N.Y. Can't Teach Kids To Read on $30,000 a Year
Inflation-adjusted revenue per student in public schools is up 68 percent in the Empire State—and 24 percent nationally—over the past two decades. Time for School Choice.
HD DownloadOne of the perennial defenses of mediocre public K-12 schools is that they just don't have enough money to work with. Liberal groups like The Center for American Progress routinely put out videos like this one denouncing the "underfunding of K-12 schools" that call for more and more money to be spent.
I don't know about you, but when I hear the phrase the underfunding of schools, my head explodes. Not because I dislike kids or public schools; my two sons exclusively attended public schools. What gets my goat is the demonstrably false idea that schools are being starved for resources. Tax revenue per student in public K-12 schools is up 24 percent nationally over the past two decades, and that takes inflation into account.
In New York, where I live, real per-pupil revenue has increased by a mind-boggling 68 percent between 2002 and 2019. Public schools in the Empire State are now shelling out more than $30,000 per kid. That's more than double the national average, and it doesn't even include the $16 billion extra that New York's system got in combined federal and state COVID-19 relief funding.
Yet New York's public schools are still as terrible as the Mets, the Jets, and the Giants, with only a third or fewer of students up to grade level in eighth grade reading and math, according to their scores on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), widely considered the gold standard for judging school outcomes. Those scores aren't much different than they were 20 years ago.
In fact, $30,000 a year puts the lie to the argument pushed by unions and progressives that more money will fix schools. More money hasn't helped the rest of the country boost their scores either. According to NAEP, whatever minor improvements in reading and math that were made for students ages 9 and 13 since the early 1970s have flattened since the early 2000s. We're paying more for the same results.
None of this is a mystery. The connection between bigger spending and good outcomes is weak at best, whether we're talking about comparisons among U.S. states or international ones.
Certainly the new money for New York hasn't gone to fundamentally reform what gets taught, or how, or under what circumstances. According to a report on spending trends in the 21st century by my colleagues at the Reason Foundation (which publishes this website), overall teacher compensation is way up in New York, especially when it comes to benefits like health insurance and pensions, which have grown by 147 percent. Nationwide, a dozen states increased spending on benefits for teachers by over 100 percent and only three states kept the increase below 10 percent. Costs for things like administration, support staff, and transportation are up another 24 percent. Just to reiterate: All these figures are adjusted for inflation.
Dumping more money into a broken system is like trying to fix a leaky pipe by pouring more water into it. What needs to happen is a revolution in how education is conceived and delivered. Over the past 20 years, New York has allowed publicly funded charter schools to operate, which is a good thing because it allows for experimentation while insisting on accountability. Unlike conventional public schools that get students (and funding) assigned to them based on their addresses, charters must attract and keep students in order to stay in business. They start with zero dollars to spend. The best charters have massive wait lists even though they get less money per student than traditional public schools. Charters in New York City, for instance, get about 20 percent fewer dollars per kid than typical public schools.
But instead of expanding the number of charters, New York, like most states, caps it. According to the state's official data, there are just 359 charters compared to 4,411 public schools. Worse, New York doesn't allow education savings accounts (ESAs), tax-credit scholarships, and vouchers that would allow more families to escape traditional public schools and pick where their kids go to learn.
Increasing the amount and variety of school choice, though, is exactly what New York and the country need to be doing (kudos to the 18 states that have started or expanded choice programs). We're not going to seriously improve educational outcomes for our kids if we don't fundamentally change how we educate them.
When you look back 20 years, virtually every other service in our lives—from coffee drinks to media to medicine—has gone through multiple revolutions in terms of what's available and the quality of what's being offered. Everything becomes more geared toward the individual, more responsive, and usually not just cheaper in real terms, but better too. This is obviously true when it comes to things like food and consumer electronics but it's also true of big-ticket items like cars, which cost the same as they did 20 years ago in inflation-adjusted dollars (but are massively superior today). Overall, medical costs are up, but think about how much better the variety and quality is.
Public K-12 education is among the very few things that is still basically the same as it was when today's parents and grandparents were in school. The only difference is the price tag, which just keeps going up and up.
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How fucking stupid do you have to be to think racism is worse now than it was in the past.
Someone tell that twat to turn its television off.
