The Party of Trump Rages On
Plus: The editors examine proposed CDC reorganization and field a question on free trade.

In this week's The Reason Roundtable, editors Matt Welch, Katherine Mangu-Ward, Peter Suderman, and Nick Gillespie examine the current state of the GOP in the wake of last week's primary elections and continue to reprehend the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) after it announced lackluster reforms.
1:35: GOP as the "Party of Trump"
12:39: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and the "Stop WOKE Act"
24:30 : Weekly Listener Question:
What is the smallest size in which a free market can work? Are three people enough or do you need country-sized populations to reap the benefits? We love free trade, but what about when we trade with slavers and criminal regimes? Why would it not be better to close trade to them and just keep most of our trade internal or with our free-ish pals? Is America's market not big enough to reap the benefits of free trade internally even if nobody could/would send us imports? Would we not just creatively find replacements for all the products that we used to import?
38:20: CDC announces reorganization
Mentioned in this podcast:
"Morris P. Fiorina: Why 'Electoral Chaos' Is Here To Stay," by Nick Gillespie
"Federal Judge Blocks Florida Law Banning 'Woke' Workplace Training," by Scott Shackford
"Make the CDC an Infectious Disease Epidemic Fighter Again," by Ronald Bailey
"Every Day Is 'Buy Nothing Day' in North Korea—and Look Where That's Gotten Them," Nick Gillespie
"'Game of Thrones' Economics: Auburn University's Matthew McCaffrey says it's not all Fantasy'," by Tracy Oppenheimer
"Grover Cleveland, The Last Libertarian President," by Paul Whitfield
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lol rages ... you guys are adorable.
You misspelt "deplorable".
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You misspelt "ignorable".
that you somehow can never bring yourself to ignore
First comes the raging followed by the powncing.
The Democrats have turned the FBI into their own private Gestapo but it is the Republicans who are "raging". Yeah, that makes sense.
Look. Sullum spent a lot of time digesting DOJ leaks and Twitter comments and then regurgitated the whole mess right here at Reason. His conclusion? (I assume because I don't actually read Sullum) ORANGE MAN BAD. And he's a card carrying libertarian. As long as Republicans don't get past raging they're protected by 1A. But if we start seeing mean Tweets Reason will insist on censorship by private companies to protect our liberty.
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Give me the odds guys:
a) The Reasonistas live in complete blue bubbles and have no information coming in from other sources. Their worldviews are shaped solely by the news and arguments that exist inside those bubbles.
or
b) The Reasonistas are Democratic Party activists masquerading as libertarians.
I think it is both.
Yep, both.
Indeed.
Or they are a bunch of unprincipled grifters who will write whatever they're told to write.
"We're not selling truth here, people!"
-- Salomon Brothers trader, from Michael Lewis's "Liar's Poker"
Just seemed appropriate.
Both. Not libertarian at all, just a bunch of far left progressives.
If Reason is a "far-left" outlet, then I'd love to know whose politics you consider "centrist." The John Birch Society? David Duke?
They are definitely beltway idiots and see everything through that lens.
so many Trumptards, so much butthurt lolol
So many democrats, so much faggotry and stupidity.
Yeah, you can tell they're raging by all the fires they've set and businesses they've smashed and looted.
Come on man. We all know that qualifies as mostly peaceful protesting. -progtards
They are literally cancer.
Actually they are disgusting. This headline shows political bias. Words matter, Biden tell untruths, Reason is a joke.
I must have missed "The Party of Marx Rages On" somehow.
Here are my listener questions:
* Is my copy of the internet broken?
* Where do I get a refund?
Speaking of listener questions, do you think that these guys write their own?
Everyone sounds like White Mike.
Further evidence that the progressive trolls are part of Reason staff.
FTFY
I'm fairly certain they are lying about "listeners" writing questions, since they generally lie about most things, and are just writing them as scripted prompts to introduce whatever topic they want to bullshit.
At least that's the impression I get when I see them quoted here. Don't listen myself.
As for that stupid listener's stupid question, anyone who asks "We love free trade, but what about when we trade with slavers and criminal regimes? Why would it not be better to close trade to them and just keep most of our trade internal or with our free-ish pals?" has a serious collectivism problem and needs to go find an authoritarian collectivist blog .... oh wait, never mind.
I guarantee you that the person who asked this question also wants to continue giving weapons to Ukraine.
The question essentially starts out asking "Is free trade really a thing and, if so, can two people engage in it?"
Again, I can kinda understand how maybe this is supposed to be appealing to people who don't actually give two shits about liberty but, again, fuck those people. All they'll get you is a structurally-compromised version of liberty, which is not liberty at all.
