Why Schools Suck in the Movies and in Real Life
Why are educational institutions in real life more like the one in Carrie than the one in Harry Potter?
HD DownloadHave you ever noticed that most of the schools we see in movies and TV, read about in novels, or even hear about in songs are terrible, rotten places where you're likely to get pig blood dumped on you at prom, punched out on the playground, or humiliated by classmates and teachers alike?
We take for granted that attending K-12 education is like living in Orwell's 1984 or serving a prison sentence.
But there are exceptions—in fiction and in real life. Generally speaking, when you get to choose where you go to school, you're guaranteed a better experience because you've picked a place where you actually want to be—and that will treat you well because they know you can leave if you want. That's reflected in parental satisfaction rates, which are consistently higher for public schools of choice and private schools than assigned public schools.
Currently, only about a quarter of K-12 students attend something other than their local, assigned public schools—alternatives ranging from charters and magnets to private schools and being homeschooled. If more kids and their parents had more choices, schools would do a better job of responding to students' specific interests and needs and helping them become the best version of themselves. There's no one-size-fits-all in education any more than there is when it comes to clothing or shoes.
Here are three fictional schools, which are great not because they're right for everyone but because they meet the unique needs of their particular students.
Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters
Entry to this academy of superpowered mutants in the X-Men series is by invitation only, but it comes with a full ride—and a promise to learn how to control and master each student's special powers. Professor X and his faculty hold everyone to exacting, high standards but also make sure that nobody slips through the cracks, the sort of attention that is all too lacking in schools that take students—and the tuition dollars they represent—for granted.
The 2005 movie Sky High showcased another superhero high school, one filled with comic takes on traditional school drama, but it also featured gym classes that actually seemed worth taking. The students are quickly assigned to either a "hero track" if they display superpowers or a "sidekick" track if they lack them, but unlike too many real-life schools, the kids are able to change courses if they demonstrate new abilities.
Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry
And then there's Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, the school at the center of the Harry Potter series. Modeled on hidebound British boarding schools and centuries-old universities like Oxford and Cambridge, Hogwarts is filled with bullies, arbitrary rules, customs, and demanding teachers. But in the end, what makes this institution unique is the philosophy of its headmaster, Albus Dumbledore, who forces his greatest pupil to master not only all the magical arts but also a basic philosophical maxim about human action too.
These places are wonderful because they don't take their students for granted. Instead, they take their charges seriously and push them toward excellence and accomplishment while treating them as unique individuals.
Schools don't need to be dreary, downbeat hellholes—in movies or in real life. If more of us get to choose where we go, we'll be smarter, happier, and maybe even better adjusted. And our movies will eventually reflect that.
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They were ever thus.
“Why Schools Suck in the Movies and in Real Life”
Because they’re run by a bunch of democrat trash. That pretty much covers it.
Have you ever noticed that most of the schools we see in movies and TV, read about in novels, or even hear about in songs are terrible, rotten places where you're likely to get pig blood dumped on you at prom, punched out on the playground, or humiliated by classmates and teachers alike?
That's because the people writing the material weren't popular in high school. They aren't doing anything other than re-litigating their own past. Ex-jocks are always mocked for supposedly never moving past their high school glory days, but no one lives in the past like ex-nerds do.
These movies were mostly designed to evoke contempt for people who aren't anti-social, passive-aggressive shitheads. Strickland was absolutely correct that Marty McFly was a slacker, and the Breakfast Club kids deserved to lose their Saturday, irrespective of how shitty their personal lives supposedly were.
That's not been my observations. What I've seen is the popular kids tend to peak in high school, and their lives go downhill from there. Whereas people who were not tend to move on without a backwards glance.
Pretty much every popular kid from my high school has gone on to have a successful, satisfying life. There's been exceptions, but not the rule. Meanwhile, the ones who weren't are constantly projecting their resentment about that on to current politics and are generally fucking miserable people.
Meanwhile, the ones who weren’t are constantly projecting their resentment about that on to current politics and are generally fucking miserable people.
How can someone project resentment about being unpopular in high school onto current politics? That doesn't make any sense. Maybe it's a Facebook thing? I wouldn't know because these comments are as close as I get to social media.
How can someone project resentment about being unpopular in high school onto current politics? That doesn’t make any sense.
