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Stossel: Save the Rhinos!

An entrepreneur has a plan to save the rhinos from poachers, but environmental groups hate his idea.

Poachers massacre rhinos for their horns. Some are carved into ornaments. Some are ground up and sold as medicine. Just one can sell for as much as $300,000.

Entrepreneur Matt Markus co-founded the company Pembient to save rhinos. His plan is to 3D-print fake rhino horns that are indistinguishable from the real thing. He will then flood the market with the cheap fakes, and drive the price so low that poachers have no reason to kill rhinos.

Markus says: "When things are abundant, people don't kill, fight, or steal."

Free markets are often the best way of protecting the environment. South Africa once tried something similar by legalizing rhino farming and the sale of horns within the country. The rhino population quadrupled in just two decades.

But in 2008, South Africa banned sales of rhino horn again. Poaching shot up.

Now outlets like BBC say "the rhino could be extinct within 10 years."

Sounds like an emergency. One would think that the people who want to preserve wildlife would love Markus's idea to save rhinos.

But they hate his idea. Watch the video to see John Stossel confront a representative of the Humane Society about its opposition to Markus's plan.

Produced by Maxim Lott. Edited by Joshua Swain.

Horn Maker documentary footage from Juliette Marquis / Horn Maker, LLC. More info at hornmaker.org

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  • colorblindkid||

    Let's see what prohibitions on objects have ever worked. Guns? Nope. Alcohol? Nope. Drugs? Nope. Prostitution? Nope. The world is too big and the demand is too high to end poaching for good. I think this is clearly a better option.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    Prostitutes are not objects, theys are peoples too.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Colorblindkid treats objects like women, man!

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    I am sure he has a "Special Name" for his Fleshlight.

  • timbo||

    i'm betting that prostitutes are fine being called objects. Or so high, they don't really know.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Prostitutes are people. Naked people with whom you negotiate a price for sex.

  • Dan S.||

    I would expect that they get naked once the price is agreed, and that they have clothes on when they are negotiating. Maybe not a lot of clothes, but some.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    You don't pay a prostitute for sex, you pay a prostitute to leave after you have sex.

  • nverberk||

    Prostitutes are people and have feelings, they need love to.
    Make sure you love your prostitute today.

  • ||

    Yet social pressure alone brought an end to whaling.

  • Ron||

    Sarcasm? because there is still whaling

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    Most of the whaling that still goes on is for minke whales, which are abundant.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I know a few guys that end up shaking on Saturday nights after two many drinks. The kinds of whales they land are plentiful where live.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    two many drinks

    Two is a couple. Three could be many but not very many.

  • ||

    There's still trans-fat, too. I suppose I should have said "effectively brought an end to whaling." Although the economic forces alluded to by folks below were probably a necessary precursor.

  • Galane||

    Commercially viable, superior, synthetic substitutes for whale products, electric lighting and a change in fashions that eliminated corsets are mainly what ended the whaling industry. It became unprofitable.

    No need for whale oil for lamps and lubrication, no more demand for the baleen "whalebone" to stiffen corsets and collars.

  • adampeart||

    Thank you for making my points for me. Saved me a lot of typing.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    My guess is it was that and better fuel sources becoming available. There are places that have a longer history of whaling as a food source, and they haven't been stopped.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    whaling became economically extinct, except in Russia where they have all these ships made for whaling, and in Japan where they like to eat whales [under the guise of "research"] and in Norway where it remains a tradition....

  • adampeart||

    And the injuns of the Pacific Northwest.

  • XenoZooValentine||

    Yeah, pretty sure petroleum brought an end to whaling.

    If we still needed them for lamp oil, nobody would give a fuck about their feelings.

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    Specifically, it was kerosene. But perhaps Michael Hihn can enlighten us. I think he worked on a whaling ship in his youth.

  • XenoZooValentine||

    More aggression from the Reason wolfpack! Help, help, I'm being repressed!

