The Lab Leak Deception
Public officials concealed their conflicts of interest and role in funding research that may have caused the pandemic, says health reporter Emily Kopp.
HD DownloadJournalists and scientists routinely dismissed the lab leak hypothesis as a crackpot theory and even as "racist," up until the summer of 2021 when science journalist Nicholas Wade published an influential article, and a viral rant by Jon Stewart pushed it into the mainstream. Until that point, social media platforms had been removing or throttling posts that took it seriously. Anthony Fauci, who didn't respond to our interview request, said it wasn't worth even considering the possibility that COVID could have originated in a lab.
More recently, emails made public through the Freedom of Information Act have revealed that Fauci, National Institutes of Health (NIH) director Francis Collins, and other prominent public officials took the possibility of a lab origin far more seriously than they were letting on.
"Top virologists, sort of giants in this field, were looking at the genome and freaking out, basically," says health reporter Emily Kopp, who works at the nonprofit U.S. Right to Know, an organization that has obtained thousands of pages of official documents and correspondence, some of which reveal an orchestrated effort by scientists to downplay the lab leak theory. It's also extensively analyzed emails obtained via a lawsuit by Buzzfeed's Jason Leopold that reveal the huge disconnect between what health officials were telling the public and what they were saying in private.
"A really central part of this entire story that maybe is not talked about enough is the fact that so many mainstream publications have completely overlooked really key pieces of evidence in this story," says Kopp. "We see a lot of health editors and health reporters prioritizing a tidy narrative about Anthony Fauci over providing the truth to their readers."
U.S. Right to Know is devoting significant resources to its "COVID-19 Origins" research with the mission of "investigating the origins of Covid-19, the risks of gain-of-function research and mishaps at Biolabs where pathogens of pandemic potentials are stored and manipulated."
Kopp has assembled a comprehensive timeline that lays out substantial evidence that Fauci, Collins, and a number of influential scientists misled the public. Whether or not the lab leak theory is correct, it's now clear that these public officials concealed their conflicts of interest with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and minimized their own roles in providing government funding for unsupervised gain-of-function research that may have led to the pandemic.
Among other things, Kopp's research has revealed that virologist Kristian Andersen, who didn't answer our interview request, wrote privately to Fauci that he and three other scientists thought that the virus that causes COVID-19 looked unnatural and "inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory." Just four days later, after participating in a series of teleconferences with Fauci and Collins, Andersen called the lab leak theory "crackpot."
Other emails revealed that Fauci knew that his agency was funding gain-of-function research with SARS-like coronaviruses in Wuhan by late January 2020, yet he publicly denied it before Congress 18 months later, claiming that the research didn't meet the U.S. government's technical definition of research that aims "to increase the ability of infectious agents to cause disease by enhancing its pathogenicity or by increasing its transmissibility."
In an October 2021 letter to Congress, NIH Deputy Director Lawrence Tabak admitted that the NIH had funded a grant to an NGO called EcoHealth Alliance that was working with scientists in Wuhan. These experiments resulted in mice becoming sicker when infected with a lab-manipulated coronavirus that had a known ability to bind to human receptors. EcoHealth Alliance has claimed that because this result was "unexpected," it wasn't gain-of-function research. But the organization didn't cease experimentation after achieving these results. The NIH sent EcoHealth Alliance compliance letters two years after receiving the data about the enhanced virus, but NIH leadership didn't pull the funding.
"For some reason, NIH carved out this exception to its own gain-of-function regulations for EcoHealth Alliance," says Kopp. "There are also real questions about whether EcoHealth Alliance has published all of the data it has access to, which is, I think really scandalous because EcoHealth Alliance…accepts our public tax dollars."
Emails between U.S. scientists and those working in the Wuhan lab confirm that many viral sequences from that lab remained unpublished as of 2021.
The question of COVID-19's origins still remains an open one. In February of 2022, The New York Times published an article citing new research claiming "dispositive evidence" for the theory that the virus originated at the Wuhan market. But after peer review, those findings are far less conclusive
One of the studies cited by the Times identified raccoon dogs as the likely animal host. But raccoon dogs were sold in relatively small quantities at the Wuhan market, there's no evidence they are particularly susceptible to the early strain of the virus, and there are "no natural infections of a raccoon dog documented by any strain of SARS-CoV-2 anywhere in the world," according to one critique by another team of scientists. In the published version of the pro-market-spread article, the authors abandoned the claim of "dispositive" evidence for a Wuhan market origin, substituting a weaker claim that animals at the market were a "clear conduit" for the virus, though they concede that there's no direct evidence of a market animal infected with it.
In contrast, there was strong evidence that the 2002 SARS outbreak was transmitted to humans by animals.
More recently, a pre-print study published by three biologists claims to have discovered a genetic "fingerprint" indicating "strong evidence of synthetic origin of SARS-CoV-2." Kristian Andersen, a member of Fauci's inner circle in the early days of the pandemic, dismissed that paper as "bullshit" that fails "kindergarten molecular biology."
A Senate committee report released by Republicans last week concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic "was most likely the result of a research-related incident" citing "gaps" like the failure to identify an "intermediate host species," the lack of evidence showing transmission from animals to humans and unanswered questions about the virus' "unique genetic features, such as its furin cleavage site." A Pro Publica/Vanity Fair investigation drawing on materials from that report uncovered internal communications that seem to indicate Chinese state officials went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology to investigate "an acute safety emergency in November 2019."
Research that results in new types of coronaviruses continues in labs both in the U.S. and abroad, with a recent experiment out of Boston University resulting in a virus that combines the deadly ancestral strain of SARS-CoV-2 with the transmissible and immune-evasive omicron variant. Some scientists have defended the research because the original strain killed 100 percent of mice infected in the lab while the lab-generated virus killed only 80 percent of infected mice. However, the omicron variant killed no infected mice and is known to be better at evading vaccine-induced immunity in humans, so it's unclear what effect this chimeric virus would have on a human population were it to escape the lab.
In September, the NIH awarded a new grant for studying bat-borne coronaviruses to EcoHealth Alliance.
"It seems to me like the status quo is more or less continuing unabated," says Kopp. "I don't think that experiments are actually slowing, and I think they might actually be accelerating."
Watch the full video interview above.
UPDATE: A paragraph in this story has been revised since publication to add additional context about the coronavirus experiments at Boston University.
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The man sitting for the interview linked below proves, beyond any shadow of doubt that covid did not come from China or anywhere in Asia. Covid came from Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Anthony Fauci contracted with the UNC @ Chapel Hill to research the possibilities of the so-called “novel corona virus” as a treatment for AIDS-related lung infections. On April 19th 2002, UNC researchers filed for U.S. Patent # 7279327 to protect the results of their research.
From that research, what we now call the SARS virus was developed. The man sitting for the interview, Dr. David E. Martin explains, with eloquent precision, how this covid & the vaccines scam were developed and promoted. The man has the facts. Ain’t you tired of being HAD by all these experts and politicians who lie thru their teeth? I’m sick of it all. Why hasn’t Trump taken this man around the country? Why hasn’t Tucker Carlson interviewed him? With proof like this on the record why are we still hearing the drumbeat of a Chinese conspiracy, or any of the other BS.
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That's an interesting concept. There is an actual US patent as claimed (https://patents.google.com/patent/US7279327B2/en) titled "Methods for producing recombinant coronavirus". But there's also a good likelihood that further research was done in Wuhan, at a facility with a poor track record of safety and security. Covid-19 leaks, China & WHO coverup, and US press is complacent.
NOt even plausible. With the whole force of the US behind him and wanting to come up with your conclusion, Biden couldn't do it. His "investigation" was inconclusive so I won't waste time on your whatever it is
Whether it came from China or Chappel Hill, it was funded and doubtless released by Democrats for political purposes.
