A TikTok Ban Would Set a Dangerous Precedent. Live With Taylor Lorenz and Peter Van Valkenburgh
Join Reason on YouTube and Facebook Thursday at 1 p.m. Eastern for a discussion about Congress' attempt to ban TikTok with the RESTRICT Act.
"Your platform should be banned," Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R–Wash.) said to TikTok CEO Shou Zi Chew during her opening statement at a March 23 congressional hearing.
The attacks on TikTok were wide-ranging and bipartisan, with Rep. John Sarbanes (D–Md.) describing American children as "drowning" in TikTok's powerful algorithm, Rep. Buddy Carter (R–Ga.) accusing TikTok of engaging in "psychological warfare" on behalf of the Chinese Communist Party, and Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R–Texas) characterizing the platform as a weapon capable of "destroying our society from within."
In the Senate, Josh Hawley (R–Mo.) sought unanimous consent to pass a bill banning TikTok in America, an effort blocked by Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), who warned Americans "to beware of those who use fear to coax Americans to relinquish our liberties, to regulate and limit our First Amendment rights" and said that Hawley's bill would "emulate Chinese speech bans."
Join Reason's Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller this Thursday at 1 p.m. Eastern for a discussion of the looming TikTok ban with Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz, who's spent much of her career covering the effects and cultural impact of social media apps like TikTok. Lorenz wrote in a recent column that lawmakers made a number of "claims that were inaccurate or at least debatable" during the TikTok hearing. For the second half of the conversation, Coin Center research director Peter Van Valkenburgh will join the stream to help analyze the details of the RESTRICT Act, a far-reaching Senate bill that aims to shut down TikTok in America but which a recent Coin Center report describes as creating "blanket authority, with few checks, to ban just about anything linked to a 'foreign adversary.'"
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It would be bad enough if that's all the RESTRICT does. But it seems to not just ban TikTok, but give wide-ranging expanded powers to the Executive to ban almost anything it deems to be a security threat. Constitutional Republic? Hardly.
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Live with TayTay? Yuck! Calling her a "journalist" is an insult to journalists everywhere, even shitty ones, and that's saying something. Here's more about TayTay:
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/10/05/tweeter-risks-wrath-of-some-of-americas-most-privileged-lib-journos-in-order-to-expose-their-efforts-to-hide-their-backgrounds-from-the-public/
Taylor Lorenz might actually be an even worse offender of this hypocrisy. While also born to fabulous wealth & privilege she has the family power to keep her past off the internet even after it became known.
She can actually get it removed forever from the internet. pic.twitter.com/olcc1lkBzh
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
What’s amazing about Taylor Lorenz is we know she was born in NYC, raised in the richest zip code of Connecticut. We know she attended a Swiss private boarding school & graduated from Hobart and William Smith College.
But that’s about it. pic.twitter.com/IcVodofvoL
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
While this woman of wealth & privilege can doxx even the poorest, weakest, least powerful people in the internet, publishing all their private information, address, work places and phone numbers.
She can apparently get anything about herself wiped from the internet forever… pic.twitter.com/GWXfqnZKfp
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
How would a TicTok journalist be able to get her history wiped off the internet forever?
Well hold onto your butts while we go balls deep into the family of Ms. Lorenz you can’t find on the internet without much much effort. pic.twitter.com/vhJOfvJGJG
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
For the record this all publicly available information, it’s just hard to find without looking.
Taylor Lorenz was born to mega rich developer Walter R. Lorenz (65) and Anne Lorenz (67) & raised in a $5.7 million dollar mansion. Her sister is Brook Lorenz of CNN. pic.twitter.com/GfdC4Fjndn
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
But it’s her uncle that’s the big story here. You see Taylor Lorenz’s mom and uncle were mega rich children of a very powerful politician… and R. McDonald (her uncle) is the owner / founder of the WayBackMachine internet archive. pic.twitter.com/7tSQkSikeH
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
Trying to find info about any of these people on the internet in nearly impossible. Taylor Lorenz even had her uncle exempt her twitter account from the WayBackMachine. Once she deletes her tweets they are literally wiped from the internet forever.
