With Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, Are Republicans Having a Latino Moment?
Q&A with "Ask a Mexican" columnist Gustavo Arellano
"You get all these rural Mexicans who hate the government, hate taxes, love guns, and love the liberty to get as drunk as they want. Perfect Republicans. But the Republicans will never know that," says Gustavo Arellano, author of the OC Weekly's "¡Ask a Mexican!" column and the book Taco USA: How Mexican Food Conquered America. "So there is that opening for libertarianism to get more Latinos that way."
Calls for restricting Latino immigration in the United States has damaged the Republican brand among the Hispanic electorate, says Arellano. Since George W. Bush won over 40 percent of the Hispanic vote after declaring that "family values don't stop at the Rio Grande," Republicans lost that same segment to President Obama in 2012 by a two-to-one margin.
The GOP is hoping the 2016 election will bring Hispanics back to the conservative fold by offering up not one, but two Hispanic candidates'"Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz'"for the presidential nomination.
But Arellano says that Cruz and Rubio are probably the worst candidates to attract Hispanic voters.
"Ted Cruz'"I kind of feel bad for him because people make fun of him for not speaking Spanish. But a lot of people making fun of him for that also can't speak Spanish," says Arellano. "So I feel some sympathy for the guy, but I feel that people view him as being too much of a wonk to be president."
"On the other hand," says Arellano, "Rubio is the Great Brown Hope for the GOP, but there's just something about him that rubs Latinos the wrong way. He's just a little bit too preachy and precious for everyone's taste."
Aside from personal traits, another possible sticking point is the Cuban heritage of Rubio and Cruz.
"Mexicans, we love Cubans. We love the boxers. We love the baseball players. We love the singers. But when it comes to the political side of the Cuban-American experience, we despise them," says Arellano. The problem, he says, stems from the "wet-foot, dry-foot policy" during the Cold War which automatically granted citizenship or refugee status to any Cuban that made it to American soil. "On the other hand, Mexicans'"for over a century'"we've been coming here, not only for jobs but also fleeing violence in our homeland…and fleeing economic desperation and yet we were always classified as illegals."
"There is no way someone who thinks of Mexicans as human beings will win the Republican nomination. Ever," states Arellano. "What the Republicans need to learn if they want to stay a viable party that is they have to learn Mexicans are human. Undocumented people are human."
Yet Republican repugnance isn't the end of the story. The Democrats' policy of deportation'"despite recent steps, Barack Obama has deported a record number of Hispanics'"has left Hispanics in search of a political alternative. That, says Arellano, creates a giant opportunity for libertarians in both major parties. "Young Latinos, like all young people, hate both the Democrats and the Republicans. They hate the Republicans because they demonize Latinos. They hate the Democrats because they deport Latinos. So there's no way on earth we want to stay with either of these parties."
His statements pan out. A recent Pew Research Center survey found that almost as many Hispanic Americans identify as libertarian as do whites.
"The great thing for me about a Latino identity is that you make it what you want of yourself," says Arellano. "There's this great line that an artist once said that my definition of an American is to be as Mexican as I want. So for me, my definition of Latino is to do whatever I want to do in this country. I get to choose that identity."
Produced by Alexis Garcia. Camera by Alex Manning and Paul Detrick. Chart graphic by Jason Kiesling. Music by Kevin MacLeod.
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Depends. What's the Hispanic position on pot and ass sex?
Answers: Best when in edibles; and kneeling from behind...But that's just the millenials. Older Hispanics were not surveyed.
Pot and ass sex with millenials, right?
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What's all this about potash sex?
Libertarians might consider another side of the Mexican immigration policy that gets little play in the "Pravda" MSM: "What are the Mexicans that are here legally think about the candidates?". The Mexicans holding white collar jobs have to jump through many hoops to get their Green Card. The feelings the legal Mexicans have for the illegals crossing the border can be summed up in one word: RESENTMENT. Why should there be any immigration process at all if we are going to cherry pick who gets to come-and-go at free will vs. who has to jump through years of legal hoops just to stay.
