Republican Convention 2020

Can the Republican Party Survive Trump?

A political party can be destroyed by warring factions after it nominates a celebrity candidate and loses its coherence. That’s what happened…after 1848, when the Whigs backed Zachary Taylor.

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Donald Trump, who four short years ago was viewed by many GOP operatives as an erratic outsider, has just been re-nominated as the Republican Party's standard-bearer. But whether he wins or loses, can a party without any guiding principles survive?

How do old political parties die, and how are new ones born?

Imagine a political party that has lost its ideological coherence and is torn apart by various warring factions. Then an outsider and celebrity candidate emerges with no fealty to the party's policy agenda and with no previous political experience. He goes on to connect with voters and retake the White House.

That's exactly what happened in 1848, when the Whigs backed Zachary Taylor.

Political scientist Philip Wallach, a resident senior fellow at the R Street Institute, published a 2017 paper on the parallels between Taylor and Trump.

"Taylor was a very disruptive force for the Whig Party," says Wallach. "His victory was, of course, something they were very excited about, but he didn't govern in exactly the ways they would have preferred."

While Trump raised his profile by projecting a bellicose demeanor on primetime television, Taylor was a celebrated general who won a key battle in the Mexican-American War. And like Trump, he tried to redefine his party in his own image and refused to pledge fealty to party principles.

Taylor "even thought about rebranding [Whiggism] as 'Taylor Republicanism,'" says Wallach.

But Taylor's efforts at redefining Whig principles were doomed by a preexisting divide over whether slavery would be allowed in new territories. Both the Whigs and their primary competitors, the Democrats, waffled, which created an opening for single-issue third-parties such as the anti-slavery Liberty Party and Free Soil Party, as well as the nativist Know-Nothing Party.

After Taylor's untimely death in office, the fractured Whig Party "bled to death," as historian Michael Holt put it, losing too many voters to the Free Soil and Know-Nothing parties. And out of that carnage rose the Republican Party, united by the conviction that slavery should have no part in America's future.

What does the death of the Whigs tell us about the prospect of breaking up our modern two-party duopoly?

"In 2020, we have two parties that have delivered us candidates, both of which are more destructive than they are constructive," says evolutionary biologist and podcast host Bret Weinstein, who is trying to engineer the candidacy of an independent to go up against Biden and Trump.

Weinstein sees a parallel with the mid-19th century in that voters are again open to alternatives.

"This is, in some sense, the natural outgrowth of the fact that the parties long ago stopped serving the interests of the American public," says Weinstein.

Weinstein, who's best known for his viral confrontation with student protesters at The Evergreen State College after he objected to a call for all white people to leave campus for a day, believes that the two major parties are in thrall to far-left and far-right fringes and elite donors, causing them to neglect a majority of Americans.

"For many reasons, the natural thing is for Americans to unify under some banner in order to regain power over the policymaking structure," says Weinstein.

Weinstein launched an initiative called Unity 2020, which intends to use online crowdsourcing to nominate a center-left and center-right candidate to run and govern as a team. He says by circumventing the usual political process, candidates will avoid being so easily corrupted.

"We have all been told that power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely," says Weinstein. "I have long thought this is nonsense. What we do have is a system in which power tends to be awarded to people on the basis that they are corruptible."

But in the 19th century, there were fewer obstacles to challenging the major parties.

"For a third party to be able to get some votes was much easier," says Wallach. "It just had to be able to print ballots and distribute them to a network of supporters….Nineteenth-century politics were just much more open and fluid than our politics today."

With the election less than two and a half months away, whoever's nominated by the Unity 2020 ticket is unlikely to make it on many ballots, and Weinstein declined to articulate a plausible path to victory.

"We are certainly too late with respect to the standard process of collecting signatures to get on the ballots of all 50 states, but that's not the only way this can be accomplished," says Weinstein.

The Libertarian Party's presidential nominee, Jo Jorgensen, is on track to getting on the ballot in all 50 states, and she says she offers a better path forward than either Trump or Biden.

"People are realizing that they don't have the choices that they used to have. And I think they're getting fed up with government telling them at every turn what they can do," says Jorgensen.

But Wallach is skeptical that a third party can disrupt our modern duopoly.

In the 19th century, minor parties like the Free Soilers won local and state elections and congressional seats, which the Libertarian Party has mostly failed to achieve. In 2016, after getting more attention than any Libertarian candidate in history, former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson won just over 3 percent of the popular vote when going up against Trump and Clinton, two historically unpopular candidates.

A third party or independent candidate has never triumphed in a modern presidential election, with the strongest contender being former President Teddy Roosevelt's 1912 campaign under the Progressive Party banner. The self-funded billionaire Ross Perot's run in 1992 eventually spun off the Reform Party, which never won a national election but did become the site of Donald Trump's first foray into presidential politics.

"That leaves us wondering, where would [a successful] a third party come from?" says Wallach.

He believes that, based on the death of the Whigs, to be successful the Libertarian Party would need to win in statewide races and then merge with defectors from a collapsed Democratic or Republican Party.

But Weinstein is betting that digital media have opened new channels for a Unity ticket to bypass traditional gatekeepers, as outsider candidate Andrew Yang did in the Democratic primary.

"Andrew Yang would potentially not have gained our attention had it not been for this alternative media network," says Weinstein. "He certainly rose spectacularly in the public imagination at the point he showed up on Joe Rogan's

….There is something of similar or greater magnitude to the major networks that are operating under a different set of rules."

And while there's no single issue dividing the nation that's on par with slavery in the time of the Whigs, Weinstein does see historical parallels.

"We are dealing with the very same issue in a different form in 2020. The thing that caused the civil war is simply not fully resolved," says Weinstein.

While Weinstein is supportive of some aims of the Black Lives Matter movement, he believes its emphasis on racial identity foments dangerous divisions—for different reasons, but in similar ways, as racist movements on the far right.

"We are now seeing a movement that wishes to place race back at the forefront of our political thinking and, frighteningly, that viewpoint seems to be shared by those on the far left and the far right," says Weinstein. "We cannot remain cohesive as a nation if we are attacking each other on the basis. That the only thing we need to understand to know what team we are on is the color of our skin or our gender."

Jorgensen believes it's government intervention that exacerbates many of our divisions, including racial ones, pointing to the Rosa Parks story as a historical example.

"A rural black woman stood up and refused to sit in the back of the bus," says Jorgensen. "That was a government-run, government-owned bus. And so it was the government who was putting us in this 'us versus them' situation."

While their strategies and analyses differ, Weinstein and Jorgensen both agree that the status quo cannot hold.

"I'd say everything is at stake in this particular election. And what we've been delivered is two different failure modes," says Weinstein. "I think the problem is either case is unacceptable. And when one finds that situation, we have to look for a third way. And in this case, if it's considered radical, so be it. It's simply time."

Jorgensen says that Americans feel fundamentally disempowered by the infringements on their liberties that a poor federal response to the COVID-19 pandemic has caused.

"Americans are frustrated because they don't have any control over their own lives," says Jorgensen. "And all they know is that it's the two old parties that are making them feel this way."

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  1. Does Reason magazine think it’s fucking 2016? Guys wake the fuck up. There is no chance the third parties get anywhere near the traction it got last time around the Democrats and their visceral unhinged reaction to Trump have made sure of that. Try again in 2024 when the lock-downs orders and looters aren’t out in force and the libertarian and green party ostensibly supports both.

    1. Their just concern trolling any because it’s obvious that their fealty lies with the DNC.

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      2. “Can the Republican Party Survive Trump”

        What a clown.

        Republicans were facing irrelevance. Romney couldn’t beat Obama in an election his to lose.

        Trump transformed the Republican Party into the party of America’s Working Class instead of America’s Warmonger Elites. The NeoClowns all hate him. Now *there’s* an endorsement!

        It’s the Left and Right Globalists, Marxists, and Reason vs. government of, by, and for the People.

        I like the People’s chances.

        1. Libertarians should spend more time at http://www.lewrockwell.com

          this clown is just another snowflake.

          Trump put a lid on integration which immediately put pressure on wages.. [orange man bad]

          Even the socialists at Naked Capitalism grudgingly attribute job growth to cutting off China, tapping the labor pool numbers, and
          threatening 35% tariffs on hitherto ALL AMERICAN companies like Ford and Chevy.

          Trump is not the boogie man folks…. and he saved us from the UNIPARTY…… and he’s not done yet.

          Ask Weinsteins brother about immigration affecting the Sciences… he’ll give you an earful… he’s happy Trump has clamped down.

          1. there is no edit so immigration became integration…. ooops

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    2. I’m voting for the lesser of two evils, Biden+Kamala. If you can’t vote for either party, then feel free to vote for a third party. Whatever you do, please do NOT vote for Trump – a man who runs actually concentration camps on our Southern border for children who’s only crime is the color of their skin.

      1. 0/10

        1. You are being too generous. I would have given him -10/10

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        2. Haha. The rabbi and the judge had to go toe to toe eventually. The rabbi’s been hiding.

      2. Cthuluhu 2020: The lesser of three evils.

        1. You have that incorrect. Cthulhu is never the lesser evil…”Why choose the lesser evil?” is his campaign slogan.

      3. Do you have reasons why that ticket is the lesser of the evils? Honestly don’t know if you’ve ever justified this assertion b4. A pronouncement like that really needs elaboration.

        1. Hmmmm….. I think that the absurdity of the last sentence points to this being parody. The rabbi does have a sense of humor.

