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Leaked Louis C.K. Set Puts Comedian Back in Outrage Spotlight: Reason Roundup

Plus: New York seriously limits cigarette sales and #MeToo hits the Bernie Sanders campaign.

Comedian Louis C.K. is back in bad graces with would-be culture cops, after joking in a leaked set that teens today—including survivors of Parkland school shooting—are boring and making cracks about young people asking to be called by particular pronouns. In response, C.K. has been declared "alt-right," "canceled," and an old fart who just doesn't get it.

A disheartening number of critics have focused on the comedian's age. He's only 51, but to hear Twitter tell it, C.K. is basically a doddering old fool who should be put out to pasture and proof that no one older than 40 has any worthwhile perspective. While bashing C.K.'s embrace of stereotypes, non-inclusive language, and other unfashionable tropes, they've been quick to declare more than half the population to be intellectually and artistically useless.

But perhaps—and I hope you'll hear me out here even though I'm more than a couple years past Logan's Run doom—some entertainers, artists, or pundits might just be bad, boring, or whatever you don't like about them because they're them, not because their brains have been melted by age and everyone Gen X and up should just die.

Another critical refrain has been to point out that C.K. promised to listen more after being accused by multiple women of making them uncomfortable with requests to masturbate in front of them. Though his 2017 comments on that front were related to women, sexual activity, and boundaries, some seem to have taken them as a promise to shut up always and about everything.

As many have pointed out, C.K.'s latest stand-up routine sounds a lot like his previous work—which was never perfectly in line with "P.C." values even when he was younger. So, no, C.K. didn't emerge from his masturbation-reckoning a totally changed person, but this likely has nary to do with aging or a lack of commitment to consent.

Still, "dude's out here doing stand-up as if he's somehow impervious to the repercussions of [his] actions," states Paste, making explicit the undercurrent of so much current outrage culture. The goal is to prevent people whom the appropriate online factions have deemed doomed from finding work, expressing themselves, or participating in public spheres in perpetuity.

None of this is especially novel at this point, alas, so let's at least note the irony: C.K.'s set was private. A tiny group of people paying to be there could have been the only witnesses to this allegedly wicked man's words. Now the internet is abuzz about C.K.'s set and his name is back atop headlines.

The "dude's out here" being heard because of those allegedly aghast at him being allowed to speak.


Good news for the First Amendment and engineers in Oregon.

• New York is banning cigarette sales at any store that includes a pharmacy section.

• Hemp companies are finding trouble on Facebook.

• #MeToo hits the Bernie Sanders campaign:

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    New York is banning cigarette sales at any store that includes a pharmacy section.

    Hopefully pharmacists who defy the ban don't get chokeheld.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Hemp companies are finding trouble on Facebook.

    Farmville glitch.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Exclusive: More than 2 dozen women and men who worked on Bernie's 2016 campaign are seeking a meeting with Sanders + advisers to "discuss the issue of sexual violence and harassment on the 2016 campaign" according to a copy of letter obtained by POLITICO.
    — Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) December 31, 2018

    Hillary is running again.

  • Rich||


  • Fist of Etiquette||

    i mean he's like a RW comic now. hes milo
    — jack allison (@jackallisonLOL) December 31, 2018


  • damikesc||

    They wonder why the NPC meme worked so fucking well to describe them.

    "We want people to speak to truth to power and to rebel...but only within very specific parameters!"

  • Don't look at me!||


  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Welcome back, ENB. (Although I was once trapped in a Thai cave for 18 days and yet somehow always managed to meet my online posting obligations.)

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    The most jarring euphemism yet. Did you forget your muscle relaxants in the U.S.?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Meh. I was hoping 2019 would bring good news that she was gone along with Shikha, Boehm, Gillespie, and Walker.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    It ain't 2019 yet. The rest of us are wondering about YOU.

  • TuIpa||

    "The rest of us are wondering about YOU."

    We are?

  • 0x1000||


  • loveconstitution1789||

    I see the December trolls like ahf arent leaving.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    It ain't 2019 yet.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    It's 2019 for most of the World.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Still, "dude's out here doing stand-up as if he's somehow impervious to the repercussions of [his] actions," states Paste, making explicit the undercurrent of so much current outrage culture.

    Someone must be appointed to mete out the social justice to these culture war criminals. I nominate myself.

  • Rich||

    his masturbation-reckoning

    Nice band name.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    "I reckon, why I reckon, I said I reckon, boy, I reckon quite frequently."

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    You reckon, I ken.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    Me kemo sabe, she fauxchahantas.

  • TangoDelta||

    I love kemo sabe! Oh wait, maybe I'm thinking of kambing sate - yeah, that's it, kambing sate. Never mind.