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I heard he has a first edition of Moby Dick with a personal note from Herman Melville, who addresses him as Michael "Pops" Hihn.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Try not to give the guy too hard a time. I'm pretty sure he's bipolar or something. It would explain why he goes from such rapid, prolific, aggressive posting to disappearing for days. If so, I don't envy him. Untreated or improperly treated bipolar disorder is a living hell. My friend' wife just finally got the right combination of medication, therapy, and meditation, yoga to straighten her shit out. It too along time to eat it right.

    Hihn actually isn't a horrible guy to talk to when he's calm, which is unfortunately not always the case. And at least he's not some sociopathic disengenuous piece of shit like Tony.

  • Lester224||

    Maybe he has a life that sometimes interrupts posting for days on end?

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I think he cycles into a low depressive period. I don't really know, but bipolar disorder would explain a lot. And if it's true, I feel bad for the guy. He's not stupid, and some of the stuff he contributes is interesting. It's just not fun to sort through the aggressive stuff.

    I've found that if I make it clear that I'm not attempting to antagonize him he's pretty civil, and carries on a good discussion. Unfortunately, a lot of the time it takes very little to set him off.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    IIRC, the #1 market for whale oil is not illumination, but for a special lubricant unique to jet-turbines.

  • mtrueman||

    "Let's see what prohibitions on objects have ever worked."

    When did you last fuck your sister?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Of all the retarded things you print here, this is right up near the top.

  • ||

    Didn't you know that there were no incest taboos prior to legislative government?

  • Longtobefree||

    Uh, Genesis, Leviticus, Deuteronomy - -

  • Elias Fakaname||

    And all those morbid offspring..........

  • nverberk||

    I am as libertarian as they come and basically believe adults should be allowed to do what they want with their own time, bodies, etc as long as it's not hurting anyone else. But incest is basically a form of child abuse because if you understand the genetics the chances of having really fkd up children is really high. so here the government should step in with laws and say nope can't be having that with a pretty severe punishment (well what I feel is a severe punishment like 6 months in jail plus a couple years' probation and make the offending parties take and pass basic biology and genetics class). I am sure the Sessions/ LEO/prison industrial complex would feel life in prison would be just about right.

  • Galane||

    Should make idiot vegans like the woman in that video take a course on human biochemistry.

  • Miter Broller||

    Full disclosure, I'm a crazy vegan just not as crazy at this nut job! I would like to ask her if the consumption of imitation leather handbags, wallets, coats and boots, as well as, eating fake burgers leads to the killing of more cows? Me thinks not!

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I've eaten a vegan diet, and it can work.p, but you have to be very careful with your food choices. Just like any other kind of diet. I know plenty of vegetarians and vegans that eat shitty food too.

  • mtrueman||

    If you really read ALL my retarded things, I'm flattered. If you have any retarded things you've written which you think are worth reading, point them out. I'll be happy to give them a look.

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    Everything I post here is retarded and nothing is worth reading, therefore you should peruse the full body of my work.

  • mtrueman||

    I read whatever you post in response to me.

  • XenoZooValentine||

    Stop objectifying his sister.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Just because you're the product of incestuous union doesn't mean everybody else is into that, homie.

  • IceTrey||

    It's not illegal to fuck your sister.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I think it actually is in a lot of places.

  • DesigNate||

    I nominate Crusty to do the Google search on that.

  • ChipToBeSquare||

    Is the fact that heroin is illegal the only reason that you aren't doing it right now?

  • King's Ransom||

    God damn you are a dumbfuck. Most men, I wager, abstain from fucking their sister/s not out of respect for local statute but because it's gross. You not knowing this intrinsically is cause for alarm. The laws exist so we as a society can rightly punish nasty motherfuckers for doing gross shit vs a deterrent for said gross shit. Fucking A...

    *alarm sounds*

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    When you've got an "activist" screaming about something, the very LAST thing that person wants is for the problem to be solved. Because then the "activist" must move on and become, ick, an ordinary person; might even have to get a job, which is beneath the dignity of someone who is so "woke"!