Immigration has always been about cherry-picking. Ask a foreign-born sports figure how many hoops they had to jump through.
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Ask a Mexican? Sure!
Q: Is there any pineapple in El Pollo Loco's secret chicken marinade?
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Are Hispanics Having a Libertarian Moment with Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?
Ima guess "probably not", but I'll defer to Old Mexican.
Do undocumented immigrants have the right to vote? No. So how do their views impact the election?
That's a serious Q. It depends on whether more eligible voters of similar extraction feel solidarity with, or resentment for, them on that basis.
Messikinz are all democrats.
/Hit&Runpublican;
What's libertarian about Rubio?
What's libertarian about Cruz?
I bet they're both against the dictatorship of the proletariat, extermination camps, chattel slavery, & torturing puppies.
The point is, everyone is libertarian, it's just a matter of more or less. You could look at the "more or less" details in the case of each of them, but since they're politicians in elected office, the more important Qs are how willing they are to play to popular opinion, & how libertarian popular opinion is, esp. of voters in the USA. It seems (but my judgment could be off) that as things stand now (not how they were, say, 40 yrs. ago) in the USA, the more populist a pol is, the more libertarian, because I think "the people" want somewhat more liberty than officials are currently allowing them. "Public choice" (not popular choice, but the kind of "public choice" arising from Buchanan & Tullock's theory) has not been good to individual liberty lately.
Since neither one of those guys is all that libertarian, I'ma guess: No.
With Cruz maybe, but he's far less libertarian Rand. Rubio is just Bush in brown face, another big government, warmongering shitlord that has zero regard for civil liberties.
Well put.
Yeah, had to love Rubios "New American Century" shout out to the neocons when he announced. He's horrible.
Add me to the list. You can make a semi-reasonable case that Cruz is kinda, sorta, on good days, a half-libertarian. But Rubio? Haaaahahahahaha!
rubio and Cruz are not libertarians in fact Cruz and Rubio would both want the federal government to continue to raid state licensed marijauana distribution centers
OK, that's one expressed desire of theirs, but how much do they favor or disfavor individual liberty in other areas, compared to the median opinion in the country?
And you wonder why so many stereotype libertarians as only about free drugs.
Burn it down if the wind is blowing.
Why does Reason continue to provide a platform for the odious Gustavo Arellano? I live in Orange County and know people who have had the misfortune of dealing with that smug, condescending racist. Oh, I realize he can be charming and mildly self-deprecating at times. But when the cameras aren't there the mask slips and his real personality comes out. Avoid at all costs!
There's a saying, beggars can't be choosers. There aren't many Mexicans who will say anything even remotely friendly to libertarians, and libertarians desperately want to avoid facing the fact that they are a "movement" made up entirely of White people and Jews and that when America becomes dominated demographically by non-Whites their ideology will go the way of the dodo.
In what way is Arellano Libertarian? I've read some of his OC Weekly columns and heard him on the local radio station (KROQ) and he's always come across to me as your standard California Big-Government Democrat who is only interested in HIS people. Like a lot of people who like to claim they're Libertarian, I suspect Arellano doesn't even know what that means.
Or, he's just blowing smoke...Progs do a lot of that.
Rubio might have had a "libertarian moment." Just one, though, and very fleeting.
I am for easy green cards, and nearly open borders. That does not mean I am for illegal immigration. I have a problem with the illegal part. There are far too many illegal immigrants, and admittedly the Hispanic ones are, in general, easier to spot.
I am for easy green cards, and nearly open borders. That does not mean I am for illegal immigration. I have a problem with the illegal part. There are far too many illegal immigrants, and admittedly the Hispanic ones are, in general, easier to spot.
"You get all these rural Mexicans who hate the government, hate taxes, love guns, and love the liberty to get as drunk as they want. Perfect Republicans. But the Republicans will never know that."