That's the point. There's nothing rational involved, it's just people who are still bitter they didn't get to fuck the all-state running back or the head cheerleader, and weren't invited to the weekend keggers with the other cool kids.
That's why you always see in shit like Can't Hardly Wait, "Poindexter went on to become successful in the computer industry, owns a private jet, and is married to a supermodel," the sensitive poet dork ends up getting to bang prime Jennifer Love Hewitt, while the star QB is working at a car wash and weighs 300 pounds.
In reality, Poindexter might actually have all that money, but the only hot chicks he's actually banging are prostitutes, Sensitive Poet Guy ended up with a skinny vegan harpy with problem glasses rather than the boobalicious cheerleader, who actually married a Zack Morris-type preppy and has three relatively well-adjusted kids, and the ex-QB is either running a successful car dealership or real estate practice, or is a general manager at Home Depot.
And in this day and age, Poindexter likely calls himself "Brenda" and is married to a gender-critical studies professor or NGO activist.
Likely alsodrunkenly makes comments on a faux libertarian website. Channeling much of his rage at a certain ex president and generally being an asshole.
Again, that’s not been my experience. The few times I ran into guys who were popular in high school, the only things they wanted to talk about was sports and teenage sexual exploits. Their bodies left the building but their minds were still there. The popular chick who I caught up with did phone sex immediately after school before becoming a body builder. The unpopular guy I ran into recently at the grocery store has his own catering business. Oh, and a year before the pandemic someone who I remember as being popular filled my coffee and delivered a plate of eggs.
Did you get those anecdotes off the net, or make them up yourself? And if they’re true (doubtful), what did they think about you being a drunk version of Oscar the Grouch?
Could it be you are one of the ones projecting?
How did the unpopular kids end up? Drunk, homeless, defending democrats on Reason?
It is noteworthy that even the moderately geeky guys behind Google and other tech companies were not social outcasts in highschool or college. There are a few socially awkward rejects, but the majority were good at networking, and building circles of supporting friends, which helped them get through school and ultimately build companies that were successful.
Besides all that, the ultra-cliquish caste system envisioned by simple hollywood films is pretty simplistic, tbh. I think Hughes' films do better to illustrate this. High school for me- and for my kids in my experience- was more like Ferris Bueller's Day Off than Heathers. Yes kids have their friend groups and they tend to spend their time with those people, but there isn't a rigid pecking order.
That was my experience too. It wasn't the jocks as the cool kids and the nerds as the social outcasts who got picked on. Seemed like the jocks mostly picked on younger jocks and everyone else pretty much got along except for a few angry kids with shitty parents, though mostly stuck to their own social groups. I suppose there were a few people who got bullied for various reasons, but those seemed like particular situations and not the social norm.
At my school, the geeks were largely complete outcasts because they were so socially maladapted by the time we got to high school. We had plenty of jocks who were brainiacs (half the people on the honor roll played at least one sport), they just had social skills as well.
From my school, the popular, in-crowd, academically or athletically accomplished kids grew up to be a very mixed bag, while the outcast nerds and stoners had a more uniform outcome. The fates of the kids who had a great time in high school have ranged from prison and suicide to great success as artists, scientists, and businessmen, while the out-group kids continued going nowhere in small, dull lives. I can't think of a single case of a high school loser rising above it to high achievement.
How do you say ‘I was popular in high school’ without saying ‘I was popular in high school’?
I wasn't in the popular crowd. I was in the nerd crowd up until junior year, save for a few individuals who had the ability to float between cliques and were generally friends with everyone. Junior year, I went out for the football team, and that changed my status from the nerd clique to the "floaters."
That didn't last long, anyway, because we moved after football season was over to a new school all the way across the Denver metro. I ended up falling in there with the military brats whose parents were stationed at Lowry and Fitzsimons, mainly because we had a lot of the same interests and the same level of personal discipline.
How do you say ‘I was unpopular in high school’ without saying ‘I was unpopular in high school’?
That’s not been my observations. What I’ve seen is the popular kids tend to peak in high school, and their lives go downhill from there. Whereas people who were not tend to move on without a backwards glance.
Yeah, that comes up way too often.
