Pregnancy and Addiction: Should the State Mandate Treatment?
Darienne Dykes smiled as she thought about her 5-month old son, Phoenix. "He's everything to me," says the 21-year-old Nashville resident. "Being a mother is just the most amazing experience." Wiping tears from her eyes, she continued, "And now looking back, I definitely regret continuing using drugs during my pregnancy."
In continuing to use drugs during pregnancy, Dykes is not alone. The number one cause of death in Tennessee is drug overdose, surpassing the number of vehicle accidents fatalities in 2013. And pregnant women aren't immune from addiction: approximately 900 babies were born with Neonatal Abstinence Syndrome (NAS) in the state last year, a ten-fold increase from a decade ago. NAS is caused when mothers continue their opiate or narcotic drug use through pregnancy; babies can usually be weened off the drug within a few weeks after birth and there are no known long term effects.
However, Tennessee officials have declared NAS an "epidemic" and took action this past July with the implementation of Public Chapter 820. The law makes it possible for a woman to be charged with assault for the use of a narcotic drug while pregnant if her child is born harmed by the drug. An assault conviction is punishable by a fine and anywhere from one to 15 years in prison. So far, around 9 women have been charged under this law. The law has been controversial, with opponents saying it's counter-productive to put a drug-addicted mother in jail.
Shelby County District Attorney Amy Weirich, a strong proponent of the law, says the law does not intend to lock up these women. Instead, she believes the law is more like state-sponsored "motivation" to seek treatment.
"What we hope to do is to get these women help for their addiction," says Weirich, explaining that the women have the choice to go through drug court and complete rehabilitation instead of being processed through the regular criminal justice system. Once treatment is successfully completed, says Weirich, the charges would be expunged from their record.
However, a 2005 GAO report concluded that up to 70 percent of all drug court participants do not complete the treatment programs—and if the program is not completed, then jail time is the consquence.
Weirich and the co-sponsor of the bill, state representative Mike Carter, expressed concern for the newborn babies and a desire to help the addicted mothers. However, Thomas Castelli of Tennessee's American Civil Liberties Union, says threatening these mothers with the criminal justice system doesn't help when there's not enough drug treatment facilities to begin with. There are only 19 facilities in the entire state that offer rehabilitative care to pregnant women, and these are mostly centered in populated areas, leaving rural women with the burden of driving long distances to attend treatment. For many of these lower-income, single mothers this is logistically difficult. And there are only two facilities in the state that offer prenatal care and allow a woman's pre-existing children to accompany her to treatment–another logistical necessity for many of these women. This shortage in treatment facilities has resulted in long waitlists ranging from a few weeks to a few months. Due to the new law, this waitlist can mean the difference between freedom and imprisonment for a preganant woman.
Furthermore, Dr. Jessica Young, leading doctor at Vanderbilt's Drug Dependency Clinic for pregnant women, says the new law will encourage women not to seek prenatal care for fear of being arrested. Weirich disagrees, saying the law explicitly says the babies have to be birthed before legal action takes place and "we're not talking about police sweeping into OBGYN offices and arresting women who have a hot urine screen when they go in for their six month prenatal check-up."
But Young counters, telling CNN, "Pregnancy is often a really motivating time for these women to get their lives turned around, so we really have a critical time to work with them. This is a population of women who are already scared. They're already very distrustful in general of authority and the medical establishment and it takes a long time for them to build up trust. So this bill will make that harder."
Castelli argues that the law not only will prove to be counterproductive but is unconstitutional. "It violates the 8th amendment. The Supreme Court back [in 1962] determined that it would be cruel and unusual to punish people for having a status or having an illness," he says. The case, Robinson v. California, concluded that the state's law which criminalized being a drug addict was unconstitutional. Castelli argues that this law does the same thing.
The law has a sunset provison and is set to expire in two years, at which time lawmakers will review its efficacy and consider extending it. In the meantime Dykes, who has been clean for nine months, plans to continue her successful drug rehabilitation for years to come.