Mexicans hate taxes? They sure hate paying taxes, but that ain't the same as hating taxes. Poll after poll has confirmed that they want a bigger government. Love guns? I'm not sure. Mexico has a strict gun control regime and they don't seem to mind. The criminal element loves guns, for obvious reasons. They do enjoy getting drunk, not sure how that's relevant, though.
The problem is this, Mexicans hate their corrupt government, but they believe that the government in the USA is not corrupt. They really believe that. And so they believe that even more of a good thing, is even better. If only they knew the truth, but it's really hard to convince them, I've tried. Just try it, tell them the truth, they won't believe you. Things are better here, so it can't be true.
Oh, are we having another libertarian moment? And no one knows anything about this one also?
First of all, neither Cruz or Rubio are libertarian. Especially Rubio, he's not even in the ballpark of libertarian. You could make a case for Cruz, but I won't join in to help.
Second, I'm guessing that 99.999% of Mexicans if asked the question, would not even know what libertarian means.
I'm sorry, but this Arellano guy is either an outlier, or the questions he's being asked are framed in a way to get a 'libertarian moment' response out of him. Or what he's saying is being construed as a 'libertarian moment', when it isn't.
A lot of Latin Americans like guns, like to get as drunk as they want to, or do anything else they want to, and a lot of them are social conservatives compared to liberals here in the USA, but the reason most of them hate the government is because they want the government to leave them alone ... right after the government gives them more stuff.
He pieces are published in the Unz Review so I read them occasionally. Here is what he wrote about the subject:
http://www.unz.com/garellano/w.....-mexicans/
Reason is being deceptive in quoting him to make their argument.
Interesting, sex thru a hole in a sheet. Does that mean they're so disgusted by their sex partners that they don't want to look at them? Or so disgusted with themselves having sex that they don't want their partners to see them? I'm interested in that writer's metaphor.
Metaphorically, its shame of the dirty deed. And I for one, suspect Ted Cruz likes it that way.
Well, this guy, maybe he fashions himself as a libertarian, and so he wants to speak for most of those Mexican immigrants from the countryside as being libertarian and project the voices inside his head onto them, but I believe that he's totally full of shit to put it bluntly. Just wanting to do what you want to do sure as hell does not make you a libertarian.
So they may be more libertarian leaning than American leftists in a way, but I'm going to wait until they start speaking for themselves and see what they have to say. When one guy takes it on himself to speak for everyone in a certain group, and they magically just happen to agree with him, I start to smell bullshit.
I'm guessing that 99% would answer correctly that it means favoring liberty.
You're going to follow up w a statement that can be caricatured as, "But how many times have they read Atlas Shrugged?" Well, whoopee. Do you question whether someone makes appropriate use of the word "conservative" if they haven't read Edmund Burke lately, or "socialist" if they don't wear a red rose?
You can understand the world generally without being a philosopher, so don't judge avg. political thinking by the standards of a political scientist. People understand "libertarian" a lot better on avg. than they understand "conservative" or "liberal" or "progressive" these days because the latter are such hodgepodges of ideas that even I don't really understand them.
Go ahead, try to sum up some other "label" as briefly & meaningfully & uncontroversially as to say "Libertarian means favoring liberty." Knock yourselves out.
No, I'm being honest, I don't think most of them will even be able to tell you what it means. And I know a lot of people from Central and South America. There are quite a few libertarians in Brazil, but most of them are from the upper class and are white and male, just like the stereotype implies, but I've never heard of a Mexican libertarian. Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I don't believe your claim that 99% of them would define what a libertarian is.
And no, I wasn't going to ask if they've read Ayn Rand, because I don't think that 99.999% of them know who the hell she is.
Don't you think if you asked them, they'd say it had to do w liberty?
And how many Mexicans have you heard of whose politics you paid att'n to at all? I've hardly ever heard of a Mexican anything, but that doesn't mean there aren't any, or even many, of them. Ever heard of a Mexican pianist? A Mexican siding salesman? A Mexican Jew?