Democrats who are in bed with the CCP (sometimes literally) regardless.
You act like partisanry matters at that level - the uniparty / deep state / 4th branch corporatist rules based order / nwo - they’re the ones who lihop or mihop this virus. And they sure as shit don’t care about whether we are allowed abortions or not (which is of course the distinguishing feature between dems and repubs. What a useless party system. What a mockery those in charge make of all of us. We are all just a bunch of faggots fucking each other in the ass, we deserve what we get.
This is a great example of how the government and media managed to create so many nay-sayers and conspiracy groups. Get caught lying, after telling the world I'm a nutter for my questions, and I'll never believe you again. That trust may never be restored.
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It’s possible that the COVID outbreak was the first stage of a p,an to mute the human race into a squid like creature as sort of a ‘ultimate form of evolution ‘. I suspect testing of the Mark 3 Travel Machine is already underway in preparation for this end.
The ultimate democrats.
Reason editors played right along with the democrats and state media. Racism. Conspiracy. Go fuck yourself.
The GOP doesn't have the balls and is almost as deep in the DC corruption as the Dems but we need to shut down much of the Federal Govt at this point until we cleanse the corruption and degeneracy...NIH should have their budget cut 50% and output should be aligned to specific objectives that are measurable. CDC has become a somewhat useless propaganda arm of the DNC, shut it down. Outsource important research to independent labs.
Lmao - good luck with that brah. Shut down the feds - ducking hilarious. Like with a button you’re gonna push? Have you thought this out at all? Our time came and went for that 60 years ago.
"what does it matter now"
Will be the usual answer from the dems and the media even though the crime, yes it is a crime does matter
“No one had to obey the lockdowns.”
"It never happened"
/CNN lackeys
"Trump is responsible."
/CNN Lackeys
"Do you have a citation?"
/LyingMike
“Two weeks to flatten the curve.”
Repeated mindlessly by every Democrat until the third week…
I don't understand. The Mises crowd says that 'public health' is pure government overreach because viruses are natural and government has no role in 'protecting people' (the intent of such programs if not necessarily the outcome). So if this virus was manmade - and originated from an alliance of the Chinese commies and Davos globalists no less - then isn't the primary function of government to protect regular Americans from that sort of threat?
Yes.
Nope, that's not what "the Mises crowd" says.
If this weren't another of your lame strawman assertions, then the fact would be that the CDC was shown to be woefully unprepared for their primary mission. As it is another of your lame strawman assertions, pound sand. You promoted denying basic rights and medical care to people who held opposing views. Not only do you 'not understand,' it seems likely you never did and never will.
Yes the CDC was woefully prepared. I imagine things could have gone differently had Linda Quick kept her position...
The Hill: US Eliminated Key China-Based Public Health Position Ahead Of Coronavirus Outbreak: Report
Experts including one former official who held that position told the news service that Quick, were she still in her position, would have had the opportunity to receive warning and information about the coronavirus outbreak possibly sooner than U.S. and other global health experts did. “It was heartbreaking to watch,” Bao-Ping Zhu, the former CDC official who held the role between 2007-2011, told the news agency. “If someone had been there, public health officials and governments across the world could have moved much faster.” (Bowden, 3/22)
https://khn.org/morning-breakout/trump-administration-eliminated-cdc-position-intended-to-detect-disease-outbreaks-in-china-several-months-ago/
Wait, so you're saying China was being less than transparent about their dealings with EcoHealth Alliance, which was a front group for Fauci's government agency?
Would she have exposed the Chinese deception (they told the world the new disease wasn't infectious, kept internation flights from Wuhan going, but blocked internal travel from Wuhan), or aided it? If she reacted like other CDC officials, she would have been aiding and abetting.
I talked about the incompetence of the CDC back when you people were saying 'we don't need to test anything this is just the flu'
Bullshit. You trying to scramble to cover for your shitty takes then and now rings as hollow as the rest of your deliberately counterfactual twaddle. Your sad 'everybody believed it was just the flu AND everybody believes it is a deadly lab-produced Chinese virus' is perhaps the most risible example of this. Not only are you now trying to paint yourself as reasonable and prophetic as well as correct and on the side of 'science,' you are pathetically transparent in your lies. You were in the wrong. You are in the wrong. And you provide the best argument as to why there will be no 'amnesty' as Prof Oster suggests. People like you lack integrity, any interest in the rights of others, and will apparently simply add lie after lie to attempt to mask their indefensible positions. Get fucked, running dog.
"I talked about the incompetence of the CDC back when you people were saying ‘we don’t need to test anything this is just the flu’"
No, you slimy piece of shit, you did nothing other than wave the PANIC flag. Now, courtesy of "DC Libertarian Party", chew on this for the results of your chicken-little act, fuck-face:
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29928/w29928.pdf
A pdf, so copy-paste is not possible, but they review economic and educational losses, as compared to positive medical outcomes, and the composite net leaves CA, 'ruled' by that tin-pot-dictator wannabe grease ball, who pretty much followed what fuck-face proposed, as dead last. Of all 50 states and DC.
You can't do worse than that, and asshole is now trying to walk it back
Stuff your PANIC flag up your ass, and sit on it, shitbag
You clearly don't understand.
The government never had any ability to 'protect' people from the virus.
So what you're saying is that biological warfare is not the sort of warfare where govt has a legitimate function
They certainly should not be engaging in biological warfare, no.
How is it possible for every post to be dumber than the last?
Evolution does not necessarily make organisms smarter.
Remember Devo? Meet a founding member; read the asshole JFree for a walk in the shallow end of the gene pool.
They made three or four of my favorite albums ever. But, man, are they hella disappointing when they open their mouths about politics, nowadays. Worst kind of rich art college progressive. PETA fundraisers and all.
You mean the kind of armchair leftist described in ‘Holiday in Cambodia’?
"So what you’re saying is that biological warfare is not the sort of warfare where govt has a legitimate function"
No, chicken little fuck-face, what we're saying is that you ought to stuff your strawman up your ass, along with your PANIC flag to keep your head company.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
You don't like MDs talking public policy but you like economists talking medicine!! Whoa, get a mirror
You don’t need mandates to help people. Ever.
No, no, no, it's "What difference, at this point, does it make?" while looking incredulous that anyone would even still be asking questions about this "old news."
YOUR RIGHT
Will this be covered by the COVID amnesty?
“At this point, what difference does it make?”
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Yawn.
Old news.
Nobody cares anymore; time for amnesty and moving on.
What difference, at this point, does it make?
Why do you hate democracy?
A 17 year old told me the virus emanated from a class 4 virology lab in Wuhan in March 2020. Everyone with ten brain cells knew why this was happening (Trump derailement, voter fruad) and what its net results would be: Ongoing disaster for America. Fauci should be in prison.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2017.21487
^
No amnesty. Hard prison time for every official who implemented mandates.
And not a word about Senator Rand Paul constantly asking Fauci about the funding while Fauci continually and constantly denied it. Why isn't Fauci facing a fine or jail time for contempt of Congress?
One can hope Paul will eventually resonate with more of the Republican party and maybe even one day manage to be President.
I doubt it though.
Unfortunately you're probably right. His moment has passed.
Whatever an article doesn't mention something, assume the most malicious motivations for the deliberate omission.
There can be no other explanation!
When you argue from malice towards others, then they must also have bad intentions.
Lies of omission are a thing, sarcasmic.
And when you assume every omission is a lie, as you do, you're arguing in bad faith.
If a libertarian magazine deliberately and routinely ignores hugely important libertarian-interest stories because they reflect poorly on a certain political party, that's lies of omission.
You're pretending that this doesn't happen, even though I know that you're aware that it does and that there have been dozens of examples this year. In doing this, you are arguing in bad faith.