  • TrickyVic (old school)||

    They feel they must be the answer. Anyone else's solution is bad since it encroaches on their turf.

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    I think they can't let go even if the solution adopted is exactly what they called for. They just search more and more desperately for some little thing to "prove" that the struggle must go on.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    Their real goal is to be heard, and to communicate that we must not treat ANY animal as a resource. Today it is Rhinos [Christie excepted....] and tomorrow it will be chickens.

  • The Last American Hero||

    Yep. See fracking, which was highly promoted in green circles until it became viable.

  • Galane||

    Hydraulic fracturing has been done for 50 years or more. It's long been a viable method of improving the flow from oil wells.

  • mtrueman||

    A plastic rhino horn is not a solution to the problem to be solved. A goof like you will believe it when an entrepreneur tells you they 'are indistinguishable from the real thing,' but it's not going to fool a knowledgeable buyer. He's not the first person to try to sell fake rhino horn.

  • Microaggressor||

    Of course it's not a solution. That's because there is no perfect solution. It's just the best way that has been devised to make a positive impact on rhinos that actually works. The environmentalist position is premised on a utopian fantasy that people can be convinced not to buy the stuff. That premise is wrong, because people are not so easy to change. In a way, it has a lot in common with Marxism.

  • mtrueman||

    " It's just the best way that has been devised to make a positive impact on rhinos that actually works."

    Based on what? Nothing more than a huckster's say so? So far this plan of his (and that's what this is, a plan) hasn't saved the life of a single rhino.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    So it's a failure because it hasn't been tried yet and it shouldn't be tried because it's a failure?

  • $park¥ leftist poser||

    The market for fake rhino horn would be like the market for fake diamonds, nonexistent.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    I think we may be about to find out that mtrueman is a major player in the poached rhino horn black market.

  • King's Ransom||

    Same goes for fake titties...

  • mtrueman||

    It's an idiotic idea. The people who buy these products are not stupid. If they want to buy fake rhino horn there is plenty on the market already.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    What difference does it make if it fails or not? The guy isn't hurting anyone making fake horns, so it will either have an impact on poaching or it won't. Even if it's stupid, it's his money to invest, not mine. So I say good luck to him.

  • IceTrey||

    It's made of keratin not plastic.

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    That's what she said.

  • Senor Sam||

    It's not enough that they get what they want. You must be converted.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    While I lived in Central Indiana [and no longer do, fortunately] there were many billboards emblazoned with the message that Rhinos were not for our consumption or something along those lines; funny, I don't recall ever seeing a single Hoosier shoot one and then saw off it's horn.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I've never seen or heard of rhino entrees being offered anywhere.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    You know an activist organization isn't going anywhere when they advertise good retirement benefits to prospective employees.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    As I recall there's a guy in South Africa who has been farming Rhinos, harvesting their horns regularly so that they are not tempting to poachers. He isn't allowed to sell thise horns, and every time the subject is brought up the animal protection activists go mouth-foaming nuts.

    We seriously need a major cull of animal activists.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    There was a National Geographic article about that guy recently. The author didn't even pretend to not be horrified. It was so stupid - NatGeo's position was essentially that owning rhinos and harmlessly removing and selling their horns is somehow worse than trying and failing to prevent rhinos from being wiped out by poachers. I think i actually yelled at the magazine, which means the stupidity was transmissible.

  • C. S. P. Schofield||

    I miss the old National Geographic, which could print special recycling issues in which the idiocy of recycling any plastic other than #2 was discussed, and the questionable utility of recycling paper for which there was no market was spelled out.

    Sadly, when a Publication starts to lose middle of the road readership because it has shifted Left, the tendency is to shift ever harder Left and act martyred.

  • XenoZooValentine||

    The only issues I remember vividly are the one about The Microchip, which was actually kind of interesting, and the one with the topless pic of some student in Micronesia, which was also actually kind of interesting beyond the obvious reasons, the obvious reasons being the ones they immediately got angry letters about.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    cancelled my subscription after many years.

