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North Korea Claims It Will Suspend Its Nuclear Weapon and Missile Tests

With a meeting between North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un and President Trump on the horizon, North Korean state media also vows the nation will close its current active nuke test site.

twm1340 on Foter.com / CC BY-SAtwm1340 on Foter.com / CC BY-SAIn advance of planned summit meetings where North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un would talk with South Korean leaders and then President Trump, North Korean state media drops a Friday afternoon news dump surprise: they claim they are going to suspend any further nuclear weapon or missile tests and shut down their current nuclear test site.

As per a Washington Post report, this surprising announcement, which seems at least in part a vindication of Trumpian diplomacy on the nuclear issue, "was made after a meeting of the central committee of the ruling Worker's Party of Korea, convened Friday to discuss policy issues related to 'a new stage' in a 'historic' period. However, analysts noted that it made no mention of giving up its program, simply signaling a freeze."

Matt Welch last month praised the possibilities inherent in Trump's controversial decision to meet with Kim Jong Un, which at least as it looks this afternoon is bearing good fruit.

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  • Get To Da Chippah||

    That cat is ready for Pikachu to show his stupid yellow face.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Well, I'll believe it when I see it.
    It's difficult to imagine any country willingly giving up nuclear weapons.

  • Scarecrow Repair & Chippering||

    Khadaffi did.

  • GILMORE™||

    and was then immediately bombed by NATO, sodomized with a bayonet by jihadis, and shot repeatedly while he begged for his life.

    Ace diplomatic precedent-setting. If only we had some big thinker like that around now to handle this messy and complex world.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    They don't share our progressive views on the death penalty.

  • BestUsedCarSales||

    She's very proud of her violence. She's like a true viking warrior.

  • kevrob||

    The old S Africa gave up nukes. They had as many as 6 weapons.

  • Eidde||

    South Africa has two, that's right
    One for the black and one for the white

    /Tom Lehrer

  • John C. Randolph||

    Well, to be fair, Khadaffi had it coming, even if it was other shitheads who did it to him.

    -jcr

  • Eidde||

    Yes, but what lesson will the other shitheads take from Kadaffi's fate?

    "Don't give up your nukes, shithead!"

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Do we know for certain if he actually had a nuke on hand, or if he was just working towards getting one?

    Either way, as Gilmore said, Obama made it harder for smaller nations to think about giving them up.

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    But easier to pretend they will if the president is willing to make a deal about it.

  • Nardz||

    Hilarious, isn't it?

    Obama+Clinton/Kerry doctrine:
    1. Invade, depose, and (aid) execution of leadership that dismantles and turns over WMD infrastructure, then allow country to completely disintegrate and become the world's largest slave market
    2. Accept promises of self inspection to pause WMD program, leave infrastructure intact, and reward with palettes of cash country that says it will stop trying to develop WMDs for a few years

  • ||

    I thought he had chemical weapons.

  • ||

    So did South Africa. In 1989.

  • ||

  • Ken Shultz||

    He may not have much of a choice, and there's no need for North Korea to be a pariah when they could be a dictatorship like China. Kim has a lot to gain by joining the respectable world.

    And like I said, if China stopped supporting them, their nuclear program might not do them much good.

    To get people to change course, you only need to do a combination of one or two things. Either you make their present course more expensive than it's worth or you offer them something better than they've got.

    If China won't continue with North Korea on their present course at the expense of Chinese trade, then their present course may be untenable. And we don't have to try hard to offer North Korea something better than what they've got. They can hardly feed themselves.

  • Sevo||

    Ken Shultz|4.20.18 @ 7:51PM|#
    "He may not have much of a choice, and there's no need for North Korea to be a pariah when they could be a dictatorship like China. Kim has a lot to gain by joining the respectable world."
    He'd have to do it with the NK population and the respectable world ignoring his starvation of some 10% of the population and imprisoning some similar number in concentration camps.
    China was lucky: Mao died.

    "If China won't continue with North Korea on their present course at the expense of Chinese trade, then their present course may be untenable. And we don't have to try hard to offer North Korea something better than what they've got. They can hardly feed themselves."
    NK was the industrial end of Korea, pre-war. Not now; they have no way of generating energy or transporting it. But there is little really good ag districts and what there is has been demolished by the Kims' insistence on bogus ag techniques; there is little food available.

  • Sevo||

    (more)
    By what I've read recently (and it all needs heavy salting), the 'famine' is over, in that fewer are dying of malnutrition, mostly as a result of illegal trade (one book stated that Kim 'made starvation the only legal option'.). But the dying continues: The army and the gov't get fed; all else is irrelevant.
    So he has no real need of acting like a civilized country; he doesn't seem to care if the population starves.
    If he does, he has only a negative 'good' to offer; dump the nukes.
    I'm on chemjeff radical individualist's side here: I'll believe it when I see it.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Actually, the army doesn't even get fed. I was reading that the soldiers often have to find their own food.