So ar stop gong to start whining about ‘mean girls’ again you little bitch?
Arguing in good faith means giving the benefit of the doubt. "Maybe they misspoke. Why aren't they talking about such-and-such?"
As opposed to "Ha! Gotcha! I'm bookmarking that! Whoah, they didn't talk about such-and-such? That means they support the worst possible thing I can think of!"
You and your fuck buddy are jacking each other off again. Why don’t you two apply for joint domicile? I hear neutral Mike is a big independent like you and has a super successful contracting company. I’ll be he can keep you in bottom shelf booze to you your liver’s content.
Cue “mean girls” response
I am indeed a big meanie, but I don’t identify that way.
God, this schtick is so tired.
What shtick? That good faith arguments mean both parties assume the other is honest? That bad faith arguments mean otherwise? And that these comments are a cesspool thanks to bad-faith actors who get praise because they “Own libs” or otherwise attribute malice towards their opponent and use it to shut them down?
So, playing the ignorant game now? Just insufferable.
Just crawl back in your bottle.
I ain’t done granting wishes!
Here’s one. Go away forever.
If some leftist says you want abortion to be illegal because you support the overturning of RvW, you might be like what the fuck, right? The ruling means its going to the states. Doesn't mean you want to ban abortion. But that's what will be thrown in your face. You can't clarify your position because you'll be called a liar and a hater. You're effectively shut down and piled on for something you never said.
What's the difference between that and how the cool kids operate on these comments?
What does this comment even mean?
Something that needs to be explained isn't worth explaining.
You can't even explain your own comment?
Can? Yes. But it would be pointless.
Will? No. Because it would be pointless.
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Everything Sarc says is pointless and doesn’t need saying. He’s a worthless drunk and knows it. So he’s angry and comes here to take it out on everyone. If he had a wife or kid he would be beating them. But he doesn’t have anyone, so he’s here.
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I just love the Taylor Lorenz style sarc embraces. Comes in and posts provocative trolls mocking and condescending people. Then when he receives unpleasant responses he whines like a child about how mean everyone is to him when he's simply just trying to post a rational and reasoned argument.
Hats because he really doesn’t have any real ideas or cogent arguments. Now he’s just babbling because he doesn’t even have witty retorts.
He’s just a drunk, broken piece of shit.
Lol. The Taylor Lorenz style of posting is the perfect description of sarc.
sarcasmic
Based on the current evidence, I don't think you know anything about "arguing in good faith".
+200 Perry Mason points!
Case in point.
Trofim Fauci is never going to admit wrongdoing.
...to the chorus of MSM shills putting out endless articles: "Fauci DESTROYS Rand Paul's conspiracy theory"
Ya, they can get right fucked with their amnesty. Carrying water for a war criminal or mass murderer without any shame should have consequences.
And not a word about Senator Rand Paul constantly asking Fauci
They literally link to a video titled: Dr. Anthony Fauci to Sen. Rand Paul at hearing: You do not know what you’re talking about
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnb2Yxri6eY
Although reasonable people can ask questions about whether some kinds of research are too dangerous to be allowed legally, there is no possible doubt that the United States government should be forbidden from funding dangerous research at a Chicom laboratory where safety is lax and none of the US officials could possibly know whether adequate precautions and safeguards were being followed. In the same way that some people question whether Americans should buy goods produced by “slave labor” in China, we should all seriously question whether weaponized viruses should be produced for the US government by Chinese virologists in Chicom virology labs. How much more should we hold Fauci, Francis, Andersen and others accountable – perhaps criminally – for their negligence in creating the pandemic that cost millions of lives and their coverup.
Chicom laboratory where safety is lax and none of the US officials could possibly know whether adequate precautions and safeguards were being followed.
This is probably the very reason why it was done there, so there's that. Little oversight mean's little questions from nosey citizens or officials.
Fauci specifically chose China because he wanted to continue doing his mad scientist experiments without oversight.
^
While simultaneously becoming a rich rockstar. What an evil bastard.
What if the gain of function research had already been done and the Wuhan lab was contracted to cover the tracks of the country that did the work? What if the World Military Games was the initial spreader of the virus. Many athletes were sickened and the virus spread quickly on the home bases of participating US and other nation's athletes. The US government attempt to conceal the "lab leak" theory with the help of a doting press only makes sense if the US is hiding something.
The whole thing is just nuts--the location where dangerous research is conducted happens to be ground zero, and agencies are discounting the obvious explanation? Why?
If they had accepted that possibility that would be admitting Trump might be right about something and that couldn't happen regardless of the costs to others.
Yes. But it is even more than that. There's an "in your face-ness" about it. Take another example: Ashley Biden's diary. They prosecuted two sad sacks for "stealing" it even though Ashley left it behind. (Who has ever heard of such a prosecution?) What did that do--it authenticated the diary. So we have the daughter of the President stating that he took showers with her. So why would they prosecute? Because they know nothing will come of it given their buddies in the media. Only Tucker Carlson, for all his flaws, has the guts to say so out loud.
There’s an “in your face-ness” about it.
There's an “in your face-ness” about this, the Pelosi's obvious insider trading, the obvious political witch hunt that the "Russian collusion" bullshit was, Hillary's private email server, and on and on (I'm sure there's several other recent examples of open, in your face corruption that I'm forgetting about).
They used to have the common courtesy of at least trying to hide their corruption but now, I guess they all got the memo that there's zero accountability as long as you're a member of the anointed elite.
Never again, never forget. There will be a reckoning, and it is beginning to gather steam.
Fauci is a liar, a traitor and most likely a criminal.
Yep.. let’s give Fauci an assist on this Chinese Bat virus and remember, once again, just “follow the money”!
Because these agencies did not want it revealed that the US government paid for that research.
2020 COVID baked up in a lab funded by US.
Fat.ass Donnie was president.
Using the 'it happened while he was president inflation' causality theory Donnie is to blame for COVID.
Using the "Pedo comments and kiddie porn links got deleted" to remind you to go look elsewhere for your thrills.
A few years back you posted kiddy porn to this site, and your initial handle was banned. The link below details all the evidence surrounding that ban. A decent person would honor that ban and stay away from Reason. Instead you keep showing up, acting as if all people should just be ok with a kiddy-porn-posting asshole hanging around. Since I cannot get you to stay away, the only thing I can do is post this boilerplate.
https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/?comments=true#comment-9635836
I keep reading that I was banned from you Peanuts.
Strange. I'm still here with the same Buttplug charm.
Strange. I’m still here with the same Buttplug charm.
But new handle because the old one was banned and scrubbed after you posted links to child porn.
Stop trying to pretend that everyone doesn't remember, because we do.
If by charm, it means ignoring universal derision except from a few too stupid and ignorant, and /or biased to have the integrity to treat spb w/ contempt, then yes.
Nope. You’re not getting away with that. You’re a child molesting piece of shit. We will never let you escape that.
You really should end your life.
"I keep reading that I was banned"
So what happened to your old nick? Why the "2"?
Using the ‘it happened while he was president inflation’ causality theory Donnie is to blame for COVID.
This is retarded even for you.
Well I don't really believe that.
I'm just using the "Inflation is Biden's Fault because it started in 2021" causality theory.
Biden's policies created upward pressure on prices.
The monumental level of purposeful false contextualization that you have to do to make these comments is staggering.
Good to know you have no integrity other than "I will say whatever I need to in order to protect my political team."
Hope you at least get paid for such pure dishonesty and reputation destruction. Of course, you do like child porn, so maybe reputation and integrity aren't of concern for you.
"Of course, you do like child porn, so maybe reputation and integrity aren’t of concern for you."
Hmmm, yet another thing he has in common with Joe Biden? Does Butthole shower with little girls too?
