Jared Polis: The Most Libertarian Governor in America?
The Colorado Democrat supports abortion rights, school choice, letting kids play unsupervised, an end to COVID-19 overreach, and an income tax rate of "zero."

Colorado's Jared Polis might be the most libertarian governor in America, at a time when his big-state Democratic colleagues are getting exposed as hypocrites while presiding over historic population declines or getting kicked out of office for sexual harassment and sending COVID infected patients back to nursing homes and then lying about it. I'm not sure that Polis' 2014 claim in the pages of Reason that "libertarians should vote for Democratic candidates" because they're "more supportive of individual liberty and freedom" has held up, but he's certainly leading by example.
The 46-year-old governor is presiding over one of the fastest-growing states in the country and a place that has one of the lowest death rates during the pandemic. He pushed back against members of his own party to remove mask mandates, and he consistently argued that public health decisions should be made at as local a level as possible. Last fall, at a conference held by the conservative Steamboat Institute, he declared that the state income tax rate "should be zero" and has supported ballot initiatives that reduced the rate. Polis has embraced occupational licensing reform and was an outspoken defender of bitcoin back in 2014 when Sen. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) called on then-head of the Federal Reserve Janet Yellen to ban it.
The openly gay, married father of two recently signed a free-range parenting bill that effectively relegalizes the sort of Colorado childhood he recalls as the son of two ex-hippie parents: "Just because a kid is playing alone outside, it doesn't mean they're in danger," Polis said at the signing ceremony. "It will help decrease false reports so…we can focus on the serious and the real instances of child abuse."
As conservative states pass laws strictly limiting abortions, he signed legislation guaranteeing a woman's right to choose. The founder of two charter schools, he is an outspoken advocate for school choice, saying earlier this year that "public school choice is an asset to improve all public schools." A former tech entrepreneur and five-term congressman, Polis is steadfast against limiting speech rights or treating social media platforms as utilities that can't moderate content or bounce users for transgressing terms of service.
In a wide-ranging conversation with Reason, Polis talks about trying to govern from the middle, takes shots at President Joe Biden's moves on free trade and immigration, and repeats his argument that libertarians should vote for Democrats. Up for re-election in the fall and a heavy favorite to win a second term, Polis also discusses his political ambitions as a rising star in a party that is expected to get blown out in the midterm elections.
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I’ve only read the title so far, but putting scare quotes are “zero” seems suspect.
Hot Pockets: now with “zero” arsenic!
I don’t think those were intended as scare quotes but as real quotes. As in, he said precisely that.
Libertarian—-everyone is a Boss & there are no Workers ?
It is lying in your face! Mandates are illegal and unconstitutional! Libertarian my behind, This joker has ruined Colorado and does not care about you, and is trying to make Colorado a communist state, with marshal law! He has ZERO power and s#@ks his first gentleman’s dick, unmarried with kids! This communist clown is not to be trusted and even as a dog catcher! This bum needs to be thrown out of a ten story building window! Only FOOLS will vote for him, and I am questioning why!
But, Polis was fine. Whatever quibbles I had with him when I lived there he was within acceptable ranges of a governor.
But… but… but… he’s on the wrong side of Kulturwar! No way can he get the fauxtarian vote if he won’t ban teh gey trans and defund Disney!
I also have issue with calling him libertarian, and probably disagree with him on a lot if I dig in. I just mean he was within a level of reason that I’m unable to get too upset.
The quintessential American voter….doesn’t “dig in” to those they vote for.
Ya know what’s funny about left-leaning complaints about the right; They’re all RINO induced insignificant issues… The same issue’s the far-right (like Rand Paul) has with their own party.
So humorously; It’s a partisan show more than anything that a Republican is acting just like a Democrat.
Rand Paul: ‘I don’t want my marriage or my guns registered in Washington’
Facts are; Not ever has any of the right-wing (that I know of) pushed to ban gay or trans. But it’s in the tax code; So it’s stupid of Democrats to pretend they have this ‘right’ to void tax law because …. Oh, I’m going to marry my pet dog to get tax deductions. B.S.
In other-words… Nobody on the right really gives a flying F if you consequentially want to play with another mans butt-hole. Sick as it may be; in the name of Liberty and Privacy no one really cares.
But changing law by changing original definition isn’t a game that needs to be played. At the root of all this retarded-ness is just building [WE] gangs that wants to use Gov-Guns to entitle themselves to others creations/property… The Nazi-Regime that took over the USA has shown the world that Armed Theft of [WE] mobs is A-Okay…
True. I give zero shits that Tony is a sloppy bottom that takes on all comers at the local bathhouse. It’s his totalitarian Marxism that I detest.
Yup, Tony can suck a million dicks a day for all I care, but his penchant for totalitarian brutality sickens me.
Killing unborn individuals is as wrong as you can get.
Oh is that like living in an UN-made house?
How about you UN-Delusionalize and stop trying to FORCE reproduction on others just because you’re Power-Mad and can’t keep you nose out of other people’s PERSONAL life’s.
You’re wrong. A fetus is a fetus. You’re free to not get an abortion, quit telling others they have to follow your whim.
Killing children is the Democrat way. He’s no libertarian. He’s a dyed-in-the-wool poster-boy Democrat.