Heh. Not only are the gubmint schools failing our children in regards to basic skills, but if you're right about how fascist and racist the country is becoming, they can't even teach their precious "diversity" and "equity" correctly. They've been teaching it for years.
look a Troll. One of the old Troll user named.
Care to provide an explanation of your claim, backed up by evidence? Don't make up nonsense.
that assholes never made a real comment since 2010. Its a Troll from Disqus
Its always politically blind ' no it isnt / R is bad'
America's trend toward white supremacy and fascism
I know how desperately you lefturds want that to be true, but wishing doesn't make it so. The overwhelming majority of racists today are your fellow lefturds.
-jcr
Wait NY is run by White Supremacy who knew?
How did I miss this?
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Time to party like a prime minister.
Ya, well he is out of his job very soon.
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It is very simple. Get vaccinated, isolate, and shut your mouth.
This pandemic would have been over in one or two months if people had just properly isolated.
The Revolution would have delivered equality to all the proletariat if not for those dirty wreckers.
"This pandemic would have been over in one or two months if people had just properly isolated."
"Lalalala in magical fairy land, people can just stay inside for two months and not go out to stores or the doctors or anything."
Yeah, I guess technically the pandemic would have been over in two months because every house would be full of starved and dessicated corpses.
You are a clown.
Obviously a clown who has never done a real job. Anyone who has ever done actual useful work understands that the whole world can't just take two months off.
Leftist Dipshit: "Well as long as the Doordash guy brings my latte and soy salad, I can stay home for 2 months."
Grown Man: "What about the restaurant that prepared your salad?"
Leftist Dipshit: "Oh, they have to get to work too, I guess"
Grown Man: "And the gas station the Doordash guy fills his tank at?"
Leftist Dipshit: "Oh, yeah I guess them too"
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Leftist Dipshit: (failing to understand that every job is essential or nobody would PAY you to do it) "Well not everyone can stay home 2 months but MOST of us could!"
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They don't need to read to vote democratic.
The purpose of public education is to fund democratic politicians via teacher union contributions.
Any benefit for the kids is purely coincidental.
Thus is a crisis of the radical Left discovering that everything the Radical Left does is a disaster.
Its self awareness arising.
And Fuck Joe Biden is a shining example of an incompetent failure.
I don't think they ever discover it's a disaster. Is there any disaster they haven't doubled down on? Having gone through the denial and "kill the misinformation about us" phases, they move on to the blame others phase, and finally to the "we just didn't do it big enough" phase.
theyre face down in disaster now, thats why Bidets rating is low 30s.
Obama care bit them and Da Gummits cost them the jobs a few of them had and their freedom under the Plan Demic.
I thought it was outrageous at $12k. I can't even contemplate this.
"I was outraged".
Of course you are. Keeping you outraged is how KKKonservatives keep you under their control.
says the DNC parrot...
Care to provide an explanation of your claim, backed up by evidence? Don't make up nonsense.
Why are the grades in Blue cities the lowest. You are a racist, since you don't want black child to read. Can't keep them voting democrat then right?
Is this SPB or SQRTSY? I have so few people muted...
I generally only mute bots. I think that dbruce guy is the only other one I have ever muted, but this one was muted too...
Oh it reads like AmSoc to be honest.
Yeah, and he’s a lying shitweasel too.
What is hilarious is that I hear ALL THE TIME from lefties who insist that because the US spends SOOOO much for health care, and gets worse results than other OECD countries, we need to move to publicly funded health care.
When I flip the table on them and say this must mean public education is equally flawed, for some reason they always shift to explanations of why $20,000 in New York is not the same as $10,000 in Alabama and anyways, its blah blah blah.
a third or fewer of students up to grade level in eighth grade reading and math, according to their scores on the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), widely considered the gold standard for judging school outcomes.
Obviously the solution is to change that standard, which is probably racist.
When I went to private high school in St. Louis (mid-to-late '90's) our school used to boast that our tuition ($4k/yr at the time) was half what the local public schools spent per student. And they paid their teachers more. And we performed about 25% better academically.
How? Well, the entire non-teaching staff of our school consisted of:
- the principal
- 3 or 4 secretaries
- 3 janitors
- 1 librarian
- 4 cafeteria workers
- 1 guidance counselor
The vice principal taught classes. All the sports coaches were teachers. The board consisted entirely of volunteers, and were all either parents of current or former students, or alumni themselves. This was a decent-sized school, too - about 700 students.