  • The Last American Hero||

    Likewise. The leftward drift was too infuriating to handle, as was the attitude of "We don't care if people in poor countries are sick and starving, the most important thing is that we don't let them have GMO's or use fossil fuels and preserve their primitive way of life that has them starving and wallowing in feces."

  • King's Ransom||

    Starving and wallowing in feces is the ultimate goal of progressive thought so why fix it if it ain't broke

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    I vividly remember all the issues that had tits.

  • Galane||

    When Nat. Geo. ran an article on the Chiru, I sent them a letter, practically a short article, about how how the tribes could domesticate herds and shave them to make their traditional shatoosh scarves and other products.

    The magazine published my letter, totally rewritten and simplified down to a single sentence about domesticating the animals. With a reply that it wouldn't be economically viable.

    So the plan to preserve the Chiru is to force the tribes who live in that area near Tibet to give up their traditions, and the poachers should simply stop poaching.

    Chiru hair is super fine and lightweight, highly insulating. A shatoosh scarf is around eight feet long yet weighs only 2 or 3 ounces. The tribal tradition is a man presents it to his bride as a wedding gift and the entire scarf must be able to be pulled through her wedding ring. They kill up to 15 Chiru then scrape the hair off the hides. Before the outside world heard of the scarves, the old ways were sustainable. The tribes are small and the numbers they killed were below the Chiru birth and survival rate.

    But when word got out about the scarves there was demand to buy them, aided by a lie that the tribes made the scarves by painstakingly picking tufts of hair off bushes the Chiru had rubbed on. So poachers moved in.

  • XenoZooValentine||

    We seriously need a major cull of animal activists.

    But they're all bones and taste kind of gamey,..

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    But they're all bones and taste kind of gamey,..

    Not if you kill them right ...

  • Jimothy||

    I smell a subpoena coming!

    What's the right way, and does it involve a wood chipper?

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    But, of course!

  • Robbzilla||

    Look up the Scimitar Oryx in Texas. A douchebag by the name of Priscilla Feral is trying to get the imported herd banned for hunting purposes. This is a healthy herd that's been growing over the last few decades as they're managed by the private ranches that own them. This Oryx is extinct in Africa, and the Texas herd has grown to about 10,000. If Feral gets her way, they'll no longer be economically viable, and will probably become extinct. I saw a video where she said that this was preferable to them being in Texas.

    /smdh

    You can't fix stupidity, folks. Only ignorance.

  • Phos||

    Only if the ignorant will hold still. The willful ignorant will exert more effort to remain ignorant than most will be willing to exert to overcome it.

    Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time....and annoys the pig.

  • ||

    I saw a video where she said that this was preferable to them being in Texas.

    In fairness . . .

  • King's Ransom||

    Adversity fixes stupid it's the only treatment, but stupidity will never remain in remission during the good times

  • Page 7||

    Welcome back feisty Stossel! Really looking forward to these new videos.

    I have always believed that there is some strain within environmentalism that is purely anti-capitalist as their true agenda.

  • Ron||

    environmetalism is great but environmentalist are anti capitalist because capitalism has done more to preserve more environments then they ever have. they are like the government, they don't like competition

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    It's like hunting; the taxes and fees charged on ammunition and licenses, and organizations like Ducks Unlimited, has done more for conservation than the Sierra Club, PETA, The World Wildlife Fund, and any number of ideological and top heavy feelz organizations do combined. National Geographic actually ran a story on that several years back, for what it's worth.

  • mtrueman||

    "It's like hunting; the taxes and fees charged on ammunition and licenses, "

    Licenses, taxes, fees? Some capitalist you are.

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    Those are user fees. That is the libertarian way to fund a government program, if we must have one. Hunting license fees pay for management of wildlife areas and wardens. If you don't hunt, you don't have to pay. Contrast that with the income tax.

  • mtrueman||

    A tax is a tax and a license is a license. Libertarians support these now?

