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Will Arrested Chinese Tech Exec Become a Trade War Pawn? Reason Roundup

Plus: Trump dumps on the media as CNN faces a bomb scare, murder rates are falling, and corporate gender quotas don't work.

Mfc/Ropi/ZUMA Press/NewscomMfc/Ropi/ZUMA Press/NewscomThe arrest of Chinese tech exec Meng Wanzhou got relatively little attention at first. But the move could mean a major escalation in America's trade war with China.

Meng's company, Huawei, is under Department of Justice (DOJ) investigation after allegedly violating sanctions on Iran, though DOJ won't say more than that. Meng was detained by Canadian authorities on the United States' behalf during a Saturday flight transfer in Vancouver.

"Her arrest was meant as a warning shot by the Trump administration in its campaign to limit the global spread of Chinese technology," reports The New York Times. "But it has thrown Mr. Trump's trade negotiations with Beijing into disarray, drawing a sharp protest from the Chinese government and sending financial markets into a panicky swoon, before a modest recovery on Thursday afternoon."

Last weekend, Trump's chats with Chinese President Xi Jinping during the G20 summit made it seem like a compromise on trade was near.

Now the timing of Meng's arrest "could feed the suspicion of Chinese officials that nationalist factions in the Trump administration were trying to sabotage the trade deal," notes the Times. National Security Adviser John Bolton said he had just found out before Trump's dinner chat with Xi and had not informed the president yet, and "former American officials said the awkward timing of it was most likely a coincidence that grew out of the unpredictable travel schedule of Ms. Meng."

But people inside the White House may already be looking for ways to leverage Meng's arrest on behalf of Trump trade war pursuits.

The Huawei investigation has reportedly been ongoing since 2010, led by U.S. attorneys in states where Huawei has offices (Alabama, California, New York, Massachusetts, and Texas). The Times reports that "investigators grew concerned that company officers were working on behalf of the Chinese government" and that if Meng stands trial in the U.S., "prosecutors might try to demonstrate Huawei's ties to the Chinese Communist Party and various state agencies, and to dramatize the potential security compromises related to that."

FREE MINDS

On fake bombs and fake news. CNN had to halt live programming last night when its Manhattan building was evacuated over a bomb threat.

"Right now, @realDonaldTrump could tweet the following: 'Bomb threats against CNN and other media outlets are never acceptable.' But he won't," commented Republican strategist and author Rick Wilson. Instead, around the same time as CNN was being evacuated, President Donald Trump tweeted:

The tweet was ostensibly a follow-up to two prior tweets full of "Witch Hunt!" and "17 Angry Dems" and "Sad!"

This morning, Trump has continued on his disjointed Twitter frenzy about Robert Mueller's investigation and impending report. It's better if you read it in an old-timey schlock crime-series narrator voice:

Will all of the substantial & many contributions made by the 17 Angry Democrats to the Campaign of Crooked Hillary be listed in top of Report. Will the people that worked for the Clinton Foundation be listed at the top of the Report? ... Will all of the lying and leaking by the people doing the Report, & also Bruce Ohr (and his lovely wife Molly), Comey, Brennan, Clapper, & all of the many fired people of the FBI, be listed in the Report? Will the corruption within the DNC & Clinton Campaign be exposed?..And so much more!"

Stay tuned! On the next episode of the U.S. leader's Twitter feed...

As far as White House strategy on responding to Mueller's report goes...well, there really isn't one, according to The Atlantic's Elaina Plott:

There are numerous other reasons no response plan has been produced, White House sources said, including the futility of crafting a strategy that Trump will likely ignore anyway. There have also been few frank conversations within the White House about the potential costs of Mueller's findings, which could include impeachment of the president or the incrimination of his inner circle. Those close to Trump have either doubled down on the "witch hunt" narrative, they said—refusing to entertain the possibility of wrongdoing—or decided to focus on other issues entirely. Former Press Secretary Sean Spicer has even taken to treating the probe like a game: On Wednesday he tweeted a (quickly deleted) link where followers could place bets on "how many tweets containing #mueller" the president will send "before the investigation is up."

Attempting to plan "would mean you would have to have an honest conversation about what might be coming," a former senior White House official, who requested anonymity to speak freely, told me.

FREE MARKETS

Driving voluntary change. By the end of 2019, California corporations that are publicly traded must have at least one woman on their board of directors. But "while it's hard to argue against the value of women on boards, how a company gets there can be controversial and raise several questions," cautions Kiersten Barnet, who chairs the steering committee of the 30% Club ("a group of business leaders who are committed to better gender balance at all levels of their organizations through voluntary actions," according to her bio).

"Most notably, there is the question of whether quotas lead to the desired outcome of better gender balance throughout company ranks," Barnet writes at Fast Company:

Past government regulations, like Norway's government-mandated quotas beginning in 2008, have shown that while they may increase the number of women on boards, there is no substantive evidence that shows quotas as a catalyst for systemic change across companies. In Norway's example, the percentage of women in C-suite and senior leadership positions has not risen in tandem. On a larger scale, mandated regulations for diversity and inclusion risk causing complacency across private firms tempted to check a box, instead of taking an opportunity to be leaders in driving wide-reaching change.