  • Sevo||

    "Actually, the army doesn't even get fed. I was reading that the soldiers often have to find their own food."
    According to some of the defector books (see below; salt required), they simply steal it from the population.

  • mtrueman||

    "And like I said, if China stopped supporting them, their nuclear program might not do them much good."

    It's already got the US to finally sit and talk face to face. That may not seem like such a big deal to you, but the North Koreans evidently think otherwise.

  • Sevo||

    mtrueman|4.20.18 @ 11:14PM|#
    "It's already got the US to finally sit and talk face to face."
    No it has not. And the offer was on the table fot the entire time Obo sat on his lying ass.

    "That may not seem like such a big deal to you, but the North Koreans evidently think otherwise."
    I'm glad you, as a fucking imbecile, can mind-read the Norks.

  • mtrueman||

    "No it has not."

    Yes it has. The Americans have agreed to hold face to face talks with North Korea. It had no choice, really, What with political changes in the South, and Americans finally realizing that North Koreans weren't taken in by America's bluffing strategy. It was either sit down and talk, which makes trump look like the peace maker he promised to be, or escalate a conflict which nobody in America has the stomach to fight. And nobody else wants.

    "I'm glad you, as a fucking imbecile, can mind-read the Norks."

    If an imbecile can do it, what's stopping you?

  • Sevo||

    Oh, boy, imbecile makes an ass of himself once more.
    "mtrueman|4.21.18 @ 12:25AM|#
    "Yes it has. The Americans have agreed to hold face to face talks with North Korea. It had no choice, really, What with political changes in the South, and Americans finally realizing that North Koreans weren't taken in by America's bluffing strategy. It was either sit down and talk, which makes trump look like the peace maker he promised to be, or escalate a conflict which nobody in America has the stomach to fight. And nobody else wants."
    Bullshit supposition

    "I'm glad you, as a fucking imbecile, can mind-read the Norks."
    If an imbecile can do it, what's stopping you?"
    I'm not an imbecile, imbecile.
    Fuck off, you pathetic piece of shit.

  • mtrueman||

    "I'm not an imbecile, imbecile.
    Fuck off, you pathetic piece of shit."

    You're repeating yourself.

  • Sevo||

    It's amazing how much you post and how ignorant you are.
    Some people develop knowedge of this or that. You've developed the skill of being stupid in public.
    Fuck off, imbecile.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Why do you doubt NK during the Trump admin when you believed Iran during the Obama admin? (I have a theory)

  • Michael Hihn||

    If you think he believed anything during the Obama administration, you have confirmed a theory.
    Left - Right = Zero

  • Ken Shultz||

    I maintain that signs that the North Korean summit will go forward and go well are the ultimate weather vane for which way the wind is blowing between Xi and Trump on trade, too.

    This isn't 3-D chess, this is realism. This is pragmatism. North Korea is what shook loose in these contentious trade negotiations. If China didn't want this summit to happen, it wouldn't have gotten this far.

    Last month, some of you who read the news may remember, Kim went to Beijing to meet with Xi--the first time he's left the country. It's not a big deal in western culture who goes to whom, but in their culture, the emperor doesn't come to his subordinates. His subordinates come to him. Whatever Kim wants, it probably doesn't matter as much as what Xi wants. And judging by his trade concessions, Xi doesn't want a trade war.

    Last week he announced that he was cutting tariffs on cars. This week, he announced that he was rescinding regulations that require American companies to bind themselves to a Chinese partner (which facilitates sharing technology among other things). These concessions were not made out of the warmness of Emperor Xi's heart nor were they made because he read some excellent articles written by libertarian think tanks.

    You make concessions because of pressure--unless you're an idiot like Barack Obama.

  • TLBD||

    The thing about many libertarians here is it is "principles" > principles.

    Trump is expanding liberty by using our bargaining power (which is fucking vast and unmatched). It is not rocket science. Really, I'm quite disappointed in the purveyors of our ideology for not seeing it or embracing it.

  • Ken Shultz||

    They did the same thing with Reagan.

    You could take the same things they said about Reagan being stupid and reckless, change them to being about Trump, and they'd look they were written yesterday.

    You should have seen them when Reagan turned his back on Gorbachev at Reykjavik.

    It was almost as bad as their hollering when Reagan later turned around and embraced Gorbachev, too.

    Didn't Reagan know Gorbachev is a scoundrel?

