Eli Lake: Exploring the Darkest Corners of the Deep State
The journalist and podcast host on foreign policy, democracy, and habitual law breaking by the NSA, CIA, and FBI

My guest today is Eli Lake, a repeat guest who for almost 30 years has been one of the country's leading national security journalists, working as a columnist for and contributor to publications such as Bloomberg Opinion, The Daily Beast, The New Republic, The New York Sun, and Commentary. His 2010 article for Reason, "The 9/14 Presidency," strongly argued for time-limiting all authorizations of the use of military force, especially those involving amorphous struggles such as the global war on terror.
In recent episodes of his podcast, The Re-Education, Lake has conducted deep dives into the dark histories of the National Security Agency, the CIA, and the FBI and how they routinely disregard constitutional limits on their activities. At a recent event in New York City, I talked with him about the fundamental tension between America playing an outsized role in world affairs and having secretive agencies that often keep Congress and voters in the dark about their operations. Can democracy and self-governance survive in such an environment?
Previous appearances:
"Eli Lake: Trump, Russiagate, and the End of FBI Credibility"
"Should Anyone Be Offended by Ye? Live with Eli Lake"
"How the United States Can—And Cannot—Help Iranian Protesters"
"The Deep State's 'Political Assassination' of Michael Flynn Was an Epic Abuse of Power"
"Bradley Manning Trial Discussion: The Verdict Approaches"
"The Reason.tv Talk Show, Episode 3"
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Speaking of the darkest corners of the deep state, Biden just announced they found another accounting error (notice which direction it goes) allowing him to send a few more hundred million to Ukraine. But what I REALLY want to know is, did Janet Yellen get High? Hunter S. Thompson wants to know!
What if someone were taking ungrateful pot shots at the persons hosting the forum they hang out in free of charge every day in a forest. Do they make a sound?
Gee, Laursen, if it's so bad, how about you leave instead.
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Seriously, time to go fuck yourself you self-appointed, white-knighting thread policeman.
Reason isn't just some "forum hosted by the writers". It's a foundation that's been financially supported by many posters here for decades. If members current and former want to bitch that their magazine has been hijacked by a billionaire and some establishment progressives, they have every right to.
Mike... are you okay. Reason used the term deep state? Did you cry a lot?
Sounds like another laursen victimhood narrative.
This is an article:
Cannabis use disorder is ‘common’ among marijuana users, study finds
I wonder if there's another word which we give these types of "disorders"?
Munchies?
If that word is “addiction”, you are posting from ignorance. Marijuana is not addictive. Federal agencies that say otherwise have been ignoring the science for decades – and their lies are finally catching up with them, so they’ve changed to “disorder”. What _they_ have is a Fascism disorder, and the only person I know of who was ever successfully treated for that was Mussolini.
In Canada the Deep State is run by the Jews.
In Canada, the Deep State is run by the Jews, and those dastardly Jews herd ALL of the mooses (meese? moosie?) towards the ever-loving, DEEP, moose-fucking LUSTS of Our Moist Favored Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer, AKA Mother's Lament, with a Head full of Cement!
In Soviet-Islamic Marxist Mammary-Necrophilia-Farter-Fuhrer's Canuckistanistanistanistanistan, moose-fuckers fuck YOU, and fuck you HARD!!!
For fucks sake, Shillsy. Can't you tell the difference between your old pal sarcasmic sockpuppeting, and me?
No, he can't. Sqrlsy is that retarded.
Just my opinion, but closing a playground because a moose was sighted there seems reasonable.
[Disclaimer: Just my opinion.]
a moose ran by me when I was skiing once. freaky.
That would be disconcerting.
I once saw LAX run by The Juice.
Amusing how Mike has no issues responding to his buddy sarc socking but mutes ML who provides citations.
Actual citations are sealion kryptonite. The last thing Laursen wants when he asks for a citation, is a citation.
So there really is a deep state? Wow. Trump was telling us that like 7 years ago. But Reason just found out. Carry on you crazy libertarians.
Yes, and the Lizard People hate us ALL!!!!
https://reason.com/video/2020/12/21/how-immigrants-make-america-great-again-and-again-and-again/#comments
What we have seen in very recent history, is that Trumpistas have been adamantly opposed to immigrant Lizard People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters against Trump. They have, however, welcomed with open arms (and open legs), the Amphibian People, who use Mind-Control beams to make voters vote FOR Trump.