  • Rich||

    "People trust pharmacies to help them stay well -- they should be helping smokers quit, not the opposite," said Dr. Herminia Palacio, deputy mayor for Health and Human Services.

    These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration.

  • Don't look at me!||

    My Walgreens sells booze. Will that be next?

  • Rich||

    There has always been an unique camaraderie in being a member of Bernie 2016 staff.

    Indeed, being such a member is a historical friendship.

  • Rich||

    Hey, dudes -- you can sleep in tomorrow!

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Right back at you, beefcake.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    " one over 40 has any worthwhile perspective."

    As a youngster, I liked the old hippy saying that you should "not trust anyone over 30." Later on, once I crossed the 30 threshold, I decided it was more accurate to not trust anyone under 30.

    By the time I reached my late 30s, I came across these words of wisdom by Mark Twain:

    "I left home when I turned 18 because I could not stand how utterly foolish my father was. I returned home some years later and was amazed at how wise my father had become."

    It's sad that many of these SJWs are returning home in their 20s and even 30s (because learning about the feminist aspects of icebergs didn't help find them jobs) and yet they still can't notice that their parents or Louis CK might have some wisdom.

  • Rich||

    "Never trust anyone over 3."

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Over 3 what?

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    Over 3% Indian. That's why she rigged the results to come in so low.

  • TuIpa||

    That was 1/1023rd funny.

  • Trainer||

    "Never trust anyone."

  • damikesc||

    Still, "dude's out here doing stand-up as if he's somehow impervious to the repercussions of [his] actions,"

    His "actions" being "asking women to watch him jerk off". Force wasn't involved --- hard to hold a gun at somebody when you're pounding your dick and all. If watching a dude jerk off prevented women from doing comedy --- maybe comedy really wasn't a dream of theirs.

    And that "I'm Gary" in the embedded tweet seems like a hoot to hang with. Oodles of fun.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    It's Twitter. Everything is a hot take, not meant to be thought about.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    This guy gets it.

  • Trollificus||

    "I'm Gary" is a beard, beanie and black glasses wearing an interchangeable soy boy.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    no one older than 40 has any worthwhile perspective

    Adulting is problematic.

  • damikesc||

    He's only 51, but to hear Twitter tell it, C.K. is basically a doddering old fool who should be put out to pasture and proof that no one older than 40 has any worthwhile perspective.

    Well, the people with that belief are proving themselves correct...just years early.

    No SJW has a perspective worth hearing. I'd say "worth respecting" but nobody does that already.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I hate the idea that anything can be categorically rejected. Someone's age, or race, or gender, or whether there penis is just too big (I'll admit the last one has personally effected me my entire life) being grounds to dismiss everything they say.

    You need to take arguments one by one. If you disagree with what he's saying, disagree with what he said. Put effort into it. He could be full on senile and that would be irrelevant. Argue the point.

  • Don't look at me!||

    Hint: the guys with the big units need never speak of it.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Yeah, those of us with huge cocks never have to tell a soul.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I said nothing about my gigantic yule hog. I only commented on the persecution I have faced in my life.

  • TangoDelta||

    ... or whether there penis is just too big

    LOL, I think you meant "they're penis".
    Yeah, we sure could use an isn't edit button.

  • Rich||

    Hey, some good news!

    The National Debt is decreasing!

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    That's odd. Why is that? Great if true, but that seems like some sort of fluke or error.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    It's way down from yesterday but way up from two weeks ago.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    US National debt clock

    Dont think so, as the debt clock shows $21.910 trillions again.

  • TangoDelta||

    Don't worry, the shutdown won't last forever and I'm sure it will spike back to normal shortly after they turn the dollar spigot back on.

  • Rich||

    "dude's out here doing stand-up as if he's somehow impervious to the repercussions of [his] actions,"

    but enough about Bill Clinton.

  • Ordinary Person||

    Fuck pussies, I mean that in every possible way.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    You are promoting sexual abuse of felines?

  • loveconstitution1789||

    He thought he was one of you Lefties.

  • Ken Shultz||

    In regards to Trump withdrawing troops from Syria, I've been describing it as being like Reagan withdrawing from Lebanon--something I defend as an excellent and tough decision. With TDS rampant in the media, it's hard to get level-headed analysis of anything Trump does, so one of the things we might look at is what people were writing about when Reagan withdrew from Lebanon--written before Trump took office.

    Here's an excellent article in Foreign Policy from 2014 on the subject:

    "When Reagan Cut and Run"

    Read the article with an eye toward Trump and Syria, and that may be about as honest an assessment on that latter issue as you're likely to read anywhere.

