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The Incomprehensibility of Mahanoy Area School District v. B.L.
Why would Chief Justice Roberts let Justice Breyer write such an incoherent opinion?
I had high hopes for Mahanoy Area School District v. B.L. This case could have brought some clarity to an important issue: what are the free speech rights of students who are off campus. Alas, we did not get clarity. Justice Breyer's opinion is almost incomprehensible. It lists countless factors and considerations, none of which are dispositive, but any of which can be relevant. Here is the closest we get to a summary:
Given the many different kinds of off-campus speech, the different potential school-related and circumstance-specific justifications, and the differing extent to which those justifications may call for First Amendment leeway, we can, as a general matter, say little more than this: Taken together, these three features of much off-campus speech mean that the leeway the First Amendment grants to schools in light of their special characteristics is diminished. We leave for future cases to decide where, when, and how these features mean the speaker's off-campus location will make the critical difference. This case can, however, provide one example.
Principals and teachers will struggle to glean any clear guidance from this case. Lower courts can reach just about any ruling, and claim fidelity to Justice Breyer's decision. I agree with Justice Thomas's summary: "the majority simply posits three vague considerations and reaches an outcome." He added: "the Court's foundation is untethered from anything stable, and courts (and schools) will almost certainly be at a loss as to what exactly the Court's opinion today means."
Why would Chief Justice Roberts let Justice Breyer write such an incoherent opinion? Perhaps the answer is that there was no unanimity. Though eight Justices agreed with the student, they did not agree on much more. Perhaps, the Justices could not muster a majority on any bright line rule. In response, the Chief gave Justice Breyer the green light to do what he does: ask questions that cannot be answered.
I had hoped that the Chief would let Justice Kagan write the majority opinion. At least that decision would be an enjoyable read. Alas, we are stuck with twenty-pages of queries. To paraphrase young Brandi Levin, "Fuck balancing tests."
One final note. I think Justice Thomas cast doubt on West Virginia v. Barnette.
The cases on which Tinker chiefly relied concerned the rights of parents and private schools, not students. 551 U. S., at 420, n. 8. Of the 11 cases the Court cited, only one—West Virginia Bd. of Ed. v. Barnette, 319 U. S. 624 (1943)—was on point. But, like Tinker, Barnette failed to mention the historical doctrine undergirding school authority. Not until decades later did the Court even hint at this doctrine, and, then, only as an aside.
Under Justice Thomas's theory, would students have Free Speech or Free Exercise rights to object to saluting the flag? This aside was not on my SCOTUS bingo card.
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Why would Professor Josh Blackman let himself such an incoherent opinion?
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Why would Professor Josh Blackman let himself such an incoherent sub-title?
FTFY
Maybe some schools will decide to mind their own business instead of using yet another excuse for opportunistic punishment of the kids they’re supposed to be serving.
That was my hope
Wow.
I'm agreeing with Ben_ and Greg J.
Where did the sun rise this morning?
Many schools will and do. Lawsuits like this are the inevitable result of a few busybodies who overstep their authority.
Again, lawyer stupidity. It is not hard. Was any harm caused by her off campus potty mouth? For example, did she plan to burn down the school? Did her remark cause many cheerleaders to quit? Did she cause a riot on school grounds? In the absence of factual physical harm to the school, the school should mind its own business.
I hate crochet. I find it annoying, offensive, and irritating. In the absence of any harm to me from a crochet project, I should mind my own business, and not expel people who crochet from a school.
Under Justice Thomas's theory, would students have Free Speech or Free Exercise rights to object to saluting the flag?
In principle, I'd conclude that no, the students don't. The school is acting with the (delegated) authority of the parent over the child, not the government over a free citizen.
However, the parent has a clear Free Exercise right to instruct his child not to salute the flag, as part of the right to raise children in the parent's religion. The prohibition on establishment of religion would then require a public school to accept the parent's granting of an exemption to the child rather than make saluting a condition of attendance.
Yes, I always that those cases were as much about the parents' rights as the childrens.