More here.

QUICK HITS

  • Former attorney general William Barr is being considered for the job again. Barr "is President Trump's leading candidate to be nominated to lead the Justice Department," The Washington Post reports. That's bad news:

UPDATE: Trump has confirmed he'll nominate Barr.

  • The U.S. murder rate is falling again.
  • The Appeal takes a look "at the women left behind" by New York City's efforts to decarcerate.
  • Sacha Baron Cohen is up for a Best Actor award at the Golden Globes for his power-trolling series Who Is America?
  • World Wide Web creator Tim Berners-Lee presents a (rather lackluster, IMHO) "Contract for the Web."
  • Encrypted email platform Protonmail offers good reading list on internet privacy.
  • Are you ready for the "inevitable" clampdown on tech and the media?
  • Politico's Jack Shafer on the presumptive death of The Weekly Standard: "The magazine never lost its voice, it just lost the conservative movement."
  • "In 10 years of political reporting I've met a lot of intense, oddly dressed people with very specific ideas about what the perfect world would look like, some of them in elected office—but none quite so strange as the ideological soup of starry-eyed techno-utopians and sketchy-ass crypto-grifters on the 2018 CoinsBank Blockchain Cruise": Laurie Penny on her half-a-week at sea with "crypto's nouveau riche."
  • Congratulations, Australia, writes Scott Shackford—you've just destroyed the world's data privacy!
  • Protecting and serving:

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  • Fist of Etiquette||

    FAKE NEWS - THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) December 7, 2018

    THE evergreen tweet of the year.

  • Bee Tagger||

    FAKE PEOPLE - THE NEWS OF THE ENEMY!

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    FAKE NEWS - THE ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE = 0

  • Bee Tagger||

    zero dumb game

  • Drave Robber||

    FAKE NEWS / LEFT = ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE / RIGHT

  • ||

    Hello.

    The murder rate murdered the link.

  • Juice||

    A tweet that will live in infamy.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Point of information:

    Is it OK for Trump fans to bomb a news outlet that criticizes him if the fans buy his book and consider him a prophet? I've been trying to find the halachic rulings by the rabbis of Mecca and Medina to help me decide, but I can't find any trace of their existence.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    Conformity Killed the Weekly Standard.
    The easiest way to sum up the failure of the Weekly Standard is this: Why would anyone on the right offer financial support to the Weekly Standard when CNN will call us a racist for free? And why would anyone on the left offer financial support to the Weekly Standard when CNN will call us a racist for free?

    * * * * * * * *

    No, the Weekly Standard as a whole only became interesting to watch as it fell into the establishment media's classic trap, the old siren song of, Betray your base and we'll love you…

    And then your base abandons you, the music stops, and just like Megyn Kelly, you discover you're the one without a chair.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    See also GHWB

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    "The magazine never lost its voice, it just lost the conservative movement."

    Will they say the same about Reason and the libertarian moment? Oh, wait, the webathon was a success. LONG LIVE REASON MAGAZINE.

  • Anomalous||

    Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

  • lap83||

    In fairness, you can probably find at least one person furious on social media on literally any topic at any given time

  • colorblindkid||

    Yeah I've begun to look at the actual outrage tweets that lead to stories like this. If it's like 8 people and they all got

  • Juice||

    The lead investigator is Dr. Wang? Come on, Eileen.

  • Anomalous||

    Just not in her hair.

  • Brian||

    Because it's all about them, really.

  • Agammamon||

    Because they conflate 'swallowing a pill' with the side effects of the pills ingredients they're bitching about the cream application. Like freaking swallowing a pill every night is a major effort.

    And dears? You have scars from your implants because you can't be bothered to remember to swallow that pill. If you had a gel, does anyone think you'd remember to apply it either? Does anyone think a guy will - don't be surprised when men start demanding an implant too because 'its too hard to remember' to use the gel each night.

    And then they forget about condoms and vasectomies - how about y'all ladies get yer nadgers cut off like the rest of us?

  • Dillinger||

    >>>Like freaking swallowing a pill every night is a major effort.

    to be fair chicks' swallow/not issue is centuries old

  • Enjoy Every Sandwich||

    I suspect that some of the fury is that men will have more control over whether they become fathers or not.

  • Zeb||

    What do they think, that people are deliberately making female birth control more unpleasant to use? Thos evil drug makers are all about profits. Unless there's a chance to be mean to women, then they'll do that instead.

  • loveconstitution1789||

    The women are mad because men ARE DIFFERENT than women and require a different type of birth control.