    I don't know that Trump's strategy will work. I would never use trade policy that way. I hope I was wrong--for the sake of the country. I'm old enough to remember when we were doomed to lose the Cold War. I remember when we won it, too. It wasn't because of nothing. It came from Pershing Missile deployments and giving Stinger missiles to religious fanatics in Afghanistan. Reagan made the Star Wars shit up out of thin air. It was all leverage. Contentious negotiations are won with leverage.

  • Ken Shultz||

  • TLBD||

    I wouldn't have used trade in the way Trump is until I saw what he is doing. He is negotiating on things he cannot lose. I just hope he does not get overconfident once the low hanging fruit are gone.

    Either way, it is certainly better than the Neo-con method of using the military to gain economic advantage or concession.

  • chemjeff radical individualist||

    Well don't count your chickens before they're hatched. We don't know what a post-peace-treaty North Korea would look like. After all look at Cuba today. Both Europe and the US more or less have normalized relations with Cuba, and it's still a pretty awful place.

    But even if some measure of peace is achieved in North Korea due in part to Trump's trade war crap, the expansion of liberty would only have been a result of bullying and coercion. Which is rather contrary to the point of liberty in the first place, not to mention the NAP. It is just a milder version of the neocons' strategy of "bomb them into democracy".

  • TLBD||

    Is this satirical? I can't tell.

    If not what I said about "principles" over principles couldn't have been better displayed.

  • Kazinski||

    Cuba would look like paradise to a NORK peasant, at least no one starves to death or has to eat grass.

    I hear the gulags are better too.

  • Sevo||

    "I hear the gulags are better too."

    Everything I've read says so.

  • Inigo Montoya||

    Much nicer weather, too, except for the occasional hurricane. I'm pretty sure NK gets pretty damn cold in the winter.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    The North Korean marching band is way better, though.

  • Sevo||

    If they aren't, off to the gulag!

  • Ken Shultz||

    "Well don't count your chickens before they're hatched."

    Here's what I wrote below:

    "IF IF IF Trump averts a trade war and rids American security of the threat of North Korea's nuclear ICBM menace . . ."

    ----Ken Shultz

    Were three capitalized "Ifs" not enough? Would four or six or twelve done the trick?

    "We don't know what a post-peace-treaty North Korea would look like. After all look at Cuba today. Both Europe and the US more or less have normalized relations with Cuba, and it's still a pretty awful place."

    You need to rid yourself of your neoconservative thinking. It's absurd, cruel, and stupid.

    The purpose of American foreign policy is not to make Cuba or North Korea a better place for Cubans and North Koreans.

    The purpose of American foreign policy is to protect our rights from foreign threats.

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    How is Trump expanding liberty?

  • Michael Hihn||

    Damn! I had coffee in my mouth!
    Well-played. to a Faux NAPster.

  • JoeBlow123||

    "This isn't 3-D chess, this is realism. This is pragmatism. North Korea is what shook loose in these contentious trade negotiations. If China didn't want this summit to happen, it wouldn't have gotten this far."

    Kim Jong Un has repeatedly shown he is not a puppet of China. You are reading tea leaves that are not there.

  • Ken Shultz||

    I'm not saying he's a puppet.

    I'm saying that North Korea may not want to go it alone.

    IF IF IF China is willing to withdraw their support for North Korea rather than suffer the consequences of a trade war with the U.S., then that's a reasonable explanation for the changes we're seeing.

    North Korea isn't changing course for no reason at all.

    China isn't changing course for no reason at all either.

  • Ken Shultz||

    IF IF IF Trump averts a trade war and rids American security of the threat of North Korea's nuclear ICBM menace--through mere negotiations--then he will have done something truly spectacular--even better than defeating ISIS through his collaboration with Putin.

    And he'll have done it over the objections of yours truly. If Trump pulls this off, I was wrong, he was right, and we should all be impressed.

    16 years of neocons got us nothing but grief. Thank God for pragmatic realism.

  • TLBD||

    There is no chance of a trade war with China. None. Zero.

    China can make our lives a bit worse. We can destroy them economically. This was a "war" that was won before it even started, and China knows it.

  • Michael Hihn||

    There is no chance of a trade war with China. None. Zero.

    It's already begun. Trump's bullying created another fiasco. But he just backed down on TPP. He'll back down on China when his goobers need fresh manure/

    We can destroy them economically.

    They can destroy us in an instant. They own a massive amount of our debt. Which means they own us. For many years, Chinese hardliners have wanted to destroy our currency, which they can do, but only by destroying their own holdings of our bonds. But ... their government a LARGE positive asset value (which is how they can own so much of our debt.)

    I haven;t seen an update in a few years, but their government's reserves are so high they could wipe out their US debt holdings and destroy the dollar. This would eliminate their only trade competitor and they'd STILL have positive reserves.