      4. To vote Biden + Kamala is to vote the Democratic Establishment who will divvy up power between the Globalists and the Marxists.

        “Libertarian Moment”

      5. So, in other words, you’ll be like all those other millions of gutless turd American voters who constantly bitch about how both parties are hopelessly corrupt, yet fail to do anything substantive about it and continue to vote for what you perceive as “the lesser of two evils.”

        Voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil.

    3. Honestly if you look at the parallel they draw to Zachary Taylor, they *are* talking about what happens when Trump leaves office- whether in 2021 or 2025.

      I would love to see the Libertarian party make inroads, but that is going to require them to run candidates on the local level. And see, this is the big problem: the Two Party system is much more stacked against third parties at the local level. It will require rich people to self fund some upsets at the local level- rich people who are too narcissistic to run at such peanuts level.

      1. the libertarian party will never make inroads at even a national level with it’s current message but otherwise I completely agree with your analysis.

        1. This is why you see libertarians going at GOP primaries and Socialists attacking the Democrat primaries- because then they at least have the chance of winning office.

          And for the libertarians who tend to always like the Democratic party, note how few (ehem, zero) Democrats could ever be considered libertarian, while the GOP had at least 2 – 3 before the Trump populist revolt. *shrug*

          1. Not to mention that Democrat supporters just tried to kill the most libertarian-leaning Senator in D.C. last night.

            A libertarian supporting Democrats at this point is a chicken begging for the axe.

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        2. give the Ds and Rs a few more years to F things up, and the LP might start to look like the sane option. (It ran the best candidate in 2016, and is the only party not threatening financial Armageddon this time.)

          1. That’s just it – the Libertarians had an incredible chance, and a semi-hinged multiple loser candidate (Johnson) was named. His Aleppo moment was all that needed to be said. Had they run Peterson(so), they would have had at least the start of a base instead of forever being relegated to side-show status.

        3. The problem isn’t just the message.

          Just as big of a problem is that libertarians aren’t generally the kinds of people who want power, so they aren’t the kind of people who want to run for office.

          Instead the Libertarian primary is a field of nut cases and carpetbaggers.

          And unfortunately, those nut cases and carpetbaggers end up controlling the official party message.

          1. This is such a cope. A far bigger percentage of libertarians have been office seekers than conservatives and liberals. Libertarians are terrible politicians but grifts inherent appeal to libertarians- which is why they hate government it allows people to organize to constrain grift- so being a libertarian poltical activist isn’t exactly a rare vocation.

        4. The Libertarian Party will never make inroads, ever. It’s pleasant to fantasize otherwise. I would love to live in a libertarian paradise, but not gonna happen.

          1. I don’t know if I am what would be called a Libertarian, I am more of a conservative liberal or a moderate. In my adult life I have never really felt afraid of what the dems and republicans were up to until 2009. Don’t ever remember really being frightened by a new law being passed until Obama Care. I knew it would become the cluster f$%^ it is. Some of the crap the republicans try and pass might irritate me, I am not a fan of abortion but I absolutely believe it should be legal, but the laws the democrats are trying to get passed or have scare the crap out of me.

            I had wondered, what is their end game? If they get all they are trying for we would end up just like the ChiComs and then I had an epiphany, that is just what they want. They admitted as much 10 years ago after the 2008 recession. Remember all the talking heads telling us that China does not have free speech and free elections with multiple parties and how great that was…no hate speech, no redneck republicans? But then what about the fat cats on the coasts that support the democratic party, wouldn’t they be done away with under that system? On the contrary, they would have more power than ever, you don’t have real communism in China, you have an absolute Oligarchy. They have a large percentage of billionaires and millionaires already and growing. the only ones who would be screwed would be the little guy in the middle class. But you know I cannot remember a single republican cheering on the ChiCom system…can you?

            As for the subject of the republican party under Trump, if anything it has gotten better not worse. Yes they spend too much, but they both do that so I will skip that argument for now although it is a valid one. What I see is he made promises when he ran and he has tried his best to keep them, he did not say he was doing to build a wall and then forget about it when he got elected. He promised to get rid of Obama Care and he has tried his best to get rid of it. He promised to get us out of all these wars and he has tried his best to keep us out of more and get us out of the ones we are already in. He promised to hold other countries to account for uneven trade practices and he has tried his best to do that as well. In all these endeavors he has been thwarted by a hostile congress that has promised other countries, just wait him out and we will reverse everything he does whether it helps or hurts the US, he has been stopped by activist judges and by members of his own party who when up for election promised one thing and then when they had to make a choice went back on their promises. What I see going forward is the voters will insist that they keep their promises or they will not be going back.
            That’s my take on it anyway.

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            1. Rockstevo, maybe the most disruptive aspect of POTUS Trump is precisely this = What I see going forward is the voters will insist that they keep their promises or they will not be going back.

              And I see that as a good thing.

        5. What, redistribution of wealth by market transactions only? Wean people off of government dependency with business-provisioned mobiles?

        6. The Libertarian Party Establishment is dead, much like Reason, trampled through by the Marxist Long March Through the Institutions.

      2. Couldn’t they take all the money they pour into their presidential campaign that fails every time and use it to buy a few local or congressional elections?

      3. And see, this is the big problem: the Two Party system is much more stacked against third parties at the local level.

        Agree. But the bigger problem is that a significant part of the LP has even less interest in local issues/governance than in railing against the DeRps on the national/global stage.

        You can pursue great dreams when there is no chance of achieving them. And that is exactly where true ideologues prefer to ply their rhetoric

        1. But the bigger problem is that a significant part of the LP has even less interest in local issues/governance than in railing against the DeRps on the national/global stage.

          I think this is a bit intrinsic to the party itself. It’s easy to rail against taxes, the debt, foreign wars, and the nanny state on a national level. Convincing your electorate that NIMBYism is hyper-regulatory while standing in their back yard is decidedly less intrinsically libertarian.

        2. The biggest problem is finding people to run for congress or state/local offices on the LP ticket.

          Small “l” libertarians aren’t generally the kinds of people who want power, so they aren’t the kind of people who want to run for office.

          The nut cases and carpetbaggers the LP presidential primaries attract are more interested in taking a shot at the White House than in running for Congress or local offices.

          1. The biggest problem is finding people to run for congress or state/local offices on the LP ticket.

            The best strategy imo would be for LP to get involved in the govt stuff that happens below the partisan level. That is where the LP could find the personal characteristics of people who make good candidates – sociable, public speaking, etc

            An idea as ‘small’ as whether to turn traffic intersections into roundabouts – or defunding police interventions in many things. Those can be made libertarian – and the person making those changes happen is exactly the sort of person the LP should be nominating for partisan elections.

            They can become more libertarian over time assuming people really give a shit about grand philosophy. I’ve never understood why real libertarians are not the most pragmatic people on Earth. NAP really does work at the personal level

            1. That is not a great strategy for the LP party. That would require finding people who are libertarians and interested in running for office, a nearly impossible task, but then you go and throw in that they have to be sociable too..

              1. No. What I mean is finding those who are already involved in those issues and then tweaking them a bit towards a libertarian approach. And far more importantly helping them succeed (easier before everything becomes partisan) and associating that success with L.

                It means going to city council meetings and such. To listen, identify local issues that can be libertarian, and identify the people who matter on that issue.

          2. Yup. Back in the 90’s up in Michigan, I was persuaded to run for state Rep on the LP ticket, just as a slot filling exercise, not even an active campaign. I literally had “wake up screaming, drenched in sweat” nightmares where I somehow won.

        3. I mean a lot of that is a leadership problem. Going to work for a libertarian organization is a good idea for a guy who craves left wing approval but isn’t impressive to get a job a left wing organization.

      4. The problem is that the parallels aren’t even close. Taylor died about 1.5 years into his first term and left no defining legacy; the Whigs had already been the “Anti-Jackson” party for years, and there was no political realignment in play like what Trump’s presidency is doing.

        The Whigs didn’t begin to re-form until well after Taylor’s death, when they lost to Pierce and Buchanan, and the slavery debate had gotten far hotter to the point that sectional antagonism was at the breaking point. The Republicans were initially founded as an explicitly anti-slavery and anti-polygamy party.

    4. Are you seriously surprised that people might react strongly negatively to Trump? Does he not kind of invite it? I’d say Democrats are pretty hinged on this count.

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  2. The Democratic party survived Carter, so I’d say ‘yes’.

    1. He still hasn’t died so there must be some magic in those Georgian peanuts. Or all that nuclear radiation has caused his chromosomal telomeres to elongate to an unnatural length.

      1. there’s also the lizard people theory

        1. Don’t talk about them!

    2. It survived the 1994 AWB as well.

    3. Democrats survived the least Trump-like president ever to hold the office, so Republicans will survive the most Trump-like. Checks out.

      1. True. Jimmy Carter is a foaming at the mouth racist anti-Semite who hates Jews and supports the destruction of Israel. Trump is not a foaming at the mouth racist, supports Israel, and has finally acknowledged its true capital after 30+ years. Thank you for pointing out the stark distinction between the utterly incompetent, failed 1-term presidency of the racist Democrat Jimmy Carter and Donald Trump, Tony. You are so helpful!

        1. I’d ask what is libertarian about giving unquestioned undying support to a foreign government, but why bother asking questions I know the answer to?