    P.S. People have done incredibly stupid and aggressive things in the name of pragmatism, but pragmatism also helps presidents avoid quagmires--and even get out of them, too.

  • damikesc||

    I like how it is now irresponsible to expect us to have some clue of what victory looks like before sending troops somewhere.

    OR expecting Congress to declare war before sending troops somewhere.

  • Ken Shultz||

    "I like how it is now irresponsible to expect us to have some clue of what victory looks like before sending troops somewhere."

    If we're not clear on that point, it's a great reason not to go in--which is what Powell-Weinberger doctrine says and is a very pragmatic stance.

    "OR expecting Congress to declare war before sending troops somewhere."

    Yeah, I'll oppose wars on that basis alone, but even that has some support in the Powell-Weinberger doctrine in the need for broad public support. If you can't get Congress to support something, you have no business claiming to have broad public support. Democracy is sometimes inappropriate (see where the First Amendment says "Congress shall make no law"), but it is imperative within its proper purview, with taxation, naturalization, and declarations of war being obvious examples.

  • Gaear Grimsrud||

    I wasn't a Reagan fan in those days but I gained a lot of respect for him when he got out of Lebanon. I've been following the debate over at NR and with the exception of French Trump seems to be winning hearts and minds over there. Pretty interesting. If he doesn't back down on Syria and Afghanistan, he's got my vote in 2020 no matter how many pornstars he's paid off.

  • damikesc||

    Hell, when I compare the tail Trump plowed and who Clinton plowed --- Trump wins easily.

    Trump never lowered himself to even pretend to dick down a lump like Hillary.

  • A Lady of Reason||

    Sad the PC tyrants can learn to laugh along with jokes... Real comedy is dead in PC tyranny!

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's great when research confirms our personal qualitative preferences. Unfortunately, that isn't always the case. This is one of the most disappointing things I've read in a long time:

    "In one auction involving college students, the average bid to deactivate one's Facebook account for a single day was $4.17. For three days, it was $13.89. And for one week, it was $37. Extrapolate that out to a year, and you get a range of $1,511 to $1,908. In a second auction that included Midwestern adults as well as students, the students required an average of $2,076 to deactivate their accounts for a year, while the adults only needed $1,139. A third auction, conducted online using the Amazon Mechanical Turk, found that the participating adults required, on average, $1,921 to quit for a year.

    "We found that consistently, on average, people would have to be paid more than $1,000 a year to go without Facebook"

    When we're trying to convince people to leave Facebook (rather than have the government regulate it), understand that we're asking them to give up something that they value to the tune of $1,000 a year. You might think, "Well, they don't have to give up social media--just Facebook!", but the people who were being asked to give up Facebook must have known that, too. That's presumably how much they value Facebook--knowing that there are other options.

  • CptNerd||

    Facebook's interface and functionality is the easiest and most efficient way so far for me to keep up with family and old and new friends, especially enabling the "network effect" of so many people signed up and reachable. When soneone comes up with a better interface and is able to attract the same number of my family and friends, then I'll consider switching.

  • Ken Shultz||

    The network effect seems to be the big draw. It's not getting you to switch; it's getting all your friends and family to switch, too.

    I've recently had issues getting friends and family to try Signal. No matter how many times I explain to them that they don't need to put all their contacts in again, Signal will just use the contacts they already have for SMS, I still get resistance. It's like they hear and understand what I'm saying, but they're still afraid that it's going to mess up their contacts in some way. Again, it's that network effect.

    IF IF IF IF IF IF IF I supported any kind of regulation for Facebook--becasue the alternative was antitrust and rent-seeking, etc.--it might look something like the phone number porting requirements in the Telecommunications Act of 1996, where phone carriers were required to let you keep your phone number. We're talking about the same kind of thing with Facebook.

    Imagine if all your friends and family on Verizon couldn't call you because you switched to AT&T--so you felt like you had to stay with Verizon no matter how much Verizon abused you. Imagine if AT&T was perfectly willing to let you call your family members on Verizon, but Verizon wouldn't let you. Isn't that a significant barrier to competition? Isn't that where we are with Facebook?

  • Ken Shultz||

    IF IF IF Facebook is enjoying the benefits of trust like behavior, maybe it's for that reason and MAYBE MAYBE MAYBE the government should do something about that--rather than give Facebook the kind of rent-seeking anticompetitive regulation it craves.

  • Tony||

    Humorless busybodies deciding the acceptable contours of comedy. It's like a bad dystopian novel that didn't make the cut in high school lit class.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I'm curious how many of those expressing outrage signed the letter a few years back defending Roman Polanski.

