society and the economy in the kind of total collapse which history teaches us the worst pandemics inflict.
You do not seem to understand what it means to say it is okay if millions die, so long as the casualties are restricted to a smallish subset of the population. There is no, "return to normal," in that, not when people know in advance they are among the demographic marked for death.
The medical people in the Northeast who bore the brunt of treating the first wave of Covid included a great many who are much tougher than a typical right wing blowhard. They include doctors and nurses who have been active worldwide, flying to the scenes of the worst medical outbreaks. Even they were visibly shaken by the Covid pandemic which you blithely minimize, Brett. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Your ignorant imagination paints a very fearful picture, but it has zero basis in reality.
Cloth and paper masks did nothing to prevent transfer of COVID. The shutdowns as implemented did nothing to prevent the spread of the disease - even the "worst case" models by panic shops like the Imperial College said that doing what much of the US did would be counterproductive.
Study after study has upheld these conclusions, flying in the face of your panicked mind. The US was never in danger of "millions" dying from COVID, although the consequences of the poor policies implemented by state like New York and California have yet to be fully tallied, they may end up being worse than the disease.
As usual, when you give in to your fear of COVID, you abandon reason and demonstrate that you have no idea what you are talking about.
The solution, Jimmy the Dane, is that better Americans continue to shove progress down the throats of our vestigial clingers.
Your whimpering provides part of the soundtrack. Until you are replaced.
Wake up and smell the coffee. This man ^^^^ is your enemy. If we can defeat him w/o violence I'm all for it. I don't trust government or vigilantes to do a good job of sorting. But if things get existential its no argument for inaction that justice will be rough and innocents will be hurt. That's the way it is even in good wars.
There come a time for war, in self-defense, with guns, if necessary.
Open wide, clinger. It is going to get especially bad for gun nuts. We may outlaw hunting on private lands just to see whether wingnuts’ heads actually explode.
Your crystal ball is telling you all sorts of things about how you'll win.
Telling us what you see there is your favorite form of tediousness.
But the thing about the future is that it's hard to predict, especially if one is as out of touch with reality as you are.
There isn't really any point in engaging with your psychopathy, but have you considered that:
The American military is not likely to be on "your" side, in a war that "your" side kicks off?
That, of the global powers, almost no country will want to provide "your" side with economic or military support?
That the American economy is broadly based in places and areas that is opposed to "your" tyrannical ambitions?
The first Civil War failed for several reasons. Many of those reasons would still hold true now.
Once again the people contemplating political violence are coming from the right.
Funny, Brett doesn't seem to object. To focused on Antifa, I guess.
Cal Cetín, props for calling out your side's nutters.
I distinguish between contingently threatening violence in the future, and actually having committed violence in the past. The Antifa are already guilty, one doesn't have to speculate about whether they'll be violent in the future, or whether such violence would be justified, they already have blood on their hands.
You speculate your way into schemes and connections to Antifa with zero actual evidence other than your own appeal to incredulity.
But when confronted with actual malign and violent intent, you whistle on by.
Beating reporters who dare to film them? Attempting to set fire to occupied buildings? Even though it actually happened, it's just speculation.
Saying you'd respond to provocations, rather that supinely be enslaved? That's actual malign and violent intent.
The only reason I'm not accusing you of a double standard here, is that it would require you to have some kind of standard.
None of those are Antifa, or even clearly associated with the left.
OTOH here you have people into right-wing political violence. And you engage with them like they're serious people.
No one is going to be enslaved, don't be stupid. But plenty of people are explicitly talking about killing liberals in the name of avoiding it. What happens the next time they lose an election that's disputed?
My standards are fine in the real world, because factually not everything is Antifa.
If I saw people on here saying 'killing Nazi Trumpists is good, actually' I'd call them out. But all I see is a bunch of posters masturbating to the day they'll be able to shoot a lib. And you, not caring even as you yell about Antifa threatening the nation.
"100% Antifa all the way" says Michael Reinoehl.
"He's not really Antifa" says Sarcastro.
Stare Decisis means that the rule of a subsequent decision should not logically contradict the principle providing sufficient reason for an earlier order of the Court.
If I say that there is a constitutional right to cheeseburgers in advance of a Tuesday payment because of a penumbra emanating from the third, twelfth, and twenty-seventh Amendments and the novels of Henry James, a spirited court some years later might completely dispel my reliance on the twelfth amendment and Boston novels (or perhaps just substitute Santayana), so long as the stated rationale for the earlier decision is still sufficient to justify the earlier order. The later court might even hold that payment on a Monday was required, given evolving standards of fiscal decency. As a matter of fact, the court could even require payment up front for all cheeseburgers, upon affirming the shadowy right and simply weighing it against the facts as presently understood.
When courts identify their earlier decisions with the terms of their orders rather than the supporting structure of the artificial logic of the law, it's a sign that the courts might not be performing their traditional functions all that traditionally.
Mr. D.
Not following you. Apply that to Casey rather than cheeseburgers.
Seems pretty straightforward.
If you maintain the conclusion while changing the rationale for it, and fail to apply the stated rationale to other cases, it follows that you're not actually arriving at the conclusion due to the rationale, but only inventing the rationale to justify the conclusion.
And that's a fair description of legislative activity, not judicial.