    Men need to have 1,000 sperm per minute prevented.
    Women need to have their eggs from being inseminated.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Y'all don't understand how angry I am about this, fine to prod us with needles and implants and alter our hormones every day but first male birth control and it's a simple and convenient GEL, I'm outta here https://t.co/mSdSg7Togj

    — seagal (@lucybadlose) December 3, 2018

    One complainer doesn't think it's fair for women to alter their hormones with birth control methods when men get to use a birth control method that is a simple gel with testosterone and progesterone. Ummm ... the fact that such a stupid woman needs birth control is proof that everyone has a soul mate out there who is dumb enough to hook up with her.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Sacha Baron Cohen is up for a Best Actor award at the Golden Globes for his power-trolling series Who Is America?

    I just assumed the whole show was tailored to get a Golden Globe, whatever that is.

  • BigT||

    The show is pure genius! Cohen's Israeli terrorism expert gets people to do some crazy shit. And his ex-con gourmet chef gets a foodie to eat 'human flesh' - and drool over it.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    How Much Blood Would Leftists Be Willing To Shed To Disarm Patriotic Americans?
    Rep. Swalwell, some people are going to fight rather than cave in, so what's the number of bodies you would be willing to pile up to win? Let's put aside the right or wrong of resistance; it'll be a thing. It'll happen. You're from near San Francisco, so you don't know any real Americans, but even though I am from that hellhole too, I've met a few Americans in my travels. They are an ornery people who don't give in to the kind of bullying you advocate. So, you're going to have to kill some people to do what you want, and I just want to know how many you're prepared to off to achieve your goal.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    After all, a man without a rifle is not a citizen. He's a serf, subject to the whims and will of his overlords who you damn well know are never giving up the guns their minions keep and bear.

    Look at England. They gave up their guns. Now, the police watch their Twitter feeds and arrest them if they say unapproved things. That's not a bug to our liberal elite; that's a feature. That's the goal.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Yep. That's why university English departments are fair game for vandalism according to a blogger somewhere. ;)

    Tell Detective Nase I said, "Hi."

  • loveconstitution1789||

    "How Much Blood Would Leftists Be Willing To Shed To Disarm Patriotic Americans?"

    All? Because that is what it would take once Civil War 2.0 started.

    If they start it, I wont stop until Im dead, they're banished from the USA, or they're dead.

  • $park¥ The Misanthrope||

    loveconstitution1789|12.6.18 @ 12:48PM|#

    Let the dum-dum sink her own ship.

    I love the internet since you can quickly pull up past statements by politicians or spread their stupid statements around the World.
  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    loveconstitution1789|12.3.18 @ 10:20AM|#

    Do you need me to link the rules of NAFTA and USCMA so you can compare and contrast the "worseness" for us?
  • loveconstitution1789||

    Poor trolls. They till have programming not reset from yesterday.

  • perlchpr||

    It's always a little weird for me when I agree with you on stuff. :p

  • loveconstitution1789||

    When I am right....Im right.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Waco, TX

    Crown Heights Riots

    Los Angeles Riots

    The Underground Weather Men

    The left has been trying to start Civil War 2.0 since before I was born, but they never manage to get enough people to go beyond rhetoric for the violence to look like war. Without an open declaration of war, mowing the lawn might be the best response.

  • Mike Laursen||

    We have a war of words in this country, but virtually nobody in America would want to go so far as to put down their cell phones and lattes and physically fight.

    The more likely scenario is that the blue states get more blue and the red states get more red, and the Federal government becomes more and more ineffective. Not exactly more states rights, but more of the Feds looking the other way if a state wants to legalize marijuana or be tougher on abortion.

  • creech||

    Unfortunately, a lot of blue staters get fed up with what they've wrought and move to quiet towns, like Missoula, and slowly turn them blue too. Any red state that ends up with a majority population in the larger towns and cities will soon be purple, then blue. Check the trend in most any suburb next to failing blue cities.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    My county was transformed by White Flight refugees (my parents included) in the 1980's. The next generation leans libertarian, because letting people be gay is free but high taxes are not. Without a major corporation nearby to bilk, people learn that there's no free lunch.

  • colorblindkid||

    Journalists, especially national political journalists, complaining about being victims and how Trump's rhetoric is dangerous, is a lot like "white people are the true victims of racism" idiots. It is like cops complaining about "anti-cop rhetoric" for people shooting police, without doing any introspection or acknowledgement of any problems.

    The most self-righteous "we-re the victims" class in the country is the press.

    They are all going on about that guy who shot up the newsroom in Maryland, explicitly blaming it on Trump. The dude had a decade-old personal grudge against that specific paper. There is zero evidence Trump had anything to do with it. It is borderline literal fake news. It is like the morons who still blame Jared Loughner on Sarah Palin's ad, which is just 100% an outright lie.

  • colorblindkid||

    Trump has not prevented any journalist from printing or saying anything. Ever. The American press has never been freer. They have never been so willing and free to attack a president. They continually make mistakes and report on unfounded rumors that don't play out. Those mistakes only go in one direction, and it is the direction that never makes a Democrat looks bad.

    Until the press does an ounce of introspection, or admits that their institutional bias is a major reason why we're stuck with Trump to begin with, I have little sympathy for them.