Observe how every anonymous mystical MAGA sockpuppet asserts that only girl-bulliers eager to shoot teenagers over plant leaves are “true” libertarians. None are members, none pay dues, none vote LP.
It’s amusing delusional “babies” grew up and are now “children”..
Do tell; when will these mythical creatures hit adulthood?
Since it was less than a month to go from “babies” to “children” I’m guessing they’ll be Independent adults by May. /s
Can you say living in a world of your own imagination……
1) they are not individuals, just mass of cells like a cancer tumor. A cancer tumor also has dna.
2) I suppose by removing a tumor one is killing something. Who cares?
But, Polis was fine. Whatever quibbles I had with him when I lived there he was within acceptable ranges of a governor.
So what you’re saying is, he was like Joe Biden, wrong within normal parameters.
Yep. I didn’t vote for him, and I’d likely vote against if I still lived there, but I’m not willing to get that angry about him as a person. While there are governors and state governments that I do take actual umbrage with.
Washington’s was one. Cuomo was another.
Fuck Jay Inslee.
The neoyuppies and race hucksters in the state house are a hell of a lot worse and a lot more self-righteous than Polis ever was, even if he does have his moments that remind me what kind of shitheads Colorado Dems tend to be.
It seems like, at least on the issues addressed here, he is right on almost everything. I might quibble with zero income tax, as I believe that if you have to eliminate sales or income tax, zero sales tax is better for the local economy (I live in a zero-sales-tax state and it helps our businesses immensely). But public school choice, free range parenting, occupational licnsing reform, pro-free-speech, and pro-choice is an excellent issue profile.
And he’s in his 40s. Assuming the Dems don’t cave to the lunatic left the way the GOP caved to the radical right, he could be a legitimate player in 2024 or 2028. If we never have an election between two candidates in their mid-to-late 70s for the rest of time I would be the happiest man in the world. I feel like running for President should be a 65-and-under game.
In my perfect world we would have two 50-somethings in the general election every time.
Lol. Poor shreek.
Yeah, we know how much you prize youth, kiddie fucker.
Eliminate all personal tax and only tax business. They are going to pass it on anyway.
Should be the opposite. People only fully see the true cost of government services when they have to pay taxes directly from their own pockets. Hiding this cost in products and services by taxing businesses only causes misdirected ill will towards those businesses, deflecting it from the true culprits.
In a perfect world, we would elect candidates based on their track records instead of their ages and skin color.
But Democrats don’t work that way.
“public school choice”
So his version of school choice is getting to pick from a list of state-run schools that all teach the same core curriculum. You’ll get to choose pick the school that best delivers the state’s education outcomes but if your issue is with the state’s curriculum itself, you get nothing.
Out of the wide pool of shit that makes up the lineup of Democratic governors, he’s more like a bug turd–not something you really want, but not a real pressing concern, either.
Colorado is basically East California now, but the way he’s governed ensures that he’ll probably win in a landslide, as opposed to it being relatively close in a year that Dems are expected to get their ass handed to them.
Remember how imitation is the sincerest flattery? So… the Dem politician is cross-dressing as a closet libertarian alluva sudden. (https://tinyurl.com/yx6fctha)
Didn’t he support the recent Colorado gun control laws? Or was that somebody else?
https://www.ontheissues.org/governor/Jared_Polis_Gun_Control.htm
short answer; yes, he did.
Gun control isn’t in the top ten issues of libertarianism for Reason.
A lot of libertarian things aren’t important to Reason these days.
Top 3: unlimited immigration, unlimited abortion, unlimited section 230
Yes, and freedom of speech and association can go fuck themselves.
You’re not truly free unless you’re free to be kicked off a social media platform by a radical leftist ideologue who supports pedophilia.
Who was given a list with your name on it by the executive branch.
Yeah last I checked, Colorado did a bunch of very un-libertarian things under his watch.
* National Popular Vote law assigns Colorado’s electoral votes to the people of California and New York.
* Allowed local governments to ban property owners from exploring for energy in their land.
* Banned plastic bags and other ‘single use’ plastics
* Multiple Health Care mandates, including requirements for insurers to cover Contraception and Mental Health screenings and hospitals paying for uninsured patients, and also expanding Medicaid.
I don’t think he is horrible, but I think it is noteworthy that Nick would single out his Abortion bonafides while completely ignoring his 2nd amendment stuff.
It is interesting that up until about 6 months ago, Polis and the Governors of GA and FL weren’t terribly different in their management of their states. But the fact that the latter two governors not only got no credit for this, but were regularly attacked on liberal grounds anyways shows why they increasingly show no desire to please Libertarians.
The abortion issue really gets my goat. Laws against it are impossible to enforce anywhere close to fairly, what with miscarriages, other states, and modern medicines, so they end up enforced unfairly. There is no compromise between calling it murder and pretending women enjoy having abortions, and saying a fetus enslaves the mother. The worst to happen if Roe v Wade is overturned is that it reverts to being a state issue, solved by a few hundred dollars for a bus or airline ticket over a weekend, no vacation time needed.
And yet it comes out as one of the litmus tests for being a libertarian, while real property rights, like gun control, vanish into the ether.
Good point
Well said.
I like the idea of suing a provider for an abortion IF the one bringing suit has standing. I kind of thought/think that’s how the Texas law will eventually play out.
Your wife/girlfriend/daughter gets an abortion, the provider can be sued because the aggrieved party suffers an unrecoverable loss.