  • DesigNate||

    Libertarian =/= Anarchist

    But then, you already knew that. Idiot.

  • Texasmotiv||

    He may be a bullshit artist but he only draws caricatures.

  • mtrueman||

    Saying yes to taxes is saying yes to market failure. Really I'm surprised at how statist Reason and the commenters are. A good example is the support for the nuclear industry which is up to its eyes in state involvement. A great means of centralized social control so it's not surprising that the only countries to take up Reason's advice are communist dictatorships like China.

  • Lester224||

    Nuclear power is unreasonably popular among cons, despite being up to it's ass in subsidies, because it is not tainted with liberal approval like other non-fossil fuel energy sources are.

    http://www.masslive.com/news/i.....n_tap.html

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I would certainly prefer a non-government solution to wildlife management. However, in the absence of such a solution, I am willing to tolerate the least amount of gernment necessary to do the job,

    And yes, on occasion, SOME government is the right solution. Just not very much, or very often.

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    ^This. I am a conservationist and care about the environment. But all my money goes to organizations like DU, because I know they will actually protect habitat as well as hunting rights. Fuck the leftist cunts at places like the Sierra Club and PETA.

  • ||

    The Sierra Club was actually founded by wealthy CA nativists who wanted to keep the riff-raff out. It was only after the environmentalist movement came along that they said "oh, yeah - we're with them!"

  • mtrueman||

    What's the point of being wealthy if you can't buy privacy?

  • Galane||

    The American and Canadian forests for example. Due to the work of the timber products industry there are far more trees in the forests than there were in the 1800's.

    More lumber was needed so the best way to get it was... plant more trees! They planted on private, federal and state land. Everywhere they had paid for logging rights they planted trees so that in 20 years or so they could cut them down and... plant more trees.

    I bet many of those "old growth" forest areas were bare grassland before the 1800's.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Shhhhh........don't tell Hollywood those things. Corporations are evil, and loggers clear cut the land, killing all the wildlife in the process.

  • ||

    I'm not sure I would characterize it as "within" environmentalism so much as that after the USSR collapsed and a wave of general prosperity overtook the capitalist world instead of the predicted collapse, a lot of anti-capitalists settled on environmental problems as the new face of the "Evils of Capitalism," since the "exploiting the Poor" and "unsustainable" labels didn't really pan out.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    If that chick from the Humane Society wasn't so fucking stupid, I would.

  • geo1113||

    I would still give it a go. I think I can handle the stupid for 5.4 minutes.

  • Cynical Asshole||

    As long as she keeps her mouth shut.

  • geo1113||

    She doesn't need to keep her mouth shut, but no talking!

  • XenoZooValentine||

    *sigh* You guys.

    This is why there are no rhinoceros libertarians.

  • Robbzilla||

    RINOs are often mistaken for Republicans.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I have something to put in her mouth. I'll even put it in there while you're on her. A few rules though, no touching of anything, no eye contact, and no 'friendly fire'. Also, I may be wearing a Thor costume. Don't let that scare you.

  • damikesc||

    I would still give it a go. I think I can handle the stupid for 5.4 minutes.

    ...but the mickey wouldn't knock her out that quickly...

  • Leo Kovalensky||

    She's an envrio-Nazi. Try the rhino tranquilizer instead.

  • Chipper Morning, Now #1||

    I think I can handle the stupid for 5.4 minutes.

    What would you do with the remaining 5.1 minutes?

  • Robbzilla||

    Chew his arm off?

  • King's Ransom||

    5.4 minutes? Let me guess .4 minutes for sexy time and 5 minutes for hiding the body?

  • damikesc||

    Well, his idea won't help these "animal rights groups" to fundraise and keep themselves afloat.

    Like most groups, they are more concerned with self-preservation than the problem they purport to worry about.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    I must admit to being thoroughly confused by the objection to fake rhino horns. They're FAKE.

    You can walk into any Halloween decorations store and buy a fake human skull or a fake human skeleton. Nobody argues that selling such plastic items somehow encourages actual humans to be murdered so their bones can be used for Halloween decorations.