Now that Biden has replaced Trump, we have a simple inversion… Immigrant intergalactic Lizard people now GOOD! Immigrant intergalactic Amphibian People now BAD!
Before we get a flurry of posts here from xenophobic Trumpistas slamming even the idea of pro-“R”-party Amphibian People immigration… “R” fanatics saying that ALL immigration is UTTERLY EVIL… Let me point out to you, that the Amphibian People ARE indeed “benevolent”, per the “R”-Party yardstick (“R” good, all other parties BAD!).
Let me give you a VERY prominent Amphibian Person with the CORRECT thoughts and attitudes! I give you Pepe the Amphibian Person, stolen-IP-4Chan-Frog! Racist frog, NAZI frog, yaya-yada!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepe_the_Frog
Hey! Stop y’all’s fighting!
HERE is an uplifting message that may help out!
A Trumpsmas Message of Hope, Peace, and Joy
In these times of divisive troubles, we all need a little unifying Lift, yes? So I present to you, a Timeless, Empowering Story of Trumpsmas Joy!
And it came to pass, that The Lord Trump descended from the penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago. He ascended the flag-draped speaker’s podium, and had an acolyte apply some touch-up bronzer. He ascended the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies. Then He spake unto the assembled mass of 5 million:
“I come unto ye to bring messages of Joy and Peace! Do NOT be confused by the lamestream media, nor by the Demon-craps, who speak of many strange wonders! They speak of many YUUGE lies, and of half-truths! Some say that I am the Son of God! Some say that I am the Son of Man! Some say that I am the Great White Father! Or the Great Pumpkin! Or the Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpkin-Father! But I am none of those things! I come to be before you, as an Humble Man, with MUCH bigness to my humbleness… You may simply call me the Chosen One! Even the lamestream media knows this! https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-49429661 The American voters, the REAL, legitimate voters… The NON-Demon-rat ones, have overwhelmingly chosen MEEE! THAT is why I am the Chosen One!”
He paused, momentarily, there on the top of the Mount of Olives, and of Pineapples, and of Anchovies, as thunderous applause deafened everyone for miles around. He tried to wave down the crowd, for silence. But in their jubilation, the crowd spontaneously broke out into a chant! “Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem, Dominos Pizza-Pie REEEquiem”, they chanted, over and over, and yet over, again! Sensing their spiritual and bodily hungers, The Lord Trump discreetly ordered a single, solitary pizza and a basket full of anchovies, which arrived nearly instantly. Then The Lord Trump broke off pieces of pizza, and dished out the anchovies, which somehow managed to feed the crowd of five million!
With their hunger now sated, The Lord Trump was finally able to calm the masses, and silence their cheering, so that He could, once again, be heard. The Lord Trump spake once again, saying unto them, “Behold, now begins a time of troubles! The Dark Lord has bin bidin’ his time, which has now come! I will be swallowed up by the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, for 4 years of dark nights and troubled days, and I know, you will miss Me terribly! But then the Boulder of Voter Fraud will mysteriously be shoved aside, and I will emerge once more! Trust bigly in Me, but bigly JUST in Me!!!”
The Lord Trump waited for a long time, for the applause to die down, and then continued, “While I am gone, the Faithful shall honor Me on the last Thursday of each November, giving Thanks that I have shown Good Americans The Truth and The Way. You shall slay the Great Pumpkin, and eat of the Pumpkin Pie, saying, ‘This is the Body of The Lord Trump. Eat it with Joy and Gladness’. Then ye shall drink of the cranberry juice, saying. ‘This is the Blood of The Lord Trump. Drink it with Anticipation of the Defeat of the Forces of Evil, and of the Demon-rats’. This, do in honor of MEEE!”
The applause was overwhelming and unstoppable, so The Lord Trump escaped in His Helicopter, to the Penthouse of The Trump Hotel at Mar-a-Lago, leaving the crowd to festering in the gathering stormy weather. There were no busses provided for the crowds, but that was OK by them, for they were full of Great Trumpsmas Joy!
Eli Lake. Reminds me yet again of that time a bunch of years ago when Lipstick Lezzie Lizzie falsely (and tather despicably) accused him of laughing at dead Arab children on Twitter.
I wonder if she ever had the basic human decency to apologize to him for that, even privately. I seriously doubt it, but if I ever met him I'd love to ask him about that.