          1. Yes, you’d invent a strawman and not expect an answer, shitstain.

          2. Carter’s not just a run-of-the-mill Israel hater, but a genuine antisemite.
            But I know you already knew that, you dishonest fuck.

  3. Imagine a political party that has lost its ideological coherence and is torn apart by various warring factions.

    Wait, hold on, which party are we describing here?

    1. Yeah, where’s the party with ideological coherence and actual political power?

      1. When has there ever been a winning political party with actual ideological coherence? In order to build a coalition big enough to win, you need to recruit hundreds if not thousands of subgroups and promise them things that conflict with things said and promised to other groups. Cynical pragmatism wins. Coherence is a recipe for remaining niche and powerless.

        1. Also see: Libertarian party.

        2. When has there ever been a winning political party with actual ideological coherence?

          Seems like the very sort of thing that goes hand in hand with a 5 yr. plan or a cultural revolution.

          1. A winning political party with actual ideological coherence is something that would go hand in hand with dragons and unicorns.

        3. When has there ever been a winning political party with actual ideological coherence?
          The original Republican Party, as mentioned above, which offered total opposition to slavery at a time when the Northern states were fed up with parties that compromised on the issue.

          Weissmuller is heavy into Orange Man Bad. Trump is religiously opposed by the Democrats, and hated by the Old Guard Republicans who have long been bff with the Left.
          Except for COVID, we would be in an expanding economy with historically low unemployment, particularly for minorities. Trump has done more for Black prisoners, Black colleges, Native Americans, and other minority groups in three years, than the Lightbringer did in eight. His recent convention was far more diverse, and far younger, than the Democratic 2020 or the Republican 2016 ones.
          Trump is Trump. Admire his style or not, we got what we voted for. And he’s the only reason Republicans may pull out this election.
          Had any of the establishment Republican candidates run in 2016, Clinton would be cruising into her second term, and several formerly Red states would be turning Blue.

    2. seriously this has been the most chaotic the Dems have been since fucking 68 and it’s the republicans that are in trouble. The republicans can and will survive trump if he loses they will happily flush him and his entire family down the toilet and go back to nominating Mccain and Romney types. the Dems losing could mean a period in the wilderness their leadership is all in their 70’s and the “mainstream” candidates below them have the charisma of a wet blanket. Their best and most charasmatic candidates are all out and out socialists.

      1. It’s the most chaotic the Democrats have been in my lifetime, and that’s even adjusting for the Media Handicap. That Media Handicap is how most of my life, the establishment media has been quick to point out and report any and all ‘rifts’ within the Republican party as “proof” they in chaos, one NPR reporter in the 90s even stating as unvarnished fact that “republicans tend to eat their own”.

        Knowing that the Democrats over the last thirty or forty years have had an equal share of rifts and infighting (as all political parties do), this rift has been going on for a while now and is an outright civil war within the party– essentially taking place on the streets as we see every night.

        I totally agree with RazorFist’s analysis… this is a civil war between disaffected Bernie Bros and the Democratic mainstream– the rioters are the result of the party faction that has essentially disengaged from politics and is now taking their grievances to the streets.

        I think there are kind of two discussions here. A republican party that has arguably shifted its rhetoric to a more populist variety– but has done it in a somewhat peaceful and orderly fashion (within the context of the party itself) and a Democratic party that has resisted change from its far left base– refusing to even recognize their existence– while also showing disdain for potential ‘crossover’ voters on the right. In addition, the Democrats have continuously given lip-service to the fringiest of the fringe issues, alienating their so-called ‘traditional working class’ base.

        All I can say to all of this is… this too shall pass.

        1. Super rad that someone else here watches RazorFist. Godspeed!

          1. The dude’s delivery (as funny and punchy as I find it) makes him easy to dismiss (if you disagree with him). But when you scratch the surface snark, his political analysis is as good as any ‘learned’ pundit around today. And if you considered him an ideological ‘opponent’, you dismiss his analysis at your peril. What I’m trying to say is, if you think his opinions are full of shit, but he makes an analytical prediction around the political state of things, you’d do well to listen what he’s saying.

            1. The dude’s delivery (as funny and punchy as I find it) makes him easy to dismiss (if you disagree with him).

              His delivery makes him easy to dismiss even if you agree with him. But you have your Razorfist, I have my Amber Heard.

        2. No that take makes a ton of sense. But also Bernie didn’t exactly light up the boards for the minority vote. But that could be (()) for reasons other than his message.

          1. Blacks like high wattage charisma. That’s why blacks loved Clinton who honestly couldn’t have cared less about blacks. ( he wasn’t a racist he just saw them purely in transactional terms Bill Clinton feels no white guilt) Bernie is just an old angry jew.

        3. You don’t understand. The rioters are protesting Trump.

          1. You don’t understand. The rioters are protesting Trump.

            BLM, the Democratic establishment and MSM may say they are, but it’s leftfolk who are most often being cancel-cultured. See the New York Times staff, and the author of this article.

            And all the BLM “peaceful protests” are in cities populated by and run by Democrats. Their slogans are about police, but the first people looted and burned in each city they have spread to are minority businesses in minority neighborhoods. Cities that are the heart of Democratic power are going to be economically crippled for at least a decade, on top of what their failed policies have already wrought.

            1. Why do you think they’re so pissed?
              Trump gave conservatives a backbone and an alternative.
              The Left’s bullshit is fundamentally passive-aggressive. It only works if the target beats himself.
              Tell the “fuck you” and they’re powerless

              1. It doesn’t hurt that most of these rioters are young soyboy pussies who can barely fight their way out of a wet paper sack. Only becoming a threat in large groups. Kind of like the walkers on ‘The Walking Dead’.

            2. It’s straight out of the communist subversive handbook.

              See, when you’re trying to fuel a revolution based on the “downtrodden”, you have a real problem in a functioning capitalist society: There aren’t enough genuine downtrodden! Even if you recruited every last one of them, they’d lose a straight up fight against the middle class.

              So, you manufacture downtrodden, by destroying the local economy, and impoverishing the middle class. Impoverishing people is pretty easy, the dicey part of this strategy is making sure that the new downtrodden don’t correctly identify who trod them down.

              1. Yes, victim mining is a devious game. Sometimes the various grievance groups don’t even like each other.

        4. It’s the most chaotic the Democrats have been in my lifetime

          You must be much younger than me. In the 60s the dems were warring amongst themselves. The blue collar hardhats against the intellectuals and blacks. The southerners against the northerners. It got so bad they had to run several years of telethons to beg for money. It culminated at the 72 convention, best exemplified by kicking out the elected Mayor Daley’s delegation and seating Jessie Jackson and his people. They didn’t make a national comeback until after Nixon shit his bed. But the dems held on to both houses of congress until Clinton fucked that up for them.

          1. Yes, I’m aware of that. The “in my lifetime” wasn’t meant to be interpreted as “in all time”. I was being literal. 1968 I was 1. But for most of my life, as best as I can recall, party politics has been a generally steady drumbeat of doctrinaire back-and-forth. 1968 would be more comparable to what’s happening today.

          2. I won’t post the links again, but to successfully reform or deal with Qualified Immunity, I believe it needs to be a truly bipartisan issue. And the problem with that is, Democrats quietly like Qualified Immunity because there are other branches of civil servant unions that enjoy its protections, and Democrats don’t want to interfere with that.

            Republicans (probably) like it as it relates to cops because they (probably) believe that in its absence, officers will be too tentative or reluctant to act in a dangerous situation, where police protections and risk is required.

            I’m not making a case for either of these opinions, just stating their existence as I see them. I believe that for this reason, Qualified Immunity is a dead letter as a political reform topic.

            By the way, the 1994 congressional elections were a kind of canary-in-the-coal mine for what’s been going on with the Democrats (and the Media) for at least three decades.

        5. The current political climate feels a lot like a mirror image of the 90s. Except this time it’s the Democrats being challenged and pulled way too far left by their base and the Republicans who’ve elected a scumbag.
          As a young voter, the awfulness of the Religious-right was almost solely responsible for driving me into the hands of the Democrats at that time. I’d imagine that if I was that age today, the excesses of the left would drive me toward the Republicans.
          Thankfully I’m old enough now to see that the pendulum swings back and forth, and declaring my loyalty to a team is a bad idea.

          1. Yes, because 90s purity conferences are totes comparable to burning cities.

            1. Yea 90s era social conservatives were basically 100 per cent in every point they made about American culture and literally got stream rolled politically. This is like some in 1836 saying they became a fire breather because you the abolitionist party.

      2. at least AOC won’t be 35 in 2024

        1. I would be surprised if AOC won the presidency. I could be wrong– she has some of the elements needed, she’s attractive, she’s made a splash in the media, and she has concrete policy proposals, as crazy as they are. But when the rubber meets the road, I don’t believe that what she proposes will go over in Peoria and working-class voters in flyover country. She appeals to a small ward in New York.

          1. Also, it’s 2020, eight years is an awful long time to be reactionary and stupid, especially for someone as reactionary and stupid as she is.

          2. And, of course, she won’t be able to run in 2032 because we will all have died of AGW by then.

          3. The left isn’t planning on persuasion…

          4. She also sounds completely retarded when she isn’t reading from the script provided to her by the Justice Democrats who control her.

    3. I think this one went over your heads. If you look at the links for support, he refers to the factional squabbles inside the Democratic party. Both sides are struggling to maintain their big tent.

