A Tavern Keeper's Last Stand at the Alamo
Vince Cantu says the eminent domain threats to seize his property are "stupidly ironic" and "completely un-Texan."
HD Download"I'm right in the battlefield of why Texas is Texas," says Vince Cantu, who runs Moses Rose's Hideout, a San Antonio, Texas, bar that's on the site of the Alamo and the famous 1836 battle that was memorialized on the big screen by the likes of John Wayne and Billy Bob Thornton.
Cantu opened Moses Rose's—named ironically after the Texas legend who fled the Alamo instead of standing his ground and fighting—in 2010 after it had sat vacant for many years. He comes from four generations of San Antonio tavern owners.
"I feel like I am on the shoulders of giants," says Cantu. "I like what I do, and I like where I do it. "
The Alamo Trust, a nonprofit that manages the site, wants to expand the Alamo museum, which would include building a theater and civil rights exhibit where Moses Rose's Hideout currently stands. Cantu says that in 2016, the group made its first offer of a million dollars, signed by then-Land Commissioner George P. Bush, which would've barely covered his outstanding loans. Four years later, they upped it to $2 million.
At the outset, the $400 million museum expansion project was supposed to be paid for by private donors. When funding fell through, the state of Texas stepped in to cover the cost. The Alamo project leads made two more offers, which Cantu rejected. He said he'd sell for $15 million. So state officials, who declined to participate in this story, countered by threatening to take his property using eminent domain. Cantu would receive a so-called "fair market price" based on an independent appraiser's estimate of the property's current value.
The appraiser valued it at $2.1 million today and at an estimated $2.8 million in 10 years. In December, the Alamo Trust offered $3.5 million, which Cantu quickly declined.
"They've wanted to negotiate with me over my property, but they wanted a loaded gun to do it," says Cantu, who says the offer is a lowball when he's seen his property values increase by about 18 percent year-over-year and only expects the business to become more valuable as downtown San Antonio grows. "They've wanted the threat of eminent domain hanging over my head [to force] me to take their number."
A pissed-off Cantu started tacking on an extra million-dollar fee to his offer each year that the government threatened him with eminent domain.
Then, earlier this year, George P. Bush (the son of Jeb and the nephew of George W.) called Cantu's refusal to sell at the state's price "dishonorable."
"I told my wife that if I saw [Bush], I would challenge him to a duel in front of the Alamo," says Cantu, laughing. "We'd use squirt guns, not real guns…just to avenge my honor."
Bush didn't respond to Reason's request for comment.
Cantu says he's willing to sell but that he just wants a good enough offer to justify walking away from a successful business that he struggled to build in what he says was once a dilapidated part of town.
"It was a bunch of homeless people [in this neighborhood]," says Cantu, who says the early days of live music at Moses Rose's Hideout consisted mostly of "homeless guys with guitars." As downtown developed over the following decade, Cantu's attracted wealthier clientele, including tourists visiting the Alamo. "It just kind of started clicking downtown, started opening up a little bit."
The San Antonio City Council voted in late January to authorize the use of eminent domain, which would allow the city to condemn and acquire the property to hand to the Alamo Trust—if Cantu doesn't take their state-backed offer.
After his interview with Reason, Cantu met with the Alamo Trust's attorneys. He says they offered him $2.4 million, more than a million dollars less than what they had offered him before the city authorized the eminent domain process.
"It was just a bad faith bullshit negotiation that they had to have before they could start [the] eminent domain [process]," says Cantu.
But he has vowed to keep fighting.
"A Texan is [for] small government and fiercely independent," says Cantu. "It's totally un-Texan. It's stupidly ironic."
Produced by Liz Wolfe and Zach Weissmueller; edited by Danielle Thompson; camera by Andrew Miller.
Photos: Bob Daemmrich/ZUMAPRESS/Newscom; JAMES GREGG/TNS/Newscom
Music: "Do It Again" by Jay Putty via Artlist; "Restless" by Sunriver via Artlist; "For the City" by Sean Magwire via Artlist; "Restless Rebels" by Evert Z via Artlist; "Outlaws of the Old West" by Evert Z via Artlist
Update: The Alamo Trust emailed after publication to say that following the failed mediation session, it upped its offer to $4 million plus relocation expenses. Cantu has rejected that latest offer.