The retards at Reason think that crushing a liberal corporation that hates libertarians is the worst thing a government can do.
"Oh, no! The state might force Disney to stop worshiping blacks and trannies! So much for liberty!"
Seriously. Fuck the "free market." Any business that offers to pay for its employees' abortions deserves to be shuttered.
And if you think that telling corporations what to do is an affront to libertarianism, then start petitioning the government to deregulate the phone companies? AT&T should be allowed to shut off your telephone service if you think that trans women are men.
You have something against my girlfriend's scrotum, bro?
*phone companies.
Just checking:
Since it's OK for Florida to shut down Disney for it's liberal activism, you'd be OK with a state shutting down Chick-Fil-A and My Pillow for their conservative activism, right? You can't have one without the other.
Actually, I think China has a good model for the government controlling corporate speech.
And yet Reason cheers when Chic-Fil-A is barred from opening sites in progressive cities.
Really? Can you share a link?
Yeah, I'd need a citation for that.
Libtard governors are already pulling that shit, idiot. And abortion isn't "liberal activism." It's murder.
If it's good enough for libtards, it's good enough for you?
"Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and the "Stop WOKE Act""
You mean "Individual Freedom?" Because that is what it is called. https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=76555
A company's right to torment its employees with anti-white training exercises and HR mandarins is more important than an employee's right to not be annoyed for forty hours a week. That's how freedom works at Reason.
Totalitarianism is great just as long as it is enforced by giant multinational corporations. If the trains say "Black Rock" on the side, there is nothing to worry about. Just get in the train you stupid deplorable.
"Corporations only have power because of the state. No, that doesn't make them extensions of the state. They're still a part of the free market. Also, you can't punish the corporations that want to expand the state. You can try and fail to shrink the state, but you can never punish the entities that seek to expand the state. That's big government! Isn't libertarian pragmatic?"
*libertarianism
The state using corporations to do its bidding and suppress dissent is just the free market at work.
Signed
Nick Gillespie.
I look forward to Reason’s coverage of what is coming out in discovery in Barrington V Twitter.
Hahaha, I’m just kidding, we all know Reason is going to keep ignoring that story.
Anything juicy yet?
Putting aside Yang's God-awful centrism, he's so fucking bad at politics. The people who follow him are massive cucks.
But Yang is Asian and wears a suit. To the sort of people who work at Reason, that qualifies him as one of the "smart set". Yes, they really are that shallow and vapid, as well as a bit racist.
Clean and articulate.
AND GOOD AT MATH!
But probably a terrible driver.
“But Yang is Asian and wears a suit. “
My Takeout of this is that this is a good Combo.
It’s part of Reason’s own brand of virtue signaling. As often showcased by Matt Welch.
The only thing I like about that guy is that I think "The Yang Train" was pretty good marketing.
Only if you’re into small penises.
If it is a train, you probably are or should be.
Ah, Asian penis not big like American penis!
His politics have a leftward slant.
Get it? Slant? Because he's Asian!
Today's Wall Street Journal:
The Trump Warrant Had No Legal Basis
A former president’s rights under the Presidential Records Act trump the statutes the FBI cited to justify the Mar-a-Lago raid.
Of course it didn't. I am starting to think nothing is going to come of this. That they are not going to try and indict Trump. Garland and Wray are political hacks and basically morons. They got where they are by being too stupid to question anything they were told to do and having an absolutely loyalty to the cause. They also live in a bubble where the FBI is still respected by the country. The truth that everyone other than hard core Democrats has turned on the FBI and sees it as a politicized dangerous joke hasn't penetrated the bubble that Garland and Wrey live.
So, I think they honestly thought launching a bogus raid on Trump's home was going to hurt him politically. They are now totally shocked that the whole thing backfired. They don't have anything on Trump and had no back up plan. They thought conducting the raid and then having their flying monkeys in the media lie about would hurt Trump. Now that it has helped him, they don't know what to do.
Or they were getting all the Crossfire Hurricane evidence, like some of us guessed from the beginning.
That wouldn't surprise me either.
Unless there are copies somewhere.
Wikileaks?
That's highly likely. The very same agents, from the very same team that filed the false FISA applications also executed the warrant and raid on Trump's residence.
Some of these officers are still under investigation themselves! How is that they are still working!?!?
it's as impossible to fire federal cops as it is to fire local cops who shoot unarmed people crawling on the floor with their hands behind their heads... Back The Blue!