Interesting idea about the parents rights. Could then Brandi's parents have the right to allow her to say Fuck Cheer on the internet while at the Cocoa Hut without school consequences?
Again. Standing should require factualphysical. Emotional offense is the thought police. Judges who act as the thoight police are a physical threat to the existence of the country and should removed from the bench. If the scumbag lawyer profession fails to police itself, men driving 1986 Camaros should visit the little tyrants. To deter.
The school is acting with the (delegated) authority of the parent over the child, not the government over a free citizen.
Partly. If this was a private school, the school would be acting with the delegated authority of the parent, but the school would also be acting for itself by way of a contract with the parent for the education of the child. In such a case the school would be entitled to have all sorts of rules, in its own interest, which would form part of the contract with the parent. Including -
- your child will be taught Spanish not German
- your child will be expelled if she carves on the desk
- your child will be expelled if she uses cuss words on chat-media
Since this is a government school, what difference does it make ?
if the school asserts that a rule is made with the delegated authority of the parent, then if the parent doesn't approve of the rule as applied to the child, then the school's case would seem to fold
But if the school asserts that the rule is its own rule, in its own interests, and not dependent on delegated authority, then the question is whether any of the rules are prohibited by law (including the Constitution)
In this case the lack of choice of foreign language and the carving on the desk rule would seem to survive, but the cuss-chat rule would seem to be in some difficulty.
If the private were a boarding school then it seems to me the school has greater latitude since the parent is not available however in the case of a day school the school would seem to have to take the parents wishes into account to some extent.
Then we come to the case of a government funded charter school (or magnet school) with selective admissions policies. What are their obligations?
Finally I think this opinion is a "shot across the bow" to those overzealous "educators" intent on controlling their charges every thought. Maybe they will "trim their sails" rather than be sued.
I wonder if "educators" get "qualified immunity"? Would every possible fact scenario need to be adjudicated before a student could prevail?
It seems unlikely that every questionable decision to punish a student for off campus conduct would result in legal action but perhaps the specter of a potential legal action could forestall incipient stupidity.
I think Thomas' theory is much simpler- the school always wins.
It seems unlikely that every questionable decision to punish a student for off campus conduct would result in legal action
I agree, but there's no constitutional bar on regulating off campus conduct that isn't speech (or religious exercise, or arms bearing, or - we are advised - abortion.)
They do (or they're entitled to it, anyway). Defenders of QI will always invoke the alleged split second decisions that cops have to make (which is rarely true and doesn't conceptually make sense anyway), but QI applies to all government employees and all decisions regardless of how considered they were.
Correct, and that's a super-important point. Imagine, e.g., the disability benefits bureaucrat making a "split second, my life is in danger" decision to deny an applicant an adequate hearing. 🙂
Heck, it's even an important point with cops. E.g., a decision to leave a guy handcuffed for 4 hours isn't a split second, life or death decision, but it's covered by QI too.
No, it doesn't fold. In case of a dispute without an explicit contract, it becomes a question of the implied-in-fact contract involved in sending a child to the school, whether or not the school is government.
Implied contracts are harder to adjudicate than express ones, but at that point precedents like the Vermont case on off-campus speech cited by Thomas in his dissent become relevant.
I agree that implicit contractual terms are complicated, but I don't think that is quite the point.
A school (government or private) can only base its control of a child either (a) on its delegated authority from the parent or (b) on a contract between the parent and the school*.
If the parent is not in agreement with the school, then only the contract is left. In the case of a private school there's no difficulty in the school imposing a contractual term that restricts the child's speech.
But for a government school - can it, consistently with the 1st Amendment, contractually impose a restriction on the child's speech, whether implicitly or explicitly ? It's not a question of teasing out the intricacies of an implied contract term, it's a question of whether a government school is restricted by the 1st Amendment from requiring such a term. express or implied.
* a third source of the school's authority over the child might be statute law, but that would run into the 1st Amendment even more obviously.
I don't understand where you're going here. There is no contractual relationship between a student or parent and a government school.