      The difference between the GOP and the Dems is that the GOP nominated a person who does not represent a compromise of the big tent. Trump is trump, for good or bad, and he has alienated a significant number of Republicans. The Dems nominated Biden, who has in turn taken on compromise positions for the socialists in his ranks. If he ends up losing, it won’t be because he alienated his base.

      I still prefer Trump to a Biden presidency, but as a former republican I have been worried about what happens to the party when Trump leaves. Pence isn’t going to keep that party unified, so who is it going to be.

      I have said before that Trump reminds me of the Grachii brothers of the Roman republic. They were populists who were largely taking on the elitist aristocracy of Rome. They represented real populist sentiments, but their rise and deaths ultimately unlocked the riots and general “mob” tactics that destabilized the republic. Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon less than 80 years later.

      1. I don’t disagree with the main part of your comment. As for this:

        I think this one went over your heads. If you look at the links for support, he refers to the factional squabbles inside the Democratic party. Both sides are struggling to maintain their big tent.

        I was really just making a quip about how what he was describing vis-a-vis The Whigs in the specific line I quoted as being a perfect description of the current Democratic party– seeing the article headline was asking the question about the Republicans.

        I have no problem with the thrust of the article. But I do have some issues with some of the analysis from referenced parties IN the article.

        1. I think what makes this about Republicans though is the fact that Trump’s insurgency has essentially decapitated the GOP and replaced its brain with his.

          The big figures in the party- Ryan, McCain, Romney, etc are all marginalized or gone. Not to mention all of the Never Trumpers, and Lincoln Project suspects. And while I wouldn’t miss many of those people going forward, they took a huge network of organizing, funding and power brokering.

          When Trump is gone, who is left to keep that together- to keep the grifters from the Lincoln Project swooping back in? Pence? He has the gravitas of a well used door knob. In my schoolboy fantasies, Rand Paul is finally repaid for his loyalty by getting a marquis nomination and endorsement from Trump in 2024, but in reality I see very little keeping the party unified.

          1. You forgot Scott and Cameron. I also like Klacik (and she is definitely easy on the eyes as well). She’s a house candidate and unlikely to win but she does have some national profile with her as campaign and her convention speech.

            1. https://kimkforcongress.com/videos/
              Great campaign video. Unfortunately her district is so blue she has very little shot.

            2. Trump put the Rs in the best place they’ve been since Newt, maybe even longer.
              The Bush branch and progressive faction that had assumed leadership for the past 20 years was awful

          2. Overt…I think you discount the bench strength. There are people on Team R who can make articulate arguments, and back them up with real world accomplishment = VP Pence, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Tim Scott, and Kristi Noem – just to name a few.

            Pence lacks charisma, and to be honest, does anyone really know if he wants to sit in the Oval Office? He has not said either way. My guess is that he’ll politely decline.

      2. I really think the difference is the Republicans actually have talent to speak of see the 2016 primaries. They have a rather deep bench. Keep in mind the dems favorites in this cycle were an 80 year old socialist, an 80 year old biden and the media vacillated between a gay mayor of a city in indiana, a failed senate cadidate who had a hispanic last name, a fake indian and a totally uncharismatic cop. Juxtapose that with Pence, Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Nikki Hallie, DeSantis, Whatever Trump decides to run, Maybe a Massie and the Kristi Noem. I just see the republican party as far more youthful experienced and far deeper than the dems right now. But opinions are like assholes and you have a solid one.

        1. If I had to sum up the problems with the Democrats, it would be like if the Republicans openly welcomed naked racism into their party.

          Now, the obvious quip (especially from your garden variety Democrat) is that All Republicans Have Always Been Racist. What I specifically mean is it would be as if the Republican Party had a congressional KKK caucus, and publicly stated there was a place for White Supremacy in the party.

          The Democrats have pretty much done that on the left. The Democrats have adopted the left’s version of that, but in the guise of Marxism, neo-Marxism and race nationalism and racial hierarchies. And it’s not just Marxism and racialism, but a particularly anti-American brand of it. It would be one thing to discuss socialist, or socialist-like policies in a positive way. But they haven’t. They’ve embraced these policies with the premise that the current system and everything it represents is evil, racist and needs to be completely burned to the ground. They’ve embraced a vision of America that rewrites its history and re-visualizes it as an entire experiment that didn’t have racism in its midst, but was predicated on destroying “people of color”.

          It’s just not selling well in Peoria and with working-class voters. It’s the stuff of niche, grievance studies academics, but they’re making it their entire platform.

          I remember a time when Democrats did gripe about racial and economic injustice, but seemed to believe they could address these things within the framework of the Bill of Rights (to give one example). That’s no longer the case. They believe the Bill of Rights and the rest of the constitution needs to be sent into the shredder, and an entirely new system of government needs to be installed. And installed by the use of molotov cocktails and smashed storefronts.

          1. You forgot Scott and Cameron. I also like Klacik (and she is definitely easy on the eyes as well). She’s a house candidate and unlikely to win but she does have some national profile with her as campaign and her convention speech.
            I meant to post this here.

          2. glad to see someone noticed

        2. Lol, I just made the exact opposite argument up above.

          We can agree to disagree here. You are right that there is a decent bench…I just don’t think there is the Heir Apparent for the party to rally around. Indeed, it was all of these “Meh” candidates that allowed Trump to sweep up the nomination in 2016 because the party was so divided in its support.

          I dunno, we’ll see.

          1. There isn’t an heir apparent but there doesn’t have to be. There is a long list of people who would be acceptable to the vast majority of the party and could unite the party should they be nominated. And that is all that is necessary.

            1. Previous heir apparents: HW, McCain, Romney.

              Heirs apparent are a fucking awful sign, and no offense Overt, but your analysis in this thread is absolute dogshit.

              1. the heir apparent is Ivanka

                1. I recall after the election when Ivanka still had her fashion business going I asked my wife to look over her catalog. The opinion was “some of those are really cute shoes. Overpriced but cute”

                  So she has that going for her.

              2. They weren’t heir apparent in the sense of the base liking them. They were who the party establishment were comfortable with foisting on the base.

              3. McCain had to cancel his lease on his campaign plane and fly commercial for several weeks in 2008. The idea that he was the heir apparent is pure retroactive analysis.

          2. I think Hailey, Scott, Cameron made some fairly strong arguments to be the heir apparent this week. And Norm, and an outside chance in Klacik.

              1. ^^love her… easy on the eyes, seems to have a level head^

            1. Hailey or Scott or anyone else from the Carolinas getting any kind of promotion means Trumpism failed.

              1. I don’t follow, Sidd.

                1. They’re all more ‘neo-lib’ than Rubio. If Trumpism can’t even stop people that transparent it stands no chance against the more clever actors.

                  1. I think Scott’s ok.
                    Haley has a place, but it isn’t the top.
                    Graham is garbage.
                    I don’t like Rubio, he’s a Russia hawk

        3. Tulsi Gabbard would make a decent backbone to rebuild the Democrat party, but she was thoroughly rejected by them.

      3. GOP nominated a person who does not represent a compromise of the big tent. Trump is trump, for good or bad, and he has alienated a significant number of Republicans.

        Found the Bulwark reader.

        1. Conserving conservatism by shilling for Marxists and race hustlers.

    4. Describing the Republicans. Remember the Democratic Presidential nominee is a moderate, the VP nominee is a moderate, the Speaker of the House is a moderate, as is the Senate Minority leader. The Democrats have a party platform. The Republican have only fidelity to Trump.

      1. the Speaker of the House is a moderate

        Pull the other one, it’s got bells.

        1. What evidence do you have that she is not a moderate?

          1. Maybe her voting record, or in June when she accused Republicans of wanting to get away with murder because they supported a different police reform bill than she wanted or maybe yesterday when she labeled all Republicans “Domestic enemies”. Sure sounds moderate to me? Labeling people you disagree with as murderers and domestic enemies is the quintessential hallmark of moderation.

          2. What evidence do you have of being sentient?

          3. That you would even assert she is moderate is either incredibly obtuse, or you’re so far left yourself that a leftist extremist like Pelosi comes off as moderate.

      2. well the presidential nominee is a moderate at least

        1. I don’t think we are talking about cognitive ability and orientation to reality. Biden is a moderate when it suits Biden. He’s a prog when it suits him. In fact he has promised to be the most progressive president in history this summer. And his adoption of Sanders platform doesn’t scream moderation. Pandering maybe, but not moderation.

        2. the presidential nominee is a moderate

          Odd way to spell pedophile.

      3. the VP nominee is a moderate

        Compared to who? The Khmer Rouge? Nikolai Yezhov?

  4. believes that the two major parties are in thrall to far-left and far-right fringes and elite donors, causing them to neglect a majority of Americans.

    Both parties are certainly guilty of one of these things, but only one party is particularly guilty of both of these things.

  5. TL;DR As I am a Libertarian, I could honestly care less if they survive or not. (Actually, nothing could make me happier than if both D and R just went into history’s cylindrical file). But until that day comes, Trump and the rest of the R’s have my vote (unless there is a candidate in a landslide, then I can afford to “waste my vote” and vote my conscience, if there is a Libertarian option). I have no desire to live in the America that is being represented by the Democratic Party.

    1. If Donald Trump wins a second term, America will become a fully fascist nation. When that occurs, the only hope for people like me will be emigration from the failed United States of America to the Jewish state of Israel.

      1. Feel free to get a head start. See ya.

      2. emigration from the failed United States of America to the Jewish state of Israel.

