Does It Matter What College Kids Say About Israel?

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Does It Matter What College Kids Say About Israel?

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Nick Gillespie, and Peter Suderman continue to survey the Israel-Hamas war a little over a week after the conflict began. They also discuss the array of U.S. reactions to the clash.

2:19: Israel-Hamas conflict continues apace

28:06: U.S. response to the conflict

37:25: Weekly Listener Question

44:58: The search for the next speaker of the House continues.

49:09: This week's cultural recommendations

Mentioned in this podcast:

"Blaming Hamas Shouldn't Mean Ignoring the Palestinians' Plight," by Bonnie Kristian

"Ice Cream Truck Morgues," by Liz Wolfe

"Max Abrahms: Historic Escalation in the Israel-Hamas War," by Zach Weissmueller and Liz Wolfe

"Israel Eases Guns Restrictions Amidst Security Failures," by J.D. Tuccille

"Another Hostage Crisis Bedevils an American President," by Matt Welch

"Memo to Speaker Boehner: If You Won a Congessional Majority Because You Pledged to Cut Spending and You Can't Think of a Single Program to Cut Now, Please Go Home," by Nick Gillespie

"9/11's Lesson: War Doesn't Work," by Nick Gillespie with Stephen Wertheim

"Biden's ATF Can't Stop Cody Wilson's Ghost Guns," by Zach Wiessmueller and Nick Gillespie

"3D Guns Advocate Cody Wilson is About More Than Weapons and That's What Most Frightens People About Him," by Brian Doherty

"5 Other Fake Indians Besides Elizabeth Warren," by Nick Gillespie

"A Radical Takes the Stand," by Katherine Mangu-Ward

"Baby Boomers Are America's Sith Lords," by Nick Gillespie

"American Confetti," Mad magazine's original 1974 parody of American Graffiti

A live Reason Interview podcast taping with Greg Lukianoff and Rikki Schlott on Monday, October 23, in Manhattan.

Send your questions to [e-mail]. Be sure to include your social media handle and the correct pronunciation of your name

Audio production by Ian Keyser; assistant production by Hunt Beaty.

Music: "Angeline," by The Brothers Steve

What are we consuming this week?

Nick Gillespie

• Death Athletic: A Dissident Architecture, directed by Jessica Solce

Peter Suderman

• Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour

Katherine Mangu-Ward

• The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson

Matt Welch

• American Graffiti

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[A Thinking Mind]

Does it matter that college kids want people fired for comments made on Twitter?

Does it matter that college kids think men don’t deserve due process or the right to cross examine their accuser?

Does it matter that college kids think that America is inherently racist and needs structural reorganization toward equity in order address historical wrongs?

Yes. We’ve seen dangerous political ideas fostered on college campuses that have matriculated out into the real world, precisely because people said, “They’re just college kids, they’ll grow up.” If nobody actually confronts them with the real world, they’re going to continue pushing to undermine liberty and advocate for terrorism in “justified” cases.

How big a leap is it, if you accept this, for college campuses to start cheering on, say, black people driving SUVs through Christmas Parades in the name of historical injustices?

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

You sound like someone who would prefer educated, modern, younger Americans to be racist, gay-bashing, superstition-addled, old-timey clingers.

Losing a culture war has consequences; right-wingers should be trying to persuade better Americans to be magnanimous in victory.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

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[Sevo]

Fuck off and die, asshole bigot.

[DallasCynic]

We have seen executives hounded from their jobs for contributing to legal political campaigns that "offend" and "trigger" the left.
We have seen a student (one of many) expelled from law school as a result of a lie told by a woman who is now shilling for Dove soap/

YES, the college "kids" who protest for terrorist causes, rip down posters of victims of terrorism, attack those who peacefully carry the flag of one of our staunchest allies and others should be fired, cancelled and driven from their jobs and prospects.
When it was done to others, it was called "justice." Now it's time these terrorist sympathizers and their "professors" are fired, cancelled and driven from the public square.
No restorative justice, just revenge as they did to the right.
They taught these tactics. Now we need to show we have learned well

[Don't look at me!]

It only matters if you think about the future.

[MasterThief]

It's a stupid question even then. These retards can vote and are actively being pandered to by politicians

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Imagine when they themselves become politicians, and tremble.

[Idaho-Bob]

AOC is a perfect example.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

AOC was a bartender.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Bartending is a much more noble profession than being a politician.

[SRG2]

So fucking what?

[VULGAR MADMAN]

You into donkey teeth?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

So fucking what? It's not college kids you have to watch out for, it's BARTENDERS! Do I have to make myself any more clear?

[SRG2]

Was that all she did? Did she drop out of HS as an indifferent student and then work as a bartender? Or did she do something else?

There are plenty of grounds for criticising her, but working as a bartender isn't one of them - unless you're a fuckwit.

[damikesc]

I saw them saying her being a bartender is more noble than being a politician.