Of course, what it comes down to is that high school isn't particularly interesting. You go to class, you do your assigned reading, you take a test, and you talk about random shit over lunch with your friends. You're disappointed your best friend isn't eating lunch at the same time as you, but you don't have any real control over that. The lack of control is frustrating but ultimately it's the most petty of complaints in the long run.
High schoolers aren't generally clever, witty, or insightful, so in order to make it interesting, you have to elevate things. There may be some actual bullies but it tends to be more mild than you see in films and it's more about the emotional impact of it than showing actual bruises or coming home covered in pig blood. Writers imagine themselves with all their current education and their current sense of their friends being back in high school, but that's not who they were back then. They weren't doing interesting shit in high school.
Screech from Saved by the Bell better personifies who those writers really were?
Yeah, pretty much. Zack is who they aspired to be, but it's not who they were, and even then, Screech was the kid you knew in high school who wouldn't have been popular if he hadn't grown up next door to Zack in the first place and their parents weren't friends.
There’s also a fundamental aspect to popular storytelling involved. The story generally has to resolve and, to resolve, conflict is essential. Public HS, or any school, is a pretty common experience and everybody has some degree of conflict with that environment.
Tough choice as to whether I’d rather go to Sunnydale HS or work for OCP in Detroit. Faber University seems like a pretty fun place until Dean Wormer expels you and notifies the draft board that your student deferments have lapsed.
I’m getting kind of tired of the Idiocracy or Snowpiercer Syndrome where any/every suspension-of-disbelief central premise that’s barely good enough for 2 hours of decompression is spun up into some polemic thought piece. The Matrix, if it was good, wasn’t good because of the premise of machines using humans as batteries, it was good because of the special effects and because there is no spoon.
As up its own ass as The Matrix was, it's ironically relevant today in regards to how ordinary people will defend a corrupt, surreal, captured system to the death simply because they're so dependent on it and inured to its abuses, while the agents of that system will manipulate reality and suppress those who don't go along with the program in order to keep it going.
Sunnydale HS
For the Millennials and Zoomers: Hawkins High School itself doesn't seem particularly bad either.
The Matrix was great.
Every iteration since the first has gotten worse.
The low point was when I recently watched the new one.
Not terrible, but no reason for it to exist.
The low point there was the horrible girlboss cover of RATM's Wake Up.
Fn sacrilege.
The new one was terrible.
I think it's way simpler than that. These are well established tropes and what people expect to see. You need some conflict and people are lazy and like formulaic movies and shows.
Look at fast times at Ridgemont high. The mean strict teach made sure spichole learned
I didn't think Mr. Hand was all that mean. Spicoli was just an idiot, and high, very high.
Mr. Hand was supposed to represent those on-the-verge-of-retirement teachers of that era who’d been around since the 1940s or 50s when the most rebellious shit most teenagers did was usually smoking ciggies or playing mailbox baseball, and then had to deal with all the lunacy of the counterculture. There’s a reason he acts so exasperated and strict towards his students, because he knows if he doesn’t, they’ll walk all over him otherwise, but he’s not above allowing them the chance to prove themselves, either.
An asshole teacher wouldn’t go to Spicoli’s house and let Spicoli discuss everything that he’d learned during the year so that the teacher could justify passing him.
Ackshuyally, Mailbox baseball is a Federal Felony if one wanted to press, so "'The Good Ol' Days' weren't always good."
For me, shoving nerds into their lockers was called "school".
And yet another reason to Separate Education from State and Education from Schooling.
Instead of asking "Were you bullied in school?" as an insult, the real insult should be "Were you the kind of asshole who shoved awkward but bright kids into lockers?"
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These places are wonderful because they don't take their students for granted.
Have you even watched any of the Harry Potter movies? Hogwarts is a freaking death trap. It's a horrifying dystopian look into education. Several of the teachers are abusive and hateful, they routinely have to fire teachers for being literally evil and trying to teach evil to children. A whole 25% of the students get pre-selected into joining the evil house and are treated as if they're predestined to be evil.
Hogwarts is one of the worst examples of an educational facility in all of film.
And I guess we're going to pretend Dolores Umbridge wasn't headmaster.
take their students for granted.
Our first exposure to Hogwarts as such (rather than just the staff acting independently of their school obligations) they perpetrate a campaign of harassment against the Dursleys and unequivocally, by pretty much any standard since before the beginning of The Enlightenment, kidnap him.