        Remind me which president moved Israel’s U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and which party would close it altogether if they had the power.

    2. As a Libertarian, I am voting Trump and R’s until the Democrat Party fractures into regional factions and then work on getting out Nanny state Republicans.

    3. Spoiler alert: you are not a libertarian

      1. You need to put more glue on your labels

      2. Reasonable people can disagree about the efficacy of voting Republican/Democrat in an electoral system that heavily favors those two parties AND still be libertarians.

      3. And you are? That’s news to most the commenters.

  6. I don’t think I’ve read a more tone deaf out of touch article about the modern state of two party politics since I read my last Atlantic article.

    1. So you were reading The Atlantic this morning?

      1. that’s the joke.

        1. The Atlantic used to be a great magazine. Back around the time Scientific American was about science.

          1. I stuck around the Atlantic longer than I should have. Once they dropped their comment boards I was out. They didn’t care about offensive things being said, it was one of the most civil and informed boards on a major publication. They just didn’t like that someone could scroll down past the article and have see narrative challenged and get the information that was omitted.

            1. I think Ta-Nehisi Coates was one of the first to deliberately shut down comment sections on his articles because of that. That pseudo-intellectual can’t handle it when white people aren’t kissing his ass.

  7. Zach is concerned about the future of the Republican party.

    Concerned.

    Deeply. Concerned.

  8. Trump is the best thing to happen to American politics in multiple lifetimes.

    The Democrat Party (Party of slavery) is finally falling apart into factions and will likely never be a party that can win national elections anymore. The GOP will be the party of the working American, religious right, and Nanny staters of the conservative variety.

    Hopefully Libertarians take back the LP and make it the Party of fiscal conservatism and social freedoms while keeping out anarchists, RINOs, and commies.

    1. Funny because without the EC the Republican party would be toast as it stands. Same without the House Reapportionment Act of 1929.

      Acting as if a political anomaly that favors you somehow confers popularity is absurd, but this is lc who I’m talking to so that makes sense.

      1. If only the rules were different, Luca Donicic wouldn’t be such a good basketball player. Do you work hard to come up with such stupid and pointless statements or is it natural?

        1. It’s really funny watching you attempt to make a point someone else made. You’re literally arguing that any means of obtaining power that is codified in law is legitimate. So the American Revolution itself was not justified.

          1. This from the shitstain who claims all freedoms are ‘granted’ by the govnerment.

          2. He didn’t do any of that. More bullshit Tony strawmen.

      2. Allowing states with smaller populations to retain representation is a feature, not a bug. Slaver.

        1. Because it gives us Bush and Trump?

          1. Because the founding fathers knew it would be wrong to let the whole country be run by 6-8 cities.

      3. “Funny because without the EC the Republican party would be toast as it stands.”

        Which is exactly why it exists, and it’s a shame that the senate is elected by mob rule now, lefty scumbag.

    2. The Democrat Party (Party of slavery)

      yikes

    3. There’s no reasoning with a zombie. Good luck to you.

  9. Can the Republican Party Survive Trump?

    Ask the 2008 Democratic Party.

  10. Man, I hope not, The GOP needs to go away.

    1. Sure, but so do desperate eunuchs like yourself

  11. Could you be more clueless Zach? Because its difficult to see how.

    The Dem Party is collapsing on itself. The entirety of their leadership is ancient, and the ‘outsider’ voice is a very old socialist from Vermont. They are so far gone, they are trying to run Joe freakin Biden as their presidential nominee…..a man who has never previously even won a nomination, let alone a major election. The young are extreme fringe candidates like AOC who have zero national support and there is no one waiting in the wings who do because they have ostracized anyone with an ounce of mainstream philosophy (e.g. Gabbard). Can the

    1. I have a conspiracy theory about the Democrats nominating Biden.

      They know he’s going to lose. They expect him to lose. They needed a ‘burner’ candidate (if you will) to hold them over until 2024. The Democrats are working the long game. They realize they’re in a state of civil war, and they’re trying to figure out their direction, but simply weren’t prepared for 2020. So they propped Joe “El Cid” Biden on his horse and sent him into the field of battle.

      1. Is this an example of Biden winning by accident?

        Just like Trump did?

        1. We have to wait until the election to find that out. I think they’re hoping for the best (just as the Spanish did when they tied El Cid to his horse). If Biden wins in November, then their ploy worked. If he didn’t, then the analogy didn’t work through the end of the plan. My point with the analogy was that at this time, it only carries through the concept that Biden is an empty suit, a corporeal presence tied to the DNC horse and has been sent forward. How the people react to it? We’ve yet to see.

      2. Is this really a conspiracy? The leadership is just clinton/obama holdovers still at the feeding trough waiting for the next empty suit to come along.

      3. If there is any ‘they’ there it is two groups – the Not Bernie Brigade, and the people who chose not to get involved at all. And I think both knew that meant Biden.

      4. Biden may well lose, but none of the Dems expect him to lose. they believe the polls, this time.

    2. You simply don’t control political parties. Law & popularity defines them. But popularity is not limited by the one-way street of progress.

      1. Hee, you think progress is a one way street, how droll.

  12. This is a fascinating question because there are many in the conservative movement debating whether to burn down the Republican party. The question is should you vote for any Republican who allows Trump to get away without consequence. I believe Trump will be done in November and if that is the case it will be interesting to see what happens. Will any of the Republicans who sold out to Trump ever be able to run again for President? What happen to Cruz, Rubio, Paul, etc.? Who will be running for the nomination in 2024?

    1. Hardly. Many of us voted for whatever shit candidate those morons said should run. We saw that they refuse to do the same. So fuck ’em all. Also, hard to discuss how one needs somebody who has pimped for Democrats for YEARS to run the GOP.

  13. Today worrying yourself sick about liberals & conservatives is just as stupid as worrying yourself sick over the Whig Party in 1853. Politics will be an entirely different thing as White people come to REALIZE that they are a threatened minority. That is what is happening now. Multiculturalism is a code word for White Genocide.

    1. Needs more tinfoil

      1. You are not paying attention (cue Aghi Agarwal).

  14. A party splitting after a celebrity candidate leaves office…. umm, you just described exactly what has been happening to the dems ever since Obama left. Obama united both the far left (he was proof history marched in the direction of their ideals) and the establishment (because he didn’t rock the gravy train). Once he left, the cracks showed immediately and weren’t help by the obvious suppression of both Sanders and any other potential non-Clintonian candidate by the DNC establishment.

    The Republicans, OTOH, have been slowly moving towards a big tent, classical liberalism mindset where an Orthodox Jew and an atheist, married, gay man can sit down and agree on general principles about how the country should be governed. A lot of that is in response to the ongoing Democrat civil war, they are picking up the people who suddenly realize their party moved so far left, they are now considered ‘right’ without having moved.

    If Biden loses, the DNC civil war is going to fully shatter the party. If he wins, that will be delayed for about 4 years, or possibly happen quietly. Either way, the outcome will set us up for an actual Civil War since I’m pretty sure the winner will be the AOC contingent and they won’t take any prisoners.

    1. Obama cost the Democrats hundreds of elected offices while he was in office and left the party so bereft of talent it has been forced to nominate Hillary and now Biden as the only alternative to Bernie Sanders.

      Trump in contrast has done nothing like that to the Republican Party.

      1. Where they really forced to nominate Hilary due to lack of talent? I’ve always thought they were forced to because the Clintons have the dirt on everybody else and she wasn’t going to be robbed again.

        Sanders only threw his hat in the ring after even liberal journalists started pointing out how fishy a single candidate primary during a non-incumbent year looked.

        1. I’ve always thought they were forced to because the Clintons have the dirt on everybody else and she wasn’t going to be robbed again.

          I thought that too. But 2020 brought strong counter evidence.

        2. The truth is, Hillary has oodles of talent. She’s probably the most talented politician of our age. I mean that seriously. Nobody with less talent could have got within a hair’s breadth of the White House despite having a decades long reputation for corruption AND the charisma of a wet sock.

          She’s what you get when you combine raw talent, hard work, sociopathy, and a repulsive personality. If she’d had a fraction of her husband’s personal charm it would have been all over. If she had less talent, nobody outside Arkansas would have ever heard of her.

          1. I’ve always said Hillary had all of Bill’s negatives but very few of his positives.

            1. Together they made a world beating team. His charismatic face on her Machiavellian scheming.

              Separately? He’s just an unambitious horndog, and she’s an very unattractive Disney villian.

          2. This is so dumb. Hilary married the greatest politician of her generation and he stupidly let her politics resulting in the 1994 mid term elections. Bill Clinton is perhaps the most corporate neo liberal person to ever exist and he’s still beloved by the party. Hilary rode those coat tails and managed to lose every single toss up election see ever faced.

    2. sounds more like what happened to the Reform Party

      1. The Reform party wasn’t a real party, though. It was just a ballot access vehicle for Perot, since independent candidacies were practically impossible in a lot of states. And he kept it running after his first run, in order to make another attempt.

        But it never was more than a fake party for him to use.

  15. One, it’s absurd to say Biden is at all destructive. I mean, c’mon. Same old trope where you pretend to be above the fray by lobbing criticism at both sides. It’s just lazy and ignorant.

    Second, one can only hope. We could use an actual conservative party with true ideas and real policy goals. Not this brand of bullshit that the Rs call conservatism.