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Un-Texan? Does he mean the Blue Texas that want to micro-manage society for equity and social justice? Or the Red Texas that uses government for the finest crony capitalism that money can buy? Is there another Texas?
Well, to be fair, he's not in Austin, and didn't move there from Brooklyn, so possibly the latter.
Wasn’t there a previous article on this? Or is Reason just late to the game? The only new news I see here is the final pro forma negotiation offer.
ETA: https://reason.com/2023/01/25/the-alamo-is-trying-to-eminent-domain-this-mans-bar-to-make-way-for-museum-honoring-alamo-defenders/
A pissed-off Cantu started tacking on an extra million-dollar fee to his offer each year that the government threatened him with eminent domain.
Ok, I really like this guy. Does he have a gofundme?
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To what purpose? He doesn't need money. He needs to not have his property stolen.
"It was a bunch of homeless people [in this neighborhood]," says Cantu, who says the early days of live music at Moses Rose's Hideout consisted mostly of "homeless guys with guitars." As downtown developed over the following decade, Cantu's attracted wealthier clientele, including tourists visiting the Alamo. "It just kind of started clicking downtown, started opening up a little bit."
Now I really, really like this guy. He used capitalism to kick out the homeless bums. Win-win... win-win-win-win... win.
More like "he used capitalism to give jobs to (some) homeless bums".
I live in a town where homeless bums are both figuratively and literally coming through your windows at night... vanishingly few are looking for solid, stable employment.
It's one thing to value the land, it's another to value the business that's dependent upon that location.
These are two separate things they are trying to condemn. But they've only offered to compensate him for one of them.
The real problem is that it's likely worth more in its current state than it is as part of the larger development.
Normally that would command quite a premium if the development depended on that piece. Which of course is the whole point of eminent domain...
Speaking of eminent domain, THIS one should be fun. At least it's squarely in what I think is the universally accepted realm.
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>>theater and civil rights exhibit
cannot fully experience the Alamo without a film and non-germane exhibit
Will they talk about Anglo-Texans' civil rights under Mexican rule?
Seems to me that eminent domain, if it must exist, should be reserved for things that really can't be done practically without it. Roads, pipelines and other major infrastructure, things like that. The Alamo museum can work around him and still be a fine museum. Or just pay what he's asking, which really isn't so unreasonable.
idk if it still is but the Alamo Project began as a Bush thing ... profit > Alamo
The Alamo Trust, a nonprofit that manages the site, wants to expand the Alamo museum, which would include building a theater and civil rights exhibit
Because the first thing I associate the Alamo with is civil rights. And rental cars.
He's an idiot and that's being kind. Say good bye to 3.4 million - only idiots 'speculate' about what the future will bring and demand to be paid for their predictions. Reminds me of the woman who refused Guccione and then Trump's mind boggling offers to buy her house so they could put a parking lot behind his Casino. She turned down over a million dollars plus a condo in Florida - she ended up in Court for years, and ended up with around $250,000 and no condo.
Depends on what you value, no? Maybe it's more important to him to stick it to the Alamo assholes, or make a statement about eminent domain than to make a few million bucks. It's his property, he can demand whatever he wants.
Well, like it or not, eminent domain is a thing in the US. So he's tilting at windmills.
Furthermore, those "Alamo assholes" are the reason his property is worth so much.
only idiots ‘speculate’ about what the future will bring and demand to be paid for their predictions.
A lot of highly paid financial analysts must be idiots, because that's literally what they're paid for. And real estate investors.
It's his land. It's his right. He can value it any way he wants.
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My cousin had a 10000 sf house before his divorce, Now he has to make due with a paltry 6000 sf house.
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Say he doesn't sell. His building is on a narrow strip of land on a big block. The Alamo foundation can build around him, relegating his entrance to a narrow location between two commercial loading docks in a dead end road. That's OK, too, right? Because it's their land and they are just building on it!
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Whoosh!
He should have taken the $3.5 million; that was a good offer for that location.
He might also have been able to negotiate a deal for a land swap and/or a venue inside the new building and come out ahead even further.
Don't forget the Alamo. Just forget the legal owners of a tavern on the Alamo. Thank you.
He should fight like the Alamo defenders...well, maybe that's the wrong analogy.
Maybe he should fight like the Texans at San Jacinto.
To what purpose? He doesn’t need money. He needs to not have his property stolen.
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