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Stossel: 100 Years of Communist Disaster

This year marks communism's 100th birthday. Its horrors should remind us of the value of freedom.

When communism was first implemented 100 years ago, people were excited. Western academics and media figures at places like the New York Times praised the ideology even as millions starved. The praise continued even as communist leaders murdered political opponents.

Today, some Antifa activists carry communist flags. Some say communism failed in the Soviet Union because it wasn't "done right."

But communism has been tried again and again–in dozens of countries. It always fails. Stossel talks with Lily Tang Williams, who grew up in China, where tens of millions starved to death after government abolished private farms. Lily's father taught her to trap rats for food, but then even the rats ran out.

Somehow she survived, and now she says she never wants to be without freedom again.

She's so passionate about freedom that she ran for US Senate in 2016 as a libertarian.

She says her mission in life is to tell people that life without freedom is awful.

Produced by Maxim Lott. Edited by Joshua Swain.

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  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    John, You forgot all those commies in the United States marching against the this country's wars and for Civil Rights and shit. Horrors, indeed.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Sure, individual commies can sometimes be good people as long as they're nowhere near the levers of power.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    Hey cool! That totally erases the 100 million dead people!

  • Brian||

    I'm glad that communists aren't always required to act stupid in everything.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    Brian,

    You an American? I am. I judge political movements by what they've done here-- not in Russia in the 1930s. If these darn communists in America just stopped being right about how we shouldn't go to war for corporate special interests I'd start condemning them. Otherwise, in a street fight between Antifa and White Nationalists I'm going with Option A.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Yes, because communists are the only people saying that. Also, sensible people do their best to not get into street fights in the first place.

    Legit commies are an even smaller, less-influential political force in this country than libertarians, and that's pretty pathetic.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    You have to admit... we're both pretty much a non-entity.

  • Brian||

    Sorry, but retards earn retard points for being retarded, and retarded economic policies actually deserve scrutiny. We're not really forced to make false choices.

    What's the difference between communists and Nazis?

    Nazi's kill a million people for the master race.

    Communists kill a million people trying to feed them.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    What's the difference between communists and Nazis?

    Nazi's kill a million people for the master race.

    Communists kill a million people trying to feed them.

    David Irving, is that you?

  • Brian||

    You can just say you want to give up and change the subject.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    You mean about the record of communists in America? I could go on for days? Want to talk about the Freedom Riders? You're the one bringing up what happened in the Ukraine in 1933.

  • Juice||

    I didn't realize the Freedom Riders were all communists, or predominantly so.

  • damikesc||

    You mean about the record of communists in America?

    You mean their record outside of absolute obedience to the USSR?

  • Brian||

    Listen, I get it: communists look best when compared to horrible, villainous Nazis, but that doesn't exactly make them Indiana Jones.

  • Radioactive||

    or even Illinois Smith!!!

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    Yawn. Textbook Holocaust Denier stuff.

  • Brian||

    Now you're being honest.

  • damikesc||

    Listen, I get it: communists look best when compared to horrible, villainous Nazis, but that doesn't exactly make them Indiana Jones.

    They don't look any better then, either. They're the gaping chest wound to the Nazis' oozing chest wound.

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 11:21AM|#
    "...I judge political movements by what they've done here- not in Russia in the 1930s..."

    Commie kid admits he cherry-picks, since any honest analysis would clearly make him out a supporter of mass murder.
    I'm gonna go with the honest analysis, you slimy asshole

  • Radioactive||

    Alex
    I'll take "egregious assholes and rump swabs" for $1000..

  • Rhywun||

    LOL. American communists just like European communists were useful idiots egged on by the Soviet Union. Of course they marched against the American side in our proxy wars. If you think they did it out of the goodness of their hearts, you're delusional.

  • Juice||

    If these darn communists in America just stopped being right about how we shouldn't go to war for corporate special interests I'd start condemning them.