You can’t lose something you never had.
Agreed. And on the flip side, while I totally want conservatives to win 90% of this kultur war shit, I think they’re going to screw the pooch by pushing too hard, too fast on abortion. Which will just mobilize moderates against anything good they might otherwise accomplish.
Get federal money the fuck out of the abortion biz, beyond that it’s just endlessly divisive.
Banning plastic bags is a Denver/Boulder thing not a Colorado one. Letting local govts regulate drilling was a citizen initiative not a gov thing.
Further, there is no comparison between FL/GA and CO on COVID. FL/GA imposed state level orders on local level (a least by the time of delta). CO stopped imposing state mandates but local govts could do mandates. The result was quite deliberately a political partisan decision by both FL/GA. So it should be no surprise that the other sides partisans hammered on the very high excess deaths in both FL/GA in 2021.
It seems like he supports decision-making at a local level having more weight than state-level, top-down governing. That’s a great thing, in my book.
Slavery should have been a municipal issue, right shreek?
Owning other humans is certainly not equivalent to plastic bags or even covid restrictions.
It is interesting that up until about 6 months ago, Polis and the Governors of GA and FL weren’t terribly different in their management of their states. But the fact that the latter two governors not only got no credit for this, but were regularly attacked on liberal grounds anyways shows why they increasingly show no desire to please Libertarians.
The local media were absolutely beside themselves when Polis refused to bring back the mask mandates, and the party base constantly hits at him for not being a better marxist than he is.
That’s not so good.
But you’ll still put all 3 inches of his cock down your gullet, right shreek?
Was it that “local control” that restricted Coloradans from going to any park that wasn’t the closest one to their residence? I recall “draconian” lockdowns in Colorado during the first year of the pandemic.
LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA I CAN’T HEAR YOU LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA MARXISTS ARE THE ONLY TRUE FREEDOM LOVERS LALALALALALALALALALALALALA
Yeh, he shut down the ski areas because it was so likely that anyone would catch the virus riding up a lift in a stiff breeze, so die hard skiers moved to the backcountry. So he had CDOT tow the cars parked on Loveland Pass. So, while social distancing of a hundred feet wasn’t enough at the ski areas, he effectively upped it to a quarter of a mile or so (about as close as you would normally get to another party skiing off Loveland Pass). Libertarian.
Cut Pleather Jacket some slack. Polis is positioning himself as the anti-DeSantis, ergo he must become the Reason ideal of libertarianism.
As Long as someone advocates for drug legalization high times, uh, I mean Reason magazine will declare them libertarian
Murdering people over plant leaves is (pick one)
_ socialist
_ nationalsocialist
_ libertarian
He certainly seems to be a contender for most libertarian governor but, no, his 2014 claim that … “Democrats are more supportive of individual liberty and freedom” is not true today. The 2022 Democratic party is the party of censorship.
Talking about the most libertarian governor is like talking about tallest midget.
The Aspy-est retard.
The only governor that flat-out said she didn’t have the authority to shut down the state was Kristi Noam. She wins the tallest midget award.
Turning a blind eye to Democrat insults to liberty is totes libertarian. Practically mandatory at Reason.
>>>guaranteeing a woman’s right to choose … outspoken advocate for school choice
hey kid, don’t get murdered and the conformity factories are all yours.
I actually don’t know, is pro-choice laws considered libertarian? I had thought there was a divide on that question. I’m pro-life but thought it was fairly divided in libertarian circles.
It’s totally a political-party only circus… There are just as many Pro-Life Democrats as there are Republicans by straw polling and vice versa..
probably so. I advocate for life all around it’s the better default.
Agreed
It is divided but the consensus seems to be that it shouldn’t be funded by taxes. I suspect the majority are still pro-choice, and the majority of libertarian pro-lifers still don’t want to go around arresting mothers.
eh I would bet several Hitlers and Gacys have been aborted. I would 100% support laws against abortion when all the pro lifers adopt the unwanted children and provide loving nurturing homes. Until then I don’t even want to hear from them.
Then make it easier to adopt. Most adoptions cost over 10k. And the restrictions make it so many good parents cannot qualify.
Scott Adams has suggested an election is held in which only women vote on whether men with guns should be empowered to coerce pregnant women into involuntary labor. If a 2/3 or even simple majority of the large turnout votes to strip women of individual rights, that will provide evidence that de-individualizing women can “work” outside of a mohammedan theocracy. (https://tinyurl.com/2kezntst)
Yeah, I don’t think there is a good, clear libertarian answer. You just can’t solve the fundamental disagreement that way. It’s a question of conflicting rights and those are quite tricky and tend to come down to axciomatic assumptions about the nature of those rights.
Right – I think there’s something sacrosanct about familial relationships and that mothers murdering kids is special kind of horror.
Trying to communicate that to anyone subscribing to vastly different moral systems that sprung up in the last 100 years is an exercise in futility.
It’s only a question of conflicting rights if you start from the assumption that a fetus is a person starting at conception. That assumption is flawed and largely rejected by Americans (and most non-Americans, for that matter).
If the anti-abortionists were able to provide any generally-accepted proof or convince even a quarter of Americans that they are right, it would be a different conversation.