$30k is more than my entire student loan bill when I graduated college with a 5-year degree.
my little bro was @De Smet.
Jesuits are kinda odd in my view but they know how to run a school, I'll give them that.
De Smet is a well regarded school in our area for both academics and sports, but a little light on the dating scene. (bit of a sausage party)
Yeah, I was at my kid's high school last week picking up COVID tests, and the "office" is an entire building. When I was in HS, the "Office" was a small room in a corner of the building with 3 offices, a medical room with a cot, and three or four desks for administrators.
But at this school, the "office" was called "Administration" and you could tell that it was once a bunch of classrooms when the school was first built. Now it is not much different from any small firm that you might go to, with a receptionist at the front, a small sea of cubicles in the center of the floor and then a dozen or more offices surrounding them along the exterior of the building.
Administration has really gotten out of control with this shit.
Our office was across the hall from the cafeteria and was basically:
1 room with 4 cubicles for admin, and a copy machine, ~350 SF
1 principal's office ~150 SF
1 vice principal's office ~100 SF
1 guidance counselor / nurse office (same lady) ~100 SF
It was smaller than my first apartment after college.
same with doctors offices.
12 now instead of three.
I recall the family Doc- he, his wife as nurse/ receptionist and one other assistant.
The modern excuse is blaming insurance processing.
Somehow going from paper to computer requires 8 more people.
I read somewhere that nearly half of all graduates from colleges of education today aren't for actual teaching certificates but are in education administration. That is all you really need to know to figure out where the money has gone. And schools are now hiring these administration majors, many of who go on for post graduate degrees, to be principals and superintendents. They've never actually ever taught in a classroom and now they are in charge?
The HS I graduated from has inch thick marble countertops in the boys bathroom. 15 foot ceilings.
Taj Mahal luxury. The Mariott wasnt as nice.
They had three women at a reception desk.
I think there were 6-12 in the office where I went for a transcript copy
It was a single story concrete block and brick building when I escaped it.
Excess and waste.
The local government just spent $93 million to build one new high school 8n the area. I’m sure that budget is choked with excess, waste and graft.
So a middle or high school classroom is supported by $900,000. Not only are they so incompetent they can't make this work their only answer to their failure is "must have moar!".
I will teach ANY kid to read for $30,000. Results guaranteed.
"I will teach ANY kid to read for $30,000. Results guaranteed."
You need to teach 40 of them at the same time while they are chatting on their cell phones.
. . . for $1.2 million
Imagine the alternative education systems you could make with $30k per pupil. You could hire a minimum wage worker to follow the child around the entire day, personally tutoring and instructing them, keeping them on task, etc, and you'd still have enough left over to hire a teacher for every 4-6 students.
You could run a tricked-out Montessori Academy for a lot less.
The gymnasium would be top notch.
I bet the chemistry and physics labs would be better equipped than what I had in college.
I mean, at ~$1 million annually per classroom full of kids, and the teacher making somewhere between $50k and $100k depending on tenure and area of expertise, where's that other $900k+ going?
It's paying their Diversity and Inclusion Officers and their Trans Gender Counselors.
Nope. The $30,000 is the PER PUPIL expenditure. To teach 40, I'll need $1.2 million.
Very telling that you can't conceive of a classroom with a teacher capable of maintaining discipline. How sad.
-jcr
Pretty sure Mom did it with a library card.
Your implication that your mother’s hands on teaching is better than treating a child is a standardized Rote widget, to be molded and stamped out ( while attempting to cut out all the features of western civilization, so as Produce little “Noble” savages) Is more effective at making productive human beings? I’m shocked.
In other news, most children preferred actual parents to being raised by Victorian orphanages. You get better people by treating children like people, Instead of a commodity, why is that so hard? Especially for kinder, gentler, more compassionate, liberals.
Why does a kinder, gentler, more compassionate, liberal in power always turn into nurse Ratched from one flew over the cuckoo's nest, or The Captain From cool hand Luke.
too many of them need a book upside their head, not in front of their eyes.
Nothing will work well without competition. This seems like the best time in years to truly reform K-12.
We should simply create an educational endowment for each K-12 student. Student endowment funds would pay out for students who achieved grade level knowledge.