    So if someone is right about this issue, then you support their positions in all other issues? That might prove to be difficult.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    The KKK adopted a highway in Georgia or somewhere that one time. If i think it's good for people to pick up litter, then by amsoc's logic, i'm a member of the KKK.

  • Juice||

    More accurately, "they got it right...again."

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    I'm for the side that doesn't resemble the German SA after a makeover.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Hey AmSoc, you and your faggot friends are working round the clock to infringe on our individual rights in favor of collective rights and the lower of the state. Even your so-called civil rights marches are just a means to recruit radical young people for what you really want.

    You're evil, and so are all of the other commie oi cues of shit. As far as I'm concerned you all have a choice. Either renounce every one of your bullshit evil Marxist beliefs, or die. Marxists, and Marxism, have no right to exist. You are existential enemies of the human race, and any semblance of freedom and liberty. If anyone disagrees it's that, just look at the last hundred years of commie antics worldwide.

    Now go drink some Drano with Tony.

  • damikesc||

    You forgot all those commies in the United States marching against the this country's wars

    Well, if the USSR agreed. They weren't too gung ho on stopping Hitler until he attacked the USSR.

    and for Civil Rights and shit. Horrors, indeed.

    One of the most racist political ideologies of all time are "good guys" in your eyes. Cute.

  • colorblindkid||

    There were a lot of devout Christians and free market capitalists who also did those things.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    And they aren't trying to recruit young radicals to subvert the constitution in favor of a totalitarian regime.

  • Azathoth!!||

    You mean the commies marching against the US fighting their comrades? Because that's what they were doing.

    Or are you talking about the commies who turned civil rights marches into riots for the sole purpose of destabilizing the US via racial strife?

    Sure, individual nazis can sometimes be good people as long as they're nowhere near the levers of power.

    Funny how you never hear anyone saying that.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    John,

    Ré: Lily Tang

    She looks ok in that she poses with an assault rifle in front of the American flag, but I'm afraid she might be blind to the various caveats of libertarianism* so I don't know, man.

    Lily Tang Williams
    Lily Tang Williams @Lily4Liberty
    ·
    Oct 1
    My sister in law got a full time job at Walmart but still works at her old job part time to make extra $. What a hardworking immigrant!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    What's the asterisk for?

  • Radioactive||

    you have to ask?

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Yep, I'm constantly in a state of confusion.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    It means the kind of libertarianism that excludes the interests of people crossing borders to look for a job and a better life.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Ah.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    It means the kind of libertarianism that excludes the interests of people crossing borders to look for a job and a better life.

    "Just make sure you get a place to live in the barrio, though, not anywhere near me. I only care about you when you're railing against white people and assembling my restaurant meal."

  • Elias Fakaname||

    It actually failed because it did.

  • DavidS-T||

    By the way, let's not forget that the Bolshevik insurrection would never have been possible if it had not been for the First World War. (If in 1917 you had warned a Petrograd soldier, "Don't bring the Bolsheviks to power! They will kill millions of people!" he would probably reply "and just what do you think this war is doing right now?") The spread of Communism to eastern and central Europe would not have been possible without the Second World War. A Communist China would probably never have come about without Japan's war against China, which fatally weakened Chiang Kai-shek's government.

    To me the lesson is plain that if you really oppose Communism, you should oppose the leading cause of it--and Fascism as well: war.

  • Stephdumas||

    And alsom Lenin said go against the rich guys but ironically got some support from rich guys like Olof Aschberg, a Swedish banker. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olof_Aschberg Is there more than meet the eyes?

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    Lenin also said during WW1 that proletariat shouldn't fight other proletariat for governments that were essentially imperialist. Damn, communists were right again.

  • Stephdumas||

    Ironic to see then Stalin and Trotsky wanted global communism, isn't a disguised form of imperialism?

    Then Valerie Plame once tweeted a tweet about an article about who caused the wars who had put her in hot waters? http://archive.is/ISFis

  • Libertymike||

    Love the portmanteau handle.

