Noah Smith: I Owe Libertarians an Apology
The econ blogger explains why libertarians might have been (kind of) right all along—and why our ideas are more necessary than he thought in the age of Trump.
Noah Smith, an economic commentator and Substack writer, once dismissed libertarianism as a relic of the past. But in a political climate increasingly defined by populist protectionism and authoritarian rhetoric, he's reconsidering. "There are worse monsters than the market," Smith recently wrote.
With Reason's Zach Weissmueller and Liz Wolfe, Smith explores the evolution of his thinking—from criticizing "thin libertarianism" focused solely on state coercion, to advocating for a more expansive, "thick" conception of liberty that accounts for institutional and corporate constraints as well. He also discusses how libertarians might shape political discourse despite being exiled from both major parties.
Sources Referenced
- "I owe the libertarians an apology," by Noah Smith
- Just Asking Questions with Derek Thompson: Democrats Must Change
- Just Asking Questions with Michael Beckley: China is Dangerously Weak
- Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer on tariffs
Chapters
- 00:00 Reflecting on libertarianism and Donald Trump's rise
- 06:00 Revisiting financial regulation and the housing crisis
- 11:00 Thin vs. thick libertarianism
- 17:00 Censorship, coercion, and the role of private platforms
- 29:00 Tariffs, trade, and the antineoliberal left
- 37:00 The shifting power dynamics in the Democratic and Republican parties
- 45:00 Political homelessness and the libertarian intellectual wilderness
- 54:00 Industrial policy, mRNA vaccines, and the role of government
- 1:01:00 China, manufacturing, and national security
- 1:10:00 Argentina, Javier Milei, and libertarian governance in practice
- Producer: John Osterhoudt
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Maybe he would be better off focusing on results and principles than labels.
He absolutely would be, but that's not his bag. It took all of two minutes to realize this guy is a fucking party hack trying to pose as literally anything else now that Democrats are beyond toxic.
He's from that Jared Polis wing of the Libertarian party. And he's getting similar coverage from Reason.
Why is reason trying to prop up Marxist totalitarian?
>>why our ideas are more necessary than he thought in the age of Trump
your ideas lol. which you, the one everyone likes or the one everyone laughs at?
Yeah. Laughed at that assertion as well.
Then again foundation reason and cato have been bought off by the left.
The left really is a cancer.
How’s your great uncle doing?
Does everybody laugh at libertarianism because they know that the only two serious choices are Marxism and Christian Nationalism?
Trump, who had turned conservatives into leftists, is now turning leftists into libertarians. Wow. Just.... wow.
And he turned you into a parrot.
Nah, parrots are smart.
Smarter than penguins?
So you're implying you're a Noah style liberaltarian?
Is Noah also a retarded drunk?
Yes.
How’s your great uncle doing?
Nobody is turning leftist into libertarians, they are fundamentally incompatible.
This guy blamed trump for california's homeless problem
https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/comment-homelessness-was-on-decline-until-we-changed-course/
He has a PHD in economics and either doesn't understand what a moral hazard is or if he does can't recognize one even if it is taking a shit on his front stoop. Of course, reason loves this guy. He could be the gay Fonzi's son.
So this is the economist sarc tests.
Economists are allowed to be dead wrong once per quarter. It's in the job description. If they can go two quarters without a drastic prediction failure they post it on their LinkedIn bio and the job offers just roll in. This guy would probably do well to keep his mouth shut and concentrate on his portfolio. But he's probably fucked that up too. Time to short Tesla! Oh fuck. It's a dismal science practiced by dismal people.
Noah Smith is the picture of the globalist establishment hack. There is literally nothing on his substack that you couldn't find in the Washington Post. What amazes me about these neoliberals is that they just can't give up smelling their own farts. No matter how many times they fail and how much damage the neoliberal establishment does to the world, they can't ever admit any fault or that anyone else could have a valid point of view. This is how Smith describes himself
I’m just a guy who writes about economics. Blogging has been my hobby for about 12 years; before that, I was an economics PhD student at the University of Michigan, then an assistant finance professor at Stony Brook University, then an economics columnist for Bloomberg Opinion. I left Bloomberg in late 2021 to do blogging full time. Before doing my PhD, I grew up in Texas, studied physics in college, and lived in Japan for three years.