Providers for students who did poorly would not be paid, leaving twice the annual amount available next year to educators who could catch them up. Seriously underperforming students would accrue several years of catch-up funding, providing extra incentive for the type of personalized attention that would benefit them.
All students would become customers for educational services and be treated accordingly.
Opening educational services to the free market will allow for practical job related instruction, and college level courses, to be included as providers fight for market share.
Competition among educational providers will make full use of technology, will provide useful training for actual jobs, and will deliver far more education for the same money. Gamification will keep students involved in ways that existing K-12 material can't touch.
Instead of leaving dropouts to fend for themselves, the funds would remain on deposit indefinitely, allowing those who got their act together after some time in the adult world to get an education.
Troubled students would have teachers and mentors who had a financial stake in the outcome.
The dramatic difference in quality based on differences in community income levels would end.
Modeling the idea will show that existing school structures and transportation fleets will be used, possibly more than with charter schools.
Providers will be renting space and transportation for their offerings in most cases from existing school districts.
Home schooling pods will explode, but those kids will still participate on local sports teams, and transportation to practice (and back) will also be rented from existing fleets by their parents.
Let's move to a free market. Unleash technology but pay only for results.
"Let's move to a free market." -
That is what had destroyed America in the first place.
More poison isn't going to bring back your failed state.
"...That is what had destroyed America in the first place.
More poison isn't going to bring back your failed state."
No idea who this steaming pile of lefty shit is, but like many of them, s/he seems perfectly capable of looking history right in the eye. And blinking.
What happened in 1989? Why, yes, that horrible, murderous experiment in human suffering called the USSR imploded.
And which states are those which require walls, fences and guns to keep their populations in? Why, yes, every commie disaster in the world; every single one.
And yet we get the repeat of the outright lie that the US is a 'failed state'.
It takes STUPID in a very large helping to peddle that bullshit..
It wasn’t true communism! This time we’ll get it right, we just need just less choice, less human rights, more mindless obedience! and it will turn out great this time, we promise!
Come on Charlie brown kick that football!
The free market wrecked Venezuelan. The US is so failed that people come over illegally. I mean the world doesn't use our dollars for storage of value or trade. The US is just so horrible!
North Korea, China, Iran, those are successful!
Jeff and Tony at least can have points. Ven is a new type of stupid.
Oh, and BTW, asshole *bing*
That is what had destroyed America in the first place.
That may be the stupidest thing ever said in Reason.com's comment section, and you have very stiff competition.
The free market is what made America the world's leading economy. Its decline is entirely due to the usurpations of the apparatchik class.
-jcr
Stupidest thing so far...give him time.
Free market s built this country and garbage like you is destroying it.
Thats called a Welfare scheme.
.Fail.
Its just rearranging the Deck Chairs without solving the problem.
American schools are basically day care centers for children and young adults.
With both parents in the workforce - a direct result of Capitalism - there is no longer any time for parents to involve themselves in the lives of their children.
Money is more important.
With the average U.S. wage of $30,000 a year due to Corporations taking an ever greater fraction of the GDP pie, and workers getting ever less, it is obvious that Capitalism has destroyed the American family and the American culture has collapsed as a result.
You fail to grasp the problem. They are spending more and more money and getting the same or worse results.
Why do charter schools do better for less, even when their students are admitted by lottery and exist in racial minority areas? Doesn't that PROVE, even to a dedicated anti-capitalist, that less money CAN result in better education? If it CAN, then why do regular schools perform WORSE for MORE money?
Look at other capitalist countries like Japan, who have excellent schools that actually educate their students. Look at the many countries in Europe who fund the child, not the schools, and let the parents choose which schools to send their kids to and fund, based on that school's performance.
No matter how socialist/capitalist their governments are, they are getting better performance at lower cost in their schools than in American schools because schools have to COMPETE for students.
The US is in decline in many areas. You make excuses for declining and costlier education, but it is YOUR side's fault.
I spent a year studying abroad in Denmark during my college years. They have excellent public schools. And even though they are state-funded, most of that excellence, as far as I could tell, was because the schools had to compete for the students, but also, the students had to compete for the schools.
The parents don't necessarily get to choose whichever school they like to send their children to, in most cases. Even at the high school level, each individual school is specialized. The best performing schools get to selectively admit their preferred incoming students.
