Is Trump a 'Fascist, Loofa-Faced, Shit-Gibbon' for Opposing Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform? (New Reason Podcast)

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Is Trump a 'Fascist, Loofa-Faced, Shit-Gibbon' for Opposing Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform? (New Reason Podcast)

When Rockwall County Sheriff Harold Eavenson told Donald Trump that a state senator was pushing civil asset forfeiture reform in Texas, the president responded: "Who is the state senator? Want to give his name? We'll destroy his career."

That prompted Pennsylvania State Senator Daylin Leach (D-District 17) to tweet:

Hey @realDonaldTrump I oppose civil asset forfeiture too! Why don't you try to destroy my career you fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon!

— Daylin Leach (@daylinleach) February 7, 2017

So what is this legal process prompting threats of career destruction? In our latest Reason podcast, Nick Gillespie chats with Reason criminal justice reporter C.J. Ciaramella about the history of civil asset forfeiture and the prospects for reform now that Jeff Sessions has been confirmed as attorney general. Topics include: how asset forfeiture went on steroids in the 1980s with the escalation of the drug war, Reason's longtime coverage of the issue (see a 1999 article by Michelle Malkin), and Ciaramella's recent story, "Inside Mississippi's Asset Forfeiture Extortion Racket."

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Comments

[kbolino]

I yearn for the halycon dies when telling the President "you lie" was considered in poor taste.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Luddite!

[Free Society]

ha ha good point, you hatchet-faced nutmeg salesman.

[kbolino]

You can pry my nutmeg from my cold, dead, well-spiced hands.

[Free Society]

Thems fightn words

[Zunalter]

Calm down, you poorly dressed walrus prostitute.

[Free Society]

Says the illegitimate spawn of a half-breed Indian squaw...

[Password: pode$ta]

Whatever, you gay Irish fireman.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

Patrick Fitzgerald or Gerald Fitzpatrick?

[Password: pode$ta]

Matt Walsh

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

I read that as Matt Welch.

[Charles Easterly]

I read that as Matt Welch.

As did I.

[Zunalter]

Better than you, you overripe goldfish strangler.

[Citizen X - #6]

Nutmeg is hallucinogenic, but the amount you'd have to eat to start tripping is somewhat higher than the amount that causes violent nausea. Still, that might be part of the draw for some people(, Crusty).

[Chipper Morning Wood]

I have a friend that once tried to get high on nutmeg. He said for three days he smelled and tasted nothing but nutmeg after imbibing the requisite amount. Needless to say, he hates nutmeg now.

[Citizen X - #6]

My thoughts and prayers are with him. Nutmeg is delicious, but all things in moderation.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Including common sense?

[Charles Easterly]

but all things in moderation.

Including common sense?

Extremism in the exercise of common sense is no vice. And moderation in the pursuit of excellence is no virtue.

[Suthenboy]

For nutmeg that is pretty easy. A little nutmeg goes a long way.

[Chipwooder]

Hah! I remember trying that after reading about it in The Autobiography of Malcolm X in high school. I ingested more and more but felt nothing. Couldn't force myself to swallow any more - if it required that much more, it would be easier to just go back to siphoning whiskey out of dad's liquor cabinet.

[GILMORE?]

I have a friend that once tried to get high on nutmeg.

I tried it many years ago. What i'd heard was "2 large tablespoons in a glass of water"

what i got was a case of stomach cramps and the shits.

[Cynical Asshole]

Strong words from a shit covered spider monkey, who dresses in the manner of a male prostitute.

[mr simple]

That was only because the totally non-racists heard the implied "boy" at the end.

[Zunalter]

Is Trump a 'Fascist, Loofa-Faced, Shit-Gibbon' for Opposing Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform?

No. His face is decidedly non-loffalike.

[Fist of Etiquette]

I think he meant to refer to Oompa Loompas, but lacks the president's Twitter skills.

[Zunalter]

Wow, now we know why they are just a state senator. Not quite ready for the big leagues.