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    I stopped having any sympathy for journalists or the left-wing in general after the Memories Pizza incident. The Trayvon Martin case got the ball rolling when NBC deviously edited a tape to make it sound like Zimmerman used a racial slur, while CNN lightened his skin in photographs.

    But Memories Pizza was the final straw. The fact that a journalist tried to pimp the idea that a small-town pizza joint would ever be called on to cater to any wedding, gay or otherwise, was ridiculous enough, but the fact that it led to the business and the owners being completely slagged and getting death threats, in the service of creating a news story, pretty much made it clear that the left won't be happy until their enemies are humiliated and/or dead.

    It sucks that it's come to this, but every time CNN gets a bomb threat, they can look in the mirror as to the cause.

  • BigT||

    CNN is the bomb. Someone needs to light the fuse.

  • lap83||

    I would have more sympathy for the press if they didn't attempt to tie every actual bad thing that happens to Trump's mean tweets against them. They are like spoiled children

    A bomb threat, mass shooting, etc is not going to make people give a shit about their feelings on social media and fuck them for trying to steal attention from actual victims

  • sharmota4zeb||

    In 2015, CNN reported on the root cause of terrorism under the headline: What Terrorist Are Really Angry About. The article said:

    (CNN)We will not know for some time exactly why three men who were arrested on Wednesday in the United States wanted to join ISIS in Syria.

    But what we do know is that it has become common, even routine, to argue that there exists a process by which potential terrorists become "radicalized." The concept, which has become something of a buzzword, suggests that the central motivation for terrorist violence is ideological.

    However, Islamist terrorists in the West have generally been set off not so much by anything theoretical but rather by intense outrage at American and Israeli actions in the Middle East and by a burning desire to seek revenge, to get back, to defend, and/or to make a violent statement expressing their hostility to what they see as a war on Islam.
  • sharmota4zeb||

    The article goes one to say:

    This can be seen in the story of one of the shooters in the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris. If he was "radicalized" by anything, it was by news about the way prisoners were being treated by the United States at Abu Ghraib in Iraq. He spent years trying to get to Iraq to fight the Americans there, finally finding a target closer to home.
    The same observation arises when one looks over a collection of case studies of terrorists or would-be terrorists who have sought to do damage in the United States. The overwhelming driving force in these cases has been simmering, and more commonly boiling, outrage at American foreign policy.

    Ummmm, yeah. When bombs go off in the Middle East or even in a French news outlet, CNN thinks it's an understandable response to American foreign policy, but a bomb scare at their own headquarters that doesn't hurt anyone is proof that we have a crisis brought on by crazy ideologues. I think the bomb scares were simple pranks intended to discredit hypocrites who didn't see any point in fighting terrorists who weren't aiming at them yet. Socialists tend to expect the alligator to eat them last.

  • Bee Tagger||

    "Contract for the Web."

    how about contract the web. every year, the worst sites get relegated to www2

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    There are numerous other reasons no response plan has been produced, White House sources said, including the futility of crafting a strategy that Trump will likely ignore anyway.

    Everyone underestimates the First Gut.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    He has women's intuition. ;)

  • loveconstitution1789||

    Chrysler opens new SUV plant

    Hmm.... wonder if Reason will cover this little development.

    Trump gets blamed for GM closing plants, Reason blames Trump for Chrysler opening new plant.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    By the end of 2019, California corporations that are publicly traded must have at least one woman on their board of directors.

    And how empowering it must feel to be that one lady foisted upon a corporation to fulfill a government quota.

  • Longtorso, Johnny||

    A growing economy that employs another 30,000 working class women does 'women' more good than a handful of corporate slots to already successful female lawyers, or the wives of successful businessmen.

    No woman who gets that board slot would have been going hungry without it.

  • SIV||

    "You go, girl"!

  • Anomalous||

    So they'll just incorporate in Delaware.

  • Kreel Sarloo||

    IIANM, it doesn't matter where a company is incorporated, it matters where its headquarters are.

    Of course, most companies that are not doing most of their business in CA will likely be considering relocating headquarters to another state.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    But if they move their headquarters from Silicon Valley, they won't have easy access to the high quality graduates coming out of Berkeley ... oh, this might be a good time to buy real estate in Houston near Rice University.

  • chipper me timbers||

    this is just more proof that contemporary feminism is just a special interest lobby for privileged college educated white women.

    This stupid law will do nothing for any woman except those kind.

  • Agammamon||

    It'll feel very empowering because you'll be running your own business where you get paid to be the token seat on a half dozen corporate boards - paid all the way to the bank.

    Same shit as for 'women-owned' companies looking for government work. A lot of smallish ones just give a 'non-voting' equity stake to a woman so they can tick that checkbox on the quote.

  • BYODB||

    Look, the only way women can become board members is by being mandated to be there. Otherwise they simply don't have the brain power or ability to get there. That's why you don't see any women in those positions anywhere in the United States, except for all those women in those positions everywhere in the United States.