Someone who has never spent a single day in the real world or had a real job. He hasn't even worked in government. He is a guy who made his entire life one of telling his professors what they wanted to hear and buying into every establishment and neoliberal belief.
Hands are soft as butter and never had to close a sale or meet a payroll.
I googled Noah Smith.
This is what "people also searched for" found
Matthew Yglesias
Nate Silver
Richard Hanania
Paul Robin Krugman
They all look the same. Squishy white guys.
it's like a database for whom to cite in the roundup
It all makes sense now.
Another leftist circle jerk.
How’s your great uncle doing?
FINISH HIM!
Smith thinks Japan, South Korea, and Poland need nuclear weapons now.
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/japan-south-korea-and-poland-need
If there is one constant with these sorts of people, they love war and murdering people. They are always 98 pound weaklings who have never been in so much as fist fight and love sending other people to die in wars.
Wow Liz is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/the-pundits-dilemma
He is predicting that Trump is going to deindustrialize America. That one should age well. Jesus what a douchebag.
This is great. According to Smith Biden's two failures were
Prioritizing the power of special-interest groups over the good of the public
Refusing to address regulatory barriers that inhibit government action
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/bidens-tarnished-industrial-legacy
The problem with the regulatory state is that it inhibits government. Yeah that is it. Government just isn't powerful enough.
This guy is a riot. It is like you took Chatgpt and told it to "create an economics pundit that thinks everything they see on MSNBC and read in the NY Times is the gospel truth".
FLAWLESS VICTORY!
he is an avowed Krugman acolyte
Wow.
Oh my God, it is the Paul Krugman Noah Smith Podcast episode. It is so horrifying, but you can't look away.
https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/paul-krugman-and-noah-smith-have
his columns at Bloomberg were similarly horrifying ... he should be relieved most of them are stuck behind a paywall
Thanks, but that feels like visiting public washroom stalls just to see what the people who didn't flush left behind.
I’m shocked they didn’t have a literal circle jerk.
How’s your great uncle doing?
He is the ONLY pundit consistently as stupid and wrong as Mattyglesias. I'm unsurprised to see he's a Reason fave.
Noah, you need an apology to Economists.
National Assoc of Home Builders
on average, regulations imposed by government at all levels account for nearly 25% of the price of building a single-family home and more than 40% of the cost of a typical multifamily development.
Now how does that happen that Congress doesn't see this? It can only be the advice of economists, really bad economists that the good economists just let spout nonsense. Paul Krugman for example
https://www.heritage.org/housing/commentary/how-bidenomics-wrecked-americas-housing-market
Only tariffs add costs. We've been through this. Do I need to link to Boehm?
Bu that only one way !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So depends whose bat is being used at the corner lot baseball game
The job of Congress is to create more laws. Not to undo them.
And you think they should be the ones cutting spending.
Congress can and actually as undone laws dumdum.
Sarc is like a colostomy bag in human form. A leaky colostomy bag getting his shitty thoughts all over everything.
He doesn’t care about making sense.
Usually that is done by taking 2+ laws to undo the so-called bad law
The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, is a long law. The core law, as published in the Statutes at Large, covers 906 pages. Additionally, there are thousands of pages of regulations and guidance that further clarify and implement the law.
With Reason's Zach Weissmueller and Liz Wolfe, Smith explores the evolution of his thinking—from criticizing "thin libertarianism" focused solely on state coercion, to advocating for a more expansive, "thick" conception of liberty that accounts for institutional and corporate constraints as well. He also discusses how libertarians might shape political discourse despite being exiled from both major parties.