    So how are fake rhino horns completely different? I'm not being sarcastic, I really can't follow this lady's thought process.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Because meeting the demand for rhino horn means approving of the demand for rhino horn, which is Not Okay.

  • Quo Usque Tandem||

    So like providing birth control to teenagers. It may keep them from getting pregnant, but just can't condone premarital sex. They have to sneak off and manage that on their own without me knowing about it.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Without birth control, it's a lot riskier to bang that hot babysitter while taking her home. So birth control is important.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    I guess I come from a harm reduction mindset. But that's why I also scratch my head when stuff like vaping is outlawed or subject to all sorts of crazy restrictions.

    If people were seriously concerned about a problem, whether it's rhino poaching or smoking-related disease, they would JUMP on anything that can really alleviate the problem. Their attitudes reveal that it's really just about social signalling.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Yes.

  • Rhywun||

    It's just like tobacco and not-tobacco. Both look evil, therefore both are evil.

  • Robbzilla||

    Like black plastic rifles?

  • Longtobefree||

    Especially the really dangerous ones with detachable magazines and "pistol stocks", and whatever else I think I can use to take away your rights!

  • ace_m82||

    They're animists. The "good" or "bad" is in the thing itself, not in what people do with it.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    I really can't follow this lady's thought process.

    'Cos, like most Progtards, she does not possess one.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Progtards also lack souls. So they're not really people.

  • mtrueman||

    "So how are fake rhino horns completely different?"

    By being fake. Real rhino horns, on the other hand, are real.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    Yes, because a curved chunk of keratin cut from a dead rhino is qualitatively nothing at all like a curved chunk of keratin pulled out of a machine that was designed for that exact purpose.

  • mtrueman||

    "a machine that was designed for that exact purpose"

    The machine doesn't produce rhino horns. Rhino horns come from rhinos.

  • Galane||

    What's really dumb is that the poachers kill the rhinos hacking off the horns instead of just sawing them off close like the South Africans did for a while. The horns grow back. It's a sustainable harvesting method.

    I thought environmentalists are all over sustainability like syrup on pancakes?

  • King's Ransom||

    If they would refer to them as a "prothstetic" with the goal of making maimed rhinos whole again thus allowing them to be confident at job interviews none of this would be problem. Easy

  • mtrueman||

    You'll find yourself interviewed by Stossel himself if you keep up with such brilliant ideas. Just make sure to call yourself an entrepreneur.

  • King's Ransom||

    Fingers crossed

  • ToCa81||

    Yeah it makes no sense whatsoever. I really don't think his fake rhino horns would sell, since assholes who buy rhino horns probably know how to spot a fake pretty easily, but let him try for fucks sake. It takes a complete lack of logic to denounce this if these people actually consider themselves animal rights activists.

  • Glide||

    Maybe it's shoddy editing or maybe just moonbat syndrome, but I am completely unable to understand what she is trying to say in regards to the fake product. Stossel's whole proposal is dismissed as "a cheap product that does nothing". Well, he said exactly what it does...reduce the price of a real horn. I think she was still too stuck on the rhino farming idea to consider fakes as a separate proposal.

    On the opposite note, I'm curious how well this knock-off horn actually simulates the real thing. It seems, especially in the medicinal regard, that it would be difficult to actually be useful even as a fake.

  • ||

    It seems, especially in the medicinal regard, that it would be difficult to actually be useful even as a fake

    Unless, of course, the medicinal use of rhinoceros horn is limited to the placebo effect, in which case it should work just fine.

  • mtrueman||

    Of course. I wonder why nobody has ever come up with the idea of fake rhino horn before. Or fake Louis Vuitton luggage or fake Cartier watches...

  • Elias Fakaname||

    I have a niece who is FBI, and works in Homeland Security in their bomb squad. When she first graduated the academy, she worked in the Bay Area of San Francisco. They had her help out with an imminent bust of a furniture gallery that was importing counterfeit Versace furniture from China. Which they would present as the genuine article, but sell for about a third of real Versace furniture.