  • Tony||

    I'm curious who blatant ageism is OK with them.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I think a lot of people around my age have a particular Messianic complex. It's not unique to this generation I'm guessing. Still, older people sometimes disagree and so it's easier to write them all off as old and Nazi. Then you can just claim that one's who agree with you are one of the good ones.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Lefties in a nutshell. Thanks Tony.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    #MeToo hits the Bernie Sanders campaign:

    So The Bern felt them, instead of them feeling the Bern?

  • Don't look at me!||

    It more of an itchy sensation.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    #MeToo hits the Bernie Sanders campaign

    How soon before Fauxchahantas gets the same treatement? These people really are self-destructive.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    But perhaps—and I hope you'll hear me out here even though I'm more than a couple years past Logan's Run doom

    Us young millennials don't get this reference - get it together, Grandma.

    Anyway, awkwardly masturbating in front of consenting adults should result in a literal public hanging.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    Isn't being hung in public what got him into trouble in the first place?

  • Crusty Juggler||

    Bandersnatch was meh, and everyone who says otherwise is stupid, wrong, and probably likes Louis C.K.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    A Closed Brooklyn Bridge and 40,000 Pounds of Deli Meat: New York Is That Crowded

    Just how crowded is New York City in the run-up to the ball drop?

    So crowded that 40,000 pounds of pastrami and beef were served in a week at Katz's Delicatessen on the Lower East Side, where 3,000 to 4,000 visitors flocked each day, standing in lines that stretched three-plus blocks, the owner said.

    So crowded that skaters waited more than an hour to glide in Bryant Park.

    So crowded that a brief but unusual shutdown of the pedestrian and bike lanes across the Brooklyn Bridge was necessary on Saturday afternoon, after the police were called because of the dangerously large crowd.


  • BestUsedCarSales||

    I really, truly cannot get it. I've been to NYC twice now this year as well, I have been there many times before. I am still mystified by the appeal. Good for those people though, I hope they enjoyed themselves. They should try somewhere other than Katz's though. It's a tourist trap.

  • damikesc||

    Makes no sense to me either. Had a friend who went once to watch the ball drop.

    When asked why, he said "Well, I can say I was there".

    "You mean you couldn't otherwise? Words couldn't come out of your mouth or something?"

  • Chipper Jones||

    Going for NYE seems insane, but any time of year I think NYC is an easier place to live in than to visit. Once you have a home base and know your way around it's a fun place to be.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    People who think NY City is the Greatest City are delusional and that is what it takes to want to live there.

  • TangoDelta||

    So does that mean that now would be a good time for tear wrists or that suck-urety theater is doing it's job?

  • creech||

    How many years has Facebook been around? Multiply that number x $1000 and that's what I'm owed. Maybe Rep. Shirley Lee can sponsor a committee to look into my Facebook reparations.

  • Crusty Juggler||

    How I Told My Parents, Friends and Employer That I Have a Robot Fetish

    That is, I have a robot fetish, which typically involves role play where one or more participants are taking on the role of a robot, a cyborg or some sort of humanoid machine.

    I'm also interested in every material under the sun — spandex, latex, rubber, leather, neoprene and more. I have interests around forced exercise play as well — e.g., engaging in kink play or a kinky scene in which one person is forcing another to engage in physical exercise. Imagine the really mean drill instructor whose making somebody workout.
  • Crusty Juggler||

    I also realized that I was finally ready to tell my parents. I knew they'd be totally accepting of the fact that I was gay. They'd told me many, many times throughout my childhood, "You know, if you're gay, it's okay, right?" I was more worried about the kink part, which we hadn't talked much about.

    I was always a debate nerd, so public speaking was one of the ways I felt most comfortable communicating my ideas. As such, I set up a PowerPoint in the living room and came out via PowerPoint presentation. My brother was there — I'd come out to him first — to help click through slides as we were going through all the different topics. I had text on my slides, as well as charts and graphs. I even had academic citations.

    Fun fact: your sex life isn't that interesting, people. That being said, if you want to hear more about my sex life buy something off my Amazon wish list and we can have a talk.

  • Dillinger||

    >>> stand-up routine ... which was never perfectly in line with "P.C." values

    a. nobody's goddam standup routines are PC those are ted talks

    b. perfect alignment with PC is impossible

  • Dillinger||

    >>>"dude's out here doing stand-up as if he's somehow impervious to the repercussions of [his] actions,"

    feet get tired from all the standing and talking

  • chipper me timbers||

    "making cracks about young people asking to be called by particular pronouns"

    How is this worthy of outrage?

  • Dillinger||

    hey will you fucknuts pay me to edit your shit so it's more plausible?

  • Brian||

    I, for one, care deeply about what I'm Gary from Starbucks thinks. Is there a newsletter?


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