Now that’s power you can’t buy pic.twitter.com/xsNHcr98YE
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
Go ahead… Google her. Go to her wiki page. You see anything there like you do with literally any other public figures? NOPE!
Nothing.
She’s even managed to have any public record of her date of birth wiped. Pics of her from high school or collage that could age her?
Gone. pic.twitter.com/SJwfkfrxK9
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
For the record Taylor Lorenz was born October 21st 1984 in New York, NY… making her 37 years old.
She will be 38 in 16 days.
Wish her a happy birthday. pic.twitter.com/a0CAtRMPfn
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
Taylor Lorenz, a mega rich child of wealth and privilege from a powerful political family who’s uncle can wipe any of her history off the internet forever has been given massive platforms with the NYTs and WaPo to attack, smear, doxx, harass & terrorize anyone she wants.
— NevilleTheCat (@FearTheFloof) October 5, 2022
her covid takes should have won her a pulitzer
If not that then her doxing LibsofTicTok and attempts to cancel anyone who crosses the marxist leftist orthodoxy.
This right here. If your a libritarian and start an interview with "live with Taylor Lorenz", it should be ended with "was alive Taylor Lorenz"
I'm still in disbelief that Reason would have her in any discussion. She epitomizes dumpster fire that is modern journalism.
I rarely ever critique Reason like is so comment for commenters to do, but this is just over-the-top bizarre. Lorenz has absolutely no "expertise" worthy to be included in something like this. Just embarrassing.
Taylor Lorenz? The hypocrite who doxxed Libs of TikTok and then cried about being harrassed in a similar way?
The one whose uncle runs the wayback machine, so she can (and has!) disappear items from the searchable internet history that she finds unfavorable or inconvenient?
I'm supposed to take freedom of expression advice from this woman?
In Reason’s eyes, she a libertarian. Not even a joke.
On Apr. 1, the joke makes sense, but it's the 5th.
Really? Where does it say above that they think she is a libertarian?
Why would Reason invite Taylor Lorenz on something that isn’t a debate video?
They only took Taylor Lorenz because they couldn't get Dylan Mulvaney and can't afford any of the Kardashians.
What would be wrong with the Kardashians? Taylor Lorenz is a lying pro-censorship hack. Frankly, I'm stunned they're using her as a guiding light for anything.
Every time I think I might be overly harsh on Reason, they ask me to hold their beer.
Frankly, I’m stunned they’re using her as a guiding light for anything.
Used only as a guiding light to avoid slamming your boat against rocky shores on foggy nights and killing everyone aboard.
Yes, that bitch. And before anyone complains, she's gotten the term from me the hard way - she earned it.
That’s pretty offensive. I learned from the ap that the word “the” can cause ofence. Better off to refer to her as retarded bitch cunt, to avoid using the offensive word “the”
Dang it you said that and not the!
Also the one who whined about being immuno compromised and bitches when people in public are not masked...then goes to parties unmasked herself.
Without Tik Tok, how would I know when my public school was transitioning my kid for me?
Why else do you think the Democrats want it banned?
Taylor Lorenz, who's spent much of her career covering the effects and cultural impact of social media apps like TikTok. Lorenz wrote in a recent column that lawmakers made a number of "claims that were inaccurate or at least debatable"
Wait, from Taylor fucking Lorenz? That's fucking rich. The above is the "ironic journalism take of the year".
This is the same bitch who claims she's "immuno-compromised" and continues to lament that we're not on complete lockdown. Asking her for takes on social media and censorship is like asking Hannibal Lecter about cooking recipes.
I guess Lorenz is against a Tik Tok ban, because you can't censor that which is banned.
"Tips on girl/womanhood: featuring special guests Dylan Mulvaney and Rachel Levine"
...even as im typing this I can feel the Poe's law willing this into existence in our near future
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Here's how you deal with a Taylor Lorenz problem.
TayTay also blocks anyone but those she knows from commenting on her Twitter threads. She can't handle any truth or facts that might run counter to her ideology in a progressive bubble.