Nobody is using the "Inflation is Biden's fault because it happened in 2021" causality theory. Inflation is clearly Biden's fault because the government under his near-total control tripled the money supply with "rescue" spending while pretending that it would not cause serious, longer-term inflation. The COVID pandemic is not even remotely Trump's fault because there is no evidence that he knew about the Wuhan Gain of Function research or that it would have been his intention to support it had he known.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a slimy pile of TDS-addled shit, kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
COVID was "baked up" much earlier, under research grants granted under Obama.
That's the level of simplistic reasoning we have come to expect from you.
It's not, however, why Biden is guilty of causing massive inflation.
Damn, beat me to it.
"...That’s the level of simplistic reasoning we have come to expect from you..."
It's not "reasoning", turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled pile of shit, a kiddie diddler, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
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That’s a logical fallacy. Can you point to appointments or policies from Trump that caused the COVID outbreak? No? Then shut up and go commit suicide.
You’re a lying shitweasel, and you rape children.
A Senate committee report released by Republicans last week concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic "was most likely the result of a research-related incident" citing "gaps" like the failure to identify an "intermediate host species," the lack of evidence showing transmission from animals to humans and unanswered questions about the virus' "unique genetic features, such as its furin cleavage site."
This isn't how scientific reasoning works. You don't take an inability to fully support one hypothesis as evidence to support a different hypothesis. This really looks a lot like "Where are the transitional fossils!?! Therefore God did it!"
A senate committee is not engaged in scientific research.
This. It's also worth remembering that anyone getting their "science" from politicians is a fool. And that applies to anyone.
This is settled political science.
Except that you'd expect to find things that fill in the gaps here---not so much an expectation in the fossil record where there are going to be gaps--and there are other ways to show evolution, e.g., the tetrapod that went back out to sea.
Except that you’d expect to find things that fill in the gaps here—not so much an expectation in the fossil record where there are going to be gaps–and there are other ways to show evolution, e.g., the tetrapod that went back out to sea.
I don't think anyone in these comments has expertise in epidemiology or virology, so talking about what we would expect is not going to be productive.
We really need to look to published research on the topic to get a valid sense of what is known and what is still unknown and where to go from here. Few of us have that kind of time or background to really make that a viable option, though. As Squirrilloid points out, this argument was coming from senators, not scientists, so we should take it for what that is worth - Not much.
Or, it might be worth less than nothing, if it is biased and agenda-driven. Yes, so could things being said by others, including scientists at government agencies. Skepticism is always warranted, but skepticism is aimed at everything. Only doubting people that are political opponents isn't skepticism, it is cognitive bias.
As non-scientists, we should be looking for fact-based reporting and analysis, not opinion articles, to help us understand this and other scientific topics.
Don’t forget, this is the lefty slime who defends murder:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
Don't forget, this is the lefty slime who defends murder:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Actually, retard, that’s exactly how scientific reasoning works.
The wet market theory was always far-fetched, and the evidence to make it plausible- let alone probable- doesn’t exist.
The lab leak, however, has always been the simplest explanation, and the evidence makes it the most probable cause of covid.
God had nothing to do with it. This was Fauci's hubris.
Actually, retard, that’s exactly how scientific reasoning works.
No, it isn't. Scientific reasoning is mostly inductive reasoning. You look for and accumulate evidence regarding a proposition. If the weight of the evidence builds in support of it, while no evidence that disproves it is found, then you gain confidence that the proposition is likely to be correct.
"If A is false, then B is true" is valid logic only when A and B are the only possibilities. The wet market being how SARS-COV-2 was introduced to humans or it leaking from the Wuhan lab are not the only possibilities. Thus, disproving one does not increase the likelihood of the other being true. Each proposition will need to stand or fall on its own evidence.
The wet market theory was always far-fetched, and the evidence to make it plausible- let alone probable- doesn’t exist.
The SARS epidemic of 2003-2004 has been solidly traced as zoonotic in origin. (Meaning that it crossed from animals to humans.) Some 33% of the earliest cases of SARS were in people handling live animals or meat. And a large proportion of animal handlers in the area of that first outbreak had antibodies against it. (They had either mild or asymptomatic infections.) It is a perfectly reasonable starting hypothesis to think that SARS-COV-2 originated in animals and transferred to humans in a similar fashion.
If you have evidence to the contrary to share, feel free.
Got evidence here, steaming pile of lefty shit, right off your keyboard:
JasonT20
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Yep, you read that right. Scumbag is happy to endorse murder of unarmed people to keep prole feet off the desks of his heroes.
"No, it isn’t. Scientific reasoning is mostly inductive reasoning. You look for and accumulate evidence regarding a proposition. If the weight of the evidence builds in support of it, while no evidence that disproves it is found, then you gain confidence that the proposition is likely to be correct."
No, shitbag, it is only marginally based in inductive thinking; that then must be tested against reality.
If you have evidence to the contrary to share, feel free, asshole.
Got evidence of steaming pile of lefty shit, right off your keyboard:
JasonT20
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?…”
Yep, you read that right. Scumbag is happy to endorse murder of unarmed people to keep prole feet off the desks of his heroes.
"This isn’t how scientific reasoning works..."
Here's how lefty scumbags imagine 'scientific reasoning':
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Shoot first, maybe ask questions later.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
I wonder what the half-literate goobers who care about this think they'll gain by finding out that the virus originated here rather than there. The deep satisfaction that comes from scientific discovery?
An excuse to dehumanize Chinese people?
Confirmation of a Fauci-centric conspiracy theory so ludicrously juvenile I'm embarrassed thinking about it? Why hate Fauci again? He's Trump's scapegoat, right? Trump cannot fail to handle a pandemic well, for Trump is God, and he is perfect. Is that the upshot?
The media lies, therefore I get to believe whatever I want, the more retarded the better?
I'm gonna guess it's not the first one.
They need it to vindicate Fatass Donnie - you know, the guy who said it wasn't as bad as seasonal flu, or that it would be gone by Easter 2020, or that only a handful of cases would be found in the US, or take your Droxy/Lysol/Intemmectin, etc.
They need him to be right about something.
They need him to be right about something
What a curious take when a more accurate descriptor would be that you just can't admit that he was right about even this one thing.
Lefty shits and mirrors.
Most of that he didn't say, and your twisting what he did. You're just incapable of honesty about the orange man, huh.
Still making excuses for the mass murdering Chinese regime, I see.
I wonder what the half-literate goobers who care about this think they’ll gain by finding out that the virus originated here rather than there
Because the 'there' we were all told to believe involved accidental transmission from animals.
The 'here' we were all told not to believe involved deliberate experimentation by unethical people who fucked up and killed millions.
It's not a 'meh' difference.
It's not just that they were careless and fucked up and killed millions, which is bad enough.
It's that they were reckless and unethical, fucked up and killed millions, and then deliberately went about on a campaign of lies and disinformation to cover it up, which is just evil.
What coverup?
The one that says X is a deadly virus that was created in a lab?
The one that says X is not a deadly virus at all as it is the same as seasonal flu?
Now, you might think that chicken little here is feigning ignorance. Nope, that’s no act. The sumbitch *IS* that ignorant.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Are you for real, JFree?
Your University of CNN virology degree isn't paying dividends.
You know you're over the target when these types of grasping talking points are all that's left to raise.
Both: COVID is a deadly virus created in a Chinese lab with US funding; it is about as deadly as a serious seasonal flu.
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/newly-released-fauci-e-mails-show
A fantastic Twitter thread (sorry) detailing how Fauci and his merry gang attacked the Great Barrington Declaration and the scientists behind it.
As we now know, it was EXTREMELY important for Fauci to discredit the GBD and any other suggestion that maybe we shouldn’t shut down the world over covid.