"Just the joy he brings me from hearing the little giggle to seeing the little smile, there's nothing else that can beat that in life," says Dykes. "There's no drug that can give you that feeling."
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The Prohibitionists are involved in mass murder. The Reagan administration tried to suppress the finding that cannabis is effective against cancer. You can look it up. Of course the Democrats did nothing when they had a chance.
Cannabis cures cancer. Cancer kills 586,000 Americans every year. Every Prohibitionist is complicit in mass murder.
I would gladly share my cannabis with any cancer patient.
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Although to be fair, I don't think it's technically accurate to say cannabis cures cancer. It does lead to better outcomes in conjunction with other treatments, such as chemo, but cannabis by itself does not cure cancer.
There does seem to be some evidence of anti-cancer effects from some cannabinoids. The effect is evident in some studies comparing cannabis and tobacco smoking, for example.
I don't think the evidence is terribly strong at this point, but it doesn't help that it is hard to get permission to do a proper study involving cannabis.
The effect is evident in some studies comparing cannabis and tobacco smoking, for example.
There's plenty of evidence of the benign and even beneficial nature of cannabinoids and marijuana derivatives. Similar data is known/exists for nicotine.
Turns out lighting stuff on fire and sticking it in your face, whether it's tobacco, marijuana, beef, ears of corn, or marshmallows, is not the best of ideas.
But I'm sure we can fund studies to get to the bottom of the problem for the next 1-200 yrs.
I'm talking smoked cannabis vs. smoked tobacco. On paper, smoked cannabis should be at least as carcinogenic as tobacco, but it isn't.
What I'm saying is that there is some evidence to suggest a possible anti-cancer effect from something in pot, i.e. it is good for more than just controlling symptoms and side effects of chemo. Of course some good studies are needed to make any definite statements about it.
I'm not arguing that cannabis is not effective at all for cancer treatment. It surely is beneficial, although it's far better to ingest it as cannabis oil or butter than smoking it. Of course, it would have to be legalized on a federal level to get any good studies on it.
I highly doubt cannabis cannabis does much for cancer other than help with symptoms. If it did Pharma companies would've made use of it for their own bottom lines a while ago. There are a lot of chemicals found to have slight correlations with better prognosis, like flavanoids. But, as I expect is the case with cannabis, sensationalist journalists and science writers overhype even the mildest of findings to bait for clicks.
This is why I do not read popular science articles; too much bullshit. Better to stick with the original research articles.
Oh, please.
Even if you could say that cannabis has no medicinal value at all, the prohibitionists are still complicit in mass murder and assorted other heinous crimes against humanity. In a civilized world, this wouldn't happen.
I don't really think you can say that. Every human civilization on record has had social taboos, hysterias, and such-like that almost certainly caused deaths and misery. Civilization isn't perfect, amd probably isn't perfectable. It's one hell of an improvement on living in trees and dying by 35, though.
And how about FAS? Are they going to make drinking alcohol in pregnancy illegal?
Of course they are.
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I read one story where a lady was so high on drugs that she paid some dude to stick a vacuum cleaner into her uterus and suck her baby out. It's a fucked up world, man.
And if only drugs had been illegal, that never would've happened.
I wonder which Tennessee abortion provider(s) helped draft this law.
A woman is not a real woman until she gets at least a half-dozen 'borshuns under her belt.
WTF does this article have to do with abortions??
Why, absolutely everything if one is clinically obsessed with abortion as are most of the SoCons here.
No discussion of child abuse can be had without them attempting to derail the discussion into a discussion of what they consider the ultimate form of child abuse. No discussion of civil rights can be allowed to proceed without a mention of the ultimate abuse of civil rights.
Abortion will likely be an unintended consequence of this law. If women face jail time for using drugs while pregnant, it's pretty logical to assume more women will consider getting abortions in order to avoid going to jail.
Fair enough. But then again, I think pregnancy is a life event that would cause most women to just quit. It's an awful law regardless of unintended consequences, and taking a child's mother away for 1-15 years is far worse for a child than nine months of addiction in utero that only takes a couple weeks to treat.