    When they busted the gallery, they did so during business hours, hoping to catch them in the act, so as to have more evidence at trial. The patrons there cluelessly kept asking her when the gallery was going to reopen. It appears most of them did not give a shit if the stuff was phony, as long as they could hoodwink their snobbish friends at the next cocktail party they hosted, all while saving tens of thousands of dollars over the real thing.

  • mtrueman||

    Well, there's counterfeit and there's counterfeit. There's the cheap shoddy knockoffs, but there are also counterfeits that are indistinguishable from the genuine designer article. The factory simply overproduces and channels it off to black markets leaving the designer in the lurch.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    In this case I suspect it's some version of the latter. Either way, I just can't see paying $ 20k+ for a sofa, no matter how good it is.

  • Galane||

    Stossel did one on phony "exclusive" makeup. He found he could order exactly the same formulas as the big name brands, from the exact same factories that make the stuff for the big name brands.

    He could then have the stuff put into whatever containers he wanted, with any logo and decoration - at a fraction of the price.

    Many of those cheaper "equivalent to" or "just like" makeups and hair products are not only close to, they're identical to the expensive product because the same factories make them both.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    This does not surprise me one bit.

  • Citizen X - #6||

    It seems, especially in the medicinal regard, that it would be difficult to actually be useful even as a fake.

    Good thing rhino horn has no actual medical effect, then. At least no more than any other ground-up piece of keratin. A rhino's horn is basically a giant fingernail.

  • Galane||

    More like a hoof, on their head.

  • skunkman||

    Is it really any surprise? The Humane Society don't give a crap about animals.

  • Entropy Drehmaschine Void||

    Please, people.

    The only response necessary to these Animal Liberation Proglodytes is: Chickens ain't never been on no Endangered Species List.

    That Is All.

  • DesigNate||

    Just give them time.

  • Dead inside||

    I can't decide whether Stossel is a douche or a boner. In any case I can't stand him, his goofy look or moronic voice and delivery, As for the substance of his writings and/or segments, it is akin to a high school kid who had 3weeks to do a civics report but waited until the morning it was due and simple wrote a paragraph or two of gibberish, liberally peppered with words like "Liberty" "Equality" "Freedom" "Justice", hoping to cover his ass.

  • Busterpos||

    Stossel is like the fast food of libertarianism. Easy to read, appeals to the masses. His arguments and analysis are very basic but concise and usually convincing. I think he's doing a lot of good in moving the cause. He's one of the people who first introduced me to libertarianish thinking. I then moved on to Milton Friedman, Murray Rothbard, tom woods and the like.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    Yes, and he's a very pleasant agreeable,person. Whether he's on TV, or in his articles. A very difficult person to dislike. Which is why I tend to forward every one of his articles to at least a few oriole I know who need some libertarian education.

  • Dead inside||

    Watch his schitck when he was on ABC 20-20 I believe, you'll have a different opinion of him.

  • I'm Not Sure||

    I should have a different opinion of him because of something he used to do, but doesn't anymore? If you've been paying attention, I'm sure you've noticed that he is quite often critical of his own past reporting.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    He was a big lefty back then. Over time he slowly became libertarian. He talks about this.

  • DrZ||

    "You can't live in a lawless society"

    Whoa - the left believes that the Constitution is an impediment to reaching their Nirvana and she says we cannot live in a lawless society.

    I think I understand if you want to protect yourself from someone else's politics you invoke the law, harassment and all that. When you want to control others by unConstitutional decrees that's ok because you have infinite compassion and wisdom to know what is best for others.

    Got it.

  • LarryA||

    "You can't live in a lawless society"

    Then don't ever try prohibition, given that lawlessness is the inevitable result.