My host brother was 15 when I was over there and he was working his butt off to get the marks he needed to qualify for the high school he wanted to attend (because they specialized in math and had a great sailing program) - but even qualifying marks aren't a guarantee. He was thrilled when he got accepted - the whole family was - we had a big party.
College over there is similar in that while it's also state funded, it's not guaranteed. Students who graduate high school don't necessarily get to go to the college of their choice or the degree program of their choice. Heck, many don't qualify at all and get sent off to a trade school instead, or the Navy.
In my county it is similar. Beginning in 5th grade, parents start planning the path to get to the best high school for their kid.
You have to apply to the middle school magnet program that feeds into that high school. Your standardized test grades need to meet a minimum. Your grades need to meet a minimum. You have to take the right curriculum.
Then you qualify for the school. But they always have more applicants than room. So you go through a lottery.
It is nerve racking.
And you only get one shot. If you apply to the top school and don't get in, you revert to your zoned school. All the other magnet schools will be full.
Actually, the pressure starts in 4th grade, because your 5th grade test scores are not ready in time. So at the end of the year in 4th grade, you are taking standardized tests that will determine your academic fate forever.
The top magnet high school has a rediculously high acceptance rate to the kids college of choice. The gap between that environment and an environment where maybe a quarter are thinking of college is vast.
now that Bidet has people living in their cars, its easy to move among school districts.
So they did not do mass education in back in Soviet Russia, in China or all your favorite communist/socialist Community that have not fallen as low as Venezuela? Or are you, perhaps a just a tad, disingenuous?
Americans work less hours per week than they did in the 1950s on average, more vacation time, have greater buying power and a higher standard of living, yet schools have steadily decreased.
You’re a malignant Marxist. Everyone like you should be found guilty of treason and executed.
Test hard and give cash according to scoring on Standardize testing.
Get 90%+ $500/Month
Get 80%+ $400/Month
Get 70%+ $300/Month
Make the tests decently hard, no curving teh grade, dropping standards...Your score is your score.
At that age they'll cut throats for the cash.
"At that age they'll cut throats for the cash."
Students or parents?
Back when I was a school kid in Brooklyn, N.Y., a long time ago, the public schools that I attended taught me to read, write too as well as a few other things of interest. Of course, I benefited from a home environment where education was valued and appreciated. What the hell might it be that has unfortunately happened might, sad to note, be an all to appropriate question.
Bingo. Turns out the ghetto rats give zero fucks about the baby rats they squeeze out.
Actually you can pretty much tell how the child will do in NY...ESPECIALLY in NYC by race.
Of course there's one group that will overrepresent the worst of the worst, no matter how much you lower standards, curve the grades, refuse to flunk them, not allow them to be suspended or expelled no matter what they do.
They pretty much waste all the resources and take time away from those wanting to learn.
Of course I am talking about the Amish.
I went to high school in the midwest (Iowa). One of the better public schools. I hung around the nerds and we competed at everything. Who got the better score on the latest exams? Who got the most extra credit? Carried on through college, competing with my classmates. It wasn't until after I caught a girlfriend, I did not back off studying. Still, the hard work and pressure I put on myself eventually paid off. Delayed gratification was essential.
I have been told that on the East coast, any high school graduate from the Midwest could slot into any starting office job as the education was vastly superior to East coast applicants. That was 20 years ago.
Now that my kids have graduated from high school, I realize that the school they attended was significantly lower in standards (Though still in the Midwest and probably the best rated in our county). I was only able to meet with a teacher once during parent teacher night - Waiting lines were so long that you had to pick one class to talk as the wait would be longer than the total allowed time.
$30,000 a student, with 20 students in a classroom, makes $600,000 per room. Assuming 1 in 10 students are special needs, and that those needs cost $100k in aides or therapists, we are left with $400,000 per classroom. If NYC splurged and hired 2 full-time, fully-qualified teachers at $150,000 per year, that still leaves $100,000 for other expenses. That's with no rent to pay on the buildings or property taxes. Money is not the problem.
$390,000 per student for K-12. That is an expensive education.
N.Y. Can't Teach Kids To Read.
FTFY. The original headline could be read by some idiot to imply there's a money problem and that $30k per kid isn't enough. That is not the issue.
It's not just the money. They've got these kids for twelve fucking years. Schools used to teach kids the basics in less than twelve years, without computers or the internet or Zoom.