You know who else liked getting abortions?
Well, if a state has a fetal violence law on the books it's not to much of a hop, skip and/or jump to holding someone accountable for NAS or FAS.
This is certainly a logical outcome of the fetal personhood concept. It's illegal all over the place to slip someone a toxic substance or to give them controlled substances without their knowledge/permission/consent.
Well, even actual children cannot give proper (legal) consent. And parents are not allowed to let their kids drink even an ounce of wine at a family gathering. This is one of those marvelous places that hardcore anti-abortion socons and nanny-state progs agree.
I'm actually kind of torn on this. I believe drugs should be legalized. My "personhood" stance is conflicted, re abortion. And my general attitude, based on the NAP, is that you shouldn't inflict the negative consequences of your own choices on others.
For me the issue is giving the state that type of power over our lives, and the state coopting hospitals and doctors into being their agents. The observed problems with that outweigh any benefits.
Many low-income people already avoid the hospital for labor and delivery, they just wait till delivery is imminent and call the rescue squad who deliver the baby onsite unless there's something they can't handle.
What Tonio said. Not every law is worth the price of enforcing.
I would much rather the policy be one of free rehab. I just don't know how you get a junkie to agree without a stick.
Of course the legitimacy of any of this is predicated on the belief that this is tantamount to child abuse. I understand the attraction of interest-balancing/utilitarianism but if you believe that's a person, well, we've just transported ourselves smack into the abortion debate.
Forcing junkies into rehab generally doesn't do any good anyway. Especially if said rehab is a BS 12-step program. That's like court ordering you to go to church. Wrong wrong wrong.
It's also illegal all over the place for any person to slip into a woman's vagina without her consent. So, I'm not sure the "fetal personhood concept" really matters much for these kinds of arguments.
Well in 95% of the cases it is more accurate to say that the woman forced the child into her vagina without its consent. In the other 5% of the cases its accurate to say her rapist forced the child into her vagina without her consent, and unless something has changed recently, unless your life is in danger it is really hard to justify killing one person for another person's actions.
"Some people believe this is a very tender time when the woman's pregnant ... but there is accountability," she said. "These are illegal narcotics. This is something that's criminal anyway. They choose to do this, they choose to ingest it. We're going to give them a choice to take a misdemeanor or take drug court."
legalize it
But then literally everyone would be addicted to literally everything.
Yes, just like legalizing gay marriage will make everyone gay.
Oh, thop it!
Tea hop it?
Exactly. Stop treating addicts like criminals.
You don't understand. Drug use is a sign of a moral failing. When people seek out to get high it shows that they are not morally pure.*
On top of that the fact that drug users disobey the law shows that they don't have any respect for any laws, including laws against rape and murder.
*Natural highs, like the ones you get when you toss a grenade into an occupied crib, are good and wonderful. It's the unnatural ones, like when you ingest plants, that are bad.
Unless you are a cop or Taliban, I don't think you get a natural high from tossing a grenade into an occupied baby crib.
It's either a moral failing or a "disease" that makes people into helpless automatons. In either case it provides the state with an excuse to fuck with you and deny you your freedom and autonomy.
There you go again, Sarc. You and your crazy notions of holding cops liable for their violent actions.
Lol, I love your comments!
Problem is this drug use actually does hurt a human being, when it is born.
If I were to set up a bomb on a one month timer in a maternity ward, and killed a dozen babies a month later, would I be off the hook because they were all in the womb when I did the action?
Of course not. There was a civil case in England where the daughter was suing the mother for her disabilities due to her mother's drug use during pregnancy. It got thrown out. What thinks the average zealous "fetus is not a human being at all costs" libertarian on the civil suit? Should it have been thrown out?
What thinks the average zealous "fetus is not a human being at all costs" libertarian on the civil suit?
Cytotoxic is now the "average libertarian"?
He's trolling, K-bol.