*spoiler alert* That they kidnapped him out of their belief in a murder-suicide-sacrifice omen or pact between Harry and The Dark Lord they created is central to the plot.
>>*spoiler alert*
would guess my collective viewing time of all the HP movies is maybe four minutes.
Watched 1-4 (and 5?) straight through in the maternity ward waiting for Scion No. 1. They're better than watching the screen monitoring the pulseox/HR/contractions of a woman with an epidural.
They're actually pretty good movies, for the most part. And I'm not really a Harry Potter fan, never read the books, don't nitpick the lore etc.
"Several of the teachers are abusive and hateful, they routinely have to fire teachers for being literally evil and trying to teach evil to children. A whole 25% of the students get pre-selected into joining the evil house and are treated as if they’re predestined to be evil."
So actually much better numbers than current American education.
Hogwarts is safer than most Chicago schools.
On the average, school is a much safer place for kids than home.
In what way and for what purpose?
they routinely have to fire teachers for being literally evil and trying to teach evil to children
At least the evil teachers who teach evil things to children actually get fired, unlike the real world.
At least several and sometimes dozens of students died every year as a result of negligence by the staff and/or failure to protect students from hostile outside attackers, but hey, Harry and his friends ended up ok (after being nearly killed many times).
>blockquote>Have you ever noticed that most of the schools we see in movies and TV, read about in novels, or even hear about in songs are terrible, rotten places where you're likely to get pig blood dumped on you at prom, punched out on the playground, or humiliated by classmates and teachers alike?
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These places are wonderful because they don't take their students for granted. Instead, they take their charges seriously and push them toward excellence and accomplishment while treating them as unique individuals.
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"sometimes they need protection from their own parents.”
That's unfortunately true.
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She should be fired and blackballed from the teaching profession. All these people should be.
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Rep. Katherine Clark (D-Mass) gives her own account of the common symptoms of destabilizing psychological trauma among children exposed to climate doom & other neo-communist politics.
This a Groomer giving an open account of how they disrupted & dismantled their own child’s sense of safety, place in the world(identity), & future outlook.
Worth noting that it’s easier for Katherine Clark to imagine herself as a good parent if there were more kids like hers.
Same clip with a couple accompanying images of Katherine Clark’s “daughter”, Riley (Jared) Dowell, who was recently arrested rioting in Atlanta, Georgia.
I know so many people just like Riley/Jared who can track adult depression back to becoming obsessed w “apocalypse” as a kid.
Climate Victim is the universal identity that undergirds Woke politics globally.
And to be totally clear for readers/viewers, this interview with Rep Katherine Clark occurred before her son’s recent arrest. This is not a response to the arrest/an excuse for their behavior; just a clip of her talking openly about how she brought him here that is now relevant.
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You are seriously comparing real schools to two superhero schools and a magical boarding school?
At some point society needs to come to terms with the fact that reality does not correspond to their favorite fiction or art fantasies.
It's like the people who dial 911 and expect the cops to show up within a hour.
Carrie was effective horror precisely because her nightmarish home and school life was only very slightly exaggerated from what many kids actually live.
She was ostensibly based on a student that King taught.
Why Commie-School SUCKS.........?
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The telling phrase that shows how brainwashed even the authors of the above are is “when we get to choose what school.” That’s a start I guess, but still sounds like the voice of a dependent child begging for favors from the nanny state in control, all the while supporting a state system that requires ENDLESS lifelong expanding payment for schools, even if neither you nor your kids ever set foot in them! What a racket, with no accountability for the state, endless budget increases, and no consent on the part of the customer, or citizen who is not even a customer. HOW STUPID ARE WE? How about, if government got completely out of the business of education and child rearing, and we acted like free and responsible citizens in a free and responsible society, who realize that being a parent means taking responsibility for your own children, seeking out learning opps for kids like any other service, and or providing or creating learning opps with other parents? Think you can’t afford it? Look at what we are all paying, and what we are getting. Learning has never been cheaper or easier for any motivated person, with all the massive amounts of info and learning materials all over the net and virtually free. WAKE UP.
Absolutely! You have the right idea here! The whole world and all of life can be a non-stop education if you treat it that way! 🙂
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