"So, I think they honestly thought launching a bogus raid on Trump's home was going to hurt him politically. They are now totally shocked that the whole thing backfired. They don't have anything on Trump and had no back up plan."
I think that they're going to double down and arrest him before midterms on some contrived excuse. These guys never learn a lesson and are some of the most arrogant people on the planet.
Then watch out.
Then watch out.
Yeah. I've been thinking about this since the Jan. 6th "trial". I'm pretty convinced Garland and Wray would make a pressure cooker using a metal pot, a lid, and metal C-clamps. The resulting "Real world instantiation of insurrection impending" fallout would be horrendous.
They are like small, mentally handicapped children who have been given chain saws and automatic weapons to play with.
They're probing boundaries, seeing how much they can get away with, and noting the tactics of opposition.
Standard wartime strategy.
Probing boundaries... we used to call it petting.
Of course it didn't. I am starting to think nothing is going to come of this. That they are not going to try and indict Trump. Garland and Wray are political hacks and basically morons. They got where they are by being too stupid to question anything they were told to do and having an absolutely loyalty to the cause. They also live in a bubble where the FBI is still respected by the country. The truth that everyone other than hard core Democrats has turned on the FBI and sees it as a politicized dangerous joke hasn't penetrated the bubble that Garland and Wrey live.
So, I think they honestly thought launching a bogus raid on Trump's home was going to hurt him politically. They are now totally shocked that the whole thing backfired. They don't have anything on Trump and had no back up plan. They thought conducting the raid and then having their flying monkeys in the media lie about would hurt Trump. Now that it has helped him, they don't know what to do.
And that bears repeating. But seriously they seem shocked at the reaction. If they indict Trump in DC they will obviously find a judge and jury that will find him guilty the law be damned. In that case it will end up at SCOTUS and they'll get their asses handed to them.
Yes. Sometimes I think maybe the whole point is to give the faithful some kind of myth to believe in order to avoid the truth that the party has failed and failed badly. If Trump ends up winning in 24, it will be because the evil Supreme Court didn't do its job not because Joe Biden turned out to be the worst President in living memory.
"An NBC News poll revealed 57 percent of voters think the investigations should continue “because if there is wrongdoing by Donald Trump, he needs to be held accountable just like anyone else.”
Forty percent, on the other hand, think the investigations should not continue “because they are politically motivated against a former president and divide the nation.”
Just 21 percent of Republican voters think the investigations should go forward, compared with 92 percent of Democrats and 61 percent of independents, according to the poll...."
https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3609770-most-voters-in-new-poll-say-investigations-into-trump-should-continue/
Joe Friday, go fuck yourself.
I told you R Mac, if you guys are having a circle jerk like this thread, maybe warn others you're not interested in any facts, "you're just trying to get off".
I told you, Joe Friday, go drink bleach.
NBC News poll surely sound reliable and honest and accurate.
Compared to whatever you pull out of your ass? I think so.
And what would that be?
I swear, you're so fucking shit at your job. If I were your boss at the fifty-cent factory I would have canned you for incompetence months ago.
Maybe they’ll have him put down. I think that would be a good result.
In other news, 92% of Democrats are as dumb as Joe Friday.
Am NBC News poll? Well shit! Nothing could be biased about an NBC poll.
Did the authors miss the other headline??
FBI Misled Judge in Obtaining Warrant To Seize Hundreds of ...
Well, how about that?
but, the problem is the party of Trump... BS!!
Last week, Financial Times Associate Editor Edward Luce tweeted that Republicans are the most “dangerous” political force in the world, bar none. “I’ve covered extremism and violent ideologies around the world,” he said, and “I have never come across a political force more nihilistic, dangerous & contemptible than today’s Republicans. Nothing close.” Former CIA Director Michael Hayden chimed in immediately and said, “I agree.”
This past Tuesday, Democrat adviser Kurt Bardella called all Republicans a “domestic terrorist cell.” MSNBC’s Tiffany Cross agreed and said there should be no distinction between Republicans and “right-wing extremists.” At the same time, Peter Wehner, a contributing writer for The Atlantic, likened the Republican Party to a “dagger pointed at the throat of American democracy.” All this while the FBI Director Christopher Wray added that any American flying the Gadsden — “Don’t Tread On Me” — flag is suspect of violent extremism.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2022/aug/21/all-republicans-are-now-terrorists/
But it is Republicans who are "raging". The Democrats as they always are in reason land are just well meaning if sometimes mistaken.
Funny that Reason doesn't talk about all their comrades raging about the GOP. Not inconsistent at all when you realize Reason Editors are far left progressives.