Not trolling, I wasn't saying the average libertarian is like that, I was wondering what the libertarians who do think like that would have to say.
The same Cytotoxic that calls Ron Paul a loon?
More like Psychotoxic, amirite?
"Psychotoxic". Ok, you owe me royalties on that, I thought of it first.
The bomb is a terrible analogy. Being born dependent on some drug doesn't necessarily mean that any harm has been done. Obviously drug use can harm your unborn child, but so can a lot of other things that you can do while pregnant. Two problems here are that drug use is singled out and that it is not clear that in all, or even most, cases enforcing this law will cause less harm than not enforcing it. And that should be the ultimate test for whether any law should exist.
The problem is where does it end. Should someone who doesn't eat right or engages in dangerous activities like riding a motorcycle while pregnant also be punished? If not, why not?
While I personally think the mother who gets addicted to drugs while pregnant is guilty of a crime, I think the price of punishing her for that is too high to justify doing it.
That's pretty much where I come down on it too. Yes it's bad. I know people with FAS, and they will have problems their whole lives. It sucks. But there needs to be a strong line drawn between areas that are private and personal and areas where the state has any legitimate role. Once this is accepted as a legitimate role for the state, there is nothing to stop punishing women for not eating well, driving on bumpy roads or watching scary movies while pregnant.
This whole argument is like saying you shouldn't be able to jail someone for assault, because where does it end? Jailing someone for tickling someone else?
Seriously, the slippery slope argument kind of sucks.
The only argument of merit that I've seen is that it could possibly do more harm than good to the child. But jail often does more harm than good to each and every individual and their families, justice is more about deterrence.
So the question then becomes, does the law deter this type of behavior?
Let me add, that when I say behavior, I believe it to be criminal behavior that violates the rights of the child on the part of the mother.
At the time the woman uses the drugs, there is no "child" or "person" whose rights could be violated.
That is a huge baseless assertion of fact.
A woman makes many choices that affect the future of her kids. Drug use is just one, and probably completely minor compared to, say, the choice of man she chooses to sleep with. Are you going to punish women for genetically bad taste in men?
Fact is that drug use by pregnant women, while obviously undesirable, is not the same as an assault on a human being.
Have you considered the idea that banning women from doing these things while pregnant will lead to more abortions?
Or is your plan to ban women from injesting these products, AND ban abortion? Are we trying to make pregnancy the anti-drug now?
"PREGNANCY: YOU'RE PRETTY MUCH FUCKED"
Oh darn, a policy that will cause us to have fewer drug addicted mothers and their parasite kids.
Driving drunk doesn't necessarily mean that you're going to run over a kid or veer into the other lane head on with a family of 5 in the other car.
I have this conversation once in a while, and I tend to get punched in the dick for my opinion on the matter.
I think driving drunk should be legal. Right now, at this exact moment, how many people do you think are driving drunk? When you consider the limitations of enforcement in this matter, and the fact that Cops, Judges, and other Authority Figures are allowed to drive drunk with impunity, there are plenty of drunk drivers on the road every moment of every day.
Most of these people don't kill anybody. They don't even get into accidents. You should punish people for actually causing harm, not for the potential to cause harm. Should we prosecute people with guns for pre-murder? Should we prosecute smokers for pre-arson? Why do we prosecute drivers for pre-accidents?
The solution is pretty simple: If you're drunk or otherwise incapacitated and you cause an accident, you get prosecuted as if you had gone out and commited that crime. Vandalism, destruction of property, assault, battery, manslaughter, etc.
Punishing people for their potential to cause harm is wrong.
I've always thought that as well, but that's up there with hating cops in terms of things best not to say in public.
^ response to drunk russian
I agree. And as it stands, if you get in an accident and you are drunk, you are ALWAYS at fault, regardless if you caused the accident or not.
Drunk driving is the sacrificial lamb to appease the irrationally irate, because it's relatively easy to enforce using BAC. How many accidents are caused by inattention? Tired drivers, eating a big mac, talking on the phone, putting on makeup, talking to passengers, putting a new 8-track disk in, hell, I passed a guy reading a fucking newspaper, but people reserve their wrath for drunks and it's easy to "prove".
