Nostr and the Decentralized Future of Social Media Is Here: Live with NVK, Will Casarin, Nick Gillespie, and Zach Weissmueller
Join Reason on YouTube and Facebook on Thursday at 1 p.m. Eastern for a discussion of the decentralized protocol Nostr with NVK, Damus app creator Will Casarin, Nick Gillespie, and Zach Weissmueller.
What is Nostr, the fledgling software project to which Twitter founder and former CEO Jack Dorsey gave 14 bitcoin (worth approximately $245,000 at the time) in December following Elon Musk's controversial Twitter acquisition?
One consequence of Musk's takeover has been to accelerate the growth of alternative, more decentralized networks. Many journalists and Twitter users critical of Musk flocked to Mastodon, which Reason's C.J. Ciaramella described as "a collection of 'federated' independent servers, each centered around a topic…. It's like a mix of Reddit and Twitter, but less centralized."
But Nostr—short for Notes and Other Stuff Transmitted by Relays—decentralizes on an even deeper level: It's not a social media network but an open-source protocol.
"If a platform is a silo, a protocol is a river," tweeted National Security Agency whistleblower Edward Snowden earlier this month, "no one owns it, and everyone is free to swim."
Once a user establishes a Nostr identity using a pair of keys (one public, one private), he or she can transmit text posts (i.e., "notes") or other information such as cryptocurrency payments (i.e., "other stuff") across any networked computer (i.e., "relay") willing to host that content. Because the users hold their own keys, they can use any site or app that runs the Nostr protocol to post and communicate with their friends and followers. No single third party has the power to delete users' posts or profiles from the Nostr ecosystem.
This Thursday at 1 p.m. Eastern, join Reason's Nick Gillespie and Zach Weissmueller for a live discussion of Nostr and the future of decentralized digital communication with bitcoin entrepreneur and host of the Bitcoin Review podcast NVK and Will Casarin, creator of Damus, the first Nostr-based social media client to be approved by the Apple app store. Watch and leave questions and comments on the YouTube video above or on Reason's Facebook page.
Show notes:
Total Nostr daily users and posts - https://nostr.band/stats.html
Coin Desk: "Jack Dorsey Gives Decentralized Social Network Nostr 14 BTC in Funding" https://www.coindesk.com/tech/2022/12/15/jack-dorsey-gives-decentralized-social-network-nostr-14-btc-in-funding/
Facebook Active Daily Users Q4 2022 - https://www.statista.com/statistics/346167/facebook-global-dau/
China bans Damus app - https://iris.to/post/note15dyll0ruhqme3k6kcq54gsed7cfasdpp6zgh76a27vhn5q70kfjqflvt2l
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Many journalists and Twitter users critical of Musk flocked to Mastodon,
Cite?
Well, all of the editors here at Reason have abandoned twitter.
Right?
Right?
Yep, posting to Mastadon from their homes in Canada.
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"Decentralized" social media is of little value. Facebook was valuable only because it was where everybody was.
It also doesn’t help that Reason is generally tech (and even relatively recent history) retarded (even willfully so). All your bitcoin going through the exact same blockchain as everyone else’s bitcoin all on the same protocol is somehow decentralized. Decentralized social media? Yeah, it made up the majority of the internet before, during, and after Google, MySpace, Facebook, and Twitter; they’re called web pages, dumbasses.
You’d think for a business full of journalists they’d know what words mean well enough to figure this shit out rather than consistently embarrassing themselves as out-of-touch, tech-geriatric Boomers who are only 30-40 yrs. old.
Indeed it is.
Your demographic!
Indeed it is.
No, it is not. It may be distributed, but it is not decentralized specifically because of the one blockchain and one protocol.
Your demographic!
centralized - adj. Centered in one point or on the authority of one person, party, etc.; vested in a central authority.