Liberty has many meanings to many different people.
I realize that among the posters here there are varying degrees of optimism and pessimism, ranging from what I consider overly optimistic to extremely cynical.
That being said, it's seems like the Reason staff are on a constant liquid diet of happy juice. It's sort of liberal mindset like in it's naivete. This article is just so much fluff again. Most of us have to deal with the real world and while there are occasional small victories for liberty happening these days, we are light years away from any type of libertarian moment.
They love a 'cultural liberalism' and they love non-White immigration. When these things conflict with libertarianism, as they typically do, it's see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil.
The liquid diet of happy juice goes back 40 yrs. Their mimeo days were different, but since it became a real magazine, Reason has always focused on the asset side of the ledger. It wasn't necessarily giddily so, or fluffy in style or content, as it may appear to be at the moment, but that gen'l outlook was always there, as opposed to more curmudgeonly outlets for libertarian thought.
I'm wondering if a lot of people who when they 1st heard the name Mark O'Rubio assumed he was Irish-American & then, unlike me, didn't continue to pay att'n until they learned the right spelling of his name, & therefore don't get the Hispanic cx.
I lol'd. I had never thought of that.
I wonder how many think that Martino Malley is Latin? Oh yeah, they've never heard of him.
There's nothing Mexicans love more than white Cuban conservatives, and that should make libertarians happy. Or something.
I'd like to see that Canadian birth certificate to prove Cruz is Latino. And dreaming of a day when taxes can be done on a postcard is no indication of libertarianism. It is however, a sure sign of delusional thinking.
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Arellano is a idiot.
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I think it doesn't hurt that you have two Hispanics, one whose first language is spanish running for president in the republican party. However ideology trumps racial group loyalty, Ideology reigns supreme. So ultimately it's about the message and marketing for low information voters and spreading your ideology. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are way better than any democrat on economic issues, so as a pragmatic libertarian I would support either of them over Hillary in a heart beat, I REALLY CARE ABOUT ECONOMIC GROWTH, what Obama has done on the economic front is just horrible. On immigration, republicans need to polish their rhetoric to on the one hand cater to Americans that are upset about people breaking laws and concerned about the border as it relates to national security, and also come across as understanding of the people that come here illegally by showing compassion. Republican politicians have tended to cater more to the 'angry about illegal immigration camp'.
I believe republicans can still appeal to these people without having to alienate people like Mexican Americans that are more sympathetic to struggles and suffering of illegal immigrants. I mean it really is about rhetoric, because if you think about it, when it comes to immigration policy Republicans and Democrats aren't all that different, they both believe we should have limits on immigration, we should only let a certain number of people in to the country. So on the broader question of immigration they are the same. Democrats are not for OPEN BORDERS, they believe people should be STOPPED from coming into the country illegally, right? And also believe they should be deported if caught. As far as illegal immigrants in the country, a lot of republicans support legalizing their status with work visas, like democrats. So it's mainly about rhetoric. Republicans are more concerned with fairness as proportionality.
So they are concerned, I think rightfully so, that if you give work visas to illegal immigrants in the country even if that is not your intention you're in a way condoning the behavior, what happens when you have a rule that says "you shouldn't do X' and then someone does 'X' and you're like OK I guess we'll give you what you wanted? More people go for 'X' because while you say you oppose 'X' you don't REALLY mean it. Democrats NEVER deal with this basic question of incentives, it's like everyone assumes time will freeze and no more illegal immigrants will come in. I am personally for more of open borders but I understand the concerns on the conservative side, in terms of rule of law and incentives for undesired behavior, in this case people jumping the fence or overstaying their visas.
The editors seem to be really hooked on the idea of "moments".
I am profoundly sorry, but whenever I see either of these idiots all I can do is imagine them in metallic mesh shirts and spanx, and then I start laughing.
Really good article, I really like.