    Stalin got the revolutionary survival thing a little better than Robespierre....until the Jewish doctors got to him.

  • Stephdumas||

    Speaking of Stalin, I spotted this interesting archived blog post from the late blog "Mike Smith's Political Commentary" at http://archive.is/N0fHK

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    I spotted this one as another instance of where commies got it right.

    By Mike Smith
    17th of March 2012

    Ah yes. I would love to see the cultural relativists and racial egalitarians explain this one away. In fact I would love to see black South Africans explaining this behaviour to me, because I just cannot even start to fathom this kind of primitive savage mentality.

    I cannot even start to imagine how someone can do this to an animal. What more to say to a human being...!!!

    Funny that when you tell foreigners from Europe about what the truth is about Africans, then they seem to laugh at you. They think you are making up things...yet these reports are from the main stream media in SA...the cases that actually make it into the media. Most of what happens in the rural areas and townships of SA are going unreported.

    You, know...As a white person from South Africa, one always asks, "If they are this cruel and can do this to their own kind, imagine what they will do to us if they get the chance?"

    Maybe after reading this report, people will begin to understand why we had Apartheid in SA. Why we wanted to separate ourselves as far from these savages as possible. – (Sourced from the cached version)

  • Brian||

    Yawn.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    You're right. Talking about how communists made up the vanguard of the Civil Rights movement is boring.

    We should talk more about how concealed carry protects one from mass shootings because one would be able to return fire. That's interesting.

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 12:39PM|#
    "You're right. Talking about how communists made up the vanguard of the Civil Rights movement is boring."

    Picking them cherries seems not to pay enough to cover your mortgage, right asshole?
    "First, Soviet anti-Semitism is a matter not only of social prejudice but of government policy. No one should minimize the wide and deep traditional dislike of Jews among many Russians and Ukrainians which Mr. Morozov eloquently portrays. But decisions to exclude Jews from certain professions (the army, the secret police, the party apparatus) or to establish an organization like the Anti-Zionist Committee of Soviet Society are policy decisions, like how many missiles to deploy."
    https://www.commenta rymagazine.com/artic les/soviet-anti-semitism-2/

    It's fun AND easy; a search for soviet antisemitism gets 13,000,000 results! Imagine how hard it is for the asshole above to ignore that many!
    Why, it probably takes the same sort of willful ignorance it does to deny all those murders!

  • Stephdumas||

    The link is broken. I tried to fix that. https://www.commentarymagazine.com
    And in case if this article is removed, it's archived on Archive.is
    http://archive.is/t8efp

  • Brian||

    Pro-tip: don't wait until communists are starving you to talk about retarded communist economics.

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 11:23AM|#
    "Lenin also said during WW1 that proletariat shouldn't fight other proletariat for governments that were essentially imperialist"

    Yeah, why let others murder millions when he was so good at it.
    Really strong case you're making, asshole.

  • Uncle Jay||

    "And alsom Lenin said go against the rich guys but ironically got some support from rich guys like Olof Aschberg, a Swedish banker."

    Don't forget America's contribution to the Useful Idiot Society, Armand Hammer.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    You mean like how the current crop of commie shitbags have villain billionaires like Soros on their side? There's always a few sociopathic wealthy people willing to sell out the human race. Just as I'm sure if giant intelligent space ants invaded, Soros would probably help round up dissidents to toil for them in their underground sugar caves.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W4jWAwUb63c

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    If 'they' give a war, amd yours is the only side that doesn't show up, then it's 1939 amd your name is Poland.

    It's all very noble sounding to oppose 'war', but somehow every time it has happened in the United States since the end of WWI, the people doing it have been assholes.

  • lap83||

    I have never been to a country where people are so afraid to talk about communism

  • DajjaI||

    Nora Volkow, NIDA director and addiction myth-stress in chief, is the great-grand daughter of Lev Davidovich Bronshtein aka Leon Trotsky, father of Bolshevism. It's no longer the rich people, but your own brain, that is out to get you. Kill you when you least expect it.....