    /What Progressives are Really Thinking

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    "Right now, @realDonaldTrump could tweet the following: 'Bomb threats against CNN and other media outlets are never acceptable.' But he won't," commented Republican strategist and author Rick Wilson

    There are plenty of examples of Obama telling his left-wing sycophants not to demonize people on the right and to give their views a fair hearing, and none of it mattered as the Jacobins continued to make wrongthink an offense worthy of personal destruction. Trump tweeting out a message that "bomb threats are bad, mmkay?" to his own followers is hardly going to change that behavior at this point.

    This is the bed that leftism made, and now they're complaining that it's on fire and about to burn them, too.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    When bombs are mailed to right-wingers, then it's the fault of the left.
    When bombs are mailed to left-wingers, or to the media, then it's still the fault of the left.
    Got it!

  • Red Rocks White Privilege||

    Your solidarity with left-wingers is noted.

  • BYODB||

    When Republicans are actually shot on a baseball field, it's the fault of a lone wackjob.

    When bombs that literally can not explode are mailed to leftists by a wackjob, it's the fault of Trump.

    Is that how this works? One might rightly think that in all situations it's the fault of the wackjob unless they were, say, paid to do it by a political party. Do you know something we don't, kiddo?

  • Social Justice is neither||

    the real question is does Jeff know something.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Turn around is fair play, as the sayings go. I don't want deadly attacks, but my efforts to defend people from them will focus on the people who consistently oppose deadly attacks. I only have so much time to dedicate to keeping people alive before it infringes on my porn watching schedule.

    Say "Hi," to J&T for me.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    World Wide Web creator Tim Berners-Lee presents a (rather lackluster, IMHO) "Contract for the Web."

    The very best way to get buy-in from all sides is to invoke the 2016 United States presidential election.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Politico's Jack Shafer on the presumptive death of The Weekly Standard: "The magazine never lost its voice, it just lost the conservative movement."

    And that's really unfortunate. I might not agree with Bill Kristol on everything, but his version of conservative Republicanism is clearly preferable to the alt-right white nationalist faction that has taken over the GOP. Say what you want about the neocons, but they never unleashed the type of brutal violence that Orange Hitler has with his draconian war on immigration.

  • Leo Kovalensky II||

    A++

  • DesigNate||

    Standing ovation.

  • Dillinger||

    lolz. love it.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Speaking of the need to help immigrants, say "Hi," to my mom for me.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Former attorney general William Barr is being considered for the job again. Barr "is President Trump's leading candidate to be nominated to lead the Justice Department," The Washington Post reports. That's bad news...

    Depends on how long it takes the president to start publicly hating on him.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    Huawei, the cell phone maker? Trading with Iran? Oh, the horror! What an atrocity!

    You know, a wise libertarian once said that when you refuse to allow goods to freely cross borders, you end up having soldiers' boots crossing instead. Perhaps the best way to undermine the fundies there, whom the majority of Iranians want kicked out of power, is to trade freely. Why not try it, just once? What is there to lose?

  • SQRLSY One||

    "War is the health of the state." That's what's to lose, is the health of the state! Trade wars, shooting wars, wars on drugs and on poverty, you name it, they are all food and steroids for the state!

    Long live Government Almighty!

  • SQRLSY One||

    Also for the Good (or even the Greatness) of the Sacred State, is a little-known War on the Non-Physician-Blessed Blowing-Upon, of the Cheap Plastic Flutes!

    I thus hereby and alwaysby do therefor perform my Sacred Pubic Duties, and specifically warn you of exactly what NOT to do, so as to escape the wrath of the Flute Police!

    To find precise details on what NOT to do, to avoid the flute police, please see http://www.churchofsqrls.com/DONT_DO_THIS/ … This has been a pubic service, courtesy of the Church of SQRLS!

  • BYODB||


    You know, a wise libertarian once said that when you refuse to allow goods to freely cross borders, you end up having soldiers' boots crossing instead.

    It also empowers local dictators to maintain their grip on their populace, which I'm told is a good thing by many libertarians even though they don't word it quite as such.

  • Zeb||

    Well, it does seem to be preferable to the alternatives in many cases.

    Perhaps a good rule of thumb is don't topple the dictator unless you are reasonably sure he won't be followed by something worse.

  • BYODB||

    I think a better corollary to the above quote is 'and only trade with Westernized nations or countries who share similar views of human rights and civics'. Otherwise, functionally you're just outsourcing your slavery and/or totalitarian impulses.

    We might also topple fewer dictators if we didn't have a profit motive in doing so, but then again there are plenty of 'libertarians' that accidentally make the case for foreign invasion based on respect for natural rights than I'd care to count. They really have no idea what the excuses for most of our wars in the past 100 years were, it would seem.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    In World War I we sent our troops over the Europe to save democracy by fighting against the side that protected a guy who shot a monarch. Only someone brilliant enough to lead Princeton University could have thought of that.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Hence, every libertarian can denounce the BDSMovement as a bunch of war mongers masquerading as peaceniks. Israel's policy with residents of Gaza, Judea, and Samaria was to build economic ties. Clinton changed that by inviting Arafat and the Israeli PM to the White House for negotiations. I'm still waiting for the humble foreign policy wing of the Libertarian Party to denounce the Oslo Accords and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.