    The risks have been too high in the word community, but what if they see Trump as an even bigger threat to them? And much of that world community agrees.

  • TLBD||

    Jesus, Hihn, China owns like 5.5% of our debt. Yes, hurt, no, not destroy.

    I'm not sure why liars insist on lying. What is it that makes assholes like you tick?

  • TLBD||

    Also, that ignores every other economic factor. It would be suicide for CHINA to unload all of our debt. US debt, being a highly sought after commodity, would drop, sure, but would be gobbled up pretty quickly.

  • Michael Hihn||

    If you think they would "wipe out" their holding of US debt by "unloading it" --- who balances your check book?. Or ties your shoes?

    And you TOTALLY FUCKED UP the main economic factor

    Here.

    Here

    And Here.

    You also bray that I'm a "commie" -- which MAY be even crazier. This is the web archive of my published political writing. Check anything on taxes, health care, and don't miss New Federalism.

    Pro-Tip:
    As a general rule, if you are so compelled to be a bully and a stalker ... 4 assaults in only 15 minutes ...it's GENERALLY unwise to make a flippin' FOOL yourself EVERY time.

    Just sayin'

  • Sevo||

    You stupid shit, you just linked, three times, to the article starting this exact thread!
    Are you really that fucking stupid, or is this some sort of joke?

  • Chipper Morning Baculum||

    Sevo, you really have to ask at this point? Michael's short term memory ain't what it used to be in the 19th century.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Ready?

    You stupid shit

    (smirk)

    you just linked, three times, to the article starting this exact thread!

    Three links to ...
    MY comment #7235420
    MY comment #7235423
    MY comment #7235429
    KEN SCHULTZ started this thread.with #7235303

    I count four lies in only 15 words!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Ready?

    Michael's short term memory ain't what it used to be in the 19th century.

    I remember all three links, plus the thread
    MY comment #7235420
    MY comment #7235423
    MY comment #7235429
    KEN SCHULTZ started this thread.with #7235303

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Sevo||

    And, as a fucking ignoramus, you wouldn't know or care that none of your links led to those.
    Fuck off, ignoramus.

  • Michael Hihn||

    "A man with no enemies is a man with no character."
    — Paul Newman

  • Michael Hihn||

    Jesus, Hihn. China owns like 5.5% of our debt
    "Foreign governments hold about 46% of all U.S. debt held by the public, more than $4.5 trillion. According to the Treasury, the largest foreign holder of U.S. debt is China, which owns more than $1.24 trillion in bills, notes, and bonds or about 30% of the over $4 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries."

    46% of our debt X 30% by China = 13.8% of our debt owned by China.

    What is it that makes assholes like you tick?

    Opportunities like this

    13.8% reality - 5.5% bullshit = 8.3% TLDB's Bullshit Factor

    8.3% / 5.5% = 151% TLDB's Bullsihit Ratio

    Anything else?

    I'm not sure why liars insist on lying.

    I've been told it's because you have a tiny dick, according to your Mom, the 3rd or 4th time we were in a motel.together,

  • TLBD||

    Hilarious. Maybe you're not a lying asshole, you're just an epic fucking idiot. Doesn't make much difference to me.

    You moved the goalposts to publicly held debt, but even so, your numbers are STILL way the fuck off. And China still can't "destroy" us, you fucking moron. What happens to China if they sell of our debt? They're fucked. They can't exchange, they reduce the value of their currency, and they would put themselves in a situation where we could easily pile on and crush them.

    Total US Debt: ~21 Trillion

    Total US Public Debt: ~ 6 Trillion

    China owns: 1.168 (January 2018)

    So the percentage of total debt is: 5.5%

    The percentage of public debt is: 7.8%

    What is the Hihn bullshit ratio for all of that?

  • TLBD||

    Correction: US Intra-governmental Debt is ~6 Trillion, so public debt is 15 Trillion.

  • Michael Hihn||

    I could have posted a link, but I figured you MIGHT make a fool of yourself a FIFTH time!.

    That was updated two days ago. All linked to several original sources,

    What happens to China if they sell of our debt?

    Who said sell it?

    you fucking moron

    (lol)

    For those keeping score, that's five unprovoked assaults, and 7 blunders.
    So far?

    P.S. (same source)

    To put its ownership of U.S. debt in perspective, China's holding of $1.24 trillion is even larger than the amount owned by American households. U.S. citizens hold only about $959 billion in U.S. debt, according to the Federal Reserve.
  • TLBD||

    Your link doesn't work, Hihn. Either way, the national debt, publicly held debt and debt held by China are NOT in dispute, other than in your stupid mind. Also, math is not in dispute.

    What are they going to do other than sell it? Please tell, this should be rich.