  • Brewer/Expat||

    at 2:20 in the video you see what it's all about. stossel finally hits a nerve, and she says the word "bloodlust" among others. the classic response from the crunchy crowd to statistics and objective thinking is "but i feel this and i feel that!" she's not a bad person and she's trying to do good. she's just wired the way about 35% of the population seem to be wired. this is how it goes with darn near everything, and unless it's really a pressing subject, i just move on quickly and go have a sandwich or something. arguing against someone's feelings is pissing against hurricanes.

  • Texasmotiv||

    Great work Stossel as usual. The part that stuck out to me is where the Humane Society lady said something like "the producers are pushing these products on innocent consumers". That just made my head spin. She has that relationship completely backwards. The consumers are not buying anything they don't want. It's the same mistaken logic behind the idea or "Wage slavery", that someone voluntarily working a job is being oppressed. They work a job that they do not like because they like the lifestyle that it provides or at very least the sustenance that it provides.

  • Galane||

    Or because they were too lazy to learn what they needed in school in order to get a better job, and are too lazy after school to learn anything that would help them get promotions or change to a better job - or start their own business.

  • King's Ransom||

    Poor people tend to live in clusters

  • nverberk||

    Hi Everyone. Been reading and lurking around Reason.com for a couple years but never posted in the comments section. As I think a few of you here feel, the comments section is much better than the actual website and truly gives me a good laugh every day and the last place I actually learn anything anymore. I learn new vocab, history, politics, sociology etc. That is great for me because I live in Mexico with my girlfriend and I have very few friends I can really talk to and I am at a point in my life I don't seem to be learning anything anymore except here. So thanks to all of you, it's a terrible thing when you hit a point in your life that you are not learning very much every single day and it's something I need to work much harder at a remedy. I am PhD scientists, but in my view scientist have become so closed minded liberal bigots that there is nothing that can be openly discussed and I feel I don't learn anything anymore. I have truly become very disenchanted with modern day science at least in the US. At its best it's all money, politics, egos and obsession with publications even if the publications are crap or half the data made up. At its worst modern day science is full of out and out lies and dishonesty and the older senior generation enslaving the younger generation.

  • Elias Fakaname||

    It's sad that the scientists I respect the most these days are all in fiction.

  • nverberk||

    So this is way off topic just wanted to introduce myself. On topic I have always really respected John Stossel. It seems clear to me that many liberals/environmental/statists are much more concerned with controlling everything to their warped politically correct views than any actual outcome that might be positive for mankind, the environment or the cute little polar bears/rhinos.
    Good day!

  • Radioactive||

    thought it said "Save Albinos"...never mind

  • timbo||

    Well john, Marxists are first and foremost clinically stupid.

    And enviro-freaks are first and foremost Marxists.

  • mtrueman||

    "And enviro-freaks are first and foremost Marxists."

    Marxism is all about class war. Why don't you read a book about it? The most Marxist regimes of the world today, Bolivia and Venezuela are hell-bent on exploiting their resources, just like all such regimes that have come before them.

  • Lester224||

    Environmentalist Marxist. The two categories probably overlap somewhere but they are not equivalent.

    Leave "Marxist" for people who have actually read Marx or Engels and agree with it. Those people are mostly college professors in small liberal arts colleges where they need safe spaces.

  • AD-RtR/OS!||

    This is a good idea, but an even better one is to use the same scheme that has saved African Elephant herds:
    Invest ownership of the herds with the local tribes, giving them skin in the game.
    They regulate the hunting, and skin the poachers.....it works.
    Just ignore the enviros, since they're generally unwilling to put their money where their mouth is.

  • rageon||

    Our society would rather punish bad behavior than use common sense to prevent it.

  • Inquisitive Squirrel||

    Great piece!

  • macsnafu||

    I love Stossel's simple and straightforward approach. And this video makes it clear that environmentalists and wildlife protection societies really want to change peoples minds about animals more than they actually want to protect animals. Bye-bye rhino. Better to be extinct than to be considered a "commodity"!

    But one thing the video didn't make clear is why South Africa banned poaching again, if the legalization was working so well???

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