I mean…
https://mobile.twitter.com/mattwelch/status/1102654202545913857?s=12
GOP as the "Party of Trump"
Things were so much better for Koch / Reason libertarians when it was the party of Bush and Cheney. It's like, yeah, fine, maybe the Iraq War was misguided. But invading Iraq simply cannot compare to the depraved brutality of Drumpf's policy of enforcing a national border between the US and Mexico.
#LizCheney2024
#PutTheNeoconsBackInCharge
#CheapLaborAboveAll
Thank God Liz is willing to follow in the footsteps of honest Abe. And undoubtedly at great personal cost. But the Neocons are fully in charge at the white house and with Trump in prison and Liz in the white house in 2024 the future looks bright indeed.
Word is both Cheney and Mitt Romney are going to run for President in 2024. Who is dumb enough to donate to either campaign?
Should be hilarious.
"Who is dumb enough to donate to either campaign?"
Earnestly? Bill Kristol, David French, Jonah Goldberg, Max Boot, the Lincoln Project pederasts.
Malevolently? George Soros, David Koch.
Thank God Liz is willing to follow in the footsteps of honest Abe. And undoubtedly at great personal cost.
I take it you, unfortunately, aren't referring to the "Smoothbores: 2, Executives named 'Abe': 0" meme?
^Perfect Sarcasm...
It's not the "Party of Trump" it's the party of Individual Liberty and Justice for all and the Trump Administration has been the only one in the last 100-years that made a legitimate approach to DE-REGULATE..
That doesn't make it "Trumps Party" it makes it a party that Trump aligned with better than the others.
You know who else raged on?
Winston Churchill.
George Washington
Zack de la Rocha?
Robert De Niro?
Ron Jeremy?
The guys who didn't like the machine?
Dylan Thomas?
Portland’s antifa population?
The federal public health apparatus doesn't need to be reformed. It needs to be disbanded.
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It's "the party of Trump" only to the extent that Trump is the main person willing and able to stand up to progressives and neocons.
Contrary to the deranged ravings of people with TDS, there is no great cult of personality around Trump, Trump is simply the only guy progressives haven't been able to destroy.
^+1000000000000
Sure, it's really common in America for citizens to have huge flags with politician's name on them, including those with a photoshopped picture of the fat and flabby guy looking like Rocky shirtless with an assault rifle. Believing anything he says when he is clearly a lying conman who can't be bothered to come up with something believable is another sure sign and common in our history.
Yeah, a lot of people love how much that pisses off treasonous fags like you.
You can sure tell Eric Boehm was missing from the trade discussion. I thought the whole Reason crowd was "free" (?dependant?) trade extremists. I think Domestic "free" trade should be 100x more significant than international and I'm sure the U.S. Constitution gave the 'feds' authority over international trade/tax for a reason.
Well I am glad they are raging on, their policies were better than the current demented fool in office and his party's polices.
When will we see the article- The party of Biden Rages on?
Dunno, but the party of TDS-addled shitpiles is certainly making a lot of noise.
The only thing scarier than Trump's re-election would be Jared Kushner running against him as a Libertarian.
Fuck off and die, TDS-addled asshole.
This site has turned into a woke-nazi hell-hole.
so, hundreds of perfectly innocent protesters have been jailed by kangaroo DC courts for attending a rally, a dozen or so Trump officials/associates have been illegally framed, arrested, raided, and perp-walked, the FBI is investigating school boards, and oh yes a completely bogus warrant, spoon-fed to DOJ by the WH, was used as the basis for the first police raid on an ex-President in the Republic's history
and Reason's take is [checks notes] "GOP rage"
sad!
When will we see the headline The party of Biden rages on?
I'm waiting reason.
Yes, as long as the party of Clinton and Obama continues its illegal and dishonest campaign against the law, Supreme Court and conservatives, the "party of Trump" will rage on. After all, someone has to protect the Constitution.
Some apparently still don't get it. As Mr. Trump himself said "it's you they're after, I'm just in the way". And as long as the enemy doesn't know what's really happening, that's a good thing. John Milius is reported to have said that Red Dawn wasn't really about a Russian invasion, that the invading Russians represented the out-of-control federal government. Which is what we have now. At this point we're the students seeing parachutes coming down on the playground.
Biden rages on, calling half the nation fascists. The Democrats rage on, legally harassing politician opponents. The Biden administration rages on, holding political prisoners for years with no charges, no bail and no trial. The CDC rages on with lies, mandates and lock downs.
BUT MOST OF ALL REASON RAGES ON WITH TDS!