There's no way it should take years to teach a normal kid to read.
I don't know about the entire country, but here in Florida the education system pushes the kids a lot harder than they did when I was a kid.
They also do a better job of meeting The needs of kids with different abilities. When I was a kid, everyone had to move at the pace of average. So if you were smarter than average you were bored out of your gourd. And if you were dumber than average you either got left behind or faked it as they passed you along.
Now a typical elementary school class will be cut up into groups of similar ability, by subject matter. So they will have 5 or 6 reading groups, 5 or 6 math groups, etc. The groups share assignments and move together, but at different paces from each other.
They also have real programs for gifted students and for special needs students.
The schools my kids go to have a path through middle school and high school That puts kids on a path to graduate high school with their high school diploma and a two-year associate's degree. So half of college is already done.
When I was a kid, we had some classes for the advanced kids, but We relied on teachers going above and beyond to help out the group that didn't fit in with the advanced kids. And basically all she did was hand us the textbook and say we could go as fast as we wanted. That didn't really work for me, not in math any way.
Meanwhile, my daughter is in the advanced track mathematics such that she will be taking 3 years of college math when she gets to high school. But there are a few kids who can do even more. So they are fast tracking those kids on the fast track. And they get to do additional fun stuff to stay inspired, like engineering projects and field trips.
Florida diverged from the national narrative two decades ago when Jeb Bush changed the way they measure their schools. There are still issues to be worked out. There is still too much teaching to the test. But the modern classroom is vastly different than it was 20 years ago. From an early age, they actually do try to customize the education to the individual student.
used to teach them MORE in EIGHT years.
back in the Mc Guffey Reader days.
No.3 million dollar computer systems or sports fields.
We covered another reason that states just throw money at schools here at Reason a couple of years ago. Those school rankings like US News and world report have one factor that counts more than any other. How much money are you spending ?
If I recall correctly, that counts for 40% of a school system score. Not even adjusted for regional cost differences. So an expensive state like New York can stay near the top of the rankings even if their schools are vastly under performing.
The teacher's unions pushed these ranking agencies into including teacher pay as the primary measure of school success nearly half a century ago. It has not improved education outcomes, but it has helped to entrench both the unions and the northeastern megalopolis as being better than they really are.
if its solely a dollar- per metric, then on a financial basis, I get it.
Thats mostly standard business analysis.
That ignores the failure to study that per output.
Theres no real economically measurable output from a school. They produce nothing.
At that, whatever happened to that militant woman that went in ' teeth first' into a school and ripped it to shreds on a performance basis?
Thats what happens in the corporate world. Compete, improve or die.
This is the article. Thread fail below.
https://reason.com/2018/10/07/everything-you-know-about-stat/
https://reason.com/2018/10/07/everything-you-know-about-stat/
Take out the tech and sports.
And non- paying Illegal Aliens.
FIFY.
30K is college tuition. Or was not so long ago.
There was a Pubic school in Pasco WA with a class where not ONE student spoke English.
Said the teacher. Those were migrant waifs. Guess the rest.
This is like every other Democrat " money for votes" scam.
When the money runs out. the collapse gets ugly.
This system has created poorly educated parents and parents are really the educators.
Learning happens at home, not school. School presents and explains the material.
flagged my own comment.
This comment SW sucks!
It's not only that stuff became more available (I do dispute that quality has increased), or more individually tailored, it's that everything became convenient, and progressively devalued of the worth effort imbued.
Education is just as pandering to mediocrity.
"Public K-12 education is among the very few things that is still basically the same as it was when today's parents and grandparents were in school."
No no no. The problem with public education is that it ISN'T the same as in the past. I went to school in the 1960s, and my classrooms were not without flaws, but most of the kids learned to read and write. Then, when the 'reforms' started kicking in during the 1970s, SAT scores started going down. The reforms piled on top of reforms that have been going on for generations now are the problem. I'm 'grandfather' age, and many kids today would benefit from being sent back in time to my classrooms.
Regarding New York: For years, black students have scored at least three years worse than white on achievement tests by graduation. If NY has proportionally more black students than the national average, that's going to pull down results for the state.
I don't know what is happening in New York, but we don't have an illiteracy problem here. Nobody can get "passed along" like the tropes from the 70s and 80s. Even with massive immigrant populations, "why can't Johnny read?" Is not a thing in my area.