  • Michael Hihn||

    What are they going to do other than sell it?

    Thank you for admitting you lied about what I said. And a wacky one at that

    Are you done with the stalking and unprovoked assaults?
    For now, at least?

  • Michael Hihn||

  • TLBD||

    *reads article*

    *shakes head*

    Fuck off, Hihn. Go troll someone else.

  • Sevo||

    Michael Hihn|4.20.18 @ 10:44PM|#
    "Corrected link, China share of debt"
    Which still supports none of you imbecilic fantasies.
    Do you ever have a point, other than it takes you three tries to link a story which proves you wrong?

  • MatthewSlyfield||

    You apparently don't read your own sources all that well.

    Per that link, 32% of the US national debt is held by various government programs and 68% is public.

    "In total, China owns about 10% of publicly held U.S. debt."

    Publicly held debt is 68% of the total debt. 10% of 68% is 6.8%

    6.8% is a lot closer to the 5.5% claimed by TLBD than it is to the 13.8% you claimed.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Damn. I was baiting him and caught you.

    The ISSUE is whether China holds enough of our debt to destroy our economy (the $)

    He says NO, because 5.5%. But NEVER why, and I gave him MANY openings.

    The main reason given that China cannot, is they'd destroy their own economy. FINE!
    Uhhh, no. WHY would destroying our economy destroy theirs? Because, they say, we're their largest export market. NOW do you see it?

    We're also their largest trade competitor, by far. What did I say? " This would eliminate their only trade competitor. See it, NOW?

    In ANY competition ... what happens if your largest competitor disappears. Would Ford be destroyed .... because Toyota disappeared? I closed: "The risks have been too high … but what if they see Trump as an even bigger threat to them? "

    "WHAT IF" IS A QUESTION. I have no idea what level of risk would be a tipping point for China. But THAT risk is controlled by Trump ... who is WILDLY out of control. The PHONY "deal maker" has already INITIATED A TRADE WAR .... with actual tariffs, not even threats ... and NO negotiations (deal-making) ....as with everything he touches

    He NEVER negotiates, ALWAYS bullies and threats, trusting his is power will prevail – exactly how so many family business owners operate. They surround themselves with loyal, subservient lackeys (look familiar?)

  • Sevo||

    Michael Hihn|4.21.18 @ 12:21PM|#
    "Damn. I was baiting him and caught you."

    Of COURSE you were, you slimy piece of shit.
    Do you think anyone here (outside of maybe Tony) is going to swallow that Jon Stewart 'called on bullshit' crap.
    Fuck off, ignoramus.

  • Michael Hihn||

    "A man with no enemies is a man with no character."
    — Paul Newman

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Non sequitur. That quote is the converse of what you are trying to argue (that having enemies implies character), and the converse of a statement does not necessarily have the same truth value as the original statement.

  • Get To Da Chippah||

    They can destroy us in an instant.

    They just haven't done so because those militaristic communists are just too peaceable. Yup yup.

  • TLBD||

    Hihn is a lying asshole. Full stop.

  • TLBD||

    Pro-tip, Hihn:

    Commies are better off masquerading as Republicans than they are libertarians. Your bullshit is transparent.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Hihn is a lying asshole. Full stop.

    For a YUGE laugh ... see that jammed up TLBD's sorry ass here. Fuller stop.

    Cyberbullying The act of bullying someone through electronic means (as by posting mean or threatening messages about the person online)

    Stalker A person who harasses or persecutes someone with unwanted and obsessive attention

    psychopath
    1. A person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.
    2. The Authoritarian Left
    3. The Authoritarian Right

    Left - Right = Zero

  • Michael Hihn||

    TLBD|4.20.18 @ 9:13PM|#
    Pro-tip, Hihn:

    (sneer)

    Commies are better off masquerading as Republicans than they are libertarians. Your bullshit is transparent

    Your bullshit is JAMMED up your sorry ass here,

    That's FOUR UNPROVOKED ASSAULTS in 15 minutes.
    So far??

  • TLBD||

    Not sure why you think I care if you believe me to be a bully.

    Hint: I don't.

    You're still an asshole and a liar. Fuck off.

  • Sevo||

    "You're still an asshole and a liar. Fuck off."
    You left out "ignoramus".

  • TLBD||

    I left out many things. :)

  • Michael Hihn||

    Not sure why you think I care if you believe me to be a bully.

    Don't flatter yourself, LIAR
    I DON'T THINK YOU CARE ABOUT ANYTHING.

    You're still an asshole and liar

    Immediately after YOU lied!
    Again! (sneer)

    (Posted in defense of ANOTHER unprovoked assault, starting with this:.

    I'm not sure why liars insist on lying. What is it that makes assholes like you tick?