It was deadly to a segment of the population, to the rest it was less dangerous than the flu. Your inability to do anything but parrot counterfactual arguments and deny facts says far more about you than the strawman you create to argue against. But, this has been your shtick for as long as I can recall.
Come now, we all know how this works.
Kill one person, you're a murderer.
Kill several people, you're a serial killer.
Kill enough people, you're not even a criminal anymore.
But the evidence still suggests it was a natural transmission, does it not?
But even if it originated in a lab, the only fact you've gained is perhaps a human moral agent to blame. I find blame mostly pointless. It won't bring back the millions who died, will it?
But we can talk about that once you start being correct on the facts.
"But the evidence still suggests it was a natural transmission, does it not?
Now, you might think that shitbag here is feigning ignorance. Nope, that’s no act. The sumbitch *IS* that ignorant.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
But even if
it originated in a labwe found the guy murdered you entire family, the only fact you’ve gained is perhaps a human moral agent to blame. I find blame mostly pointless. It won’t bring back themillionsyour family who died, will it?Fucking monster .
So you're saying it will bring them back?
You people aren't happy unless you have someone to put in a cage.
You heard it here folks, no need to lock up murderers.
Tony is pure evil.
But the evidence still suggests it was a natural transmission, does it not?
No, and it never did.
Just to reiterate, since you tend to be consistently fact-challenged: there was never any evidence of natural transmission. None.
It won’t bring back the millions who died, will it?
Here's an analogy: a guy is throwing axes off the roof of a 40-story building. He kills thousands before anyone figures out he is the source of the axes falling from the sky.
Is that a trivial and immaterial fact when we learn that there's actually a guy on a building throwing axes? You know, so we might, like, stop him?
It's exhausting talking to people who think they are entitled to whatever facts they choose to believe. In the age of the internet, that approach will get you nowhere but brainwashed.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/compelling-new-evidence-tracks-covids-origin-to-wuhan-market
Why do you insist it came from a wet market? If you are right will Covid go away?
lol
I insist only on a good-faith attempt to understand what the facts are.
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Sure you do. You lie like every other sociopathic leftist.
Denial =/= evidence.
This interview (not study) repeats the claim that the outbreak centered around the market and implies the market is no ways near the WIV. It mentions that the virus was found in the environs of the market implying that this supports the animal transmission theory while strategically failing to mention that no animals at the Wuhan wet market have ever been found to have been infected.
No animals anyways near Wuhan have ever been found to have been infected.
This interview also asserts that no one at the lab contracted the virus, which is a lie.
The "lab leak theory" has never been anything other than that a scientist from the lab caught it and went to the wet market, from which it spread.
This interview does nothing whatsoever to counter that theory. It simply declares it untrue and actively ignores all evidence to the contrary.
Needless to say, this is not how you science.
It's Tony, so that is exactly how he sciences.
I am not ideologically committed to the origin story of the virus. All you have to do is present a shred of evidence.
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
You are committed to whatever your party decides you will be committed. You are their faithful drone.
Yeah murder charges and wrongful death suits won’t bring back the victims, so why bother?
True democrat thinking. Unless it’s Trump, the J6 protestors, or anyone who has disagreed with the democrats.
The only evidence of natural occurrence is Fauci and his team's claim that it looked like a virus of natural evolution and not a man made "evolution."
Since Fauci and his team are highly incredible in this matter because of political biases, financial biases, and potential criminal issues, this is far from being sufficient evidence. Moreover, as shown by this article, members of Fauci's team actually thought the opposite of what Fauci is claiming. That is, until they met with Fauci and adopted the "correct" narrative.
Evidence against is that many scientists do not believe the evolutionary framework of COVID 19 is naturally occurring, it came from the same region where a lab was experimenting on coronaviruses and specifically participating and being funded to conduct gain-of-function research on those viruses. Not a single animal in the wet market was ever found to have COVID 19, nor have any animals within 200 mile of Wuhan found to have COVID 19.
The conspiracy theory right now is that the virus didn't come from the lab. That's the irony of the whole thing.
But, since you have to push the Dem narrative at all costs, I assume you won't give any mind to contrary facts and continue to parrot your strawmen, false contextualization arguments that you are so known for.
Moreover, the genetic evidence that the virus jumped species to humans is completely missing, esp since it is optimized for binding to HUMAN ACE2 receptors. Moreover, the furin cleavage site is unique to this virus, out of all SARS type coronaviruses found to date, but exists in other viruses, experienced genetic engineers believe that they have found the graft location in the genome of the virus where it was spliced in, as well as evidence of the grafting, etc. Meanwhile, still no examples of close predecessors of the virus, despite nearing three years of exhaustive searching, by the Chinese, who have the most to gain from finding the smoking gun of a predecessor virus with the unique genetic sequence.
Thanks for the great follow-up, Bruce. Very interesting.
A discussion of the most recent paper regarding graft locations...
https://twitter.com/WashburneAlex/status/1585684049502572545?s=20&t=0l18AYCANJahTlMeRhAOWw
"But the evidence still suggests it was a natural transmission, does it not?"
No. No, it does not. It never did. People like Fauci were deliberately and knowingly hiding clear and concrete evidence to the contrary. The few papers that hinted at a natural origin provided little evidence and were further misrepresented by the press.
It was a corporate cover-up, a scam, a fiddle, and everyone knew it. Including you.
"It’s not a ‘meh’ difference."
To sociopaths with an "any means necessary" philosophy, unfortunately it really is a "meh" difference.
And that is exactly the problem, and why they need to be removed from power
When the media gets it wrong, the correct explanation is whatever you imagine.
Fauci skirted the US moratorium on GoF research by outsourcing it to a Chinese lab with an abysmal safety record, which resulted in a global pandemic that killed millions of people. Then Fauci colluded with the government and every major media organization to cover up his involvement, which resulted in a global campaign of disinformation, the effects of which were catastrophic for the ENTIRE WORLD.
I know you're retarded, but do try and understand how it's important to hold him accountable for his role in killing millions and plunging the entire world into economic turmoil.
If Dr. Fauci is that powerful and nefarious, maybe we should just make him king and be thankful he's not working for our enemies.
Oh, oh. Shitbag now tries the 'it's not that bad' gambit to excuse criminal activity.
If you expect shame from shitbag, you're going to be disappointed.
Being evil does not equal to being powerful.
My goodness you’re stupid. Here’s one for you. What’s the difference between power and authority? If you can give a coherent answer without plagiarizing, my opinion of you might go from zero to one.
Being evil does not make you powerful, nor does it give you authority.
Example: tony is evil, but he is not powerful and has no authority.
Evil does give power. An evil person is not restrained by principles or morals or anything like that. That means they have more options. There are things they can do that non-evil people will not do. It's why evil always has the advantage.
You didn't answer my original question.
Annnd, that explains why you are evil. right?
Show me how much power tony has.
*whoosh*
Nah, you don’t get to do that. You’re too drunk and stupid.
C'mon Thrice Said Ted!
"I'm too angry at my shirt
so angry for my shirt
so angry it hurts!"
You did that already. It wasn’t clever the first time. You’re not only a stupid drunk, but an unoriginal one as well.
Your question shows you don't know what I'm talking about. Not worth explaining.
That’s twice you admitted your comments are worthless.
Worth is subjective. A rock to me is worthless, but to a caveman it could be the difference between life and death. I'm offering ideas and you want me to throw rocks.
"Show me how much power tony has."
Pretty much equal to his intelligence:
>-<
Non sequitur. Crawl back into your bottle you alcoholic Leftist shill.
"My goodness you’re stupid. Here’s one for you. What’s the difference between power and authority? If you can give a coherent answer without plagiarizing, my opinion of you might go from zero to one."
Asshole, you are entirely too stupid to recognize what the word means.