    1. In fairness, Biden would have to be coherent to be destructive. So, yeah, you make a good point.

    2. Edmund Burke was a real conservative. I see nothing in his politics libertarians would actually like.

      Conservatism =/= Libertarianism. Neither is it the neo-con buckleyism.

  16. The far left is currently making war on and destroying the center right. Meanwhile, the Republican Party is as united behind Trump as it has been behind any candidate. Reason hates that because they hate Trump. But the facts are what they are. Who knows what is going to happen in the election. But if either party is going to split apart, it is going to be the Democrats. Jesus Christ, there are roving violent bands of retards trying to burn down Republican cities.

    It boggles the mind to think how far the author’s head must be inside the major media fart bubble to think it is the Republican Party that is the party that is in danger of splitting apart.

    1. Jesus Christ, there are roving violent bands of retards trying to burn down Republican cities.

      LOL– and they keep fucking up and setting fire to the Democrat ones!

    2. the news media types keep pretending there’s some deep division in the Republican Party, because they believe the dinosaur neocons, Never Trumpers, and Lincoln Project crybabies have some public support somewhere. Meanwhile Trump raked in 90 to 95 percent support in the primaries.

      1. Trump got record turnout in primaries he ran unopposed.
        Any honest bookie would have Trump as a 3:1 favorite, and an honest media would talk about Biden needing a miracle to overcome Trump’s record and enthusiastic support

        1. The spread on this thing should be Trump -210.5
          Which would be comparable to the spread on a game like Bama vs Akron

  17. “A rural black woman stood up and refused to sit in the back of the bus,” says Jorgensen. “That was a government-run, government-owned bus.”

    Wrong on both counts. Rosa Parks lived in Montgomery and was not “rural”, and the buses were owned by a private company.

    1. And she was a trained activist who worked as a secretary for the NAACP. The entire thing was planned. That doesn’t make the cause any less just. But, it would be nice if people would just tell the truth instead of repeating this absurd myth about Parks just having enough and standing up one day.

      1. +1

        They deliberately planned with her because they wanted a sympathetic character with a spotless background, unlike previous women and men who had refused to move and been arrested. It is a textbook example of how to go about challenging what you perceive as unjust laws in ways that will generate public sympathy and result in actual change.

        If you think about it, the ‘got fed up’ narrative minimizes the sheer amount of strategic planning and tactical organization that went into the Civil Rights movement. It makes the events seem reactive instead of proactive and subtly feeds the victimization narrative.

        1. sheer amount of strategic planning and tactical organization

          Apparently Chris Weber said planning is racist and NBA players should just do whatever they feel like.

        2. Lol this so vastly exaggerates the boycott. I Alabama. Southern blacks had every billionaire in America on their side (provided the stayed in the South). Hint it’s no a coincidence that the civil rights movement kicked up its efforts right around the time the US government opted for massive retaliation instead of massive conventional forces in Europe. Eastern gold traders knew they didn’t need southern boys to use as cannon fodder anymore so it was time to kick them around a bit.

    2. I saw a plaque on a road in the absolute middle of nowhere Alabama once that said something about Rosa Parks. I looked up the area on the internet and … Don Sutton was from there.

      But yea, “rural” in that context is a straight up lie.

      1. Alabama could field a world class all-time baseball team:

        Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Billy Williams — of
        Ozzie Smith — ss
        Willie McCovey — 1b
        Luke Sewell — c
        Riggs Stephenson — 3b
        Frank Bolling — 2b
        Don Sutton, Early Wynn, Doyle Alexander, Jimmy Key, Corey Kluber — sp
        Craig Kimbrel, Jeff Brantley — rp

        1. That’s absolutely nuts. Didn’t know about half of these.

    3. Thank you, I was coming down here to point out that Montgomery City Lines was actually a subsidiary of National City Lines, which was a private company. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_City_Lines That said, it is accurate to say that it was government that caused the buses in Selma to be segregated.

      1. It was crony capitalism. The government did the dirty work- the president of national city lines sure as shit wasn’t going to have integrated buses. But it’s always better to have a hatchet man.

    4. Unfortunately, Jorgenson once again makes me question my support for her. Did her campaign staff not vet this before she said it?

  18. One of the differences between the parties that their respective conventions made clear (to my eye, anyway) is that the Democrat bench is pretty shallow compared to the Republicans.

    Liz Warren came in third in her home state to a bunch of socialists that don’t have a national appeal–not even within the Democratic Party, which is why they lost to Biden. Kamala Harris probably gets a boost for the high profile Vice Presidential nod, but she dropped out for lack of interest, too. Who else is on the Democrats’ short list for 2024 if Biden loses?

    Nikki Haley, on the other hand, is ready for prime time. Tim Scott didn’t hurt himself either. Pence is a legitimate presidential candidate out of the box. Cruz and Rubio aren’t going anywhere. I wouldn’t count out Mark Cuban.

    The parties are as healthy as their ability to field politicians who can draw votes on a national basis. If Biden wins, opposition to the Green New Deal, opposition to bailing out the states of California, Illinois, and New York, and opposition to his healthcare programs will drive people to vote for the Republican party–whomever wins the nomination. And even if Trump wins this time around, the Republican party has a deep bullpen.

    Where do the Democrats go if Biden doesn’t work out, Harris? Okay.

    Who’s on the bench after that?

    1. Nikki Haley, on the other hand, is ready for prime time.

      This x 1000

    2. Nikki Haley is just a dumb southerner. Same with Scott. You know what they say about South Carolina: too small to be a country, too big to be a insane asylum. I don’t know how anyone can stand that flip flopping, flavor of the month Haley.

        1. Once again progressive show their true racist colors. Blacks are okay as long as they stay in their place, to Progressives. Why is anyone surprised by this anymore?

  19. You know what happened about 14 years after 1848? Yeah.

    Lincoln had the unlibertarian attitude of saving the nation before any ideology, leading him to free slaves only at rebel territory at first (even returning slaves) and not massively hanging and purging any traitors that walked out the nation upon victory. The nation and GOP has endured since, to the good fortune of blacks seeking civil rights.

    BTW, what’s Jorgensen’s polling numbers? I’d expect to see numbers like Biden 48, Trump 41, Joregensen 5% a few weeks ago. Right now libertarians should be worried about the movement for limited government dying out – either the socialists / Marxists win, or Trump’s brand of protectionism wins.

    1. Right now libertarians should be worried about the movement for limited government dying out

      I’m not worried at all. It died with Bush 43.

      1. Nah, Reagan. He normalized getting big government without big taxes.

    2. She embraced BLM.

      The last thing libertarians need is a useful idiot.

      Next.

    3. It didn’t so much die out as was killed by “campaign finance reform”. Every time the LP found a way to raise some money, or get ahead, they went and outlawed it.

      That’s why I left the LP back in the late 90’s: I could see that it was hopeless, and the party was being taken over by grifters. I just wish it hadn’t taken two campaigns for me to realize that Browne was a grifter. And I’d read his books, I should have understood where he was coming from.

  20. John, the Republican Party has already split apart. Look at the number of Republicans that have publicly said they will vote for Biden. Biden has the Bernie Bros behind him. The Republicans are like an exploding star leaving behind a core of nationalist and racist united behind the great leader.

      1. Glad you find it funny, because it is true.

        1. No, it’s not funny; it’s stupid. No surprise.

        2. My aunt gave me that line. I’ve noticed that your comments reflect the same idiotic propaganda that she laps up like a baby’s pablum. You two must watch the same news analysis.

    1. *John, the Republican Party has already split apart.*

      Are you for real? You strike me as one those people who get interviewed on the street about awful Trump quotes and yammer on how evil and fascistic he is because of them. Then, when told that they are actual quotes from Biden, you with a straight face, agree with them and say you’re going to vote for Biden anyways.

      1. What particular quotes are your referring to?

        1. Pick one, any one.
          Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company.

      2. Eh, technically true if you only pay attention the beltway politics. The diehard nevertrumpers have in fact split away from the party, and those assholes were disproportionately found in DC and New York. So to people concentrating on those places it looks like a large amount of Republicans just up and left. In reality it’s more like the dead skin was scrubbed off.

        1. Big Orange, the Exfoliant.

          Isn’t there an industrial level degreaser hand scrubber that fits that description?

    2. You mean the ones the party left at the side of the road a while ago?

      Oh no, Mitt Romney might support Biden. That is truly meaningful. As Christie pointed out, you didn’t see any governors backing Kasich in 2016 because he’s an idiot. The McCains? Horrifying loss there. Truly.

      1. What is funny is most my Republican relatives (which is a fairly large sample size) like Trump because they were tired of the Romney’s, McCains, Bushes and Kasichs. Trump wasn’t their first choice by far, most supported Paul or Cruz and some Rubio (albeit Rubio was a lot like the party leaders they had grown to distrust). Not one supported Kasich or Bush. Trump won them over, because he went after Bush. He took on the NeoCons and their roll over and show your belly to the progressives because we must play nice attitude. They wanted someone who would fight back, who would stand up to the media, DC, Hollywood group think. They don’t personally like Trump, and are often offended by his words, but they support what he has accomplished and hope for more.

        1. Too bad Mnuchin is executive producer on like 30 “Hollyweird” movies.

  21. “”In 2020, we have two parties that have delivered us candidates, both of which are more destructive than they are constructive,” says evolutionary biologist and podcast host Bret Weinstein, who is trying to engineer the candidacy of an independent to go up against Biden and Trump.”