    Followed by SIXTEEN more assaults, followed by total humiliation!

  • Sevo||

    "Cyberbullying"

    Oh, LOOK! Mike plays the victim card!
    How
    ,
    .
    .
    pathetic.

  • Michael Hihn||

    "Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you."
    Matthew 5:11-12, King James Version

    "Viel feind, viel ehr" (Translation: many enemies, much honour)
    Georg von Frundsberg

  • Sevo||

    "They can destroy us in an instant. They own a massive amount of our debt. Which means they own us."
    Chicken Little, please report to Farmer Brown; he'd like dinner.
    Certain banks own "massive amounts" of my debt, and the only way they can "destroy" me is to violate the terms of the contract.
    I used to think you were mis-guided; now I know you're a fucking imbecile.

  • TLBD||

    https://chinapower.csis.org/us-debt/

    Explains quite nicely why Hihn is retarded.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Same fallacy. That selling it is a threat.

  • Sevo||

    "Same fallacy. That selling it is a threat."
    Try that in English. Maybe someone will be fooled.

  • No Longer Amused||

    At some point someone must have explained to them that there were limits on the amount of crazy that would be put up with.

  • Ken Shultz||

    Either that our own Francisco d'Anconia's decade long strategy of holding his breath until North Korea started to believe in the NAP is finally paying off.

  • Diane Reynolds (Paul.)||

    North Korea Claims It Will Suspend Its Nuclear Weapon and Missile Tests
    With a meeting between North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un and President Trump on the horizon, North Korean state media also vows the nation will close its current active nuke test site.

    Huh, this doesn't even compute.

  • Michael Hihn||

    If both Korea's unite, they remove a major threat to both of them. Trump.
    Kim has wanted our troops out of the South for any deal, but with a peace treaty how can we justify keeping troops these. I bet that Rand Paul and a few others are primed and ready for the best shot we've had in decades for bringing troops home.

  • Sevo||

    Michael Hihn|4.20.18 @ 8:56PM|#
    "If both Korea's unite, they remove a major threat to both of them. Trump."
    Strangely, the SK folks don't see him as a "threat"; imbecilic TDS victims do.
    It doesn't take a lot of searching to find the SK folks really don't have a lot of interest in 'reunification'. They saw the mess the commies left in E. Germany, and the costs to W. Germany to clean it up.
    Do a search (if you are capable of doing so) regarding "south korean hopes for reunification". Even a cave man can do it, so maybe your can!

  • Michael Hihn||

    Strangely, the SK folks don't see him as a "threat"; imbecilic TDS victims do.

    Trumptard is unaware that Trump wanted to launch a military strike on North Korea,, until his genrals calmed him down. ... North Korea would retaliate against our own troops in, uhhh, South Korea! ... likely killing as many as a million South Koreans ... which does make our undisciplined President a threat to the South ..... to anyone else (if they exist) who does not know the difference between a Peace Treaty and Reunification!!

    (My tone and boldface in defense of yet another unprovoked assault on this libertarian, by a authoritarian stalker)

  • Sevo||

    "Trumptard is unaware that Trump wanted to launch a military strike on North Korea,, until his genrals calmed him down.

    Gullible asshole believes anything.

  • Michael Hihn||

    So voted Trump

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Like the time piggy's dad "ended" the nuke program in return for fuel oil, a heavy water reactor, and a visit from the US Secy of State... and then a few years later tested his first nuke.

    So I guess Trump can boast that he is worth more than Madeline Albright, since he didn't have to add any extras to get a false promise from the Norks. #MakeAmericaGullibleAgain

  • Sevo||

    Emotional Opposition Animal|4.20.18 @ 8:18PM|#
    "Like the time piggy's dad "ended" the nuke program in return for fuel oil, a heavy water reactor, and a visit from the US Secy of State... and then a few years later tested his first nuke.
    So I guess Trump can boast that he is worth more than Madeline Albright, since he didn't have to add any extras to get a false promise from the Norks. #MakeAmericaGullibleAgain"

    TDS victim hypothesizes his fantasy!
    How
    .
    .
    .
    pathetic.
    Get back to us when you're dealing with something other than the voices in your head.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Fallacious on multiple levels: you're attempting to use ad hominem attack to avoid dealing with the argument, and to top it off your ad hominem attempt is based on a falsehood.

  • Harvard||

    I like this Trump guy. Like many of the things he does and the results he gets. Most of all I like the amusement he brings when he wads the unhinged libs, Old Beaner and the rest of the Bilderburgs pantaloons. Unless,of course, the Norks and the Chicoms have become more conciliatory because they're just good guys at heart.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    Words aren't results. If you don't understand that you're just as gullible as Trump.

  • Sevo||

    "Words aren't results."