I watched one of those mythbuster type shows, years ago, that showed that a guy who'd been up for 24 hours was roughly equivalent to the guy having 5 shots of whiskey.
The other thing that's true about drunk driving (at least notionally) is, as with anything in life, the more you do it, the better you get at it. Try floating that one to the GP.
Statistically speaking, you are far more likely to run into a tree and die (single car collision) than run over somebody when you are coming home from a bar at 2 am in the morning.
Therefore, as an organ donor (and there are people dying on wait lists daily), I'm far more likely to save a bunch of people's lives than kill them by drunk driving.
Doesn't West Virgina have a similar law?
Even if drugs were legal, I'm not sure that the State should do absolutely nothing about damage inflicted on fetuses/infants by drug use.
It strikes me as a form of abuse, is all. Just because baseball bats are legal doesn't mean you can beat your kid with one.
It certainly is something like abuse. But I'd still be very hesitant to support any law about it. For one thing, I'd want to see some proof of harm done. FAS obviously can be a serious problem, but it is not so obvious that, say, opioid dependence at birth causes any lasting harm. And didn't crack babies turn out to be a lot less of a long term problem than people had thought.
I'd also want to make sure that the law does more good than harm to the baby.
merely the amount of suffering the baby has to go through to "beat" the addiction is torturous. at a minimum, even if no lasting danger, you are subjecting your child to a torturous withdrawal. ask any addict - withdrawal is a horrible experience.
Fuck off, Dunphy.
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FTFY
Being a baby seems to be a pretty horrible experience, judging from all the screaming they do. Yet we all manage to survive it.
And I wouldn't call the babies addicts. Addiction is a lot more than dependence on a drug. Withdrawals suck, but they aren't the really hard part of beating an addiction. For the baby, the experience is not much different from a mild illness.
I imagine that circumcision is pretty awful to experience, but I don't remember it.
What do you think it's like going through nicotine withdrawal as a newborn? You want to outlaw smoking while pregnant?
For one thing, I'd want to see some proof of harm done.
I'd like to see some sort of aggressive statute of limitations and/or mens rea, as well. A woman snorting/shooting herself into unconsciousness right up to the delivery date is a different animal than a woman discovers she's pregnant and quits her prescription meds.
I'd also tip my hat to the usual notion of sunsetting. At some point heroin/crack won't be the drug du jour and natural birth(s) will be passe;grave;. I'm sure neither of those facts will stop anyone from judging mothers though.
right. because involuntarily addicting somebody to opioid analgesics in and of itself (apart from other possible harms) isn't clearly a "harm"
seriously.
christ, even when it comes to an obvious issue of needed justice like the abhorrent war on drugs some reasonoid silliness will still prevail
"yea, addicting babies to opioid analgesics!!! is that bad? i need proof? a million addicts who say addiction sucks and withdrawal is hell isn't enough!!!"
christ on a popsicle!
Is everyone who is given large doses of opioids for extended periods for pain an addict?
For that matter, is going through opioid withdrawal that big of a deal?
I've been on and off opioid painkillers for years now, because of a horribly painful knee injury. I've gone through withdrawal quite a few times now.
It's unpleasant, but not something you can't get over.
A more interesting experience is withdrawal from tramadol. Don't expect to live a normal life during that interval, but aside from being inconvenient, it doesn't hurt, and it's not even scary once you realize what's happening. It's a kind of trip.
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Drug use is a self regarding act. That is why the state should have no authoritah to regulate it.
Drug use WHILE PREGNANT is an other regarding act.
They are wholly distinguishable.
With added rights (relating to pregnancy) comes added responsibility.
Whether or not one believes there should be criminal sanctions for this shit, it's wholly distinguishable from mere drug use, since it is not merely self-regarding. There is a third party affected (just like abortion in general and fwiw I am pro choice), which is not the case with garden variety drug use.