Now if one or two people point out that you are full of shit, they may be wrong.
When the world points out that you are full of shit, you're full of shit.
Fuck off and die; make your family proud.
If Dr. Fauci is that powerful and nefarious, maybe we should just make him king and be thankful he’s not working for our enemies.
Because he fucked up and got millions killed? This smacks of hyper-competence to you?
We will never know the true death toll, because they counted people who died with Covid along with people who died of Covid. I had it and survived, along with 99% of the people who caught it. But the narrative, the narrative...
We will never know the true death toll
No, we never will, but globally over the course of nearly three years, it's pretty safe to say it's in the millions.
No, we won't know the real death toll. But, with the progs crying for amnesty, I'm gonna go ahead and stick with their "millions" figure.
They made the rules. They can play by them.
On the flip side, they won’t ever know how many were killed by the vaccines either, and, in particular by the experimental artificial mRNA gene treatments sold as vaccines by Pfizer and Moderna.
Oh, so this is about absolving the former president of the united states for the catastrophe that happened on his watch and that he actively made worse before our very eyes.
A new strawman from shitbag.
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
And once again you purposefully re-frame the matter into false context in order to debate. Jesus, do you ever do anything honestly? As I've told you many times before, if you have to change your opponent's argument in order to win a debate, you may need to rethink your position.
"If Dr. Fauci is that powerful and nefarious, maybe we should just make him king and be thankful he’s not working for our enemies."
Given his terrible performance with AIDS and COVID --- I am not convinced he is not working for our enemies.
I think it's more a case of deep incompetence. "With friends like that, who needs enemies."
"Fauci skirted the US moratorium on GoF research by outsourcing it to a Chinese lab with an abysmal safety record, which resulted in a global pandemic that killed millions of people..."
Which further allowed tin-pot-dictator wannabes (yes, greaseball, that's you) to take control of the economies of large segments of the world and, through their idiocy, knee-cap them.
The human toll of this is staggering, when you factor in all the other deaths, poverty, starvation, economic and financial ruin, child abuse, rampant crime, educational stagnation, stunted child development, suicide, mental illness, and destroyed families that are a result of covid policy. And that's only a partial list of the global consequences.
According to Slate:
“…It would be fair to call some of them missteps—but not Nazi-level war crimes. To conflate the two, as figures on the right have done quite casually, is unhinged…”
According to worldometer, the deaths directly attributed to Covid are >6,000,000.
Fauci seemed to do his best to match Hitler, even if the aim was not strictly Jewish folks.
Added by edit; hardly seems "unhinged" to compare the two.
And while we finally have an "edit" function, it would be nice to edit in 'real text'.
"An excuse to dehumanize Chinese people?"
Why? The Chinese people didn't do this. They were victimized by Fauci's unfathomable hubris, and millions of them died too.
Fauci did this, not some random Chinese guy.
I would argue that the entire disinformation campaign was an excuse to dehumanize certain Americans.
If you question The Message ™ then you are a racist wingnut conspiracy theorist who should not be allowed into society. That sort of thing. Sounds dramatic when stated that way, but it’s sure how it felt.
I don't even think it was that complex. I think it was just Fauci's malignant self preservation attempt, and he didn't really care who ended up as collateral damage.
Dehumanizing certain Americans (mostly conservatives) was just gravy for them.
this^
Dems glommed onto Fauci as their trump-card appeal to authority, and they wanted to use this self-righteous "we are the ones who are on the side of science!" position to fulfil their authoritarian desires while making huge bank off well timed pfizer investments.
Fauci's tale is 100% self preservation. This pandemic was GOF blowing up in his face, and everything he has done since is to cover his ass. And it worked, the left still lionizes him despite the fact that he should get a war criminals send-off. And he is retiring filthy rich and famous.
They just happened to be perfect bedfellows.
I don't disagree with either of you regarding Fauci. The guy's a weasel and a consummate bureaucrat. Which I guess is redundant now that I type it out.
He was the highest paid Federal employee, period, and that was before he got the daily speaking fees for appearing on all the news programs and carefully prevaricating and gaslighting for the adoring public. That the press still runs cover for him makes me even more cynical about the state of our democracy.
I was addressing the Democrats glomming on, which is an excellent term for it Jimbo. It massively amplified the damage. The social damage, I mean. But they don't care about collateral damage. They got theirs.
Yep.
Fauci did what?
Now, you might think that shitbag here is feigning ignorance. Nope, that's no act. The sumbitch *IS* that ignorant.
Eat shit and die, asshole.
Tried to play god, failed, killed a bunch of people, lied, covered it up (with the help of the democrats and MSM)
^
Nah I don't think he did that.
Nobody cares what a lefty ignoramus 'thinks', shitbag.
I wonder what the half-literate goobers who care about this think they’ll gain by finding out that the virus originated here rather than there. The deep satisfaction that comes from scientific discovery?
This may have been the most retarded thing I've ever read... and in addition, is the most hilarious admission that everything you've ever uttered in regards to COVID was 100% wrong.
No amnesty.
Never forget.
Easy for you to say considering you've unmoored your intellect from any standard of objectivity.
"Easy for you to say considering you’ve unmoored your intellect from any standard of objectivity."
Lefty ignoramuses get a lot of use out of a mirror.
How long have you been waiting for an opportunity to use that one, and who did you steal it from?
Tony's just pissed that he won't be getting into the Miss USA contest.
I know he's a fag but I never thought of him as a twink.
Easy for you to say considering you’ve unmoored your intellect from any standard of objectivity.
Says the guy who opens by referring to his interlocutors as "half-literate goobers."
I don't care what names he flings around... he's been proven wrong, repeatedly, on everything COVID.
I don’t care what names he flings around… he’s been proven wrong, repeatedly, on everything COVID.
No doubt, I just enjoy the sweetly ironic lack of self-awareness Tony can demonstrate in only a few well-chosen syllables.
Sure, according to any number of terrible sources of information on the internet.
Who the fuck thought it was a good idea to just give the internet to people?
Like Slate, shitbag?
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
The irony from Tony is pretty astounding.
dehumanize Chinese people?
The Chinese people are the victims worst hit by the CCP's crimes. Go fuck yourself.
-jcr
He (Tony) had zero problems de-humanizing Americans who happened to be correct, from the get-go, about this whole virus thing. We were 100% correct and he can go fuck himself.
Tony
"I wonder what the half-literate goobers who care about this think they’ll gain by finding out that the virus originated here rather than there. The deep satisfaction that comes from scientific discovery?..."
Oh, oh, look! The lefty ignoramus tries the 'it's old news' gambit to defend a criminal activities!
And the lying pile of TDS-addled shit pedophile defends him!
You two assholes should find a room.
“I wonder what the half-literate goobers who care about this think they’ll gain by finding out that the virus originated here rather than there. The deep satisfaction that comes from scientific discovery?”
So a pandemic kills millions of people globally, and people seek to understand the cause so they can prevent it in the future, and your take is, “what difference at this point does it make?”
What exactly do you get out of trying to distract people from finding out the root cause of arguably the most important event of the decade? You should probably answer that question first before you go around scrutinizing the motives of people who actually care about the cause of serious problems.
So a pandemic kills millions of people globally, and people seek to understand the cause so they can prevent it in the future, and your take is, “what difference at this point does it make?”
Combined, of course, with his certainty two years ago that it was all Trump's fault.
My prediction: Now that the Gain of Function/Lab Leak theory has shot to the top of the charts as the most likely culprit (after years of Jen Psaki feverishly flagging posts, no less) you're going to see a sudden major media pivot away from "the worst plague history" to "Oh, come on, it was just the flu!/it only killed old people/you have to stratify by age here to put things in context!"
“Oh, come on, it was just the flu!/it only killed old people/you have to stratify by age here to put things in context!”