  • Stephdumas||

    Speaking of Trotsky, it was hard to resist to the temptation to turn that photo of him into a meme. https://imgflip.com/i/1wylct

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Stossel looks way too angry holding that cake.

  • BlueStarDragon||

    I voted for Lily,
    But Communism and Socialism are centuries if not thousands of years old leaving behind failed states and bloodshed. Something that was pointed out in The Law by Bastiat.

  • Libertymike||

    Gotta love that ole Freddy B.

  • TGoodchild||

    Trump / Tang 2020

  • DajjaI||

    Paul / Tang 20/20

  • Radioactive||

    poontang...right now!!!

  • Uncle Jay||

    "poontang...right now!!!"

    Remember, you are what you eat.

  • Mauser||

    I thought they ate rats even when they aren't starving

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    That would be weird. Not a lot of meat on them bones.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    I'm going to celebrate the 100th anniversary of communism by placing a candle on its birthday cake for every adherent murdered by the government or their goons for advocating for one's right to join a union or to abstain from fighting for one of its bullshit wars. John, quick question, do you have a bigger cake?

  • Sevo||

    They don't sell birthday candles one at a time.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

  • Sevo||

    So you are selecting by victims now, asshole?
    I didn't waste any time on the false equivalence, but did they include the commies killed by other commies in there? I'm sure that's the largest of the bunch.
    BTW, are you familiar with this?
    http://utminers.utep.edu/omwil.....lacies.htm
    One of these days, if you are to deal with adults, you should learn to fake it and act like one.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    All I can say is that I can differentiate between Angela Davis, Eugene Debs, and Emma Goldman on the one hand and Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot on the other. No one here supports Gulags and Red Terror. Sorry.

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 2:12PM|#
    "All I can say is that I can differentiate between Angela Davis, Eugene Debs, and Emma Goldman on the one hand and Josef Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, and Pol Pot on the other."
    So, as an intellecual cripple, you defend cherry picking? Why is that not surprising?

    "No one here supports Gulags and Red Terror. Sorry."
    You do; you just try to lie about it when you're busted.
    Fuck off, slaver.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    The only good commie is a dead commie. In fact, I'm going to have a new 'Kill a Commie for Mommy' t-shirt made, in your honor, shitbag.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    So, to mourn people murdered ad hoc by governments, you're going to vocally support a type of government that systematically murdered almost 100 million people in under a century?

    Some of us advocate for less abuse by governments, but you do you.

  • Brian||

    I hear that Robert E. Lee was a great guy, too.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    False equivalence. He was fighting to maintain slavery. Communists were fighting to stay out of the Vietnam War. Know thy history.

  • Brian||

    You have to admit, there are certain parallels between the Lost Cause and "Communists are great because they supported North Vietnam!"

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 2:35PM|#
    "False equivalence. He was fighting to maintain slavery."
    So was Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Castro and the NORK tin-pot dictator

    "Communists were fighting to stay out of the Vietnam War. Know thy history."
    Bullshit. They were fighting to enslave South Korea.
    Read some history, asshole.

  • Sevo||

    Correction:
    They were fighting to enslave South Vietnam.

  • buybuydandavis||

    Commies were and are fighting for a worldwide gulag.

    They are vermin.

  • mcsandberg||

    You're going to need acres of cake. The minimum estimate is 100 million killed.

    Atlas Shrugged was supposed to be a warning, Not A Newspaper!

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    Let's see... let's pass the modern day Communist Party position paper through the libertarian pass/fail grading system.

    For Civil Rights: Pass
    For recognition of gay marriage: Pass
    Against excessive militarism: Pass
    Against sending Americans to die in bullshit wars: Pass
    For taxes: FAIL

    Ah, fuck!

  • Incomprehensible Bitching||

    They're just too stupid to realize that Communists are libertarians, too!

  • Sevo||

    Robespierre Josef Stalin|10.3.17 @ 3:02PM|#
    "Let's see... let's pass the modern day Communist Party position paper through the libertarian pass/fail grading system."