Um, this is what I have been discussing for years now. What I called "Libertarianism Plus"-- also Woke Libertarianism, Social Justice Libertarianism, or Woke-Adjacent Libertarianism.
Anyhoo, I gotta be honest with you, this Noah Smith dude sounds like someone who glommed onto Biden, realized that was a colossally fucked up position to find oneself in, and is now flailing about looking for 90s center left agree-to-disagree sideline sitting types. Well done and welcome to beltway Libertarianism.
I checked out his block and did a quick ctrl-f. Trump was an easy target-- he's kind of obsessed with Trump in a TDS sort of fashion, and his complaints about Trump seem rather bog-standard. One may agree with him, but you're not going to see or read anything new there. But I was curious to wonder what he thought about Biden. Like my hometown newspaper, you'd be forgiven if by the measure of his blog, you didn't even know Biden was president, but there are a few:
So, Reason, why does this back-slapping, glass-clinking alliance not surprise me... at all...
Jeff literally called it socialist libertarianism a few years ago.
Think about this dude in the most non-judgmental, non-partisan way you can. Take off your partisan blinkers and think about this:
Biden's legacy: a summary
Why the best President of my lifetime might get misremembered as a bumbling caretaker.
I simply can't take someone who graduated from Stanford University in 2003 seriously when they write this collection of words and syllables and put them in the order he did. Seriously... not Barack Obama? Not Bill Clinton? He seriously thinks that a fumbling, bumbling serial fabulist who was known for corruption when he was fully in control of his faculties-- physical and mental-- but is now completely divorced from those things, since well before 2019... he thinks Biden is the best president of his lifetime? I can complain or disagree with both Bill Clinton and Barack Obama in a number of areas: Policy failures, genuine nasty acts done either by them or in their name, and stylistic faults... but Biden? Biden? The Democrats made fun of Biden as far back as the 1980s. Hell, Barack Obama didn't think he was the greatest Vice President of the 21st Century!
Oh, by the way, Jeff isn't on to nothing. There is an actual thing called Libertarian Marxism. I've explained it numerous times in the comments over the last 8 or 10 years.
Maybe you have but LOGICALLY any combination of two ideologies that exist independently and are then combined will generate at least 4 variations
Marxism dominant
Libertarianism dominant
Libertarianism-Marxism bastardization
Both sublimated to a higher allegaince as in the Sandinistas
"The Sandinistas, who overthrew the Somoza regime in Nicaragua, were influenced by both Marxist and Catholic ideologies. They drew on Marxist ideas of class struggle and liberation theology, a branch of Catholic thought that emphasized social justice and the plight of the poor. Sandinista leaders like Carlos Fonseca and Tomás Borge saw their revolution as aligned with the Catholic concept of the "preferential option for the poor" and even viewed it as an extension of their faith. "
So explain all you want, no 2 Libertarian Marxists will ever agree except by the Iron Fist
In the 'Age of Trump' - not in the 'age of whoever is the next Democrat President'. Once that person is in office the libertarians can pound sand (assuming we don't put them against the wall) and its full-speed ahead with cultural marxism.
High is why they should be put up ageism the wall, and subsequently in landfills.
How’s your great uncle doing?
I'm gonna buck the trend here, but I like that Liz and Zach seem to be willing to talk to anybody (even retarded leftist), at least as much as I've perused the podcasts.
That is taken by most of us as a lack of discriminatory faculties.
I mean "Noah Smith" ?
IF I am wrong please correct me . at one point he said
"Congestion pricing in NYC seems to be working well so far. Great example of market mechanisms in action."
And then he posted somewhere that the thousands of pages and the 3 years work made CP a horror.
If you are over 30 and this is like a surprise, well you just aren't awake .It doesn't take being a Libertrairian to see this.
It will be of little avail to the people that the laws are made by men of their own choice if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood.
James Madison
"Yes, lockdowns were good" author Noah Smith, can burn in hell. He is is a grifter who was wrong then and will go on being wrong. He and the rest of lockdowners owe me alot more than an apology, so he can shove it up his ass.