  • Fist of Etiquette||

    Duhamel said that because the suspect in the Nov. 30 chase — 19-year-old Matthew John Lorenzen — allegedly fired shots at pursuing authorities, the deputy is a victim as defined under Marsy's Law.

    We're nowhere near the end of power to be mined from victimhood.

  • damikesc||

    "Right now, @realDonaldTrump could tweet the following: 'Bomb threats against CNN and other media outlets are never acceptable.' But he won't," commented Republican strategist and author Rick Wilson. Instead, around the same time as CNN was being evacuated, President Donald Trump tweeted:

    Honestly...why the fuck should he?

    Fuck CNN. Somebody wants to bomb threaten them? C'est la vie.

    "Most notably, there is the question of whether quotas lead to the desired outcome of better gender balance throughout company ranks," Barnet writes at Fast Company:

    There is a greater-than-zero percent chance that people will look at the women hired as pure quota hires and not terribly good at their job. Because they would be exactly that. If they weren't, they'd have ALREADY been in their position before any law passed.

  • a ab abc abcd abcde abcdef ahf||

    It's interesting to ponder knock-on effects. What would the token woman director think when a second woman director is hired? What would a woman think if she gets an offer to be the second woman director? Is the board planning to fire the first woman director and wants to get the replacement in place first?

    Suppose a board has two woman directors and fires one -- what do the two women think about which was fired and which was kept? Is the fired one more outspoken and harder to control? Does the second one take the hint and keep quiet, or does she take advantage of her new power and get uppity?

  • Cy||

    Which one is a racial minority? Which one is trans? Which one speaks spanish?

  • BYODB||

    That's an even better question. Can one of the male board members just claim to be a woman and that fulfills the quota?

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Honestly...why the fuck should he?

    Gee I don't know. Maybe because the CNN employees being targeted are citizens too?

  • Cy||

    Look at you letting that mask slip again...

  • damikesc||

    It's not his job to do that. I don't care if a President says "Being mean is bad".

  • BYODB||

    Look, all Jeff know's is that feelings are more important than anything else. He's an emotive sort. Although, now that I think about it, since everything Trump says is evil and mean wouldn't him saying that people shouldn't bomb CNN mean that people should bomb CNN since Trump said not to?

    #Resist?

  • chipper me timbers||

    ""Most notably, there is the question of whether quotas lead to the desired outcome of better gender balance throughout company ranks," Barnet writes at Fast Company:"

    Why is gender balance a desired outcome? no once can explain this it's just a given in all the conversations.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    Because to even question that is to be labeled "controversial".

  • BigT||

    Males are balanced - just as many X as Y chromosomes. Who needs XX for balance?

  • Dillinger||

    >>>Why is gender balance a desired outcome?

    sock hop Thursdays!

  • BYODB||

    Because if women aren't working in those positions, then they can't be sexually exploited. Wait...that's not it...I forget the reason.

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Now that 2 income families are the norm, California executives were getting tired of all male Christmas office parties.

  • LynchPin1477||

    Important stuff first. Avengers 4 (Endgame) trailer premiered this morning. Not giving much away, as if it matters. It'll be huge.

  • Ordinary Person||

    Oh, hell yes.

  • Sevo||

    "Longtime Kamala Harris Aide Resigns After Settled Harassment Lawsuit Comes to Light"
    [...]
    "A longtime aide to Sen. Kamala Harris (D., Calif.) resigned from her office Wednesday following inquiries about a harassment and retaliation lawsuit he settled while working for Harris when she was California's attorney general.
    Harris' office claimed it was unaware of a lawsuit filed in December 2016 by Danielle Hartley against Larry Wallace, who was director of the California Justice Department's law enforcement division under Harris. At that time, Harris had just been elected to the U.S. Senate and was preparing to transition to Washington."
    https://weatherinternal.com/2018/12/06/
    longtime-kamala-harris-aide-resigns-after
    -settled-harassment-lawsuit-comes-to-light/

    She read about it in the newspaper, just like that lying scumbag Obo.

  • Rich||

    California corporations that are publicly traded must have at least one woman on their board of directors. But "while it's hard to argue against the value of women on boards, how a company gets there can be controversial

    You mean, like paying one of the old boys to self-identify as female?

  • BigT||

    Great idea. She can be given specific duties.

    Designated hooker!

  • Anomalous||

    Is that you, Les Moonves?

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Her arrest was meant as a warning shot by the Trump administration in its campaign to limit the global spread of Chinese technology," reports The New York Times. "But it has thrown Mr. Trump's trade negotiations with Beijing into disarray, drawing a sharp protest from the Chinese government and sending financial markets into a panicky swoon, before a modest recovery on Thursday afternoon."

    I don't think I'd quote The New York Times on Trump.

    In the words of The Beatles, "But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao, You ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow."

    Yeah, you might as well be quoting the official party organ of TDS Central Command.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Three Points:

    1) Trump may not want a trade agreement with China.