But they can’t, so here we are. Just saying something is true doesn’t make it so and demonizing people for supporting fundemental rights like bodily autonomy is wrong. But since anti-abortionists have failed to convince any more people that they are right in 50 years of trying, they are left with gaslighting and coercive state action.
There’s only one person with rights when a woman has an abortion.
There sure is there. The non-aggression principle is right there. Fetus’s are life. Killing him violates the non-aggression principle.
Sorry, but abortion is the antithesis of libertarianism.
Immediately after the 1976 election increased the pro-choice libertarian vote share by 4700%, Army of God terrorists began shooting physicians and escalating a campaign of bombings (See Atlanta), murder, arson, kidnapping, assault, vandalism, stalking, death threats and harassment. This began in 1977 as the GOP and Prohibition Party demanded a Constitutional Amendment to send men with guns out make choice a matter of bloody coathangers or Nationalsocialist Lebensborn cultivars. (https://tinyurl.com/2kezntst)
I find supporting the universal right to life starting at conception the superior libertarian/NAP position.
Nevermind what is enforceable/what the legal tactic should be. Let’s start with what’s right.
With abortifacients, like almost all* drugs freely available otc.
*I’m qualifying the right of the manufacturer to control distribution by contract such as a new antibiotic for treating antibiotic-resistant infections.
Bingo. Its so clear. Nobody can be libertarian and support abortion.
Anybody cowardly enough to send men with guns out to bully girls into involuntary labor of reproduction in violation of the 13th amendment is welcome to join the Prohibition or Republican party and squeal hysterically at the sight of The Don being slobbered on by televangelists. We’ll see you at the polls… like in Ireland, Argentina, Canada, Mexico, England… But you may prefer Mauritania or Egypt, where stoning women is a tradition.
What is ‘enforceable’ as regards the mother is insignificant compared to what can easily be enforced against third party involvement. The divide is so vast as to render the former pretty much a red herring.
What’s right is the recognition that a pregnant woman is an individual. All persons born… is a constitutional example of where the line between individual and nonentity is drawn in a free country. Even in contract law, “outside parties” are not privy to the entitlements in the agreement. Army of God is not the USA. See: https://constitutionalism.blogspot.com/ and enter abortion in the search box.
“I’m pro-life but thought it was fairly divided in libertarian circles.”
A little over 2/3 of Americans support 1st and 2nd trimester abortions being legal and libertarians seem to be about the same, although I only saw one study, back when I was in college, that listed libertarians separately and the number was so low it isn’t a trustworthy statistic, to my mind.
No, they do not, shreek. Even with the AP pollsters strongly leading the respondents to a conclusion, only 34% supported abortion in the 2nd trimester, and it falls from there. It’s surprising to see you so invested in this issue since the little girls you like to fuck are prepubescent and thus at no risk of becoming pregnant.
Yeah, the vast majority actually support at least *some* restrictions on abortion, even those are are generally pro-abortion rights. Those who support abortion all the way up until the first squall is made are in the minority and always have been.
Agreed. But as I said, 2/3 of people support abortion through the second trimester. Not unrestricted abortion, but legal abortion.
The only position that has less support than a total abortion ban is unrestricted abortion up until birth. But only by 5%. Because both positions are extreme and shouldn’t be used as a basis for legislation.
I have no idea who you are or where you came from, but you are as ill-informed as you are shrill. For 50 years multiple organizations have been asking Americans about their beliefs about abortion. The belief that abortion should be illegal in all cases is supported by about 15% of Americans and hasn’t grown the whole time.
The largest drop is between 2nd or 3rd trimesters, where pro-choice drops from between 60% and 70% (depending on the year) to less than 50%. Unrestricted abortion through birth has never broken 10% support.
You can cherry-pick your polls all you want, but the consensus is clear and has been for decades. Americans do not find the moral case made by anti-abortionists to be compelling. And the billions poured into influence campaigns have failed to make a difference.
If you don’t like abortion, don’t have one. But stop trying to force the vast majority of Americans to follow your narrow, unconvincing moral beliefs through legislation. Your anti-liberty efforts are awful for America.
Woops, the “Mute Loser” button just took out another Nationalsocialist hatemonger. What a loss…
The Prohibition Party and Republican party both demanded a constitutional Amendment to force pregnant women to reproduce by coercing physicians at gunpoint. This was in 1976, when the libertarian plank had been Roe v Wade for 3 years and LP vote share was increasing 12% per year. That these cowardly fascists have been so successful in infiltrating the LP and subverting our support for women as individuals is proof of dereliction within the LNC and by states sending delegates to re-introduce slave-catching.
Search: “Canadian Liberals and American Libertarians”
There’s never really been a hard principle set out on this issue, although they’ve generally been supportive of abortion rights as a general principle. Where the disagreements come in, and this is true across the board, is where exactly a fetus becomes a “viable” personage to the point that aborting it strictly for birth control reasons (as opposed to dangers to the health of the mother, for instance) is a violation of the NAP, including questions over whether aborting a kid if it’s going to have Down’s Syndrome or any other severe disabilities, does the same or is actually saving them from a life of significant hardship.
Very well said. It is definitely a difficult issue and it isn’t a cut-and-dried tning.
My personal belief is that at about 24-26 weeks, when brain activity is capable of sustaining a fetus if the mother were to die, is where to draw the line.