[Charles Easterly]

I remain unsure, Zunalter.

It seems to me that Senator Leach's colorful and demeaning insult would garner invitations from several H&R commentators as he appears to be on par with many of us.

Oh, wait.

Nevermind.

[american socialist]

The dems are only against asset forfeiture because they aren't the ones benefiting. They will gladly do it in other means via taxes, regulations and mandates

[Lee wishes he made the list...]

See Illinois

[Zunalter]

Sorry, seeing you comment under this handle gives me a daily spittake.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

Hold on, this is some some sort of sock? Awesome! I was wondering what happened to AS's posts-- maybe he hit his head walking up the steps from his mother's dark basement?

[american socialist]

I took over his name and said he could have it back if pays up. Not sure who he is now.

The amsock annoyed him so much that he went to California socialist and i then stole this

[american socialist]

Also i stole cali socialist cause he gave that up because i was annoying him with a variant

[american socialist]

Of cali socialist

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

you are a beast! I really thought he was up to something with all of the comments sympathetic to libertarianism, or he had a conversion or something!

[Zunalter]

That unfortunately assumes that they ever had the cognitive ability to follow a reasoned argument.

[kbolino]

The current handle-runner appropriated it from the original amsoc after a war of lookalike handles (hoory, sans serif fonts). The genuine article was posting under California socialist for awhile but hasn't been around lately.

[Tyler.C]

He doesn't like it when people take his stuff.

[american socialist]

Lol

[american socialist]

But they love taking others!

Socialists are parasites that are so stupid they kill the host

[Zunalter]

LOL!

[Free Society]

So Amsock single handedly vanquished American Socialist. I hereby award you the Commentarian Medal of Freedom.

[Cynical Asshole]

Pretty ironic, huh. Like if O'Henry and Alanais Morisette had a baby and named it this exact situation.

[Citizen X - #6]

As much as i'm leery of handle-poaching, i can't say i miss the fucker.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

I'm an infrequent reader of comments, post even less. Damn, you miss a day, you miss a lot around here!

[Chipper Morning Wood]

Someone should start a blog where you can catch up. Or Reason could have a commenter newswire or something. They could call it Glamor Updates in honor of Postrel.

[Citizen X - #6]

Postrel would quickly decide that she doesn't even like glamor anymore. As far as she's concerned, we ruin everything.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

Yeah, and Reason should have a section for like who's new among the commentariat, who's left...seriously, I didn't know till like a day or two ago about the emigration of longtime commenters from these hallowed webpages.

[Fist of Etiquette]

Someone's looking to make a name for himself. It's very possible that, despite being public servants, that they're both assholes. Also, and this might come as a shock to those outside the commonwealth, but Pennsylvania's legislature is doing a part-time job on full-time pay.

[Chipper Morning Wood]

You should run for the Penn legislature, Fist. Harrisburg is a nice city.

[Free Society]

Clean and prosperous city, friendly people.

[Pompey:? Class Mothersmucker]

Clean and prosperous city, friendly people, loads of ingenuity in terms of industry and tool-making. Drawback is that it's close enough to Baldimore for you to contract airborne gonorrhea.

[gaoxiaen]

Nice toy railroad there.

[Fist of Etiquette]

"You pay me full-time, I will work full-time to eff up your daily lives, Keystone State!"

[Chipwooder]

Oh, of that I'm entirely certain. A Democrat from Pennsylvania is almost guaranteed to be a statist piece of shit even if his position on asset forfeiture is laudable.

[gaoxiaen]

+1 "two-year temporary" state income tax

[Lurk Diggler]

Are you sure it didn't say "who's the state senator, can I get his name, will it destroy his career?"

[Ken Shultz]

A half an hour of that headline? The Reason staff is gonna give themselves a heart condition if they don't snap out of it. And there are so many legitimate things to go after Trump for--why focus on something he said as a joke?

Requiring people to give up their social media passwords before gaining entry to the United States is unconstitutional and outrageous.