A private school's got a contract. If a government school doesn't have a contract then it must be statute (or rules pursuant to by-laws pursuant to statute) that says "if you dump your child in our school, here are the rules it will be required to obey."
And then we are into my asterisk.
There’s a balancing test because the concept of off campus student speech that has the potential to be severely detrimental to the school environment doesn’t lend itself to bright line rules. Bright line rules are great. But they’re not always appropriate for every situation. Thomas has a bright line rule, but it’s so ridiculous it’s not worth serious consideration.
Once the root cause of the issue is government schools.
Abolish them.
Anti-social, disaffected, obsolete, hopeless, education-disdaining right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.
Does getting stomped by better people in the culture war ever get tiresome for clingers?
Justice Thomas didn’t “cast doubt” on one of the greatest opinions the Court has ever issued. He gave an extremely idiosyncratic criticism that no one on this Court will take seriously. He “cast doubt” on Barnette in the same way I “cast doubt” on the things he writes. They have the same effect.
It's fair to say that the decision didn't offer up a tidy doctrinal solution to the limits of school authority over off-campus speech. That's because it's hard. And I'm not sure it's practically necessary. A good example is better than a bad theory. I'm sure that judges will, mainly, get to correct results on an "I know it when I see it" basis. And to the extent that schools and school boards listen to their lawyers -- often questionable -- the lawyers will keep them from doing anything obviously stupid by pointing out the very lack of theoretical clarity that JB bemoans.
Exactly right. Blackman's whining here completely misses the point about the difficulty of drawing bright-line rules in such cases. Not only did Breyer's opinion reflect the right result in this particular case, it laid out a reasonable set of criteria for the courts to consider in future cases.
Will there be cases where the courts do a bad job of assessing and weighing these criteria? Sure. Will there be cases where it will be very difficult to balance the free speech rights of the student/s with the need for the school to maintain a safe and productive environment for learning? Absolutely.
Balancing tests can be messy and unsatisfying at times, but they're surely better than a simplistic set of checkboxes or whatever other two-dimensional solution Blackman would prefer in such cases.
This is how you develop the common law. The Supreme Court legislates from the bench far too much already.
Judicially crafted "bright line rules" sometimes just turns into sloppy statute drafting that doesn't really clear things up for anyone or just works unjust results in too many cases. Here, I think its enough to say: the school can't suspend you for saying "fuck cheer" on your social media. That's probably enough guidance for school lawyers to advise administrators and avoid some injustices in analogous cases in the future. Sometimes that's the best you can do.
Principals and teachers will struggle to glean any clear guidance from this case.
How quaint. You actually think that principals and teachers (a) would actually read any opinion written; (b) would comprehend the meaning of it all; or (c) would adjust their actions accordingly.
We've seen for years that school administrators are prone to make irrational, snap decisions that have no problem trampling on the rights of students. Not sure why you think a clearer opinion would have changed that dynamic.
Barnette has been the rule for close to 80 years. It's a pretty bright-line rule too: you can't force kids to stand or recite the pledge.
Teachers, administrators, and state legislators and attorneys general still don't get it.
Sometimes the most you an get is vindication in a particular case, and at least some guidance to school lawyers. They'll at least be able to tell administrators, you can't suspend someone for saying "fuck school" on their social media accounts.
This case was really just a free speech case and the school was wrong.
As noted in the decision, if the speech threatened violence towards the school (teachers, admins, other students, etc.), or in some way threatened to disrupt school activities (e.g. stand on chairs, shout during class, etc.), then that would actionable.
Her Fuck Cheerleading comment threatened neither violence or normal activities.
Of course, if she was promoting fuckcheerleading.xxx then I suppose that might be something to, um, review.
This is the first time I have seen it mentioned that Mahanoy is, well, a bit on the nutty side. My first read was not followed by an eagerness to take a second look.
My sense is that the Court wants little to nothing to do with speech or religion cases notwithstanding that they grant cert in such matters. Fulton was feeble and Mahanoy is not much better.
The upside: lots of room for intriguing dissents and dissenting concurrences. Enjoyable if you have a penchant for what might have been, or what might be, should enough impetus be gathered.