“The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition.” - G.K. Chesterton
Chesterton might have been describing stare decísis. What was an indefensible abomination yesterday becomes “our sacred inheritance” today. It is a dismal, shallow “conservatism” which holds conserving as its paramount principle.
Well, rarely do we see such an admission to the purely utilitarian nature of situational ethics, the high valuation of philosophical principles when it supports one idea I like, and the low valuation of it when it interferes with a different idea I like.
Neurosis is the mental difficulty a mind has trying to hold two contradictory ideas as true simultaneously.
Top pols do not suffer this as they have no ethical problems lying for manipulation.
I have no problem deciding new unenumerated rights exist, but I am not the one running around screaming vox populi vox dei to justify every power grab some politician thought up rolling out of bed that morning (and how it might be useful to their core mission of mysteriously successful enrichment.)
So if democracy dies something radical I like, yay democracy. If it doesn't, boo democracy.
How about new unenumerated rights that transparently nobody in the past would have recognized are fine, but new unenumerated powers for the government are not?
Quit wasting breath on these personal rights distractions. The corruption classes rely on it to justify increasing government control of freedom and business sans amendment.
New unenumerated rights is in alignment with constitutional principles: rights reserved to the people. New powers, sans well-pondered amendment, to dictate to you are the exact opposite.
No, new unenumerated rights isn't in alignment with constitutional principles. Recognizing already existing rights that merely hadn't been enumerated is what the 9th amendment is about. It wasn't a blank check for the judiciary to invent NEW rights any time they felt like it.
For NEW rights you need democratic buy in.
The challenge is what do you do with Brown v. Board? If you rely on your notion of what was the anticipated application of the 14A at the time of adoption, certainly segregation is allowed. So, you must seek a generalized principle that goes above the prejudicial thinking of the framing era.
The same goes for Roe. The original application of the 14A would certainly have allowed vast abortion restrictions....but at that time how many rights did women actually have? It was still assumed that men could sufficiently represent women's issues at the ballot box....and in most cases, women were economically dependent on men. Giving birth was seen as a duty of women. So the question becomes does the Constittion freeze in stereotypes and prejudices or does it provide a corrective by appeal to the underlying principles.....here, of equal citizenship?
Does abortion restriction make women 2nd-class citizens...in terms of absorbing the consequences and costs of an unwanted pregnancy? It's not an unserious appeal. Brown only works if one concludes that separate is generally not equal. Roe recognizes competing interests (woman and fetus) and makrs viability as the line of compromise. It's not unreasonable.
I think what you do with Brown is simply say that, after close to a century in which separate was, objectively, never equal, the judiciary is no longer obligated to pretend that this time will be different. But instead may rationally reach the conclusion that separate is at least presumptively unequal.
So, yes, the 14th amendment would permit separate but equal. Unfortunately, as a historical matter, this has been proven to not be a real thing, because nobody who insisted on separate actually wanted equal.
"Does abortion restriction make women 2nd-class citizens…in terms of absorbing the consequences and costs of an unwanted pregnancy?"
Do paternity laws make men 2nd class citizens, then? Historically they haven't just subjected men to the consequences and costs of pregnancies they didn't want, but often pregnancies they affirmatively acted to prevent, (Spermjacking) or had no part in the causation of. (Infidelity)
Indeed, look at the legal reasoning in spermjacking cases. "the child is an innocent party... any wrongful conduct on the part of the mother should not alter the father's duty to provide support for the child." How does this reasoning not apply to women, as well?
The issue here is that there's another person's rights involved.
Be careful with "person" because that is the crux of the matter; ie, how do you define a "person". One can also claim "potential person" if there is no practical way for the fetus to survive outside of the woman even with all of the willing caregivers and technology available to the task. I understand that reasoning is not compelling for some, but it's pragmatic and provides some limit to government sticking its nose into private decisions.
If a fetis IS a person, then there is no logic that does not charge the aborting women with at minimum manslaughter....yet here, we have to presume that only the abortionist has committed crime. Further, every miscarriage suddenly becomes a crime scene to investigate if the woman has done anything to go against the rights of that fetal person. We kind of recoil from that proposition because at heart we can't believe it's any of our business.
Not withstanding paternity and child support....most costs of unwanted pregnancies fall on women...with single women being a large percentage of the poor. If government truly cares about the fetus, it has a strange sense of responsibility for what follows after birth. There is a moral meanness here that again seems rooted at treating women as human hatchuaries....ie, that will show them. Compelling someone to give birth is also materially different than compelling a monthly check....just think for a second about an episiotomy.....what man here would volunteer solidarity to do something comparable?
The logic for not charging the woman with homicide is fairly clear: Our goal here is to save lives, not punish iniquity, and if threatening the woman with punishment makes saving the lives politically impossible, then perforce the woman must go unpunished. Sucks, but keep the goal in mind.
Will that be legislated and guaranteed or should we just trust you? Will there be tiers of "people" so that women know they can get an abortion and never be charged with a crime against a fetus that would result in a charge if they did the same thing to a real person?
You think it's good to fail to enforce the law because it would make banning abortion harder? So we should sacrifice the rule of law to the beliefs of a tiny fraction of Americans?
How many other foundational American principles should be sacrificed in order to ban abortion?