Greenwald and Taibbi are about the only true journalists left.
Then there's Juliuan Assange, being held and tortured to death by the deep state.
Freedom for Assange!
There is no such thing as “a foreign adversary!” Unless Congress has declared war, all such claims are vaguely worded and suspicious on their face. When politicians cannot explain their purposes in clear language with convincing evidence of the threats and the likelihood that the response will alleviate the situation, it means they do not have any such evidence. Also there is no such thing as “vital national interests” for the same reason! The only thing government should be allowed by the people to do is get out of the way of private enterprise seeking to trade profitably internationally.
Taylor Lorenz should be brought up for only a couple good reasons. Namely, mockery and an example of the furthest example from a person with principles, honor, or dignity.
She is a 'journalist' who cries about how threatened journalists are, then uses her power to dox people she disagrees with politically.
She is in the climate cult yet brags how she purposefully heats her appt to 90 degrees in the winter because it feels nice.
She constantly screams about things that hurt minorities and unironically pushed lockdowns and school closures which hurt people of lower socioeconomic status the worst.
She begged to be locked down harder, and for everyone else to be locked down harder to make her feel safer. She is the worst type of power hungry, cry bullying, hall monitor. She wants nothing more than to be the person in charge of making sure wrong-thinkers are appropriately marched to the gulag, while scraping up whatever crumbs of power her benevolent overlords let her have. She is human scum.
So she fits right in with the Reason crew and their beliefs, hence their spotlighting her as something worth listening to.
I don't follow the pop culture beat too closely, but this one came across my radar:
Barely 1/3rd of viewers completed Rings of Power series in industry "shocker".
Then the show creator said the quiet part out loud:
So the problem, according to Graham is the audiences are bigots.
I watched every episode of (Jack) Reacher on Prime Video but have zero interest in Rings of Power or A League of Their Own.
I apologize for upholding WHITE SUPREMACIST PATRIARCHY with my streaming habits. 🙁
#AlanRitchsonIsAFootTallerThanTomCruise
So the problem, according to Graham is the audiences are bigots.
"They" (Amazon, Disney, Warner Bros, Netflix and literally every other TV/ movie studio/ streaming service operator) have been calling their audiences bigots for years. Ever since Star Wars fans dared to criticize The Last Jedi and audiences rejected the all female Ghostbusters remake that's been their go-to move.
These companies have fully embraced negative marketing because they aren't making entertainment for a mass audience anymore, they're making it for a direct audience--themselves, and their political allies. Meanwhile, franchises that managed for decades to convey a political message without slagging the people who might not agree with that message, are now completely hollowed out and have become targets in the culture war. They can't figure out why their appeals to common values aren't resonating anymore, and it's because the people they flipped off finally figured out they're full of shit.
they aren’t making entertainment for a mass audience anymore, they’re making it for a direct audience–themselves, and their political allies
AKA "The Modern Audience."
I actually blame Tolkein’s grandkids for selling their grandfather’s legacy for 30 pieces of silver. If Christopher saw what Amazon did to these characters, it would kill him. Again.
He always intended galadriel to be the bestest best strongest strong woman warrior better than every other man, elf, Númenórean, or anyone else that picked up a sword, ever. But also she is the smartest, with the most powerful magic ever. So the best sorceress, and the best warrior, all at the same time.
Sure her single handedly, with little effort, taking out a troll power levels her far above the entire fellowship of the ring in terms of physical combat prowess, and makes them look like foot soldiers in comparison, just as Tolkein would have wanted.
Modern writers can only write Mary Sues right now. No surprise she is the most powerful (like Rey, and like Cpt Marvel), and no surprise everyone absolutely hated all those flawless, boring, unlikable characters.
Oh also like everyone is black now, just like Tolkein imagined the 'fair skinned' elves, and rulers based on a much older Europe. Also black women are in charge
Why didn't you ask Chaya Raichik if she wanted to ban TIK TOK instead of this purported journ-o-lister who wanted to ban Libs of Tik Tok.