I'm sorry you can't grasp what words mean but distributed isn't decentralized any more than feudalism is federalism. Just because you think Facebook controlling what goes onto their servers across all the nodes they control is decentralized doesn't make it so. Even if Zuck has farmed out the decision to a team of executives, who've farmed it all out to middle managers... it's all still centralized under a single authority structure. Just like bitcoin's blockchain.
I want a currency based on moon rocks. The cost to obtain them is quite high. Tie X dollars to one once of moon rocks. You can expand your currency over time but it costs quite a lot. Perfect monetary system.
"All your bitcoin going through the exact same blockchain as everyone else’s bitcoin all on the same protocol is somehow decentralized."
You...don't think a blockchain is decentralized?
You…don’t think a blockchain is decentralized?
This isn’t difficult even at a 4th grade English level. “A” means singular. So, no, *a* blockchain cannot be decentralized any more than *a* car can driven by a dozen or more people at the same time. Even if you mean several million exact copies of the same blockchain, the authority that keeps the copies consistent is still centralized. The fact that you can say or point to a/the blockchain proves it’s not decentralized.
And this is true by your own precepts: do you think Goldman Sachs ledger/books are decentralized? Why not? They’ve got branches everywhere. They’ve got a solution, or several, to the Byzantine fault encountered when books don’t agree. *The* Goldman Sachs ledger is decentralized every bit as much as *the* Bitcoin blockchain is.
Even at a(n only slightly) more technical level, this isn’t difficult to grasp, P2P, email, version control systems are truly decentralized while Tweets, Facebook, and Tiktok posts are not. You would refer to the main branch vs. the head or the primary fork or latest revision or the specific thread or set of logs between two peers because there is no singular authoritative source, nobody besides the sender and recipient approves which emails go into an inbox or queue or blockchain. As opposed to Twitter, FB, and Tiktok who are their own respective authorities, nothing gets queue or put on (or taken off) the blockchain without approval of the respective authority. Back to the Goldman Sachs example, McDonalds is more decentralized financially as the franchise model is more distributed financially than the standard corporate fiefdom model.
Now, you might argue that McDonalds exerting extreme authority renders the degree of decentralization relative to Sachs essentially moot, but that’s the point, shifting the authority around trivially while still exerting the same or greater amounts of control isn’t actually decentralizing anything. Blockchain is only “decentralized” in the most trivial of fashions that would be akin to saying that if I saved a copy of a FB page locally Facebook is “decentralized” or if I hide a bunch of cash and T-notes under my mattress, the dollar is “decentralized”. The centralization, especially with regard to BTC and currency, doesn’t refer to everything being contained in one place, it refers to a single authority and the degree to which it controls everything in its domain.
The more BTC fanbois continue to ignore or deny this reality, the more they hurt BTC (and others’) auspicious aims.
One consequence of Musk's takeover has been to accelerate the growth of alternative, more decentralized networks.
So the proliferation of gab, parler, truth social, bitchute, oddessee, discord, locals, minds, etcetera ad infinitum WASN"T a reaction to accelerate the growth of alternative, more decentralized networks in the face of the rampant censorship of the idiots endlessly whining about Musk?
Musk, whose biggest act so far has been exposing them doing to others what they say they're afraid might be done to them?
How much lower can reason go?
Depends entirely on what Koch had for breakfast, and the directives attached to the next DC cocktail party invitation.
ENB was crying about Musk taking over..why? WTF Reason? What is your problem? I think it is the "gruff" libertarians who disgust Reason effeminate latte drinking, brie/quiche eating staff.
Publishing costs money and creates legal risks. I see no provisions in Nostr to deal with that.
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So Musk opens twitter up for free speech and "journalists" flee?
Along with Reason "libertarians"..ha ha ha
Reason has fallen so far. All to be the cool kid invited to the Salon, Wapo/NYT, Atlantic, CFR parties in DC. Pathetic Nick/Matt and the rest.
Twitter is kicking a$$. Finally voices against foreign interventionism, the Fed, and cultural marxism. Yesterday Michael Malice slapped the Reason neocon Cathy Young hard...