Others believe life begins at conception. Others believe it begins at live birth. Others believe that the earliest a fetus has survived outside the womb (as of now, a little over 20 weeks) should be the line. Walter Block, a well-known libertarian, is a proponent of evictionism.
With so many rational (and individualized) positions and absolutely no clear-cut proof that any of them is the correct one, using the power of the state to coerce a specific moral position is indefensible.
Girl-bulliers have three parties of their own. No libertarian seeks the initiation of force against pregnant women or their physicians. Republican platforms have demanded a constitutional amendment to enslave women as Handmaid dams in every platform since 1976. It takes a special kind of stupid to imagine such girl-bullying mystical brutes have done anything but sabotage the LP. (https://tinyurl.com/yc7ebudb)
Umm.
If your politician is utterly obsessed with race issues, tearing down statues and renaming everything, I’m going to plant my heels firm and demand really… really good evidence that xe is the most libertarian politician ever.
I definitely like his state income tax position. And hell, who knows, maybe dragging a few white people in front of the firing squads could be worth it.
Oh, and:
So I guess Libertarianism is highly selective when you’re playing with such a small pool.
There is a Negro Creek in my state. Used to be called something else. You can still find that something else on some old maps. Named after a runaway slave that moved west and started a ranch the creek runs through.
Actually, the more recent name was changed too and recent maps don’t have it. But locals still call it by it’s more older name. Because they’re crusty olde farts.
Denver should be renamed to “White Liberal Valley”.
That is, 100%, Boulder.
Or Fort Collins?
Boulder is 88% white. Fort Collins is 82% white. Do you ever get tired of being wrong about absolutely fucking everything including trivial demographic information that you could have looked up in 15 seconds, shreek?
Chill, pickle. I was just pointing out that Fort Collins is similar to Boulder as a liberal bastion.
Relax.
Really, the entire Boulder Turnpike from Boulder down to Broomfield would qualify for that designation.
Denver itself is one of the most racially balkanized cities in the US. Every time white people start moving in to areas like Five Points and north Denver Mexican neighborhoods along Federal Boulevard, the “gentrification” whines start coming out.
The funny thing is that, while Five Points has been mostly black for a looooong time, north Denver was mostly Jewish and Italian up until after World War II. In fact, the Mapleton School District still had a pretty sizeable population of Italian kids all the way in to the early 1980s. There were some Hispanic enclaves in the Denver/Adams County areas, but they mostly stayed out of the Italian parts of town.
Actually, we are often reminded by SJWs that Denver was once prime KKK territory.
It should be renamed “New Los Angeles”.
The Front Range as a whole currently embodies almost all the flaws of both Los Angeles and San Francisco, and almost none of the virtues.
Texas has a Squaw Tit Mountain (some USGD maps call it Squawteat Peak) but it sits beside I10 in the least populated part of the state so nobody seems to care.
I’ve seen it. In fact I’ve walked to the top. It does look remarkably like a breast with a nipple.
bevis could read The Carpetbaggers by Harold Robbins. There was a whole lot of stuff the movie censored out.
Fun story: Denver was so named because claim jumpers essentially forced the settlement there on the Platte and Cherry Creek to sign over its deed to them. (They showed up in the winter when most of the settlement owners were back east.) They named it Denver in the hopes that Governor Denver of Kansas (which administered the territory) would be likely to support their claim if a dispute was ever brought.
And the irony is that the Auraria settlement across the Cherry Creek that was already there ended up being bulldozed so that Denver could build the giant commuter college campus that’s there now.
“Thursday, according to a news release, the commission looked at Negro Creek (Delta County), Negro Mesa (Delta County)…”
So, Colorado’s white liberals are trying to erase the state’s history of Spanish exploration? I guess they’d be happier Anglicizing the names of Black Creek and Black Mesa.
Gillespie has his priorities, the right to kill an unborn child ranks high, the right to self defense ranks low. Just as living in an “exciting” urban enclave is more important to him than living in a place that has minimal government.
Yeh – the local control in gun regulations is for Denver and Boulder. A decade or two ago, the state liberalized its gun laws, and one of the big ones was stripping Denver of the right to have Chicago style gun laws. Concealed carry was fairly easy by the time the state went Must Issue, except for Denver, where the only people determined to have a need were close friends of the mayor and city council members. A lot of disgruntled Denverites were going to El Paso county, where the sheriff there was passing carry permits out like candy.
Might be worth having a chat with some of these non-libertarian politicians and see how libertarian they look compared to Polis.
I’m always suspicious of laws that are initially grounded in majoritarian claims. That is pretty non-libertarian to launch with “A strong majority of X agree”.
And then, there’s always the question, would this have actually prevented the incident that this law is being pushed in response to? I don’t know.
The claim about gun violence I strongly doubt since that is so heavily tied to already illegal purchases. Kevin Williamson writes extensively on this, but it is already illegal under laws on the books but it is difficult to actually investigate and try, and so cops don’t do it. That’s a huge problem, and not limited to gun issues.
Suicide I don’t even know if I agree that the government should be involved in preventing that. Though when Colorado ends passing restrictive laws to supposedly prevent suicide, but legalizes medically assisted suicide, I will complain about that as well.
I start 100% of my arguments with “Everyone agrees that…”
Really makes the debate much shorter.
Most everyone agrees that’s the best way to start an argument.