I’m not joking about my comment above. She doesn’t want the social media sites banned, she wants them active, but with a controlled narrative via the Censorship Industrial Complex, that she fully supports and cheers on. It’s not that we don’t want anyone speaking, we just want THEM not speaking.
Taylor Lorenz? Are you f**king kidding me? What's Reason's take going to be? That banning TikTok would be totally uncool. But, since the RESTRICT Act only targets Americans, it's great? Seriously, if you guys were trying to figure out how you'd get conservatives, libertarians and dissident liberals on board with a TikTok ban, I could think of few better techniques than to bring on Taylor Lorenz as a voice against it. As others have pointed out, Lorenz is pretty much one of the worst pro-establishment censorship people out there. It's like having frigging John Bolton on to talk about excessive interventionism. Are you planning to have on Nina Jankowicz as a special guest?
Seriously, if you guys were trying to figure out how you’d get conservatives, libertarians and dissident liberals on board with a TikTok ban, I could think of few better techniques than to bring on Taylor Lorenz as a voice against it.
It’s true. I was against the Tik Tok ban until this post showed up. Now I’m thinking it might not be such a bad idea.
Are you planning to have on Nina Jankowicz as a special guest?
Boom.
Bill dropping bombs like his name was Saddam!
Does anybody take Lorenz seriously? I put her in the same batch as Whoopie Goldberg, Joy Behar, Cher, and Joy Reid.
Let's be real. The only reason she has a job with the WaPo is because of her family name and background. I wouldn't hire her as a checkout at a dollar store.
Jesus Fucking Christ it's like a fucking Simpsons episode in here:
Josh Hawley plays the part of Homer Simpson calling for more safety at the Springfield Nuclear Plant.
Nick Gillespie plays the part of Mr. Burns, concerned by Hawley's political prowess and social clout, ask Mr. Smithers if they could dig up Joseph Goebbels to make the case for libertarianism.
Zach Weismueller playing the part of Mr. Smithers, politely reminds Mr. Burns of what happened the last time they tried to dig up Goebbels and recommends Taylor Lorenz instead.
Taylor Lorenz? Really?
The RESTRICT Act isn't about Tiktok, and Reason keeps running cover for it by pretending it is
That's 94 year old Taylor Lorenz.
Taylor Lorenz is so old, she doxxed Jesus.
Taylor Lorenz? Did you scrape your fingers on the bottom of the barrel?
Coming soon - Taylor Lorenz is an editor at Reason.
Which is hilarious considering half the reason staff would rather work at WaPo.
LOL @ Taylor Lorenz saying “So far, so good!” as she rushes by outside the window as ENB, Emma, and Fiona trudge up the stairs at Reason.
Might as well be
Was this Taylor Lorenz's prize for winning the "Hack Madness" tourney?
I'm just wondering how much she cried and played the victim.
Koch must own piece of tik tok. How else to explain the daily outrage from reason? It's a worthlessness and dangerous brain dead phone application.
first Cathy Young and now Tay Tay...can the Reason Foundation fire all the editors and managing staff at Reason asap?
“Washington Post journalist Taylor Lorenz”
She’s not a journalist. Or a decent human.
I guess Reason couldn't find a dead opossum, so they got the next best thing,
As a journalist, she is a total fraud. A vacuous, little brat that has brought down the level of journalism, that is, if it can be brought down any more, to the state it now occupies.
To cut back Chicom brainwashing the obvious ban target would be CNN.
Taylor Lorenz!?!? Are you fucking kidding me? She's one of the most partisan and dishonest journalists, not just now, but in the last 70 years. She's a rabid promoter and demander of censorship, and of extreme state power in general. How could you possibly lend her what little credibility you have?
was her dad Sea Biscuit?
Where are the arepas?
I'm all for allowing Lorenz to continue spewing her mindless drivel on Tic Toc as long as it doesn't spill over the rest of the internet.
One thing has become obvious in that colleges and universities are bestowing degrees on even the most empty headed and vacuous individuals while proclaiming their own superiority.
Taylor Lorenz is the perfect example.
So keep on what you're doing Taylor, thereby allowing the rest of the world to acknowledge what an absolute moron you are.
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