We even have universal access to college scholarships if you keep your grades up. No minority status, including family income is an impediment.
Mom and dad (or lack thereof) might be a problem. But opportunity isn't.
with no future, why should they care?
They arent getting Ibama- Obiden Shovel Ready jobs.
Theyre getting the Shaft, not the Centrally Planned Unicorn farm.
Almost any kid can learn to read. When I was youg, in my school of abour 1000 here was only one boy that could not read well that I remember. If a kid can't read it's because he is not being taught. I spent 20 years teaching in Asia and never net a kid that could not read. Our issues are societal. I made a website to suggest a new system at: http://www.emptyjacket.com so ... give me a school ????
bullshit liberal arts. Thats the CAUSE of the problem
You propose more of the problem.
Perhaps it's just that I'm from a different era, but my parents taught my siblings and I how to read and write and our schools helped to reinforce and further develop those skills.
Why are we no longer expecting parents to be accountable for being the most-important component of their kid(s) education?
We don't teach to learn anymore. We don't measure educational success by a senior being ready to enter the job market and adult life. Instead we teach to send everyone to University for a bachelor's degree. Guidance counselors are constantly pushing kids to go to University.
We measure success by how many graduates are enrolled in a 4 year university (which will actually take 5-6 years on average now to graduate, rather than 4).
I have read and heard numerous stories on vocational industries asking to participate in career days, and guidance counselors refusing because their job is to get them (the kids) into a University. These often are high paying apprenticeship programs that offer a real marketable skill that averages solidly middle to upper middle class salaries once you achieve journeyman status. We have a severe shortage of economically needed blue collar positions such as industrial welders, plumbers, truck drivers (this one is a big reason for some of the current supply shortages), electricians, machinists, mechanics, lineman etc. All of these are vital to out economy (much more than another human resource officer or diversity officer or educational administrator). And there starting salaries after their apprenticeship (or graduating from a technical school) is usually comparable (if not in many cases higher) than most bachelor degrees (with far less student debt).
Take North Idaho College, which when I graduated (in 1995) was a two track 2 year college. The first track was for students who wanted to get most of their non-core requirements for a bachelor's from a cheaper alternative. The second track was for vocational training and nursing. Today they have basically turned into another four year university, and have eliminated or greatly downsized the size of their vocational programming. But look at the needs in North Idaho and you will see that those vocational programs they once offered are still greatly needed. Far more than a BA in Gender Studies.
And a Journeymen electrician or plumber making $90,000-100,000/year is going to live a very comfortable fucking life in North Idaho.
Additionally, you know how the German and Scandinavian systems are able to afford free University?
First: the education is bare minimum. No student activity centers, no dorms, no sports teams, etc. You take only the classes you need for your degree and you don't change degrees halfway through.
Second: they promote vocational education and apprenticeships as desirable alternatives to University.
Third: they start early in high school (or even middle school) placing you on a tract for either vocational/apprenticeship or university and you are basically stuck in that tract.
Fourth: they only allow around 10-20% of high school graduates to go to University (compared to around 50% in the US). If you don't get into the University (which is often assigned to you based upon your location, it's rare to go out of State) you're shit out of luck (and most who don't and still want a four year degree end up going to University in the US, Canada or the UK because that's the only option).
Fifth: the opportunity for graduate level is even more restrictive.
Sixth: far less research is conducted at these Universities than in the US.
Seventh: professors are expected to teach multiple courses each semester, don't hold regular office hour or study sessions.
So free college isn't really free.
Democrats have failed America again. Public education is an abject failure in communities run by progressives.
I don't disagree with school choice, but before we start issuing vouchers, we really need to set limits on the government's ability to dictate school curricula. Else, schools will just be transformed into a privately run arm of the government.
they are now! They pretend to be public.
If you really want to know what the problem is simply go to the principal and make an appointment and request permission to sit in a the back of the classroom for 1 week. By day 2 you'll begin to understand that it's nearly impossible to teach anything.
You really think a public school is going to allow that?
Maybe if they got $90,000 a year per kid the kids could read. The solution is always throwing more money at the problem! (sarc)
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Agreed. Just read an article that one of this wonderful teaches say that students can take quizzes and tests as many times as they want to pass. If you need 12 tries, go for it. Doesn't matter if you turn in assignments.