Violating the due process rights of people who had already lawfully obtained green cards was unconstitutional and outrageous.

Compared to that stuff, Trump making bad jokes? Well, it isn't that outrageous and making bad joks certainly isn't unconstitutional.

[american socialist]

Yep agreed. They are all in on hysteria that they miss important things

Quality over quantity

Though I recognize in this day and age the business model of being a tabloid sells

[Free Society]

It's about the only thing that can sell print anymore. The National Enquirer will be the most prestigious newspaper in the world someday.

[Cynical Asshole]

"Best investigative journalism on the planet."

[croaker]

+1 Men In Black

[John]

Requiring people to give up their social media passwords before gaining entry to the United States is unconstitutional and outrageous.

It may be outrageous, but it is not unconstitutional. Border search authority is virtually unlimited and has never been limited by the 4th Amendment. It just hasn't.

[jcw]

John's right here, in my opinion. If interior checkpoints are constitutional then passwords is nothing.

Still a bullshit idea though.

[John]

The border search authority was created when border searches were mostly about revenue cutters intercepting merchant ships entering harbors. It never contemplated things like social media and credit cards and such. It needs to be curtailed.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Still a bullshit idea though.

With the right people heading the program I think the data mining of someone's Facebook page could save lives.

[Zunalter]

Top.Men.

[Charles Easterly]

For the best, really.

"Papers please."

[Chipwooder]

Son, we live in a world with social media, and those sites have to be guarded by passwords. Who's going to do it - you? You, Lt. Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago's Facebook, and you curse DHS. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That data mining Facebook, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that Twitter, you need me on that Twitter! We use words like password, verification, data mining. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline! I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a laptop, and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn WHAT YOU THINK YOU'RE ENTITLED TO!

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Outstanding, sir.

[Fatty Bolger]

Ha ha nice.

[widget]

"Give me your password" is a bit out-of-date. I will also need the names your first grade teacher and the fish you forgot to feed when you were five.

[Ken Shultz]

It's a First Amendment violation if I ever saw one.

Regardless, why talk about Trump's bad jokes when we could be talking about stuff like that?

[John]

It is not a first amendment violation. It might be a 5th but courts have ruled giving up a password is not self incrimination.

[Ken Shultz]

If we're talking about refusing people entry based on the content on their social media accounts, we're talking about the First Amendment.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Regardless, why talk about Trump's bad jokes when we could be talking about stuff like that?

It gives them an excuse to talk about asset forfeiture.

[Bra Ket]

I thought the whole point of Trump's statement, whether it be a joke or not (which it clearly was), is that just by outing the guy at that time they would destroy his career. Trump said "we'll destroy his career", not "I'll destroy his career". Not only did it not nimply some evil plot to occur later, but I kinda took Trump's joke as a warning or at least mindfulness of the fact that the sheriff needed to take care when throwing around accusations and names at that level. The man immediately laughed like everyone else and did not give the name, did he?

[american socialist]

Good point

[loveconstitution1789]

I disagree that asking for visitor passwords is unconstitutional because visitors/immigrants do not have the US Constitutional outside the USA. I don't think Its worth for the USA to do it though and should stop.

Halting non-citizens who were given a free ride to come here because of open border politics is not unconstitutional either. I have no problem with the USA revetting these people.

[MikeP2]

HA... I'm old enough to remember when the POTUS joked about having the IRS go after his enemies. And then did.

funny stuff.

[Juvenile Bluster]

"Fascist, loofa-faced shit-gibbon" is a truly excellent insult.

[Unicorn Abattoir]

How long 'til a commenter adopts the name?

[Chipwooder]

It would be if I weren't sick to death of people inaccurately throwing around the term "fascist".

[Fascist loofa-faced shitgibbon]

Done and done.

[gaoxiaen]

Johnny Rotten has a sad.

[Pro Libertate]

They should make Archer president in the last season.

[Wizard with a Woodchipper]

something, something DANGER ZONE!

[Pro Libertate]

Danger Zone Czar?