We’ve known since 1955 that a lying majority causes people to make bad choices. Yet those same Solomon Asch experiments proved a lone dissenter cancels the way social pressure induces error. This is why libertarian spoiler votes pack so much law-changing clout, and why totalitarians of both the religious and communist persuasions will stop at nothing to suppress dissent. (https://tinyurl.com/36w3e5bu)
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/19/colorado-governor-three-gun-bills-boulder-shooting/
Perhaps we can define “libertarian;” it should mean more than just not as draconian as other Democrats.
Better than the current definition which seems to be a type of MAGAhead that hates free trade and legal immigration.
Hey that’s literally Hitler.
Still trying to conquer that U.S. Constitution huh???
Funny how you leftards are trying to dismiss every function of a federal / national government; while propping up National Socialism (i.e. Nazism) on it’s own citizens in it’s place.
Why it’s almost like you all HATE the USA entirely…
Here’s an idea; Don’t want to pay import tax? MOVE to your import nation – ironically not even that country is going to make your trading taxless.
Just because they can do things doesn’t mean they necessarily should.
Humorously having them restrained to what they are only authorized to do would be a HUGE STEP at this point. Yelling about the mice dribblings in a room while shoveling an elephant turd into it is just a deceptive distraction tactic that Nazi (National Socialist) fans love to play.
No. Not even a little. If you’re referring to China, that’s not really free trade, and has been explained to you here before multiple times. Usually in the comments of a bad Boehm trade article.
As for being aga8smt legal immigration, I’ve never seen or heard that. Americans have a problem with illegals, not immigrants. although, thanks to the democrats,it may be neck to out a pause on new immigrants not already in process. As the democrats have made a disaster of the border in the manner that they make a disaster if everything else they touch.
He’s good on tax policy! And it looks like (based on a quick scan) that he left masking, and covid lockdown policies to local districts. So good on him for that.
Like I said, if he was representative of the left-wing in the US I’d be less irritated by politics at large.
At this point I’ll take a soft-focus Democrat before I take the racist, Marxist drivel that’s coming out of the left these days.
You can thank libertarian spoiler votes for reversing the Dem descent into communist parasitism. Economics applies to votes the same way it applies to other values. Where there’s a demand for repeal of crappy coercion, spoiler defeats soon make the appropriate half of the looter Kleptocracy sit up, take notice, and delete bad planks.
Not when he was using CDOT to tow cars off of Loveland Pass to prevent them from skiing the backcountry there.
Simply redefine 5th column infiltrator and agent provocateur as The Real Thang and not some slimy backstabbing traitorous imitation and the deed is done. It was Taft-Roosevelt Republicans who forced the Celery-Cola and Coca-Cola companies to remove the cocaine. Biden and Ronnie did the rest. Proud?
Libertarians most definitely shouldn’t vote for Democratic Nazism.
As far as I can tell the only reason Polis isn’t a Republican is that he’s gay. However; the Republicans in CO could use a DINO like that to mix up the Nazi-Base.
I live in Colorado and can assure you that Polis is even more statist than the Republicans. The best thing that I can say for him is that he is better than the Democratic Governors of New Mexico, California, and Michigan.
Least totalitarian Democrate governor.
[H]e is better than the Democratic Governor of New Mexico[.]
*sigh*
It’s true. She’s terrible.
Honestly, New Mexico’s biggest problem is that it has a sizeable portion of monied/political interests, mostly in Albuquerque, with a massive insecurity complex that the state is so much poorer than Colorado, Arizona, and Utah. Well, no shit, the vast majority of people are blue-collar workers, farmers, ranchers, and Indians, many of whom have lived in the state for generations. But these politicians and business interests continue to harbor a fantasy that the state’s going to end up as the next colony of Silicon Valley, despite the fact that it has arguably the worst schools in the nation.
A lot of people root for the other party to nominate someone bad, thus increasing the likelihood that their candidate will win. That seems dumb because sometimes the bad candidate wins. Sometimes we end up with two bad candidates. I’ve been saying for a while now that I hope the Democrats dump Biden and nominate Polis. I think he probably is the best Democrat Governor in the country. If the next election was Polis against DeSantis, either way we’d end up with the best President of my lifetime. Rand Paul would be better than either but that’s not gonna happen.
I liked John Hickenlooper as Governor. He seemed to transcend the partisan divide and never negatively campaigned. When he ran for Senator, he turned over a new leaf and massively negatively campaigned. So, he is high on the s**t list. Polis, in pushing for the national popular vote, puts him there as well.
Paul’s new sock is like the old… still sobbing because George Wallace lost, then lost the nomination on the second try. Trump Trilbys may as well brace themselves for American women having as many individual rights as in Ireland, Argentina, Mexico, Canada and most of the non-Mohammedan world.
How does Polis score on the Reason Big Three?
Ass sex A+
Weed A
Open Borders (incomplete)
If Jared works a little harder, he could become Reason’s politician of the century.
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Agree
Ah, the Klan Mom Twitter calls have gone out, screeching for more Christian National Socialist backup
Polis is not libertarian. But he does seem to have a basic understanding of CO. Even when the state was ‘purple’, it was never purple anywhere. Just bright red and bright blue and never the two will agree. Back when purple, the blue and red had comparable peeps. Since then, all the peep growth has been blue areas.