Don't forget "the numbers were really increased by the financial incentive given hospitals to overcount cases during the Trump administration."
Oh look, Tony deflecting away from a meaningful subject in order to throw around "racism!" again.
Funny how the most racist people are the people who claim the most to be fighting racism.
Holding people responsible for the deaths of millions. Make sure that this never happens again.
No, a reason to identify the Chinese leadership for the mass murdering criminals they are.
Fauci explicitly said that the risk of millions of deaths was acceptable when he decided to fund gain-of-function research. On top of that, he has made many other decisions that have resulted in deaths. The man is a dangerous, incompetent psychopath.
We need everybody to understand that so that they will be able to make more informed decisions for themselves and their families in the future.
If it originates from a lab funded by the NIH doing activities the NIH is funding, it looks bad for a few powerful people. That's why they had to silence it, why the government was pressuring Twitter and Facebook and Google to shut down all discourse of it, to keep powerful people from looking bad.
And that's the part people care about now. Not the "where" of the virus, but the government engaging in censorship to cover up its failure. We've just had the US version of Chernobyl (which, like so many American things, we outsourced), and the government is acting like the Soviet Union trying to suppress the meltdown. Federal agencies actually did pressure companies into shutting down people talking about this. It's the most gross abuse of power we've seen in quite a long time.
All I'm gonna say is in a non-clown world there would several bodies swinging from lampposts by now.
No amnesty.
Never forget.
Still mad about the fucking masks?
Aren't you worried that the Republican party is capable of making you mad about literally anything they choose?
Still defending your idiocy? Yep.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
When you've lost Slate...
The Last “Trusted Doctor”
Anthony Fauci’s credibility did not make it through the pandemic intact. Maybe that’s a good thing.
It's been really fun to watch the slow motion deconstruction of literally everything you held as indisputable scientific fact.
But I know, Tony, you were just following orders.
"...It would be fair to call some of them missteps—but not Nazi-level war crimes. To conflate the two, as figures on the right have done quite casually, is unhinged..."
1) It didn't happen.
2) It isn't that bad. <------ You are here
3) It's old news.
It was never as bad as asshole chicken littles like JFree whined about, but Fauci's "missteps' make him no piker compared to the Nazis:
World-wide deaths: 6,600,007
Search 'worldometers' - Reason won't let the link be psted.
And you were so right about everything every step of the way.
I don't think you should be allowed to speak without a basic understanding of how science works.
"I don’t think you should be allowed to speak without a basic understanding of how science works."
As if shitbag had the faintest idea.
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Here, shitbag, chew on this (courtesy of DC Libertarian Party)
https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w29928/w29928.pdf
That's how science is done by those dealing with the best data they can find and not trying to CTA's.
You lost Tony, take the L.
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This woman is the platonic ideal of the Tony-esque Branch Covidian.
Excoriated people on twitter for being unvaccinated, even laughing at their deaths.
She just died "suddenly" from cardiac arrest... shortly after contracting COVID.
The media is debunking that the vaccine caused her death, which is a classic case of them running the 100 yard dash to miss the point.
And people are saying, "No, it wasn't the vaccine you Trumpy dunderheads, COVID is known to cause heart problems! ".
So much for "effective".
The media is debunking that the vaccine caused her death
Well you've got to debunk something if you're going to apply the "debunked" label.
He’s too smug, ignorant, stupid and delusional for that. I can’t imagine him running his mouth like this I’m Oklahoma and not being beaten half to death within a very short time. I’ll bet he doesn’t say shit. Only here can he run his mouth like the raving idiot Marxist faggot he is.
Not all gays are faggots, but Tony definitely is a total faggot.
Yeah, dude. The only complaint here was that masks are uncomfortable. You really are pathetic. How long are you going to cling to the idea that the government response to covid wasn't a massive fuckup (at best)?
It obviously was a massive fuckup. I tend to focus on the deliberate and open downplaying of its seriousness by Trump and Republicans and a massive hysterical overreaction to basic hygiene measures by the same.
I mean, if you're mad about how many people died and also are mad about preventative measures, you're not really playing fair.
Shitbag lies; it’s all he ever does. Shitbag is a TDS-addled pile of shit, and a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
Shitbag lies; it’s what he does. Shitbag is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Tribalist to the end, you are.
People are mad about the way it started and the lies that were told to cover it up, you idiot. And then the destructive policies to “slow the spread” of something that never should have happened.
What is wrong with you?
And I had to go to duckduckgo to find this article, because if you google it with the exact same search terms, you get a bunch of Reuters fact checks saying “nuh uhhh”.
And, again, the issue goes beyond that. For decades, good faith in discussions about habeas corpus, bodily autonomy, oppression, slavery... all out the window at the whiff that a relatively minor number of projected lives could have their impact minimized.
"I'm not upset that you lied to me, I'm upset that from now on I can't believe you." - Nietzche
Razorfist's take.
Good ol' Razorfist. You can always count on him to bring the motherfuckin' pain.
This was most likely a fuckup, but I'll just point out that if was a deliberate action by the CCP, it would not even be the worst thing they've ever done.
They murdered upwards of 70 million people (most of them Han Chinese), they have genocidal policies in effect in Tibet and Xinjian, and they're holding a billion and a half people hostage as we speak.
CCP delenda est.
-jcr
I’ll just point out that if was a deliberate action by the CCP, it would not even be the worst thing they’ve ever done.
Yeah, but we've got to get our cheap shit made with slave labor. Cheap shit made with slave labor makes the world go 'round.
I will gladly pay more money for better shit.
Fuck the CCP, our household does not buy anything from China if we can help it. And any leftist that still does, should not be taken seriously when they speak of slavery.
Never again, never forget. There will be a reckoning, and it is beginning to gather steam.
Fauci is a liar, a traitor and most likely a criminal.
Nuremburg 2.0
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"Journalists and scientists", huh? Can you be a little more specific? At all?
You know, retards of the political variety.
it's now clear that these public officials concealed their conflicts of interest with the Wuhan Institute of Virology and minimized their own roles in providing government funding for unsupervised gain-of-function research that may have led to the pandemic
Uh, "criminally supervised" =/= "unsupervised".
I was going to say that I feel like a broken record on this, but it feels like saying that would be like a broken record.
I like the "now clear" bit. It's not "now clear." It was clear years ago, but it was deliberately shut down and made unspeakable.
Fuck them and their amnesty.
Question. Let's assume it leaked from a lab. So what? Does the right want to regulate research? Do they want to ban research? You know, meddle in free markets? I thought they opposed government regulation?
The same critics who blow a gasket any time a liberal tries to define an assault rifle seem to think bio research is clearcut. Imagine if those ignoramuses tried to go in and regulated bio research. Just dwell on that for a second. This is the same group who has no idea what CRT is but has no problem banning any mention of it or anything remotely similar to it.
This is all bad faith attention. Of course we should be critical of Fauci and the origins of the virus. But you all know that that truth is not the main motivator here. What they are doing is trying to Benghazi the pandemic.
Does the right want to regulate research? Do they want to ban research?
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We would like the government to follow the existing laws banning the research, and not farm it out to a shoddy Chinese lab.
I feel like that's a fair ask.
No. At this point, the fair ask is “Would Heraclitus prefer the lot of us beat him to death and tsk, tsk each other for beating him to death before going over to his relatives’ houses or generally observe the not-so-vague system of laws about personal responsibility, administrative and medical responsibility, bodily autonomy, violence, murder, human decency, banned research, and funding enemy-state labs established over the last couple decades to thousands of years of human civilization?”
Edit: Actually, given the circumstances, even affording him the question is more than fair. Heraclitus distinctly does not want 'fair'.
S/he's more than willing to suffer your death to avoid having to admit a mistake.