[loveconstitution1789]

Something something LANA!

[Fatty Bolger]

President Archer will Make Phrasing Great Again

[gaoxiaen]

C'mon. NSA chief.

[mr simple]

Hey @realDonaldTrump I oppose civil asset forfeiture too! Why don't you try to destroy my career you fascist, loofa-faced, shit-gibbon!

#NotNormalNotOK

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

I prefer the loofah to the washcloth.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

I heard you support Big Loofah.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Fun fact: Big Loofah was my nickname in college.

[Charles Easterly]

In the mirror it reads as "Ha Fool Gib" - which I doubt is a good band name.

[Juice]

I'm partial to the falafel.

[Chipwooder]

I can't ever hear the word loofa without thinking of Bad Santa....."Why didn't you get the loofa?"

[[username redacted]]

I think of "Elihu, could you come and loofah my stretch marks?"

[american socialist]

When a libertarian magazine uses john yoo and mccain to criticize the potus you can tell the writers ideas and thoughts are bankrupt

[jcw]

Reading comprehension is a thing, ya know.

[american socialist]

It was more of an observation today

[AddictionMyth]

OH MY GOD REASON Y DO U EVEN HAVE STUFF IN THE FIRST PLACE

[Citizen X - #6]

Is Trump a 'Fascist, Loofa-Faced, Shit-Gibbon'

If he is, how would that differentiate him from any other politician?

[DesigNate]

The other ones weren't loofa-faced?

[John]

This new found tendency to insult the President would be a lot more fun if it wasn't so obvious the people embracing it will go right back to "you have to respect the office or you are a traitor" the moment their team gets back in power.

[american socialist]

Yea

[jcw]

Well it's fun for us select few that insult the President regardless of what is inside the parentheticals.

[John]

There is nothing wrong with insulting the President. He is hired help and should be reminded of that once in a while.

[widget]

It would help to have a working, and generally agreed upon, definition of fascism.

To kick it off, I suggest Ayn Rand's definition:

http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexi.....azism.html

Read the whole thing, but if you're too busy:

Under fascism, citizens retain the responsibilities of owning property, without freedom to act and without any of the advantages of ownership.

[John]

Someone should ask this guy if he thinks Loretta Lynch, someone who loved asset forfeiture even more than Trump, is also a fascist loofa faced shit gibbon.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

She doesn't have a loofah-like face.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

You loofah her long-time.

[John]

So she is just an ordinary fascist shit gibbon?

[Fatty Bolger]

RACIST

[Zunalter]

Too slow.

[Fatty Bolger]

Time stamps say otherwise!

[Zunalter]

I meant me, not you.

[Fatty Bolger]

Oh. (grins sheepishly)

[Zunalter]

I would also refrain from the gibbon reference due to her racial heritage.

[John]

I am not the one saying supporting asset forfeiture makes you a shit gibbon. This guy is. So asking him if he thinks Lynch is one is a fair question.

[Zunalter]

You should jump on Twitter and ask! Take pics of the results!

[mr simple]

Hey now, she's not just an ordinary fascist shit gibbon; she's a fascist shit gibbon matriarch.

[Password: pode$ta]

Perhaps not. But she does look a little like Morgan Freeman.

[Citizen X - #6]

Racist!

[Password: pode$ta]

I HAVE TONS OF BLACK FRIENDS

[Citizen X - #6]

And you're always getting them confused with each other, aren't you. AREN'T YOU.

[Zunalter]

OKAY, PUERTO RICAN, BUT CLOSE ENOUGH.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Fun fact: Every time the federal government successfully steals a person's property via asset forfeiture, Morgan Freeman gets another one of those cute, little, black dots on his face.

[Citizen X - #6]

I'm kind of worried about him. He really needs to see a dermatologist.

Then again, he's currently married to his step-granddaughter, so the amount of fucks he has to give is minimal.

[Password: pode$ta]

he's currently married to his step-granddaughter

Ok... I don't think that's actually possible. Right?