Frankly, it's unfortunately unconstitutional but people should be free to use whatever drug they want to, but the state should just be able to (temporarily) sterilize them with an implant or whatnot WHILE they choose to engage in drug use.
If you want to recreationally use drugs, or use them to the point of overdose, that is your decision (and of course Narcan should be over the counter and we are seeing some neat advancements in this area in some jurisdictions, and since most lethal overdoses of opioids are witnessed, having narcan available to your buddy if you overdose is a massive lifesaver).
If you want to use opioids etc. and in the process INTRODUCE THEM into your soon to be born kid's bloodstream, fuck you!
But again, even temporary forced sterilization is unconstitutional. whereas prohibiting drug use is not... which gets it backwards
All of that assumes that the fetus is a person who has rights and not a glob of cells. If you believe that assumption, good for you. I share that assumption. The problem is that I don't see how you can believe that assumption and also support legal abortion. The law has a duty to be rational. And saying that a woman who gets her unborn child addicted to drugs is a criminal but one who kills her unborn child is just making a choice for a medical procedure is utterly irrational and insane.
If you want legal abortion, then you have to say the woman who does drugs is not a criminal. And if you want to make her a criminal, you need to ban abortion as well.
You don't have to have presumed rights to make that distinction. If you inflict suffering, what's the difference what type of living thing is feeling the suffering? But if you're dead, how do you suffer?
There is no "third party" yet; it is just being created. That "third party" only comes into existence with birth.
Let's say the mother chooses to have sex with someone with an IQ of 80 instead of someone with an IQ of 120. Did she harm the child she was going to give birth to, or did she simply make a choice that resulted in a different child? And who says that one kind of child is preferable to the other?
It's not worth anything, because it's you. Fuck off.
Law of unintended consequences...
Not mentioned, but if you wish to keep doing drugs and want to avoid going to jail, you simply abort the fetus.
Great job Tennessee, encouraging abortion!
true, except you cant abort on demand in the later trimesters!
i don't give a flying fuck if you shoot up heroin when you are 3 weeks pregnant.
do it at 7 months pregnant and fuck you!
true, except you cant abort on demand in the later trimesters!
Oh yes you can. Late term abortion is entirely legal. At most there is an "only for the health of the mother exclusion" which is effectively meaningless since no court or state government will ever second guess the judgement of a doctor and abortionists just rubber stamp such things.
"Should the state "
No.
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No. On efficacy grounds, principle grounds, and cost/benefit grounds, no.
Very well and concisely stated.
That essentially goes to the question of whom is Sovereign - The State, or The People.
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Someone tell me why I, a man, should give two shits about violations of women's autonomy for the protection of their fetus when it is legal to violate a man's autonomy (send him to prison) to protect his paycheck on behalf of whatever woman had his nuts given to her by the courts (in the form of child support)?
When they abolish debtor's prison for men then maybe I'll start to care about women's reproductive rights.
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This law is ridiculous. The woman is an innocent victim. Somewhere there is a man responsible for her drug use. Some awful man triggered her to use the drugs. She should just be able to pick the guy who is responsible and then the bastard goes to jail. Because patriarchy and rape culture.
The fact that she's pregnant proved she was raped. When aren't intellectually capable of choosing to have sex. Even if she was artificially inseminated it has to be because some man "tricked" her.
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My body, my choice. Why would there be exceptions?
Because FYTW. I know, that's always the reason. but it seems especially true here, given how many of the "my body, my choice" people in government are the same ones screaming about how we need laws like this.
Who's responsible for this whopper? I see it's in the cited article, which is bad enough, but then you quote it uncritically? Possibly the original source, whoever that was, was referring to some subset of deaths in the state.
I looked it up in the state's vital statistics. Of course, it wasn't even close to this. Heart disease is far & away the biggest cause, and total accidental deaths don't come even close.
That is fucking amazing that OD's outrank vehicle collisions?