Letting those local areas retain as much governance as possible enables libertarians to choose where and how to govern themselves. The opposite of the Free State notion or the takeover the red tent notion. Both of which can be seen as imposing libertarianism by ‘conquest’.
If only there was an entire fucking country with its founding legal document establishing local rule and limiting the powers of the central government. What a world that’d be, huh you panic mongering chicken little faggot who spent 3 years shitting his pants and hiding under his bed with 3 cloth masks strapped to his face to save us all from an illness with a 1 in 10,000 chance of being fatal?
No.
He does check off the Reason writer “libertarian” boxes, though.
It’s not as if that’s difficult. He did that just by having a D next to his name.
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Gillespie is down with a gay governor who supports taxpayer funding for late-term abortions, but he gets bent out of shape when DeSantis revokes a retarded progressive corporation’s state-granted privileges. Further proof that Beltway libertarianism is committed to whitewashing corporatism using free market rhetoric.
Seriously, though. Fuck Reason.
Marijuana acceptance, LGBTQ+ acceptance, stigma-free abortion (at any time, for any reason), stigma-free prostitution, unschooling and hands-off parenting, open borders in the name of antiracism, corporate capitalism in the name of free markets, and conservative populism being the worst thing ever.
Reason’s idea of “libertarianism” in a nutshell.
The Reason banner was inevitably going to be raised for Polis once he came out as the anti-DeSantis.
Everything is entirely reactionary with the current writers.
Libertarians are basically split on abortion. Many of us believe that babies have rights while still in the womb just as much as they would if they were born.
I realize Reason is not only pro-abortion, but pro government funded abortion, but you shouldn’t claim someone is libertarian when it’s a policy there is no consensus on.
The LP officially recognizes that this is a topic libertarians disagree about. The official LP stance is total hands off, abortion shouldn’t be a legal matter.
Of course, except for not subsidizing abortion, that’s actually the maximal pro-choice position, not a neutral one.
You’d be amazed at how many party Libertarians argue the platform is neutral on abortion and have a hard time processing that logic.
Nobody likes the plank, pro-lifers for obvious reasons and pro-choicers because it acknowledges that pro-lifers can be Libertarians, but the socially progressive and alternative lifestylist liberaltarians defend it tooth and nail to ward off curious, small-“l” libertarians who are more socially conservative than they are. An extreme pro-choice position is about all they take from Rand and Rothbard.
David Nolan was moderately pro-choice (legal in the first trimester, restricted on the second, prohibited in the third) and didn’t want an abortion plank in the LP platform at all.
There’s nothing in libertarian principles that tells me how to define a human, so it’s natural there’s a split. If I believe a fetus is a human, it has rights, and abortion is murder. If I believe a fetus is a clump of undeveloped cells not yet human, then it has no rights and mom can flush it out at will.
It’s far too big a question for a party that believes in limited government to have an entrenched position on.
There is a consensus. It just isn’t what anti-ablrtionists want it to be.
Despite pro-aborts feeling there is no room for discussion, that fully legal abortion until the kid has read Man, Economy, and State is the only principled libertarian position, no, Nelson, there is nothing that could be called a consensus.
Jeremy needs to read the original LP platforms. Our 1972 plank became Roe v Wade a month after the electoral vote count. Our 1976 vote count was four thousand seven hundred percent higher (yup, 47 times as many votes) as in 1972. That’s a 12% annual increase! Republican infiltrators erased individual rights for women and communist anarchist infiltrators added child molesting and uninspected entry planks. After that we essentially made no progress until Gary went pro-choice in 2016 for a 328% increase.
Most libertarian Democratic governor if you ignore all the issues where Democrats take the opposite position from libertarians.
Which to be fair, Reason writers normally do.
What is his stance on guns? It is the only issue right now that truly matters.
Basically signs any new gun control laws the legislature sends him. His expressed position is approximately that he’ll support anything short of a ban on typical hunting weapons, or self defense arms kept at home.
Oooo, get a load of Sgt. Shellshock. Somebody cut his mic feed, just for grins…
If Polis is Reason’s face of libertarianism that affirms that I was correct to abandon libertarianism.
Libertarianism in principle is not bad.
In practice it has shown itself to be nothing more than a stalking horse for the left.
At some point there needs to be a reckoning.
No, just like communism, libertarianism always attracts the worst people and always fails because it is inherently flawed.
Polis sounds like a California transplant like half the other citizens of that state.
Actually Colorado could be renamed “New California” as it is just as blue as that other trashed out state.
Denver is just another blue stronghold, filled with transplants from Frisco, L.A. and Sacramento. All of them escaping the crime, rot, filth and decay , not to mention the high taxes, out of control regulations which resulted in skyrocketing home prices they helped create by voting for liberals.
He is…
No, he’s not. He was born in Boulder and lived there most of his life.
Boulder has been a far-left enclave for DECADES and was even a joke within its own county as a hippie haven. It’s only in the last 20-30 years that the rest of the Boulder County and Broomfield began following its lead.
The author might have received a better view on Polis if he would have asked him his take on the agriculture business, which Jarrod Schultz (his real name) detests (Jarrod’s husband is a staunch animal welfare proponent), although it’s a huge part of the Colorado economy. The problem with Governor Schultz is that he believes Colorado starts just east of Aurora and extends north and south solely along I-25 and east and west along I-70. Of course the outliers are Aspen and Steamboat. After all he’s just using Colorado to warm up for his 2024 Presidential run.