    You're right. And more than willing to ignore the results:
    As of 12/31/17
    1) DeVos
    2) Gorsuch
    3) Ajit Pai, end net price fixing
    4) Major reduction in the growth of regulations "By one key measure of regulatory growth -- the page count of the Federal Register, which lists all new rules -- Trump reduced regulation by almost 50 percent in 2017.
    5) Dow +30%
    6) Unemployment at 4.1%
    7) The US Manufacturing Index soared to a 33 year high in this period which were the best numbers since 1983 under President Reagan.
    8) Got repeal of the national medical insurance mandate.
    9) Withdrawal from Paris climate agreement.
    10) Still making lefties steppin and fetchin like their pants is on fire and their axxs catchin'
    11)Not sure about the tax reform; any "reform" that leaves me subisdizing Musk's customers is not what I hoped for. Let Musk run a company for once.
    12) In the waning days of 2017, the Trump administration pulled its support for the $13 billion Hudson Tunnel project.
    13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan.

  • Michael Hihn||

    13) More than 16,000 jobs have been cut from the federal leviathan.

    14) Campaigned on paying off the entire federal debt in 8 years.
    15) But increased deficits by over $3 trillion (so far)!
    16) BRAGS his goobers are puppets dancing on a string!

    " The polls, they say I have the most loyal people. Did you ever see that? Where I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose any voters, okay? It's like incredible."
    Donald J. Trump, Sioux City Iowa, 1/1/2016

    Sevo is PROUD to be shit upon by Herr Donald!!

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    I was specifically talking about the Nork declaration, which is just words and is being treated as a result for some reason.

    4: 50% reduction in GROWTH of regulation, at best.

    5-6: So now unemployment and the Dow are meaningful measures of presidential policies, effective 1/20/2017 apparently. I'm no fan of Obama, but if you use the same metrics on his presidency, he blows Trump out of the water. And with a crash probably coming soon, not sure you want to hang those albatrosses on Trump's neck.

    8: Which is going to kill the health insurance industry and force us into single payer. Failing to get the whole of BO-care repealed is a massive failure.

    9: Paris is very likely to be reinstated by the Dem who takes the presidency in 2021, and since the agreement claims to have a five year notice provision, that means there would be no interruption.

  • Michael Hihn||

    Matt Welch last month praised the possibilities inherent in Trump's controversial decision to meet with Kim Jong Un, which at least as it looks this afternoon is bearing good fruit.

    YES! After all these decades with only an armistice, no peace treaty. The two Koreas will go THIS far, to achieve their newly shared goal. Get that farking Trump idiot out of our affairs!

    Kim gave up on demanding US troop withdrawal. Something Kim saw. With a peace treaty, how can we still keep troops there? The Trumptards will claim credit, as they always do. But what Kim saw was ....
    Rand Paul.can now SHAME our troops outa there.

  • Last of the Shitlords||

    You are not Hihn. So just stop. I'm embarrassed for you.

  • Michael Hihn||

    And YOU are indeed a PROUD shitlord!

  • Echospinner||

    I have no idea what people are talking about.

    All Kim said was he was suspending tests and launches and that he doesn't need them anymore. He is closing, for now the test facility which is not all that big a deal. Not reactors, existing launch facilities r&d, or weapons. None of that stops him from building more bombs and improving what he has.

    Not only that but when has N Korea ever kept its word?

    He has enough already to keep his nuclear threat very real.

    Koreans know what an ambush is and how to set one up. They have been doing this for decades.

  • Sevo||

    I'll agree that any "agreement" with NK is not really worth ink and paper; NK makes Stalinist USSR look like the model of credibility.
    But I would not credit them with skill at 5D chess; these are common thugs who have lucked into poer.

  • Echospinner||

    Do not underestimate them. These thugs have managed to build nuclear weapons and long range missiles. They have avoided war since the cease fire and built a massive military despite being under sanctions and an international pariah.

    Koreans are a very old and proud culture. To them we are the savages.

    If you look at it from their perspective it was their brilliant military accomplishment which is bringing the president of the most powerful nation on earth to the table, not the other way around.

    Sure we should talk but the scorpion is still a scorpion.

  • Sevo||

    Echospinner|4.21.18 @ 12:04AM|#
    "Do not underestimate them."

    They are so clever, they have starved to death at least 10% of the population.
    Other than arm-waving, did you have a point?

  • Echospinner||

    Did you have a question?

  • Sevo||

    Yes, and I see you can't read.

  • soldiermedic76||

    Their massive army is a paper tiger. Most troops have no ammu nition and little training. Their air Force and navy are jokes, most pilots get little to no flight time and the majority of the aircraft are obsolete junk. Armor too is mostly obsolete and a good portion of their small arms are WWII/Korean war surplus. Their artillery is also the same vintage. And most troops haven't been paid and are not regularly fed either.