I'm not seeing insults towards bartending.

[Rev Arthur L kuckland]

Aoc "got a degree" in "economics" from nyu.

[SRG2]

She graduated cum laude from BU. So evidently she's smarter and better qualified than you.

[swillfredo pareto]

So evidently she’s smarter and better qualified than you.

She is on the record with hundreds of economically illiterate and philosophically ignorant statements. Please provide any quote or academic publication from her that would provide a reasonable man enough information to believe she could remotely be considered "smart".

For whatever it is worth, she is a stain on BU's academic excellence, not NYU's.

[DesigNate]

I’m sure she thinks she is.

(Hell, she might be since she learned how to game the system while us poor schlups are actually working for a living.)

[NOYB2]

To graduate from colleges these days, all you need is to spout politically correct phrases; intelligence, skills, or knowledge are not required.

[damikesc]

"She graduated cum laude from BU. So evidently she’s smarter and better qualified than you."

That is not evidence of anything.

Higher education produces people so profoundly stupid that the merely uneducated cannot hope to keep up with their level of idiocy.

[Mother's Lament (Kol Nidre to Rabbi Misek)]

Today's college students are tomorrow's attorneys and HR department heads.

[Beezard]

It’s like that footage of Yale law school students having emotional meltdowns at hearing forbidden arguments. Hell yes, that’s going to matter.

[JeremyR]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's not good for society when people openly celebrate the torture, rape, and murder of Jews.

It's especially bad when those people doing so make up your elite/ruling class. These are people who are going to be in the government, the media, and top management of business and law firms.

It should not be too difficult in saying that violence is bad, except in self defense. And once you cross over into torture and rape on someone else's land, you've given up all claims of self-defense.

[BigT]

They certainly deserve to suffer temporary ostracism from society. So they should only be admitted to the nation’s worst college : Harvard.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

There’s a wall that needs building you know.

[Public Entelectual]

You give Harvard too much credit. That honor belongs in Trump's back yard, where Queens Community College boasts a four-year graduation rate of 4.7%

[JesseAz]

Maybe they should inflate grades like Harvard does.

[Sevo]

Stopped pitching your fake web site?

[Public Entelectual]

Dream on.

[Vondy]

Did it matter that German youth in the 1930's and 1940's recited Nazi propaganda and marched through the streets chanting pro-Nazi, anti-Jewish slogans? Because, that's basically what you are asking.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Which countries are college kids allowed to say bad things about?

Any of them? None of them?

Please explain.

[Public Entelectual]

Nueva Grenada, Rio Muni, The Condominium of the New Hebrides, Konigsberg, Burkina Faso, The Independent Khanates of Chinese Turkistan.

[Sevo]

So you don't know. Not surprised.

[Public Entelectual]

Have you considered emigrating to Rio Muni to take up a career in giant frog ranching?

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Which countries are college kids allowed to say bad things about?

Countries with Jews.

[VULGAR MADMAN]

Now what about college kids who want jobs on Wall Street or Hollywood?

[Eeyore]

Not sure that is as true as it once was. Even the demographics of those 2 industries has changed quite a bit.

[JesseAz]

They are adults. Undergrads 18 to 21. The law students 22 to 25. They aren't kids.

[Mike Parsons]

^ they are either within spitting distance, or just starting to grasp the reins.

AOC is a famous, respected politician, among the left.

[DRM]

You know, I could be convinced of the proposition that "Undergrads are kids, which is why the voting age and age of majority should be returned to 21."

[Ersatz]

make that 25 or 26

[MWAocdoc]

Adulthood is not defined by age. It is defined by the personal acceptance of responsibility for one's actions. There are many who became adults at age 13 and also many who have not yet become adults at age 33.

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

Does It Matter What College Kids Say About Israel?

Only if it matters to you what's required speech during your next HR sensitivity training ten years from now...

[MWAocdoc]

It matters what everyone says about Israel. It matters what everyone says about Hamas. More importantly it matters what citizens vote for.

[mad.casual]

It doesn't matter unless they [checks notes] "vilify public servants who are simply doing their job" or make "public statements attacking witnesses, specific prosecutors, or court staff members".

[Mike Parsons]

"It's just college kids, who cares what those crazies are up to" are exactly what the Tony's of the world told us for the last 3-4 decades, and have resulted in HR boards and major corpos falling all over themselves to force insane ideologies such like CRT, neosegregation, open marxism, and transgender fever onto, now, every part of the culture including as young as Kindergarteners...

So yes, it absolutely fucking matters that the current crop is very sympathetic to blatant terrorism.

I would imagine, back some time, there were similar articles in pre-Mao China, pondering "does it really matter that these college kids and youngsters seem to have pretty concerning takes"

[Diane Reynolds (Paul.)]

It's also exactly what Norman Finkelstein thought, and then he recently came to his senses.