Nick, disappointing article for lack of depth – he’s no different than other blue state script followers. I’d vote for a title change: “Jared Polis: The Most Liberal Governor in America?”
Well, you know DeSantis is…you know that kind of you know….those people. I always find it ironic how woke folks have issues with Italian Americans. My Jewish friends will be right up front and say libs don’t like Italians cause they don’t agree with the narrative. And Italians don’t roll over like the WASPs to liberal race baiters..
Funny how Nixon-Bush-Trump Trilbys hate freedom so much that they help Fabian socialists pass themselves off as liberals–the party that helped throw Herbert Hoover and the Klan out on their teeth in the 1932 election. National Socialists are consistent in their love of Jesus and coercion. (https://tinyurl.com/2p8c5ftm)
Mr. Polis may or may not qualify for the “most Libertarian Governor”. However, libertarians in Colorado would quite likely say he is not a Libertarian. For their take on Colorado politics and issues, visit the the Independence Institute on the Web. It also publishes a web news sheet every day called Complete Colorado.
Did they repeal the magazine capacity limit law in Colorado? (hint: they didn’t). I would rank firearms freedom much higher than drug decriminalization on my personal libertarian priorities index.
So vote for a libertarian party candidate and accept no substitutskys. Nothing gets their attention like libertarian spoiler votes. (https://tinyurl.com/2p8ptyez)
Nick has stated before (even recently) his top issues are open borders, abortion, and pot. The Bill of Rights isn’t that important to these or ending the Fed, drastically downsizing the Federal Govt, eliminating the more problematic sections of the CRA (2 and 8 if I recall), ending foreign wars that seem to be the issues of libertarians.
Abortion honestly is not that big of an issue for most libertarians. Roe Wade was a bad decision, and the issue should just be left to the States. Sorry Nick but the 1st and 2nd Amendment are more important than open borders or abortion. What has Reason come to?
He’s a fan of gun bans, gun seizures without trial. In 2013 he seemed reasonable, but since then he has proven himself to be a libertine skin over a pretty standard DNC platform. Not the worst, but nowhere near “the most libertarian”. Have you lost your minds?.
The guy is responding to libertarian spoiler votes chipping away at the shrinking communo-fascist Kleptocracy, half of which is helping him apply for a job. If he is not libertarian enough, the solution is to cast increasing numbers of libertarian spoiler votes and watch the looters scramble to pretend to agree with us while their own party platform says “off with their heads!”
No, DeSantis is the most libertarian governor.
Anyone can see that DeSantis is sort of libertarian compared to Phillípe Petain, Vidkun Quisling, Francisco Franco, Benito Mussolini, George Wallace and Adolf Hitler. The guy is a Credere, Obeddire, Combattere, Travail, Patrie, Famille second-hander to all of the above servants of Christ.
Neither party is libertarian. Republicans are libertarian consumer choice on the economy but favor government enforcement of private morality. Democrats are libertarian on private morality but favor government choice on the economy. We need a party that is consumer choice on the economy, interferes as little as possible with individual liberty, and does not pass laws enforcing religious beliefs.
“Democrats are libertarian on private morality”
LOL. To be sure, so long as your view of what qualifies as ‘private’ is as restrictive as that pack of totalitarian statists.
The answer to which is: Nothing really.
Because the specific and limited permissions they choose to grant is not remotely libertarian.
Surely the “most libertarian governor in America” will veto this.
https://pagetwo.completecolorado.com/2022/04/28/sharf-democrats-move-to-make-housing-more-expensive/
Colorado has a Libertarian spoiler lever (electoral votes * LP vote share) of 30, the 4th highest in the nation after New Mexico, Maine, Minnesota and Michigan. These are states in which Libertarian votes determine which looter party will fail and which will prevail. OF COURSE the guy is begging libertarians to be faithless and plunk for the… er… procurer party pushing his bid. Hillary did the same with electors. But the Dem desire to ban energy the way the GOP seeks to ban abortion and drugs is too suicidal to endorse with a vote. (https://tinyurl.com/t7myf8p3)
The author conveniently omitted Polis’ stand on immigration, which is essentially for open borders. While I realize this is the same position that many libertarians have, it is a show-stopper for me. I would not vote for him if he ran on the national level.
Colorado had a gun control pre-emption law. Until 2021 when Libertarian Polis signed a bill to repeal it almost completely.
Now Boulder wants these bans on possessing and carrying firearms:
https://boulderbeat.news/2022/05/07/gun-violence-prevention/
Boulder’s proposed ordinances were released Thursday evening. Very little changed from council’s February discussion. The assault weapons ban is there, along with a 10-day waiting period to purchase firearms, a ban on open carry in public places and restrictions on concealed carry in “sensitive places” such as city facilities, protests, churches, preschools, etc.
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Guns are also banned “without express permission from the owner” in “places licensed to serve alcohol, hospitals, facilities providing mental health or substance abuse services, places of worship, sporting venues, courthouses, financial institutions, day care centers and preschools, and grocery stores.”
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10-day waiting period for purchase of a firearm, following initiation of a background check.
Raise taxes. Check
Expand government. Check
More gun control. Check
Beat up a woman. Check
Mandatory vaccines. Almost
Boy he sounds like the most libertarian to me.