    If so, would you describe that negotiation strategy as "disarray"? Stabbing China in the back puts Trump's negotiations with China in disarray--unless Trump wasn't really interested in negotiating in the first place, in which case you were just being naive about those negotiations.

    2) Having more bargaining chips doesn't necessarily put Trump at a disadvantage in contentious negotiations.

    One of the things Trump has been complaining about is China's espionage and intellectual property theft, and Huawei is in the middle of that. Contentious negotiations are won by the party with the most leverage, and Trump just created himself more on issues at the center of these contentious negotiations--IF IF IF he is serious about wanting an end to the trade war.

    3) The Trump administration says that Trump was personally unaware of the pending action against Huawei.

    That would seem like evidence of incompetence to me if true, but notice the predictable reaction: when there is evidence that might make Trump look like a bumbling fool, it's still interpreted as though Trump were an evil genius a la Fu Manchu. Trump's critics seem to think he's a fool--right up until the moment they think they can blame him for something, and then he did it all on purpose.

  • BigT||

    He read about it on a Twitter.

  • Ken Shultz||

    We get to argue that they're so incompetent that the left hand doesn't know that the right hand is undermining their entire negotiation strategy with China OR we get to argue that Trump is an evil genius on this. I don't see how we can argue both.

    I'm arguing this: It's unclear to me that Trump wants to de-escalate the trade war with China. None of his actions have shown persuasively that he actually wants an end to the trade war. Meanwhile, if someone had undermined his strategy by going after this Chinese CFO without Trump's knowledge or consent, be it his Chief of Staff or someone else, I suspect we'd already be hearing about Trump wanting to fire that person. It's not as if Trump has been shy about calling out and embarrassing his subordinates for going off the reservation in the past.

    That's my read. It's riddled with uncertainty. I hope I'm wrong about Trump not wanting an end to the trade war, but then I hoped, for a long time, I was wrong about Trump wanting a trade war in the first place.

  • BigT||

    Trump wants to end the trade war with a victory. Whatever that might be.

    This is clearly a maneuver for leverage. Will it work? Maybe. If other Chinese moguls fear visiting countries with extradition treaties with the USA, look out Xi.

  • RoyMo||

    If he was then wouldn't that mean a politicized prosecution with Presidential interference compromising the "independent" Justice Department?

    It is hard not to win at this game.

  • Ken Shultz||

    A justice department that's independent of the president?

    The Attorney General serves at the pleasure of the president.

    This isn't an independent counsel investigating the president or his associates.

    And I suspect the decision to hold off on arresting a foreign citizen on foreign soil because doing so is in the greater interests of the United States for whatever reason isn't a violation of any law. In fact, making those kinds of judgement calls is more or less the job of the president of the United States.

  • Jerryskids||

    You missed the main point.

    The Huawei investigation has reportedly been ongoing since 2010

    Trump started his Machiavellian machinations long before anybody even knew he was planning on running for President in 2016 and long before anybody had renegotiating trade agreements as a blip on their radar.

    I hereby take back all the bad things I've ever said about Trump supporters who believe their Messiah can walk on water - if the guy had both the foresight to begin an investigation to provide leverage in a trade negation 8 years in the future and the means of directing the DoJ to begin such an investigation 6 years before he was elected President, I too must question my assumption that Donald J. Trump is not in fact capable of working miracles.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Huawei has been in the center of investigations for a long time over espionage, stealing trade secrets, spying for the Chinese government, and, especially, violating sanctions against Iran.

    So what?

    The question is whether Trump threw the rock at that time as a function of his trade negotiations with China, and the fact that there were already rocks laying around on the ground before Trump was elected does nothing to answer that question.

  • Ken Shultz||

    It's interesting how TDS victims become so fixated.

    Notice, it doesn't matter that somebody abhors Trump's trade policies.

    It isn't enough to denounce him for his negotiating tactics, too.

    It isn't enough to point out that he's probably lying about his left hand not knowing what his right hand was doing.

    No, somehow--in the mind of a TDS-victim, I can do all those things and still be somebody who thinks Trump is the messiah?

    P.S. In the mind of a TDS victim, a Trump supporter appears to be anybody who doesn't necessarily believe something just because it's critical of Trump. Jebus help you (second person plural) if you think the New York Times is the go-to place for objective reporting on Trump's likely motives and objectives.

  • BigT||

    There are at least 1,000 other Chinese in similar situations. So this was merely a target of opportunity.

    Sneer away, witless Jerry.

  • BYODB||

    Jerry knocks it out of the park, the TDS people can't decide if Trump is incompetent or evil, therefore he is both at all times to a certain class of people. Specifically, journalists.

    Arresting foreign spies as leverage is a bad way for America to negotiate, of course. Only our adversaries are allowed to do that to us. You know, like Iran has done several times in the past. And China has done several times in the past.

    The first thing you learn about negotiations is only allow your opponents to negotiate in bad faith. Now, this isn't a defense of Trump it's me wondering why the fuck we even negotiate with these nations in the first place.