Wow. Give credit to the war on drugs (for making drug use MORE dangerous) and MADD, legislators (car safety mandates, harsher DUI laws), cops, prosecutors, auto manufacturers, Ralph Nader (God forbid but it's true. He's no Borlaug but he's done his part), emergency medicine, firefighters, EMT's, EMT-p's, ambulance companies, engineers (better freeway design) etc
Chance of death per mile driven is 20% of peak! A few decades ago!
Just because you read it in an article doesn't make it true but assuming it is, that's wild crazy stuff!
Oh wait
As I suspected it might be bullshit
This is yet another double standard in that bigots actually question the media as they should except with one major exception when it's something negative about police in which case it must absolutely be true without question!!!!
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"Chance of death per mile driven is 20% of peak! A few decades ago!"
Its part in part due to car safety improvements, but also in part due to population composition changes. Teens are the worst drivers due to lack of experience, and there are fewer of them relative to the Boomer generation. Less inexperienced drivers on the roads = less fatalities.
Sure, there are a metric assload of factors
That is one
Emergency medicine is also far far advanced and decades ago ambulances were literally meat wagons where they just threw somebody in and drove him to the hospital whereas nowadays we have paramedics in direct contact with doctors at the hospital and they are able to use tons of advanced medical intervention that was simply not available to even doctors years ago let alone personnel in the field
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Lord, please make my enemies ridiculous
First Johnson the guy who invented the whole hands up don't shoot thing turned out to be a complete and total wire in his claims and now another media darling turns out to be a bald-faced criminal scum
Not surprisingly it may be politically incorrect but it's astonishing how many vicious anti police scum and even 'peaceful protesters' turn out to be criminal ASSMUNCHES
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WE ARE WINNING
(And yes, we are on high alert dipshits!)
It only takes one to kill multiple cops!
Hth
'Liar in his claims'
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Who is this "we" you speak of?
The blue brotherhood, you civilian pos Booyah!1!
Other dead people = irrelevant
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Look up racial huckster at urban dictionary?
Sharpton is the example!!!
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Not sure why reason is resurrecting this somewhat old article but let's remember doing drugs is a personal decision that is in no way shape or form the business of government but doing drugs while you're pregnant is not a self regarding act since it is introducing drugs into a babies bloodstream which have long-term Albeit media overblown consequences
When done in first trimester etc. it raises some interesting ethical questions since it is my belief and it is the law that a woman can abort such a organism Atwill on-demand but if instead the woman is doing massive quantities of drugs and decides to have the child then it could have created some harm to a person although my (limited ) understanding is that harm factor increases over time - iow bender at 1 month < damaging than at 7 months
But could be wrong.
If the anti-drug Crusaders could be bothered to get their facts straight, there might - MIGHT - be an argument for this. But they can't be bothered, and so I have to believe that laws about this would do much more harm than theyw ould prevent.
Eh, if you treat women just like you treat anyone else this law makes sense. Right now if your employer puts you in a environment that causes damage to your future children, you can sue them for damages on behalf of the child. This is true even if they told you about the dangers ahead of time. So why wouldn't the same be true for women? If they put their bodies in an environment that is harmful to their future children? Why can't the state presses charges on behalf of the child?
How laws are currently written women not being punished for their actions during pregnancy is an anomaly.
Dude that is like totally insane man.
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Drug addiction is not a disease or a disorder. It is simply a choice, regardless of what the drug 'addicts' say (typically they have a lifelong history of lying so why anyone would believe a word out of their mouths is beyond me). Therefore there is no 'treatment' for it. In fact, treatment programs have been shown consistently to make compulsive drug use worse, including bingeing. Which makes sense when you realize that typical treatment programs like AA (12 Step programs) actually brainwash people into powerlessness to drugs/alcohol and compulsive use. The only legit treatment for opioid dependence is detox, which is a simple, comfortable procedure that just takes 2 days max. And rarely are people like this even dependent on opiates. You have to take it consistently for months to get a dependency. Drug use should not be punished or treated.
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