[MWAocdoc]

That is not logically consistent. First you would have to demonstrate a cause-and-effect relationship between what those college kids thought and what they did on HR boards and in major corporations. Next you would have to demonstrate that if they had not said those things in college then they would not do those things in their later careers. Not saying it’s not true, just saying you have not proven it to support your opinion.

[Roberta]

No. Does it matter what Israel says about college kids?

[Roberta]

If it helps stop people from enrolling, so much to the good.

[CE]

And stop donating:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12636779/billionaire-UPenn-Harvard-Palestine-Israel-funding.html

[Earth-based Human Skeptic]

"Does It Matter What College Kids Say About Israel?"

News flash! College students are idiots, and what they say does not matter. If they have the time and resources to act on what they say, then we have coddled them too much.

[CE]

Well, if college kids spend 4 years complaining that words are violence and preaching tolerance and safe spaces, and then turn around and endorse murder and rape of innocent and defenseless women and children based on their religion, it kind of makes you question their sincerity, and whether they are the type of people you would ever want to hire. And the fact that the murderers and rapists believe pretty much the opposite of the students' woke ideology makes it even harder to understand.

[SQRLSY One]

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[Commenter_XY]

Yes, it matters what these young adults (they are not children anymore) are saying; they merely reflect what they were taught at home, and in school. We reap what we have sown.

[MWAocdoc]

I disagree that they merely reflect what they were taught at home and at school. I suspect that the greatest influence upon what they say as college students is the desire to fit into their social group.

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These ungrateful brats will become tomorrows leaders . That’s the point of indoctrinating now . 1960’s radicals paved the way for all of the woke ideas prevalent today .

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[MWAocdoc]

Didn't you get the memo? Indoctrination doesn't work! Neither does brain-washing. The failing and flailing Roman Catholic church with their dwindling adherents is a perfect example.

[AT]

I think you'll find there's a real obvious and different reason for that particular phenomenon.

[LIBtranslator]

Woke is semiliterate conflation of "sensitive, concerned and aware" we used to tease the commies with when Petr Beckmann was on the Reason board. What they (SDS, YIP) did was turn the Dems into a bolshevic party and get Nixon elected. Only then did actual liberals and objectivists organize the LP to end prohibition and stop enslaving women. Both kleptocracy factions promptly began dumping their dejecta on the LP as infiltrators and now even Reason is awash with anarco-fascists who have never read the original, fast-multiplying LP platform.

[NOYB2]

Does It Matter What College Kids Say About Israel?

It doesn't matter, provided we can ensure that the fascists and neo-Nazis among them don't go on to important jobs in government, finance, or industry.

[mad.casual]

Does anyone else get the sense that this is hedging towards "Does it matter what primary and secondary school students say about forced gender conversions?"?

I mean is everyone involved in this story so brain damaged as to have forgotten that it sure as hell mattered what Nick Sandmann *didn't* say? Robby practically built a career out of the fact that the Biden (then Obama) Administration cared way too much about what, allegedly, 1 in 4 college students had to say. You guys remember Robby, right?

[dougwesterman]

Harvard's total enrollment is around 24,000. Of course some students will express these ideas, but how many? A few are strongly anti-Israel; probably more are strongly pro; then there are all sorts of gradations in between. Many of these organizations have a relatively small membership roster; the number of actively involved ones is smaller still. After they graduate, it is up to those who contemplate hiring them to decide how much it matters to them.

[Analogia Entis & eggroll]

So you buy that 'non-profit but with $50 Billion endowment" stuff.

"Topping the list at nearly $50.9 billion at the end of fiscal year 2022, Harvard has the largest endowment among National Universities, according to data collected by U.S. News in an annual survey. Yale University in Connecticut has the second-highest endowment, totaling nearly $41.4 billion.

Both of these Ivy League schools have higher endowments than the gross domestic product of some countries, including Nicaragua, Iceland and Senegal, per World Bank data."

[wwgslot]

Yes. We’ve seen dangerous political ideas fostered on college campuses that have matriculated out into the real world, precisely because people said, “They’re just college kids, they’ll grow up.” If nobody actually confronts them with the real world, they’re going to continue pushing to undermine liberty and advocate for terrorism in “justified” cases.

[Analogia Entis & eggroll]

I smell a lawyer.
What are the differences between these 2 statements
Does it matter?
Does it matter if it matters?
If it didn't matter you would not ask "Does it matter what college kids..."

anyway , we are back at the Libertarian blind spot. Mom and Dad decide that ,not you.They are paying the horrendous big bucks

During the 2021/2022 school year, the average parent covered about 43% of their student's college costs using income and savings.Aug 16, 2023

Signed, A Parent annoyed at your callousness

[I woke up when Hillary talked about Reconstruction]

On my dime it does!! And it aint a dime, it is tens of thousands of dollars.

[LIBtranslator]

Thanks for the spoiler consumables list. More than once I've listened to Peter or Nick go on and on about some movie until--like Biden--I no longer had any idea what show they were plugging.