    Absent your oh, so careful 'selection', it's fail, fail, fail, fail, and fail.
    Batting a thousand, asshole.

  • timbo||

    Where do you stand on government regulation of business regarding environmental matters and emissions? Should they be involved rather than just enforcing contract law and private property rights?

    How about laissez faire capitalism? That means no government collusion in business, no protectionism, absolute free trade with anyone anywhere under any circumstances as long as both parties are consenting and find equal value? profits to be kept and capital reinvested as the private citizen sees fit?
    Freedom to own a gun of any type?

    Private property rights as a chief tenant to functioning economy?
    Do you think that the previous communist countries just did it wrong?

    How about individual liberty when it comes to prioritizing the individual over any group participation or responsibility? is it possible that collectives do not work because everyone has their own self interest at heart and that is the best way to guarantee liberty?
    Do you think central planning leads to corruption?

  • buybuydandavis||

    Nothing says "civil rights" quite like the gulag.

  • Azathoth!!||

    For Civil Rights (in places other than those under Communist control):
    For recognition of gay marriage (in places other than those under Communist control):
    Against excessive militarism: (...from those trying to avoid coming under Communist control)
    Against sending Americans to die in bullshit wars: (against fellow Communists)

    Fixed that for you.

  • ||

    Don't feed the troll.

    Robspierre is just a Reason intern who has the assigned duty to post contrarian comments in H&R in order to prevent it from becoming an echo chamber.

  • timbo||

    Indeed and painfully obvious.

  • Robespierre Josef Stalin||

    Nope, but that sounds like a good job. Brian, can you hook me up? I have a history here of triggering right-wingers here that show up to pretend they're libertarians.

  • timbo||

    Robes Stalin,
    Please answer my questions above then. I'm willing to have a discussion.
    I also believe we should not be fighting foreign wars and I think we should stop spending money on special interests. Would be interested to know your honest opinions on private property and government collusion in business via regulations. True righteousness would almost have to include absolute liberty correct?

  • Libertymike||

    His honest opinion, I would bet your entire 2017 salary, is that your private property is subject to being taken by the revolution.

  • Sevo||

    timbo|10.3.17 @ 5:33PM|#
    "Robes Stalin,
    Please answer my questions above then. I'm willing to have a discussion."

    You're dealing with a scumbag who dumped his mortgage and probably decided "communism" gave him an excuse for doing so.
    See above: his concept of "principles" has to do with some people who were bosses in schools he went to. I'm sure he'd be willing to tell us that Il Duce meant fascists were great since he made the trains run on time. And given his obvious lack of knowledge, he'd probably think it was original.
    Any "discussion" is going to be "clever" lies and distortions from that asshole.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    We need a constitutionally amendment prohibiting Marxism entirely.

  • Uncle Jay||

    I disagree.
    I think Robspierre should be allowed to post his noxious bullshit.
    I need the laughs.

  • Sevo||

    Uncle Jay|10.3.17 @ 6:06PM|#
    "I disagree.
    I think Robspierre should be allowed to post his noxious bullshit.
    I need the laughs."

    It is amusing that the asshole thinks logic and history are subject to "Calvinball" rules; he simply makes up the rules about what supports his claim and hopes someone is equally stupid enough to accept that horseshit.

  • mcsandberg||

    A hearty Thanx! Mr. Stossel, this was just amazing!

    Now you know why my sig is:

    Atlas Shrugged was supposed to be a warning, Not A Newspaper!

  • Uncle Jay||

    RE: Stossel: 100 Years of Communist Disaster
    This year marks communism's 100th birthday. Its horrors should remind us of the value of freedom.

    Stossel is lying.
    Life was wonderful for the ruling elites running these communist countries into the ground and still is in Cuba and NK.

  • Eman||

    I remember the left being very critical of "american exceptionalism" at some point, but thinking that we will be the ones who finally get communism right is something entirely different?

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