[John]

Its possible. Son or daughter marries someone with kids from a previous marriage. Grandpa shows up and says "damn" and marries one of them.

[Password: pode$ta]

Thank you.

[Mickey Rat]

So he is his own step-grandson-in-law?

"Dad, you are kind of a creep!"

[gaoxiaen]

Similar situation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AvG6q_iTcA

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

Measles!

[Charles Easterly]

It will become clear around 2:33 into the cartoon.

[jcw]

Did she openly joke about destroying someone's career over it? That may be the difference here, but I can't be certain

[John]

No she just spent 15 years actually doing it and doing it with a vengeance. So yeah, actually practicing asset forfeiture and practicing it with such a ferocity that even other US Attorney's were kind of shocked is nothing like as bad as saying something mean about some state legislator. You called it John.

[jcw]

Not trying to argue how correct the response was, just letting you know why I think he reacted in the way he did.

[John]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia4rB1f7RhI

This is way cool. Militaryarcitecture.com is an awesome site.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

Arcitecture?

[John]

http://www.militaryarchitecture.com/

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

Bookmarking that site. Thanks! I'm still picking on your spelling, I expect you to do the same.

[Zunalter]

Spelling?

Oh, wait, nevermind...

[Pro Libertate]

The correctly spelled URL looks pretty interesting.

[Bill Dalasio]

Michelle Malkin wrote for Reason?!

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

No freaking way. She's a lil' attack dog. She bites peoples' heads off.

[John]

Even if she were a Libertarian, she has way too much testosterone for the staff to handle.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

She did write a book in favor of the Japanese internment, so she's obviously packing a couple of big ones.

[John]

They would have to let Soave go at the very least. Soave can't take being in the presence of the kind of testosterone Malkin has. His hair would go flat.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

She would have him bent over and begging for her to stop. Unless he was into that. NTTAWWT

[BakedPenguin]

A while ago.

[BakedPenguin]

And ironically, the article above is about asset seizure.

[Chipwooder]

That would strike me as fantastical and ludicrous if Reason didn't actually publish works by Shikha Dalmia. Since that's the case, seems like anything goes around here, no?

[Jgalt1975]

Pre-9/11, Michelle Malkin was more libertarian, but lost her mind after that.

[Juice]

Gibbon? I guess it's ok to call the president a monkey again.

[GILMORE?]

the president responded: "Who is the state senator? Want to give his name? We'll destroy his career."

is this "according to the same people who sincerely argued that Russians had 'hacked the energy grid'", or was there, like, actual recordings of this?

[Password: pode$ta]

Yes there is an actual recording.

In case you were curious, yes it was a joke and yes everyone in the room laughed.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Just like how we all laughed when President Obama threatened to sic the IRS on someone. Hilarious!

[GILMORE?]

Apparently NPR are a bunch of Trump-apologists too, because they call it a 'joke' as well

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

I love presidential jokes that threaten others!

[GILMORE?]

Get in line

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

Hilarious!

[GILMORE?]

I think the point about calling it a joke wasn't that it was funny (it wasn't; it was stupid and gross) but rather to clarify that the context wasn't sincere

quoting it without noting that it was said in jest (even if in poor taste) is intentionally misleading, esp for someone who never heard any news of the issue before. (like myself)

My point re: citing NPR was that they are certainly no Trump fans, but they at least had the editorial integrity to state outright what the context was.

You can go back to your Sugarfree'ing now.

[Suthenboy]

"We will begin bombing in five minutes."

[Password: pode$ta]

I actually thought Obama was a very funny dude, that joke just bombed really badly. The reason for that is the huge amount of evidence that the IRS was actually going after people just made the whole thing awkward. Trump has not (yet) been busted actually destroying careers of people for political ideology.

[Crusty Juggler - #2]

I am aware that President Trump has not destroyed a person's career yet, but just because it was a joke doesn't mean it's not troublesome.

[Chipwooder]

In fairness, Obama proceeded to do exactly that, so I don't think these situations are precisely comparable. Not until Trump destroys that guy's career, anyway.