"Question. Let’s assume it leaked from a lab. So what? Does the right want to regulate research?.."
In your case, steaming pile of lefty shit, not at all. I'd suggest anyone we can find start researching the effects of the Black Plague - on you.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Further questions: Are you really this fucking stupid? Ever hear of Unit 731, you ignorant pile of lefty shit?
https://allthatsinteresting.com/unit-731
"The right," as far as I'm involved in it, wants to blast away at speech restrictions. Elon/twitter was a huge step in that. Showing that the virus was a lab leak -- previously labeled "misinformation" -- is a step in that.
Discarding any rule that "experts dictate what is acceptable discourse on social media" would be my ultimate goal from this.
Do they want to ban research? You know, meddle in free markets?
Which part of government-funded military research being carried out covertly in communist China is related to 'free markets?'
To say let’s assume it was can lead to a debate about if it is true or not. The problem was the debate was shut down on some social media by removing posts that made that assumption under the guise of disinformation.
Also:
"...What they are doing is trying to Benghazi the pandemic."
You mean tell the truth about it? Or are you still denying the hag's (and Obo's) complicity in the deaths there?
I can't speak for "the right", but I want people to stop fucking lying to me about everything and admit when they fucked up.
"Does the right want to regulate research?"
Are you aware that research is already heavily regulated? Stuff like the Tuskegee experiments kinda showed a need for that kind of thing. We're asking science to abide by the fucking law.
"Do they want to ban research? You know, meddle in free markets? I thought they opposed government regulation?"
Being PRO-Tuskegee experiments is a rather gutsy stand to take.
"he same critics who blow a gasket any time a liberal tries to define an assault rifle seem to think bio research is clearcut. Imagine if those ignoramuses tried to go in and regulated bio research. Just dwell on that for a second. This is the same group who has no idea what CRT is but has no problem banning any mention of it or anything remotely similar to it."
Weird all the uproar over banning something that never happens. Like banning people from flying under their own power too fast.
"Of course we should be critical of Fauci and the origins of the virus. "
The Left castigated people for doing this for 2 years.
Weird all the uproar over banning something that never happens. Like banning people from flying under their own power too fast.
I'm about as pro-2A as they come. If everyone within the blast radius or with a fiduciary interest within the blast radiius knows/consents to you owning a grenade, you should be able to own a grenade. If you pull the pin on the grenade and accidentally kill someone, the manufacturer of the grenade shouldn't be held liable.
Now, if your assault rifle accidentally kills 6M people, it should be banned, you should probably be shot with one that actually works, and the people that funded your research should be investigated and potentially shot with the working rifle also.
Why, it seems you might be suggesting Heraclitus is a bit less than truly forthcoming here?
Yeah, fuck him with a running, rusty chain saw; he owns what we got.
1) It didn’t happen.
2) It's not that bad. <—— You are here
3) It's actually good for you.
Lefty shits will go to any extreme to support the narrative, including accepting the death of one of *your* older relatives.
When you look at more than just the virus itself and the animals in the marketplace, and you also include the actions taken by the Lab itself, the behavior of the Chinese Government at the time it became public, the actions of Peter Daszak, the misleading statements by Fauci, The government collusion to ban all talk of it on social media, and the coverups by various US Health agencies, there is only ONE theory that explains it all.
It was an accidental lab leak from a lab in Wuhan that was doing gain of function research under contract from Ecohealth Alliance, operating on a grant funded by the US government and approved by Fauci.
That is the ONLY explanation that has surfaced that isn't completely preposterous or disproven by at least one of the facts.
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Covers all both necessary and sufficient.
To think of all those poor idiots who put ”Thank you Dr. Fauci!”signs in their yards. Yes, thank you indeed for COVID. Sad thing is that they will dismiss anything that doesn’t treat him as the messiah as disinformation. Oh, and they also delayed release of the first vaccines because they didn’t want Trump to get credit before the election. They are lying pieces of shit.
Concerning the paper mentioned by Zach near the end of the video and the text in which the chimeric virus killed at 80% . . . this fact alone is misleading. The original strain from which the chimeric virus was based killed at 100%. So no new more dangerous virus was created as the video and the text implies without the context of the full experiment. From the paper . . .
"In agreement with the results of body-weight loss and clinical score, WT and Omi-S caused mortality rates of 100% (6/6) and 80% (8/10), respectively. In contrast, all animals infected with Omicron survived (Fig. 3c). These findings indicate that the S protein is not the primary determinant of Omicron’s pathogenicity in K18-hACE2 mice."
COVID-19 started from a biowarfare attack on China (and Iran) by US agents, possibly without knowledge of the US government. See unz.com .
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Do you think the media and the medical establishment would have worked so hard to dismiss the lab leak theory if the suspected lab was in some red state, like Georgia? Florida? Texas?
Are we under some illusion that the republican party wouldn’t have been declared murderer of children worldwide? The entire state wouldn’t be demonized as the epicenter of pandemic? That any denial, even if grounded on evidence, would have been dismissed as excuses?
There are no words to describe their enormity of deception, lies and willful ignorance. Remember, these people gave an Emmy and book deals to a guy who basically ordered the death sentence of thousands of people. China’s lies killed more people of color than any active white supremacist group on earth. And yet, they reserved their moral outrage for those who questioned masking and demanded kids return to school.
No one has to explain why the left effectively exonerates China for killing protected groups they supposedly care about but make enemies of the center right who dare question their pandemic orthodoxy. It's self explanatory. About this amnesty they’re seeking – yeah, not until you ask for forgiveness.
Reviewing this pile of self-degrading remarks, I note 2 things
Most of the stupid remarks come from those with filthy mouths
Most of those getting angry seem to actually not care (!) about the virus at all
So I conclude: Since the well-spoken and decent overwhelmingly think the virus was manufactured, so do I
Not only did it leak from the lab. It leaked from the lab intentionally.
You know how to get dumb people to believe total BS? Just come right out and tell them what you want to do, like Schwab and company do, we have to reduce the world population by 80%. Let's see, how can we do that?
This is the greatest crime against humanity in history. We need a new Nuremberg style trial for these people. I'm talking Schwab, Gates, and Fauci just for starters. We can get to all of there useful idiots after hanging all of those first.
Slow week, Reason, you run out of hit pieces about DeSantis? Or you too busy running to the polls to vote for democrats?
I believe there is no debate about whether or not this virus was modified in a lab. The question is whether or not it was an accidental release. Given China's actions prior to the knowledge that Covid-19 was spreading China locked down all internal travel from Wuhan but allowed international travel out. Despite protestations from China, I believe this was the opening salvo of WWIII. The only purpose of this "research" was to create a bioweapon. In my opinion this was a field test of that bioweapon. Now we have idiot scientists at Boston University increasing the lethality.
Might be good sarc, but really stinks of abysmally stupid conspiracy whack-job.
Anthony Fauci should be tried, convicted, stripped of his position and retirement, and tossed in a hole. PERIOD.
If the virus was indeed created in a lab and that lab was in Wuhan and the virus was leaked from there, why would Americans lie about it? The short answer is they wouldn't. That early infections coincided with the World Military Games in Wuhan may be a clue.
"If the virus was indeed created in a lab and that lab was in Wuhan and the virus was leaked from there, why would Americans lie about it? The short answer is they wouldn’t..."
Might be good sarc, but really stinks of abysmally stupid conspiracy whack-job.
You don’t like that deception and information suppression?
Then vote straight ticket GOP, because the suppression of private voices is coming entirely from the Left.
Won't do it?
Then you’re not serious about opposing the censorship
It was crackpot. It hasn't gotten any better, either. There's still zero evidence to support "lab leak," yet for some inexplicable reason we're all supposed to act now like the evidence is moving in that direction. It isn't.
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