    They had Mark Cuban primed and ready earlier this year, but he chickened out for fear he might hurt Biden more than Trump. Now it’s way too late to vote for anyone other than Trump, Biden or Jorgensen.

    1. Kanye West on line 1

  22. Can the Republican Party Survive Trump?
    I don’t know. Can the Democratic party survive Biden, Harris, Sanders and (Hillary) Clinton? Will the Democrats break into two parties, one moderate and the other socialist?
    Once upon a time, Republicans had liberals, and were known of the party of big business. Once upon a time the Democrats had conservatives, and were the party of labor. It meant congressional members could work across the aisle. Work with conservatives or liberals of the other party. Those days are gone. Johnson signing the civil rights act pushed all the southern conservatives to the Republican party. Gerrymandering finished the job.
    Neither party now has any ideological coherence other than spending more and more money to keep themselves in power, which will eventually be the end of the USA as we know it (total financial collapse). So really, I don’t care if either party splits, disappears, regenerates, or re-brands itself, they both are terrible choices. I vote NO!

    1. Fairy tales are nice, but hardly helpful.

  23. Did you actually watch the RNC convention this week?

    Far from having destroyed the RNC, Trump actually brought them back to their roots.

    I know… I don’t get it either. Perhaps first impressions were lasting… and wrong?

    The party of this week’s convention was all about expanding the party – they made an extremely strong pitch for black voters. Trump made a personal appeal to women. It was all about freedom and shared values.

    It was Reaganesque.

    Trump showed them how to do it. I don’t know if they’ll learn, but the blueprint is there.

    The establishment is livid. They hate him with a purple passion. But the establishment is a small cadre of highly placed politicians and bureaucrats. The party is massive.

    There is no guarantee of success. Politicians have a habit of being underwhelming.

    But this convention was full of young talent of many races and included many women. They were passionate about their party and their country. Far from imploding, they appeared to be a rejuvenated party.

    Now, the democrats , on the other hand.

    1. The establishment and most of the country hate him. Biden will probably win largely on anti-Trump sentiment. He may have even more propagandists working for him than Reagan did, but he’s not going to distract enough people from his failure to prevent 200,000 deaths.

      1. Tell us how that hag can’t possibly lose to Trump, shitstain.

      2. The establishment and most of the country hate him (Trump).

        The establishment is that portion of local and state government that is systemically Racist and elected, hired, and supported from and by the violent mobs that are mindlessly attacking the Federal government and an entire race for their local governing decisions?

        That establishment (and population group) hates Trump?

      3. 65 million (lower bound estimate) is a lot of propagandists

      4. Commie faggots like you hate him Tony. You do understand most of the country does not think like you, right? Probably not.

        1. Sure they do. Most of the country wants what’s best for the country and aren’t in a ridiculous death cult.

          1. Check the polling, it is looking worse for your argument every day.

            1. My argument against death cults?

    2. Cyto…One thing I do see as hugely important that you did not mention. POTUS Trump is a billionaire in his own right. He cannot be bought. He cannot be financially bullied. He is beholden to no one. For example, if Big Pharma doesn’t like what he is doing, they can threaten to stop donating. Do you think he really cares? Nope. He actually has FU money and that enables him to make policy decisions that he otherwise would not have made. That aspect, not being beholden to anyone, is a significant part of his appeal (rightly or wrongly).

      The long-term danger I see is Team D has plenty of billionaires as well. With very different ideas of where to take the country.

  24. Huh?

    There’s a full blown civil war within the DNC that’s, I ague, spilling into the streets, and you’re asking if the GOP can survive Trump?

    The party is a helluva lot healthier and there seems to be a nice crop of candidates coming. I could be wrong.

    I know the cool people here at Reason disagree, but the RNC’s messaging at the convention was on cue and quite frankly exactly what the country needs.

    The RNC is fine.

    It’s the Democrat party and its incoherent retardation and anti-Americanism that has problems.

    1. Putin scripted like half the GOP convention. You people are so far gone it’s like being at a goddamn zoo.

      1. Putin’s crushing it, then.

        1. He’s more pro-American than the Ds I guess

      2. Then Putin is awesome.

        1. Not even FOX News thought that bizarre performance was anything but crap.

          1. It is rather telling that you think a convention that was centered around showcasing every day people and diverse, young Future Leaders of the the party was bizarre. Maybe you’re just upset that the RNC convention featured more diversity and younger leaders than your parties convention. Face it the Democrats are quickly becoming the party of the wealthy and rich old white people.

            1. Hm, I saw a huge number of fat bags of white crap and a few token minorities. The DNC got just about everyone in there from blacks to transgenders to Inuits from Mars, as part of their coalition (blacks are not part of the a Republican coalition, much as Trump May ham-fistedly and condescendingly try to recruit a few).

              1. The DNC is the party of white billionaires and race hustling academics, and if that’s not some sort of superdiverse diversity, nothing is.

    2. Reason:. If we are not gaslighting we must be projecting.

  25. T is good with the (R)uled. The (R)ulers in the Swamp can fuck off and retire.

  26. Trump has rallied the troops and kicked out the RINOs. Good riddance.

    1. I listened to what Chris Christie said about Kasich last week. Good riddance is right. None of the other GOP governors liked him. With Christie referring to him as being ‘exhausting%’ to deal with.

      Let the democrats have these assholes.

  27. Its not a matter of “can the Republican party survive” but of “should the Republican party survive”?

    The GOP has proven over the last two decades (or longer) that it has no spine, no plan, and no real leadership. Trump is the best thing thats happened to the party since Reagan, and thats a sad commentary on the party.

      1. How did the Rs get the Grand Old Party title?
        They’re younger than the Ds by 20+ years

        1. American political perceptions are weird.
          The Rs also began as the emancipation party, while the D’s were the party of slavery and the Klan. The Ds put the Cherokee on the Trail of Tears, created the anti-Chinese laws, put the Japanese in internment camps, ran the Solid South, largely opposed the Civil Rights Act, and stuffed Blacks in ghettos Projects.
          But everyone thinks that they’re the tolerance and diversity.

  28. As is too often the case these days, Reason can’t see the forest for the Trees. You want to talk about THIRD PARTY Candidates? TRUMP is your third party candidate. You want to see CHANGE? Get Trump a second term, free him from the weigh of worrying about reelection, and facilitate the changes you would like to see. Trump is beholden to no party but I don’t doubt his ego would allow him to entertain the idea of being the start of a third party if it’s principles were capitalism, freedom, responsibility, harmony, fair-free trade, etc. He’s not a war monger like BOTH the current parties are, he’s not owned by the elites like BOTH the current parties are. For christ’s sake stop hoping you are ever going to get the fairy-tale called libertarianism to gain traction and start working on something that HAS A CHANCE!!! Trump is your last best hope.

    1. There has been ample reporting about Trump’s warmongering here at Reason, and he is not only owned by elites, he’s owned by a foreign power. Libertarians don’t need a leader so much as they need followers who don’t swallow every lie they are spoonfed by politicians.

      1. he’s owned by a foreign power
        ^This accusation…

        don’t swallow every lie they are spoonfed by politicians
        ^…makes it pretty hard to take this criticism seriously.

        1. It wasn’t a politician who uncovered those facts, it was journalists and investigators.

          1. You misspelled “lies”.

          2. You really are a brainless follower Tony. I would love t be there when this all crashes around.

            Remember Tony, ever delusion has its breaking point.

      2. There has been ample reporting about Trump’s warmongering here at Reason

        Except, you know, for actual wars.

        and he is not only owned by elites

        Can you name the “elites” who own Trump? How do they “own” him? Most billionaires, doctors, lawyers, scientists, academics, politicians, journalists the world over hate Trump. With a passion.

        he’s owned by a foreign power

        Behold: the tin-foil-hat wearing leftist and conspiracy theorist.

    2. Well said, jim.

      Thats the hilarious thing about the doctrinaire Ls who cling to their “both sides” dogma as if their life depends on it – Trump is the 3rd party option. He is anti-establishment. He is the outsider.

      And if you doubt that, just think about how the parties and establishment organs have and continue to react to him

  29. The question is whether the human species can survive the Republican Party. It’s the only significant political party (maybe the only political party period) in the world that denies climate change. (80% of the commenters: “They’re the only ones who are right!!”)

    While the unshowered sister-fucking lunatics here soil themselves in terror at the idea of black anarchy as narrated by Tucker Carlson, the GOP is an anti-intellectual in the extreme (even the Nazis wouldn’t deny climate change), meaning that should any existential crises arise (say, a global pandemic), they will be and are totally incapable of dealing with it. Their failures are totally predictable as a consequence of their epistemic closure, and it’s pretty much full-blown cult now. You know what happens to cults when their prophecies fail to materialize? And they’re the assholes forcing the rest of us to drink the kool aid along with them.

    Also, don’t you idiots see a fucking fascist movement when it plops its fat orange ass on your face? “European” heritage is under threat by the minorities and communists, and that’s why as libertarians we have to support unchecked presidential abuse of power and militarized action against civil rights protests. Oh, can’t see it from the inside, huh?

    They may gain power again, but that will be the end of us. A failed state with 7,000 nuclear warheads. Stick your stupid libertarian heads in the sand and suck your thumbs about the scary blacks all you want, your future won’t be spared.

    1. @Tony:
      Dork. Your solution is bullshit.