[Fatty Bolger]

Reason (or anybody else) criticizing the joke is fine. Pretending that it was meant literally is not.

[GILMORE?]

^^^

[Suthenboy]

Trump is waaaaay on the wrong side of this issue. He is essentially complicit in armed robbery. I don't think it is out of malice or a desire to loot the public to fill public coffers but out of ignorance. No excuse. He should be educated by having himself or a member of his family become an unwitting victim of this wildly unconstitutional deprivation of due process. I bet he changes his tune in the blink of an eye.

I don't hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth front he Dems like I did over DeVos. It is pretty clear what their gripe is and it has nothing to do with principle. They like them some asset forfeiture too. If the rule of law is to be restored it will have to be done from the ground up. It will happen because they will go over the line. I see the cops pushing it a little further every day. The temptation of more loot is just too hard to resist.

[creech]

Leach got 65% of the vote in his senate district, so his "courage" leaves something to be desired. I wonder if President Trump's attitude would change if the Palm Beach authorities decided to seize Mar-a-lago because drugs were discovered in a member's locker? I bet there would be some "so-called sheriff" and "lying crooked" tweets thrown around.

[John]

Of course it would. But no one who supports this shit ever thinks it can happen to them.

[creech]

Surely someone in the White House is intellectually curious enough to research and discover some of the nastier abuses of asset forfeiture and bring them to Trumps attention?

[John]

Was there anyone like that in the Obama white house?

[Suthenboy]

Or Bush's? Or Clinton's? Bush Sr.? Apparently it is pretty easy to turn a blind eye when your agents have a license to steal.

[GILMORE?]

Is Trump a 'Fascist, Loofa-Faced, Shit-Gibbon' for Opposing Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform? (New Reason Podcast)

Seriously, whomever at the Reason foundation or in the staff-meeting who decided "This is how we'll get more attention from our target audience!"?.... fire them too.

The editorial strategy you've invested yourselves neck-deep in is making the lot of you look like idiots.

[Bacon-Magic et tu Crusty?]

They are attracting idiots(progressives) so it is the correct bait for the hook.

[american socialist]

If so and they want to be converted to libertarian...need some other material besides talking about trump. Progs are only against power if it isnt their team

[BakedPenguin]

I don't think they plan out the blog anywhere near the extent they plan out the magazine. I suspect the writers have a lot of choice regarding the topics they write about, and if it's not carefully edited, they wind up with TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP pot TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP senator says something dumb TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP economics.

[BakedPenguin]

I don't think they plan out the blog anywhere near the extent they plan out the magazine. I suspect the writers have a lot of choice regarding the topics they write about, and if it's not carefully edited, they wind up with TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP pot TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP senator says something dumb TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP economics.

[Zunalter]

TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP pot TRUMP TRUMP Squirrelz TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP senator says something dumb TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP economics.

[sarcasmic]

Don't you libertarians understand? This is only used against bad people! It's used to deprive King Pins of resources they would use to hire attorneys to get them off of charges that they are obviously guilty of! It would never be used against regular people because that is not the intention! It's only used against guilty people who work the system! Cops don't arrest innocent people! Cops don't take property from innocent people! They have good intentions! Why do you hate law and order! Why do you coddle criminals! Why!?!?!

[Hank Phillips]

Civil Asset forfeiture is what caused the 2007 crash that snowballed into toppling the entire economy in 2007. As in 1932-33, when Senator John Glenn (not that one... an earlier John Glenn from Illinois, not Ohio) came up with criminal asset forfeiture and Bert Hoover bought into it, every bank in America was closed by inauguration day 1933. Then Ron Reagan and George Bush repeated the fiasco in 1987, the stock market crash warned of a coming depression and the economy tanked. When Clinton jumped on the looter bandwagon it happened again and George Waffen Bush showed all of them how to use asset-forfeiture to crush not just the US economy, but the world's as well by exporting prohibitionism and this looter fetish.