  • Ordinary Person||

    Proving yet again that they are the biggest assholes on the planet Republicans are back at it in Wisconsin making life more difficult for people who have no money by mandating drug testing for food stamps. Even though Republicans in general and specifically the ones who become politicians are mostly spolied rich sons of bitches they aren't satisfied with their lives of ease so they have to fuck with poor people. Whether it's a regressive tax, drug testing poor people or lavishing tax breaks on billionaires the theme is always the same and true to the Republican motto: We have small dicks so we act like big dicks.

  • OpenBordersLiberal-tarian||

    Even though Republicans in general and specifically the ones who become politicians are mostly spolied rich sons of bitches

    Actually that's not what Palin's Buttplug told me. He says the pattern is the more affluent people are, the more likely they are to vote Democrat.

    But as to your main point, yeah, Republicans are evil. All decent, patriotic Americans should vote Democrat regardless of our financial situation.

  • Ordinary Person||

    Stupidity is a highway to evil and they are the stupid party.

  • BigT||

    Any action that diminishes govt power is welcome.

    Congress, take note.

  • Ordinary Person||

    Except they will spend more money and need more govt to drug test people so it's this isn't about saving money it's about scratching the little dick itch.

  • BigT||

    Probably true.

    I'm hoping the amount saved in reduced welfare payments is greater than that spent drug testing. Donkey rulers might not do much drug testing?

  • BYODB||

    If it's any consolation, every study I've seen says that drug testing is always more of a cost than any theoretical benefit so indeed the Republicans pushing for it are the spending type of Republican.

  • BYODB||


    ...lavishing tax breaks on billionaires...

    Huh...last I checked their tax rates are way higher and they support essentially the entire welfare state all on their own. Those selfish bastards, am I right?

  • Ron||

    "crypto's nouveau riche."

    another group of people who will be shocked when their golden goose dies from over feeding and not understand why they spent like drunken sailors instead of investing their short term gains in other areas as backup

  • Bubba Jones||

    How awesome would it be for Trumps people to sit around the room and speculate on all the dirty laundry that might be in the report...

    What could possibly go wrong?

  • Agammamon||

    So, I'm confused. This company is Chinese, right? And she's a Chinese citizen? So, how is it that the Chinese must abide by American sanctions? Do the Americans want to have to abide by Chinese sanctions against, say, Taiwan?

  • Sigivald||

    See e.g. this.

    Huawei is accused of using an American subdivision (Huawei Technologies Ltd) to do such things.

    Huawei China is not required to obey American sanctions, no.

    Huawei United States is.

    Meng Wanzhou is CFO of the US branch of Huawei per the news reports, and on its Board of Directors, as far as their website shows.

  • Dillinger||

    calling in your own bomb threat is so 1980s high school

  • Dillinger||

    >>>"The magazine never lost its voice, it just lost the conservative movement."

    conservative movement?

  • Dillinger||

    >>>campaign to limit the global spread of Chinese technology

    good luck. technology > government.

  • chipper me timbers||

    ". By the end of 2019, California corporations that are publicly traded must have at least one woman on their board of directors"

    I wish I was on one of these boards so I could just start claiming to be female and watch all the proggy heads explode.

  • Sigivald||

    "The tweet was ostensibly a follow-up to two prior tweets full of "Witch Hunt!" and "17 Angry Dems" and "Sad!""

    Ostensibly?

    So ... you're trying to tell me there's a good chance it wasn't a follow-up to two pretty obviously facially related tweets?

    Look, I know the President is a giant shit with bad policy ideas, yes.

    But stop being goddamn deranged about him.

    That sort of thing is the exact reason his "fake news!" lament at CNN [et al.] sticks, because they don't seem to think merely being truthful and accurate suffices to point out what a shit with bad policy ideas he is.

    They can't stop themselves from interpretations that everyone not in the tank knows are untenable bullshit, from ridiculous speculation everyone involved would call stupid aimed at anyone else, and all the rest.

    ("Do you want more Trump? Because that's how you get more Trump.")

  • BYODB||

    Exactly this. I keep hoping that at some point in the near future I will not need to defend Trump because I really don't like Trump, but the shit they keep flinging is in many ways way more dangerous than Trump. Just honesty report how terrible he is, but maybe stop with the actual honest-to-god comparisons to Hitler every night?

  • sharmota4zeb||

    Initially held in a 50-person dorm in the women's facility, known as the Rose M. Singer Center or Rosie's, she was temporarily moved to an enclosed individual cell. She said she was never given a reason for the transfer, but it gravely affected her mental health. Gudin said she suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder and anxiety.

    "I cannot be locked in," she told The Appeal. "I was freaking out."

    Ummm, this is what we designed jails to do to people. Why don't citizens grok that jail is a horrible experience that negatively affects a person's emotions, because it is the punishment for breaking a law that we authorize governments to inflict on people when we elect the politicians who wrote those laws. What part of "government" don't they understand? Didn't their kindergarten teachers ever lock them in a cupboard for getting a test question wrong? Am I the only one here who graduated from a prestigious school district?

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