  • Sevo||

    "Their massive army is a paper tiger. Most troops have no ammu nition and little training. Their air Force and navy are jokes, most pilots get little to no flight time and the majority of the aircraft are obsolete junk. Armor too is mostly obsolete and a good portion of their small arms are WWII/Korean war surplus. Their artillery is also the same vintage. And most troops haven't been paid and are not regularly fed either."

    Everything I've read supports this (got any suggested reading matter, s76?), and most of the army is involved in either construction efforts to keep stuff from falling down, working in the fields in the hopes of growing something to eat, or strong-arming beggars out of the platz.
    If and when civilization gets a view of NK, I'm guessing it will be a real revelation regarding how commies run a place.
    BTW, I see commie-kid hasn't been around. Did they repossess his computer for non-payment?

  • soldiermedic76||

    We are the mighty, a Facebook group for veterans tends to run quite a few articles on the real "threat" of the North Korean military. The National Interest also does decent defense reporting. To tell the truth I can't remember everything I have read on the subject, but it is not flattering for the NorK military (also the Chinese military bis not really well trained or equipped outside a few elite units).

  • Ken Shultz||

    "All Kim said was he was suspending tests and launches and that he doesn't need them anymore. He is closing, for now the test facility which is not all that big a deal."

    You make suspending his nuclear weapons program and dropping his demands that the U.S. withdraw from South Korea as a prerequisite for talks almost sound like it's a bad thing. Is announcing that he's willing to discuss denuclearization a bad thing?

    It isn't a bad thing. It's a new thing.

  • Sevo||

    Books worth reading:
    "North Korea Confidential", Tudor and Pearson, 2015. If anyone had a suggestion for a better overview, please post it.
    "North Korea, State of Pranoia", Paul French, 2015. Emphasis on bogus econ desires and claims.
    "North of the DMZ", the old (mostly reliable) Andrei Lankov. Trying to deal with reality while still hoping a commie state might succeed.
    "Marching though Suffering; loss and survival in North Korea", Sandra Fahy. Very strange book, trying to square post-modern 'thought" with the reality of mass starvation, but the reality does leak through.
    The "defector" books are of mixed quality and honesty, but even given some hyperbole, they are all reflect the horror of existence in NK, and the horror of escaping.

  • PTripp||

    Yep. Mike Pompeo is totally unqualified because he's a religious, war mongering patriot.

    Just ignore that he did more over Easter weekend to improve the Korean situation than anyone else in decades. Democrats and their propaganda machine will try to spin it as a disaster. Granted, President Trump's unorthodox style of diplomacy laid the groundwork, but Pompeo met with Kim.

  • soldiermedic76||

    It has also been rumored that the Saudis may be willing to openly embrace Isreal (they have for some time quietly, because of a shared enemy in Iran). At least some credit must go to Jared Kushner if that happens.

  • Hank Phillips||

    Didn't Ribbentropp meet with Molotov?

  • Trigger Warning||

    Sure, until they get what they want. We must have hit one of that chubby brute's cash flows pretty hard.

  • Hank Phillips||

    FREEZE, AND SURRENDER! How delightful to have the shoe on the other foot for a change...

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  • Ken Shultz||

    I'm seeing a newly emerging meme, where people feel like they have to shit on denuclearization talks with North Korea if they don't like Trump. It seems to be all over the place right now.

    I assure you, it'll still be okay to be against Trump--even if he succeeds in shutting down North Korea's nuclear program through peaceful negotiations. There's no need to root for the North Koreans--like you're Jane Fonda posing on a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun. Can't you just oppose Trump for other reasons?

    Hoping that the president is successful against our enemies through peaceful negotiations is something all reasonable Americans should hope for. Those who hope Trump fails at this are a liability to their political causes, whatever they are.

  • Emotional Opposition Animal||

    I shit on the denuke talks with NK because they are pointless. Any agreement that comes out of said talks will be worth less than used toilet paper, just like the Norks have ignored previous denuke agreements.

    And oh yeah, I shit on the Iran nuke deal too. So stuff your leftist-style accusations of partisan motivation up your rear.

  • Berha123||

  • vek||

    I'm going to laugh so hard if Trumps strong arm tactics all end up working. Sissies in the USA often forget that the rest of the world isn't a bunch of effeminate, politically correct man-boys. Strength and aggression have always been useful tools. They don't always work, but often they do. Trump seems JUST crazy enough that he might actually just say "Fuck it, invade that shithole country and kill that bastard Kim!" That's a lot more incentive to play ball than empty threats from a wimp like Obama.

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