      1. Does it need more throwing nuisance people in cages indiscriminately? Tough sell since our side actually cares about legal rights still, but I’ll pitch it.

        1. WTF are you rambling about? Nobody denies climate change, they deny that you know the cause. Don’t say cow farts just because you have so many down there. Pretty sure I saw a graph proving that correlation .
          “…but I’ll pitch it” -That means you’re in the back, right?
          (Don’t want to offend you by saying it wrong. )

          “Oklahoma… It’s full of steers and queers.” -Jimmy Dean

          1. Scientists know what they’re doing, sweet lemon cake. You same evil assholes did the exact same thing when you were still denying evolution. Move the goalpost. Remember when that ridiculous little exercise finally ended once you were nitpicking about bacterial flagella?

            Not to mention, human-caused or no, it’s still a problem. Why does it stop being a problem if it’s not human-caused? Your cheap-ass little rhetorical tactics don’t even want to make any coherent point. You just want it to sound convincing enough to confuse stupid people and keep the oil subsidies flowing.

            1. “Scientists know what they’re doing, sweet lemon cake.”

              Could be, but you’d never know it.

            2. Scientists know what they’re doing, sweet lemon cake. You same evil assholes did the exact same thing when you were still denying evolution.

              Honeybuns, Democrats were the party of fundamentalist protestantism. When Democrats and progressives used science, it was to justify eugenics, segregation, and discrimination. These days, Democrats and progressives make scientifically absurd claims about biological sex, sex differences, economics, inequality, and ways of combating climate change.

            3. Funny, I never denied evolution. I do deny the politically motivated findings of progtard funded research run by progtards that always results in the conclusion that the way to save the world is through socialism.

              Tony, you are an ignorant shit. You know nothing of science, nor do any of your fellow progtards. You’re completely uninterested in science, except as a weapon to force more Marxism on the masses. Which is how you treat everything.

              It won’t end well for you or your kind.

            4. Why does it matter if it’s human caused?

              Because if it’s not, then it’s a natural cycle that destroying our economy and virtue signaling will not change.

              You can’t be this stupid.

        2. Does it need more throwing nuisance people in cages indiscriminately?

          Break the law and you get stuck in cages. That’s true in all countries with any form of government.

          1. And all laws are just, as any libertarian would say.

            1. No, but laws that protect people against aggression of others are just. So laws against rioting are just. Laws against peaceful protests are not. There is a large difference.

            2. So your principle is that if you personally consider a law unjust, then anybody who violates shouldn’t be punished for violating it? Who made you emperor?

    2. Tony has at least SOME sense. Orange man does NOT!

      What else can I say?

      1. As a spaz, you can rant on all you please. No one cares.

      2. You could announce your imminent suicide. Which is the only thing anyone here wants you to talk about.

      3. If it “mAkES seNSe” to Sqrls, then you know it’s delusional.

    3. Yeah but Tony….

      Were you wearing a mask when you wrote all that?

    4. And no. You’re wrong. As usual.

      1. Can you expand on refuting Tony?

    5. “The question is whether the human species can survive the Republican Party. It’s the only significant political party (maybe the only political party period) in the world that denies climate change. (80% of the commenters: “They’re the only ones who are right!!”)”

      When it was a relevant issue, the Holocaust also polled extremely well…

    6. The question is whether the human species can survive the Republican Party. It’s the only significant political party (maybe the only political party period) in the world that denies climate change. (80% of the commenters: “They’re the only ones who are right!!”)

      No, 80% of the commenters: Tony: stop equivocating and lying.

      The simple fact is what the GOP (or America) does or doesn’t do on climate change has no impact on the global climate because the US isn’t the major cause of climate change. And the simple fact is that, while climate change is serious, it is not an existential threat to humanity.

      The rational, scientific response to climate change for the US is: (1) massively increase the use of nuclear energy and gas, (2) promote economic growth so that we can better deal with climate change, (3) kill programs like federal flood insurance so that people move out of at-risk areas, and (4) permit and encourage free market solutions for climate change mitigation.

      The GND is an irrational, unscientific response that will not only fail to have a significant impact on climate change, it will destroy the US economy and our ability to deal with climate change.

      1. So the Republicans’ abject denial of the problem and total lack of policy is better than Democrats offering something that will be inadequate. There inadequate to a problem you say isn’t really a problem.

        I have not asserted that the GND is a panacea or even good policy. I think we should and must go much further. And if you don’t like that this can’t be done with only your GOP lobbyist energy interests and free market will, sorry, that’s your problem. Keep stalling action and the measures will need to be even more draconian. You are destroying the capitalist case by denying the problem. Capitalism is supposed to respond rationally. Of course nobody actually believes it’s capable of dealing with large-scale environmental damage in its own.

        1. So the Republicans’ abject denial of the problem … You are destroying the capitalist case by denying the problem.

          Stop lying. I’m not denying the problem. I’m rejecting the corrupt, ineffective, destructive policies that Democrats falsely claim are solutions.

          I told you what effective solutions are: (1) massively increase the use of nuclear energy and gas, (2) promote economic growth so that we can better deal with climate change, (3) kill programs like federal flood insurance so that people move out of at-risk areas, and (4) permit and encourage free market solutions for climate change mitigation.

          I have not asserted that the GND is a panacea or even good policy. I think we should and must go much further.

          The GND isn’t policy at all; it is fiction. It is a cover under which special interests and lobbies would massively enrich themselves while destroying the US economy.

          Of course nobody actually believes it’s capable of dealing with large-scale environmental damage in its own.

          Ignoramuses like you don’t believe that. People who actually know the economic and political history of the west know that free markets and the increasing wealth they bring are the primary driver behind environmental protection.

          1. Tony just can’t stop lying, even though he’s caught out on it time and time again. It’s pathological.

    7. Everything is so terrible and unfair.

      And nobody is “force(ing) you to drink kool aid”. What a drama queen.

    1. Ranked choice voting would likely ensure permanent one-party rule. Is that what you want?

  30. I think the real question is: “Will Reason survive it’s Trump TDS and stop being a NeverTrump organ?” Trump has massively deregulated the economy (especially the energy sector), has refused to apologize and has consistently defended Western Civilization, and has correctly berated Communism using the example of Venezuela. As near as I can tell, Reason did not give him credit for any of this. Does “Reason” mean the opposite of it’s dictionary term among postmodern libertarians? It sure looks like it.

    1. Today’s Reason has morphed into yesterday’s Pravda.

      1. Pravda’s propaganda was more professional, and more amusing.

  31. The actual lady who did the notable was replaced by Rosa Parks, which would seem to be an example of political staging.

    Vox has some details:
    https://www.vox.com/2015/12/2/9834798/rosa-parks-tired-civil-rights

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  34. I was waiting for someone to bring up that 1848 Whig meltdown.

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  36. On the one hand, we have a politically moderate who takes popular stances, including an anti-war position, but suffers a bit from a potty mouth and political inexperience.

    On the other hand, we have a party that is literally being taken over by socialists, whose presidential candidates are slick but dishonest empty suits willing to push whatever progressive and war-mongering agenda their backers want.

    Which party is in trouble again?

  37. This story glosses over what made the Republican party successful after the Whig party meltdown. The first was they inherited the Whig party apparatus and leadership, they didn’t build up from ground level. Second they absorbed parties with similar goals, Free Staters for example. Third, the built upon these similarities to build a more inclusive party. Fourth, the concentrated on winning lower races. Fifth, when they did run, it was a three way race, between two ideological, regional, poles of the opposition power and their candidate. If the GOP did split, the best hope is combine more small government, pro-market Republicans, Constitiuton party conservatives and the libertarians, and then work on down scale races using the Republican built machine (the LP machinery is nearly non-existent) And then hope the Democratic ideology splits are enough to cause turmoil.

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  40. If the RNC breaks, it’ll be after the Ds do. Best case scenario is every sane person flees the Democrat party, everyone puts the smack down on the radical/socialist leftist revolutionaries, shutting down any debate about moral consensus, and buries the D party.

    In the ashes of the D’s destruction, the Rs split into two parties, because there’s a limit on just how big a tent can be. We can call the new parties the Classical Liberals and the Conservatives. And because we’ve demonstrated over the last 4 years that these two can coexist peaceably with good debate, discussion, and open mindedness, they’d make for a comfortable balancing act between liberty and tradition.

    This is my fantasy pre-Trib world.

    1. And what happens to the 20+% of socialists the Democrats have manufactured through the education system? You think they’ll suddenly become tolerant and peaceful?

  41. this article along with bloviating Andrew Sullivan’s recent article that only a vote for Biden “holds the center in the US” are some of finest example of writing by intellectual dilettantes…the modern Left will fully nationalize the health care system in a second if given a chance, the d’s have far bigger issues

  42. If Bush didn’t kill it, it will survive Trump.

  43. I think it would be easier to reform the GOP than to make the LP a larger force.

    I left the Republicans in ’98 when they impeached Clinton, which I thought was petty and partisan. Trump’s hijacking was probably inevitable as the Party was just drifting.

    I’d like to see it return to fiscal conservatism and make personal responsibility-for people and corporations- a part of the platform.

    1. I was against the impeachment. But Clinton was a liar and a sexual predator.

  44. So we’re just going to ignore how ineffectual the party was before Trump, how it’s reforming to address the challenges of the 21st century and question whether or not it will survive while its the Democrats who are imploding over irreconcilable differences between statists who are best described as anti-Republican and leftists who are basically Marxists.

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